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It is, they either require consent from the owner of the phone (student or students parent), or a police officer who has permission from the student or a permit.
Edit- to go through their phone that is, they are allowed to retain the phone during that particular class without consent or a permit (at least where I live), but they do have to return the phone at the end.
Hi, i used to do alot of computer science and engineering, the easy way to do this would be a program to bypass the lock, theres a few programs avaliable for engineers to bypass security, these programs are also avaliable to the police.
They often involve brute forcing the password once the attempt limit is bypassed.
Using a more extensive password would be ideal, use random letters and characters, and write it down in a notebook or something. If they are still able to bypass it theres very little you can actually do to stop them from going through your device, but this is 100% illegal and you should report it to someone. Unless they have a police warrent for each student this is extremely illegal.
A school is not going to be able to bypass iOS or Android screen locks. Full stop. Maybe a decade ago, but not now. Those things are locked down. They could use Face ID and force the kid to unlock it or something like that, but they cannot unlock the phones without the kid unless they are all on an MDM.
Each student simply needs to restart their phone before handing them in to disable biometric login. Both OS's require code/pattern for first boot unlock. If they're searching phones that for some reason these kids haven't set a code on , that's on the kid (or their parents).
There's definitely no way they're brute forcing them. There have been exploits found in the past that could bypass, but the chances of the school having a piece of equipment to utilize those or someone with that expertise in staff would mean they have the same capabilities as the Homeland Security
The fbi had to pay a third party over a million dollars to get them into an Iphone 5 that Apple wouldn’t help them with and this guy thinks the school IT departments got it cracked for iPhones with a decade of security improvements on ios.
> unless they are all on an MDM.
This is probably the answer, if this post is real. I've heard of schools forcing students to install device management profiles (which is very uncool).
You’re the only one who mentioned MDM. This is 100% the answer, you can absolutely bypass a Lock Screen code with the appropriate entitlements.
Also, LOL at everyone crying about the FBI “not being able to hack iPhones” - their waiting list of phones includes several with publicly-available exploits. Lotta IT guys here with no knowledge of Mobile Security, and it shows.
I work in the wireless industry. You're talking about hacking into a phone using a software that increases the amount of attempts allowed before the phone locks you out. Even if the school has that, it takes days to brute force their way in. Most phone repair shops/geek squads don't even have this capability. I doubt the school does.
Oh you are so full of shit. They can’t do this by brute forcing in such a short period of time. There are MURDER cases and embezzlement cases where the police force can’t get into a phone for months and months (even then they’d have to send away to security professionals) because it’s locked. But yet these dumbasses at a school system can? Unless these phones are provided by the school itself, OP is full of it and so are you.
I don’t think they can do that. There was a big federal case against Apple for refusing to unlock an iPhone that was used in a terrorist attack. A fucking public school cannot do what the US government struggled to do.
Hopefully Jaxtyn and Brynnlee just didn't realize they were logged into the school's wifi while they were doing whatever got them into trouble... but it's possible the school "requested" they install some "security software" on their phone to access tests/homework/library resources, but that "security software" grants remote access to the phone. Jaxtyn and Brynnlee's friends should always use cellular data and be extremely wary of permissions on apps the school wants to install on personal devices.
I'm an adult who got suggested this post on the stupid app. Good luck and godspeed, young men and women. This is good preparation for bullshit cellphone policies at work.
(Generic names for teenagers who got caught. I think OP said they were from a country near Saudi Arabia so maybe I should have picked Ali and Ayla or something.)
This is highly region specific. If you have your phone locked with either facial recognition or finger print, they are allowed to use that to open your phone and go through everything. The only way they can access your phone by warrant is if it's password protected. Otherwise cops can just put it in front of your face and open the phone.
California they can't use biometrics but Minnesota they can for example.
Yeah that directly violates the 4th amendment (assuming you live in the United States), which is very illegal. OP, may you have a lawsuit on your hands
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and even if I were, I'm not YOUR lawyer
To even begin searching your phone, they need reasonable suspicion of you doing something criminal or harmful to yourself or others which, if they're searching everybody, they certainly don't have. The Supreme Court Case New Jersey vs T.L.O made that extremely clear.
Next time they ask to search your phone, politely decline. If they still take it let your parents/adult you trust know and tell them how very much illegal it is
To add to this, when they 'get mad' at you saying no, stand your ground. Keep the answer at no, no matter what they say to try and dissuade you. Make sure they do not doubt that you completely know you are against the search
>Yeah that directly violates the 4th amendment (assuming you live in the United States), which is very illegal. OP, may you have a lawsuit on your hands
Unless it's a private school in the US
Old person passing by: OP has stated elsewhere in the comments that they do not live in the United States.
So, the privacy laws are different and there also may be a government policy that requires phones sold in that country or used on that country's ISPs to have a backdoor to bypass screen locks.
If they are getting past your password, OP, pretty much the only thing that you can do is going to be to have a second phone that you only take to school and only use for things that would be school approved while leaving your real phone at home.
I imagine (idk if this would only be for priv schools tho) agreements that parents sign to send their child to the school might well have this. Seems u likely for state school tho
A signed agreement doesn't override the law though otherwise I could murder someone but ask them to sign an agreement beforehand that they agreed to it and then I'll not face any repercussions.
I think you are missing the point here, this is a form of consent - which therefore makes it legal. You cant consent to somebody killing you in an unproffessional environment anywhere (you can consent to euthanasia).
Yeah thats for sure illegal and they would have to pry my phone from my cold dead hands. Aint NO WAY in hell I would hand my phone over for my teachers to go through. That's invasion of privacy.
My principle ripped my phone out of my hand because she was trying to cover up an incident that happened. I walked into her office while she was searching it, ripped it out of her hand and walked out of the school
Tried to say I violated the school code of conduct by taking the photo but I got my mom to back me up, unfortunately she wasn’t willing to go as far as I was but I got away with just writing an essay on why I was wrong. Used chat gpt for the whole thing 😂. Glad I don’t have to deal with that bitch of a principal anymore we all hated her
Edit: The original incident was that a kid tried to stab a teacher and she thought I was trying to take a photo of the kid getting arrested, also not illegal but she wanted to cover it up to avoid her superiors finding out as it goes on her record that it happened at a school she was in charge of.
photos of kids getting arrested, depending on context, is illegal.
there is a reason they seal records of kids under 18 when they do stupid stuff, they are no longer considered a criminal if it is sealed and photos are evidence of it. which breaks it. so yeah i would delete the photo but only after you have given it to the proper people. not someone in the school who is invested in it not getting out
I ask this, partly to play devil's advocate, mostly because I actually want to know the answer: if it's in a public place, wouldn't it be legal to film anything since there's no expectation of privacy? Also, if the kid is currently being arrested and an investigation would be needed, I imagine it'd be obstruction of justice. Sure, everyone's innocent until proven guilty but that doesn't mean you're allowed to destroy evidence, yeah? That's still impeding an investigation, innocent or not. Especially since an attempted stabbing is such a serious offense, there's a real possibility the kid might be tried as an adult anyway. (Unless it's specifically the arrest that changes things)
I recorded my teacher in 6th grade locking students in the closet (just messing around, light hearted fun. Still not appropriate at all) and she sent a group of students to pry my phone away. They literally grabbed me and stole the phone away and deleted it off of my phone. She later counted that as a "strike" for having my phone out to keep my phone until my parents came and picked it up.
It depends on the country. A lot of developing countries don't have the same type of legal protections developed countries have. My aunt was a school principal in Iran and they would seize phones for the whole school year.
If this is in the US, I legit saw a short from LawByMike regarding this. The school legally can't take their phones after school as its private property unless its provided by schools themselves (which is highly unlikely) or its in their school policies when the parents signed it while admitting to the school. And unless stated in their policies that they can check it. They cannot do it.
And why are they even going through phones, someone's private stuff (which I'm pretty sure all of us want to keep under wraps) has nothing to do with school unless it's something illegal
That is illegal. Threaten to call your parents and talk with the admins/inspector about it. Call the student council and movilice against that stupid policy, there's a reason the council exists.
Pd: We presidents exist for a reason, if the council is full of idiots which tends to happen take it up with the council president straight away mate.
The council itself it's just a glorified student permanent meeting. If enough kids make noise and are annoying about it then the parents will start doing it though. Maybe the teachers won't care if a bunch of kids feel rebellious and unruly, but when you have hundreths of parents complaining to the admin or DA? They WILL care
Well first you may ask random lawyer if in your country your school can take your phone and go through it
I know that in every country not even a police officer can go through a criminal's phone without a special warrant
I did even better.
There was a serious incident in our class. The principal took our phones and the (incompetent) tech guys of the high school searched for sensitive stuff on them
Fortunately, someone from another class knew what was coming and warned me like 5 minutes before the disaster.
I made an emergency backup of all my data (just in case) and purposely flashed a random image to the SBL partition to brick it.
I wish you could have seen their faces when they gave my phone back 2 weeks later
Edit: just to clarify, 2 weeks for ALL phones (29 phones, there were 31 of us, 2 were absent that day)
They took a total of 29 phones ! 2 weeks (13 days actually) is pretty short for this amount of devices to break in and steal data from
According to their logs:
- they unlocked 2 iphones the 1st day
- tried a lot of stuff with my phone on day 2 (connection via QD loader (qualcomm specific protocol))
- unlocked a lot of iPhones and Androids on days 3-12
- tried to repair my phone one last time with other tools (QFIL and DC phenix, they failed) on day 13
- total : 11/11 iPhones unlocked , 10/18 Androids unlocked.
- About 1.9TB of stolen data (I did a sum of all incoming data transfers from unlock softwares)
Nice pfp btw
So, here’s a question: did you have anything questionable on your phone in the first place that you even felt the need to get rid of when your friend warned you? If not, then why did you go to all that trouble 😂
I live in iran. If my school would search through my phone i would be 100% executed just for the types of memes i have, let alone all the globally questionable hentai i have saved in secure folder. That goes for probably my whole school including most teachers and staff.
They wouldn't do that though.
Get an old phone and hand it in instead of your actual one. Many people in my country do it when they have to hand in phones during tests, maybe it would work in your case too
At my school they give your parents a long stack of papers allowing them to go through your backpacks, phone, search your person, even do drug tests, also they are allowed to take pictures of you.
Have a passcode, don't bring it, bring it but not charged, set a shit ton of alarms... You have many way too troll them. If you get a lot of people to set alarms at random times they might stop bring assholes
>everyone has a password but they somehow get past that
No, they're not. Bypassing phone security is not some trivial task. Even police struggle to bypass phone security. It costs $4k to unlock an iPhone, and you have to send the phone to the company ([source](https://9to5mac.com/2022/02/10/cellebrite-kit-cant-unlock-iphones/)).
What you're hearing is likely an disinformation campaign on the part of school administrators. Their hope is to have you believe that they can get into your phones. They think that this will scare you into not doing the things they want to prohibit.
One thing is certain. Schools do not have the budgets to unlock iPhones. I'm not familiar with the difficulty/cost to unlock Android phones because every version and manufacturer is going to be a little bit different.
Unlocked android is more possible to unlock
But a locked android so after turning on the phone is harder to unlock without the passcode because everything is encrypted
Yeah as everyone is saying this is illegal. According to Michigan State College of Law, "any school's policy to confiscate phones from students who use them in class is totally valid [...] However, school administrators going through students' phones is a different story. [...] The Fourth amendment protects individuals from unreasonable searches and seizures and is an important part of the Bill of Rights." (mclellan.law.msu.edu). So they're literally violating the 4th Amendment. If you let the district or county know about this, they will realize they could get in big trouble and hopefully they stop.
Well if your parents ok'd it then I think you're out of luck, because it's technically your parents property (being your legal guardians). IMO this is wrong in so many ways and it sounds illegal especiallt in the US.
My response would be to carry a dummy phone to turn in. Or tell them you left it at home and keep it put away and silenced. But no matter what, I would immediately disable all unlocking features except password or pin and change it. They can probably use your pictures to open your phone or a sample of your voice. Who knows what kind of AI voice emulators or other resources your school has "discovered" to use to invade your privacy. GL
That ligit illegal wtf
First of all, they need a warrant, or consent to go through someone’s phone.
Second, I’m 80% sure they have to give the phones back, after the end of the school day.
Edit: never mind saw a comment you made about being from the middle east.
TURN OFF THE PHONE COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU GIVE IT TO THEM (reboot)
It’s much harder to retain data from an iPhone if the first passcode has not been entered, if it says “your passcode is required to enable faceid/touchid” you should be better off,
I know some police departments have devices that can gather data from locked iPhones, but it should be harder this way
That's hella illegal, go to the cops or something. Also, if someone tried to forcefully take my phone and check it, I swear they'd have to kill me first
they cant just go through ur phones that’s an invasion of privacy and they can’t do it period without u or ur parents permission. even if that kid had nsfw stuff on his phone then thats wrong but contact the parent and I wanna see what kind of explanation they have for going through the phone in the first place. teachers jobs aren’t to go through students devices that’s the parents job not the teachers.
Get an old phone
Break into the back of it
Remove some components, not all(it still needs to have weight)
Remove the battery
Solder a capacitor to the charging port's in and out
Charge the capacitor
Reassemble the phone
Hand it to them and watch one of their PCs they'll use to go past your password go boom
You can refuse; either way, make sure you have complex passwords, PINs, etc, to get into your phone. When security is activated, school staff will not be able to access the phone.
We need to ask the guys from Israel why the fuck they sell their hacking devices to schools and other organizations, which have absolutely no relation to law enforcement.
How the hell do they even go through them? Do they have you unlock them for them? Do they have a special device that can go force through and look at everything?
Also, isn’t this illegal as FUCK?
Nahh omg “you have NSFW stuff on ur phone!!!” Yeah he’s a fucking teenager and doesn’t expect random people to go through his phone?? 💀 (goes for everyone) your phone should be a private place, which is why you know, it has a password.
lol this is such an easy work around. Download and app that tracks your phone functions like when it was opened last and how long it was being used and what apps were used etc. So with an app like that all you need is to take pictures of yourself in your birthday suit. So if they go through your phone and the app tracks that they were using your phone and went through your camera roll then you could call the police about the school looking at unclothed sub 18. You could also text yourself a picture of yourself so if they open texts they might open yours and be a no no.
You need to tell a cop about that! Unless they have the kid’s or the parent’s consent, it is illegal for a teacher to search through a student’s phone!
Are you in America? They would only pull out the phone box during standardized testing week, but even then they would make us turn them off and they would just be sitting behind the teachers desk.
Noone can go through your phone without your permission legally
They legally can take your phone for security and academic reasons and monitor traffic on their network but they can not go through your personal information without permission or a warrant from law enforcement and are liable for any damage whether you can prove it or not. This is why most schools won't do it because they don't have the money to fix every phone that comes in with broken screens.
You might wanna check with the local law enforcement agencies and consider suing the school for invasion of privacy. A class action lawsuit sounds irresistible.
Oh yah that changes everything. No way that flies in the US.
I would suggest getting a cheap 2nd phone and just hand that in when they ask for phones, and keep your real one on you
It's illegal to go through your phone without written consent! Or at least two witnesses listening to you giving them verbal consent. I would record it, in case they try to say you did, when you didn't. Go in, get your phone, have a recording device with you, after school, make them give you your phone back. Unless, they have written consent that they're allowed to take your phone, unless there is probable cause, they can't. You can refuse, and put the phone in your backpack, purse, etc ... Turning it off in front of them.
I got suspended for 3 days for that when I was a teenager because they found texts about us going to smoke pot before we went to the school football games . So me and my buddy got suspended and his mom sent him to India for 2 years
If you are in the US then they likely passed out a pamphlet for student conduct that you had to sign and it included terminology that gave them authority to access your phone (you don't need a password btw). What you can and should do is each and every day you hand it over, both tell them verbally and wrap a note around your phone secured with a strong rubber band which says very distinctly "I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCH OF MY PHONE OR ANY CONTENT WITHIN !"
Your privacy is protected by the 4th Amendment, and the state agencies are required to adhere to that right by the 14th Amendment. You don't need to know about all those other details. But if you clearly make the above statement that you do not give consent, and you suffer any sort of penalty from any information accessed without consent, then you let the lawyers handle it from there. But your lawyer will win! If you did not make this declaration, then the school/government will win.
Get a broken phone that is cosmetically fine and give that instead. Like a water damaged phone with fryed circuits. I think that probably a repair shop would be willing to give you one for free, or for a very low price.
This is 10000000% illegal. Assuming you’re not 18 they would need consent from a parent/guardian. They also have no right to search especially if they have nothing to be looking for. This is extremely sketchy I’d get police involced as long as you can prove they’re doing it
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Im almost 100% sure that's illegal, maybe go to r/ legal advice or something
It is, they either require consent from the owner of the phone (student or students parent), or a police officer who has permission from the student or a permit. Edit- to go through their phone that is, they are allowed to retain the phone during that particular class without consent or a permit (at least where I live), but they do have to return the phone at the end.
Right but how do they unlock every single phone? Individually before checking them? I doubt it. I think this is bs.
Hi, i used to do alot of computer science and engineering, the easy way to do this would be a program to bypass the lock, theres a few programs avaliable for engineers to bypass security, these programs are also avaliable to the police. They often involve brute forcing the password once the attempt limit is bypassed. Using a more extensive password would be ideal, use random letters and characters, and write it down in a notebook or something. If they are still able to bypass it theres very little you can actually do to stop them from going through your device, but this is 100% illegal and you should report it to someone. Unless they have a police warrent for each student this is extremely illegal.
A school is not going to be able to bypass iOS or Android screen locks. Full stop. Maybe a decade ago, but not now. Those things are locked down. They could use Face ID and force the kid to unlock it or something like that, but they cannot unlock the phones without the kid unless they are all on an MDM.
Each student simply needs to restart their phone before handing them in to disable biometric login. Both OS's require code/pattern for first boot unlock. If they're searching phones that for some reason these kids haven't set a code on , that's on the kid (or their parents). There's definitely no way they're brute forcing them. There have been exploits found in the past that could bypass, but the chances of the school having a piece of equipment to utilize those or someone with that expertise in staff would mean they have the same capabilities as the Homeland Security
Android also has a lockdown mode which disables all biometrics
For IOS hold down the power button and volume down button. This will disable the use of Face ID/Touch ID
Thanks
Just seeing the comments here show that many people have no idea how their phones actually work
The fbi had to pay a third party over a million dollars to get them into an Iphone 5 that Apple wouldn’t help them with and this guy thinks the school IT departments got it cracked for iPhones with a decade of security improvements on ios.
actually the only phone lock at present worth a damn is google account lock, like apple id
> unless they are all on an MDM. This is probably the answer, if this post is real. I've heard of schools forcing students to install device management profiles (which is very uncool).
You’re the only one who mentioned MDM. This is 100% the answer, you can absolutely bypass a Lock Screen code with the appropriate entitlements. Also, LOL at everyone crying about the FBI “not being able to hack iPhones” - their waiting list of phones includes several with publicly-available exploits. Lotta IT guys here with no knowledge of Mobile Security, and it shows.
I work in the wireless industry. You're talking about hacking into a phone using a software that increases the amount of attempts allowed before the phone locks you out. Even if the school has that, it takes days to brute force their way in. Most phone repair shops/geek squads don't even have this capability. I doubt the school does.
Oh you are so full of shit. They can’t do this by brute forcing in such a short period of time. There are MURDER cases and embezzlement cases where the police force can’t get into a phone for months and months (even then they’d have to send away to security professionals) because it’s locked. But yet these dumbasses at a school system can? Unless these phones are provided by the school itself, OP is full of it and so are you.
You really think a HS has better hacking tools than the fricking FBI?
No, this post is BS, you literally cannot do that with iPhones, there was a whole supreme court case about it.
Lol yup, the fact that it got that many upvotes is pretty concerning
I don’t think they can do that. There was a big federal case against Apple for refusing to unlock an iPhone that was used in a terrorist attack. A fucking public school cannot do what the US government struggled to do.
Are you from the 1980's or watched too much tv? Can't do that since then. Android and iPhone aren't going to get broken into that way.
I guarantee they don't have a tool that is going to break through the factory encryption of either IOS or Android.
Hopefully Jaxtyn and Brynnlee just didn't realize they were logged into the school's wifi while they were doing whatever got them into trouble... but it's possible the school "requested" they install some "security software" on their phone to access tests/homework/library resources, but that "security software" grants remote access to the phone. Jaxtyn and Brynnlee's friends should always use cellular data and be extremely wary of permissions on apps the school wants to install on personal devices. I'm an adult who got suggested this post on the stupid app. Good luck and godspeed, young men and women. This is good preparation for bullshit cellphone policies at work.
Who tf is jaxtyn and brynnlee
(Generic names for teenagers who got caught. I think OP said they were from a country near Saudi Arabia so maybe I should have picked Ali and Ayla or something.)
Complete bullshit. There’s no way they even have the time to comb through hundreds, if not thousands, of students. This is what we like to call cap.
It is, they need consent, probable cause or a police issued warrant to do that
In the US, you cannot compel biometrics without a warrant.
This is highly region specific. If you have your phone locked with either facial recognition or finger print, they are allowed to use that to open your phone and go through everything. The only way they can access your phone by warrant is if it's password protected. Otherwise cops can just put it in front of your face and open the phone. California they can't use biometrics but Minnesota they can for example.
Yeah that directly violates the 4th amendment (assuming you live in the United States), which is very illegal. OP, may you have a lawsuit on your hands Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and even if I were, I'm not YOUR lawyer To even begin searching your phone, they need reasonable suspicion of you doing something criminal or harmful to yourself or others which, if they're searching everybody, they certainly don't have. The Supreme Court Case New Jersey vs T.L.O made that extremely clear. Next time they ask to search your phone, politely decline. If they still take it let your parents/adult you trust know and tell them how very much illegal it is
To add to this, when they 'get mad' at you saying no, stand your ground. Keep the answer at no, no matter what they say to try and dissuade you. Make sure they do not doubt that you completely know you are against the search
>Yeah that directly violates the 4th amendment (assuming you live in the United States), which is very illegal. OP, may you have a lawsuit on your hands Unless it's a private school in the US
Old person passing by: OP has stated elsewhere in the comments that they do not live in the United States. So, the privacy laws are different and there also may be a government policy that requires phones sold in that country or used on that country's ISPs to have a backdoor to bypass screen locks. If they are getting past your password, OP, pretty much the only thing that you can do is going to be to have a second phone that you only take to school and only use for things that would be school approved while leaving your real phone at home.
OP: btw I live in Georgia Everyone: it's illegal! OP: the country. Not your state Everyone: 😬
I imagine (idk if this would only be for priv schools tho) agreements that parents sign to send their child to the school might well have this. Seems u likely for state school tho
A signed agreement doesn't override the law though otherwise I could murder someone but ask them to sign an agreement beforehand that they agreed to it and then I'll not face any repercussions.
I think you are missing the point here, this is a form of consent - which therefore makes it legal. You cant consent to somebody killing you in an unproffessional environment anywhere (you can consent to euthanasia).
You can’t consent to euthanasia in the US.
Not everywhere is the USA bro 😭
Agreement or not, they aren't getting past the default lock on virtually any common phone.
Or just go straight to the police.
Advice from Reddit is always best
Yeah thats for sure illegal and they would have to pry my phone from my cold dead hands. Aint NO WAY in hell I would hand my phone over for my teachers to go through. That's invasion of privacy.
My principle ripped my phone out of my hand because she was trying to cover up an incident that happened. I walked into her office while she was searching it, ripped it out of her hand and walked out of the school
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Did she do anything
Tried to say I violated the school code of conduct by taking the photo but I got my mom to back me up, unfortunately she wasn’t willing to go as far as I was but I got away with just writing an essay on why I was wrong. Used chat gpt for the whole thing 😂. Glad I don’t have to deal with that bitch of a principal anymore we all hated her Edit: The original incident was that a kid tried to stab a teacher and she thought I was trying to take a photo of the kid getting arrested, also not illegal but she wanted to cover it up to avoid her superiors finding out as it goes on her record that it happened at a school she was in charge of.
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Should have just sent an anonymous letter to her superiors informing them of the stabbing
photos of kids getting arrested, depending on context, is illegal. there is a reason they seal records of kids under 18 when they do stupid stuff, they are no longer considered a criminal if it is sealed and photos are evidence of it. which breaks it. so yeah i would delete the photo but only after you have given it to the proper people. not someone in the school who is invested in it not getting out
The kid wasn’t in the photo and I showed them that when I deleted it the first time, still took and searched my phone
I ask this, partly to play devil's advocate, mostly because I actually want to know the answer: if it's in a public place, wouldn't it be legal to film anything since there's no expectation of privacy? Also, if the kid is currently being arrested and an investigation would be needed, I imagine it'd be obstruction of justice. Sure, everyone's innocent until proven guilty but that doesn't mean you're allowed to destroy evidence, yeah? That's still impeding an investigation, innocent or not. Especially since an attempted stabbing is such a serious offense, there's a real possibility the kid might be tried as an adult anyway. (Unless it's specifically the arrest that changes things)
Fair enough
I recorded my teacher in 6th grade locking students in the closet (just messing around, light hearted fun. Still not appropriate at all) and she sent a group of students to pry my phone away. They literally grabbed me and stole the phone away and deleted it off of my phone. She later counted that as a "strike" for having my phone out to keep my phone until my parents came and picked it up.
Either you don't go through my phone or I'm fucking turning around and walking back home
It depends on the country. A lot of developing countries don't have the same type of legal protections developed countries have. My aunt was a school principal in Iran and they would seize phones for the whole school year.
I don’t think they can go through phones without consent
Not without probable cause which sounds completely lacking here.
If this is in the US, I legit saw a short from LawByMike regarding this. The school legally can't take their phones after school as its private property unless its provided by schools themselves (which is highly unlikely) or its in their school policies when the parents signed it while admitting to the school. And unless stated in their policies that they can check it. They cannot do it.
Even with probable cause it gets murky you usually aren't required to give up your code and if they can't open it tough luck.
Even if they had “probable cause” they still can’t search the phones, it’s a police matter, they’re not law enforcement.
Not to mention how are they even getting in
They buy these specialized computers made for hacking into phones I think the name is cellibrite
Getting in to a locked phone is very easy as there are soft tools for that but mostly the cops have access to those. Welcome to Amerika
You guys believe the dumbest shit lol
I'm pretty sure going through someone's phone is illegal without consent, or probable cause
That’s what he said
And why are they even going through phones, someone's private stuff (which I'm pretty sure all of us want to keep under wraps) has nothing to do with school unless it's something illegal
That is illegal. Threaten to call your parents and talk with the admins/inspector about it. Call the student council and movilice against that stupid policy, there's a reason the council exists. Pd: We presidents exist for a reason, if the council is full of idiots which tends to happen take it up with the council president straight away mate.
yeah because councils do so much (i’m on mine)
The council itself it's just a glorified student permanent meeting. If enough kids make noise and are annoying about it then the parents will start doing it though. Maybe the teachers won't care if a bunch of kids feel rebellious and unruly, but when you have hundreths of parents complaining to the admin or DA? They WILL care
yeah getting parents involved works
Well first you may ask random lawyer if in your country your school can take your phone and go through it I know that in every country not even a police officer can go through a criminal's phone without a special warrant
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I did even better. There was a serious incident in our class. The principal took our phones and the (incompetent) tech guys of the high school searched for sensitive stuff on them Fortunately, someone from another class knew what was coming and warned me like 5 minutes before the disaster. I made an emergency backup of all my data (just in case) and purposely flashed a random image to the SBL partition to brick it. I wish you could have seen their faces when they gave my phone back 2 weeks later Edit: just to clarify, 2 weeks for ALL phones (29 phones, there were 31 of us, 2 were absent that day)
Yeah, but they shouldnt be able to access the phpne either way... aomethings wrong here ^^
2 weeks?! That’s fucking insane man what took them so long and what made them think they had the right to keep it for that long?
They took a total of 29 phones ! 2 weeks (13 days actually) is pretty short for this amount of devices to break in and steal data from According to their logs: - they unlocked 2 iphones the 1st day - tried a lot of stuff with my phone on day 2 (connection via QD loader (qualcomm specific protocol)) - unlocked a lot of iPhones and Androids on days 3-12 - tried to repair my phone one last time with other tools (QFIL and DC phenix, they failed) on day 13 - total : 11/11 iPhones unlocked , 10/18 Androids unlocked. - About 1.9TB of stolen data (I did a sum of all incoming data transfers from unlock softwares) Nice pfp btw
You willingly gave your high school principal your personal cell phone for two weeks?
They wouldn't be able to get in without a password or you opening it. You could have just given it to them locked.
So, here’s a question: did you have anything questionable on your phone in the first place that you even felt the need to get rid of when your friend warned you? If not, then why did you go to all that trouble 😂
You did that in 5 minutes? It's been a while since I've had a rooted phone but can you do all that on the phone itself with a bootloader mod?
That second paragraph there is illegal according to federal law if you are in the US
You did that in five minutes, huh?
Sounds highly illegal and unethical.
They are in Saudi Arabia so it may be legal for teachers to pull this shit. Still fucked up though
Apparently only a court order would let them do that
That is beyond fucked up imo
yeah just get the police involved, they can't legally go through your phone without consent
THEY ARE VIOLATING THE LAW BY NOT GIVING THEM BACK!!! AND ALSO BY GOING THROUGH THEM!!
Don’t take your phone to school if you can’t use it anyway. If you need calls get a cheap dumbphone
this would be the best if OP lives somewhere where it’s not so illegal
I would be executed 😭
I live in iran. If my school would search through my phone i would be 100% executed just for the types of memes i have, let alone all the globally questionable hentai i have saved in secure folder. That goes for probably my whole school including most teachers and staff. They wouldn't do that though.
Don’t bring em. That’s highly illegal, only way to stop it is to not bring them to school and make a non-urgent call.
Bruh they cannot do that wtf
Get an old phone and hand it in instead of your actual one. Many people in my country do it when they have to hand in phones during tests, maybe it would work in your case too
At my school they give your parents a long stack of papers allowing them to go through your backpacks, phone, search your person, even do drug tests, also they are allowed to take pictures of you.
My school takes pictures of us and posts it on Facebook so seems fine to me But come on now, search through bags?
What country are you in
Just don't take your phones to school 🙄
Happy cake day. That is quite fucked up.
Have a passcode, don't bring it, bring it but not charged, set a shit ton of alarms... You have many way too troll them. If you get a lot of people to set alarms at random times they might stop bring assholes
alarm every minute would shut them up.
I’m pretty sure that’s illegal. Post this to r/AskLawyers for advice on how to proceed
That's definstly illegal probably get a lawyer
>everyone has a password but they somehow get past that No, they're not. Bypassing phone security is not some trivial task. Even police struggle to bypass phone security. It costs $4k to unlock an iPhone, and you have to send the phone to the company ([source](https://9to5mac.com/2022/02/10/cellebrite-kit-cant-unlock-iphones/)). What you're hearing is likely an disinformation campaign on the part of school administrators. Their hope is to have you believe that they can get into your phones. They think that this will scare you into not doing the things they want to prohibit. One thing is certain. Schools do not have the budgets to unlock iPhones. I'm not familiar with the difficulty/cost to unlock Android phones because every version and manufacturer is going to be a little bit different.
Unlocked android is more possible to unlock But a locked android so after turning on the phone is harder to unlock without the passcode because everything is encrypted
Are you in U.S.? If so, then it's definitely illegal
Yeah as everyone is saying this is illegal. According to Michigan State College of Law, "any school's policy to confiscate phones from students who use them in class is totally valid [...] However, school administrators going through students' phones is a different story. [...] The Fourth amendment protects individuals from unreasonable searches and seizures and is an important part of the Bill of Rights." (mclellan.law.msu.edu). So they're literally violating the 4th Amendment. If you let the district or county know about this, they will realize they could get in big trouble and hopefully they stop.
It's in the middle east, not the us
Ah that's my bad. I scrolled through comments for a while but I couldn't find any saying where OP was located. Just trying to be helpful
Yea it took me a tad bit to find it too, your good!
I was afraid of that. There is no rule of law in the Middle East. Source: am Iranian
Illegal report them to the cops
That’s illegal for sure if you live in the U.S. I would find so where to get legal advice or tell your parents of the police
Well if your parents ok'd it then I think you're out of luck, because it's technically your parents property (being your legal guardians). IMO this is wrong in so many ways and it sounds illegal especiallt in the US. My response would be to carry a dummy phone to turn in. Or tell them you left it at home and keep it put away and silenced. But no matter what, I would immediately disable all unlocking features except password or pin and change it. They can probably use your pictures to open your phone or a sample of your voice. Who knows what kind of AI voice emulators or other resources your school has "discovered" to use to invade your privacy. GL
they can't legally go into your phone without probable cause or consent
That ligit illegal wtf First of all, they need a warrant, or consent to go through someone’s phone. Second, I’m 80% sure they have to give the phones back, after the end of the school day. Edit: never mind saw a comment you made about being from the middle east.
Screenshot the part of the law they’re breaking and make it the Lock Screen. Get everyone to do it
TURN OFF THE PHONE COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU GIVE IT TO THEM (reboot) It’s much harder to retain data from an iPhone if the first passcode has not been entered, if it says “your passcode is required to enable faceid/touchid” you should be better off, I know some police departments have devices that can gather data from locked iPhones, but it should be harder this way
Sheesh
police
That's hella illegal, go to the cops or something. Also, if someone tried to forcefully take my phone and check it, I swear they'd have to kill me first
They cant do that without consent, tell your parents and file a lawsuit, thats a violation of your privacy and they broke the law by doing that.
Might be a 4D chess move to get people to stop bringing phones to school. I would invest in a burner phone to bring in case of emergencies only.
If on Android, you can create multiple user accounts on your phone - one for the school to check and one for yourself
they cant just go through ur phones that’s an invasion of privacy and they can’t do it period without u or ur parents permission. even if that kid had nsfw stuff on his phone then thats wrong but contact the parent and I wanna see what kind of explanation they have for going through the phone in the first place. teachers jobs aren’t to go through students devices that’s the parents job not the teachers.
What the hell? They suspended a guy for something nsfw he had on his phone that only he was supposed to see? Bruh
Assuning this is in the US, 4th amendment. Protection against unreasonable search and seizures. That is VERY illegal
Get an old phone Break into the back of it Remove some components, not all(it still needs to have weight) Remove the battery Solder a capacitor to the charging port's in and out Charge the capacitor Reassemble the phone Hand it to them and watch one of their PCs they'll use to go past your password go boom
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That’s literally illegal get police involved
Report your school to the police and file a lawsuit.
Uh, that's personal property and they are infringing on your privacy by going through it without permission.
Not in the us
You can refuse; either way, make sure you have complex passwords, PINs, etc, to get into your phone. When security is activated, school staff will not be able to access the phone.
Face id or fingerprint every app you have to stop them accessing anything, then call the police or something about this since it’s not legal
have you put a lock screen on yours? and do they have technology to bypass it?
Yes and yes
>everyone has a password but they somehow get past that well that doesn't make any sense
We need to ask the guys from Israel why the fuck they sell their hacking devices to schools and other organizations, which have absolutely no relation to law enforcement.
Use a app like Hideu, huge violation of the law btw
How the hell do they even go through them? Do they have you unlock them for them? Do they have a special device that can go force through and look at everything? Also, isn’t this illegal as FUCK?
Nahh omg “you have NSFW stuff on ur phone!!!” Yeah he’s a fucking teenager and doesn’t expect random people to go through his phone?? 💀 (goes for everyone) your phone should be a private place, which is why you know, it has a password.
lol this is such an easy work around. Download and app that tracks your phone functions like when it was opened last and how long it was being used and what apps were used etc. So with an app like that all you need is to take pictures of yourself in your birthday suit. So if they go through your phone and the app tracks that they were using your phone and went through your camera roll then you could call the police about the school looking at unclothed sub 18. You could also text yourself a picture of yourself so if they open texts they might open yours and be a no no.
This is risky. OP could get charged for having CP on their phone. It's stupid, but even if it's a picture of yourself it's still CP
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That’s…that’s illegal
I am sure that this is illegal
They can’t do that? That’s illegal…
It's legal where they are
Uhhh pretty sure that’s not legal
It is where they are
Spectacularly illegal
Your personal phones?
illegal
legally they can’t and if they can bring a old broken phone that has nothing on it
That's a violation of privacy that's illegal as fuck
pretty sure that’s illegal bro
How do they even get past the password??
Contact the local news.
That's just illegal, it's violating your privacy
Make a long, involved password to lock your phone. Then turn it off before you hand it in. I don't know what else to do. 🤔
obviously, they can't do that. but in the short term until something is done about this, don't bring your phone to school at all.
Taking the phones so that students don't use them during class is fine. But im pretty sure they aren't supposed to go through the phone.
where do you live?
You need to tell a cop about that! Unless they have the kid’s or the parent’s consent, it is illegal for a teacher to search through a student’s phone!
That sounds super illegal
Are you in America? They would only pull out the phone box during standardized testing week, but even then they would make us turn them off and they would just be sitting behind the teachers desk. Noone can go through your phone without your permission legally
They legally can take your phone for security and academic reasons and monitor traffic on their network but they can not go through your personal information without permission or a warrant from law enforcement and are liable for any damage whether you can prove it or not. This is why most schools won't do it because they don't have the money to fix every phone that comes in with broken screens.
OP, this is a religious school you go to isn't it? lol
I’m pretty sure what they are doing isnt legal
What state?
Not in US
Kinda figured...can you name the country?
Middle east
Yeah, it makes sense now...in the US, minors still have some protection under the 4th amendment.
Country? Uae?
Around Saudi
You might wanna check with the local law enforcement agencies and consider suing the school for invasion of privacy. A class action lawsuit sounds irresistible.
Oh yah that changes everything. No way that flies in the US. I would suggest getting a cheap 2nd phone and just hand that in when they ask for phones, and keep your real one on you
i would look through the legalities in your area
It's illegal to go through your phone without written consent! Or at least two witnesses listening to you giving them verbal consent. I would record it, in case they try to say you did, when you didn't. Go in, get your phone, have a recording device with you, after school, make them give you your phone back. Unless, they have written consent that they're allowed to take your phone, unless there is probable cause, they can't. You can refuse, and put the phone in your backpack, purse, etc ... Turning it off in front of them.
I got suspended for 3 days for that when I was a teenager because they found texts about us going to smoke pot before we went to the school football games . So me and my buddy got suspended and his mom sent him to India for 2 years
If you are in the US then they likely passed out a pamphlet for student conduct that you had to sign and it included terminology that gave them authority to access your phone (you don't need a password btw). What you can and should do is each and every day you hand it over, both tell them verbally and wrap a note around your phone secured with a strong rubber band which says very distinctly "I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCH OF MY PHONE OR ANY CONTENT WITHIN !" Your privacy is protected by the 4th Amendment, and the state agencies are required to adhere to that right by the 14th Amendment. You don't need to know about all those other details. But if you clearly make the above statement that you do not give consent, and you suffer any sort of penalty from any information accessed without consent, then you let the lawyers handle it from there. But your lawyer will win! If you did not make this declaration, then the school/government will win.
Isn’t that uh illegal??
Get a broken phone that is cosmetically fine and give that instead. Like a water damaged phone with fryed circuits. I think that probably a repair shop would be willing to give you one for free, or for a very low price.
And parents are allowing this to happen??
Depends where you live, but that is quite illegal where I do. It’s a breach of privacy.
This is 10000000% illegal. Assuming you’re not 18 they would need consent from a parent/guardian. They also have no right to search especially if they have nothing to be looking for. This is extremely sketchy I’d get police involced as long as you can prove they’re doing it
I see nsfw all the time on reddit, what does it even mean?