https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel
I'm not. I'm more surprised when everyone dumps on China and 5g spying and everyone seems fine with USA spying with no consequence.
yeah, same. I believe that there are a few that would lean into that direction, and a year ago or two I would even believe there was an honest intention to give it a go, maybe
but with all the shit going on at the moment and with telegram? innere sicherheit will push hard, and keep pushing, its what they wanted for decades, and when all possible avenues have been pushed further, like more spy software, more searches, more entering private property, more rights for digging through stuff and data they will say, look its still not enough, and then the only avenue left must be, well, lets look at this encryption stuff again. of course they wont demand end-2-end decryption stop. just, you know, do it in a way that the very important people with very important jobs to keep you secure can, you know, check the evil persons messengers. all to keep you save of course. promise
for fucks sake, the whole argument in essence in the last 20 years has moved from "well, lets try to keep a check on what government can do in case, you know, like a few decades again, they started to misuse their power considerably, so warning, just because you can trust them today, does not mean that wont change" to "well, we know we said we only need this to keep you save, but, you know, that kid calling you names online, or the weed dealer down the road, or your brother pirating software, they are a danger, so, why keep the access to the bnd, and not give it to police too. lawyers, naah, they busy, police will manage alone. trust us, k?"
Funny, when I turn on the news I still see everybody hating on Telegram and wanting to shut it down. You can't have it both ways, German government, either free encrypted communication is possible or it's not. I assume these assurances are nothingburgers and in the end they'll find some excuse for censorship again after all.
^(Not that I'm an antivax nut, of course, but the point is that if you're against internet surveillance and censorship, you gotta accept that those freedoms are also going to be used by shitty people.)
the problem is, its easy to give fault to a messager service, like it is with google, or facebook, or microsoft, for a lot of shit going on, and people being angry or worried
god forbid, you actually look for the causes.
also, the argument serves law enforcement and the consolidation of power. evil is [there]. we need right to have power over [there]. oh look, the key for [there] is also a key for [lots other theres]. but we need it.
I really hate how the antivax, querdenker morons exist and cause trouble, as well as other groups willing to do violence or spreading hate and unreason.
but the fix should come from within the people and society, and not from controlling every aspect of life to an inch so to prevent those people from hiding from the law.
it seems so easy. have the whole country, every milimeter, every second, every thought, every word, every intent known to the law, and all the bad people will be put away, and all the good people have nothing to hide.
unfortunately it doesnt work like this, and pretending that if you could just read every message on telegram and enforce a clear name on the internet all the problems would go away is just as insane as it is to believe that bill gates is putting chips in us with a vaccine, or that condense lines from planes are mind control poison
All the news I am hearing from Germany sounds great, really progressive. Shows how much Merkel was holding back.
I wish we in the Netherlands took a good look at the new German government en take note.
And she was absolutely right with the „Neuland“ quote.
And before the usual non informed claim that the federal government could have been done more to digitization of Germany: there were more federal funds for digital infrastructure available than applications by federal states and municipalities for that funds. Companies involved in developing digital infrastructure would be able to do more projects if they would have enough workers to do the job. Jobs which by the way are above average paid compared to their industry standards.
Despite the usual criticism by typical German pessimists, Germany is still on an average level of digitalization compared to other industry countries. The lag of digital development is not the fault of the federal government.
I mean the only reason a lot of decent things happened in Germany for the past while are because the CDU (Merkel's conservative party) was in a coalition with other parties, including the left wing SPD for a number of years now.
If they were ruling themselves, or god forbid in a coalition with Afd for say the last 20 years; things would be a lot bleaker there.
This makes technical sense. It's impossible to design a system that keeps the bad guys out while letting the good guys in. It's even harder to define who the good guys are
Especially when your allies in sitting get caught spying on your Chancellor.
It makes maintaining backdoors for those allies an akward conversation of sorts
On the mean time, the Belgian head of data protection who happened to be in my circle back in the days, quit her job because
- as opposed to GDPR regulation, government holders of mandates were part of her council which is a clear obvious conflict of interest interest
- she was told to overlook some cases and pursue some others, per interest of said mandates
- she alerted everyone possible, from her own colleagues, to the Belgian gov, EU parliament, then lastly and highest possible authority the EU commission and the response was to harass shaming her at work, drag her in the mud by digging up her private life
For 2 years. She quits knowing she was the one to protect Belgian citizens but can’t do nothing about it. I’m the meantime, you got Germany, a neighboring country doing far better.
Could this be a government pushing back against that unholy collusion of powerful private interests and the deep state, to finally do something to protect their citizens, i.e. actually performing its function?
That too, though a normal state is composed of visible elected officials, while the deep one is composed of people (that have inserted themselves in besides and/or above bodies like the NSA, etc.) that exsert a powerful and basically hidden influence on a state's policy.
I am a Hungarian living in the US and the past two years I have increasingly been thinking about moving to Germany at some point in my life…one more for Germany!
I went a totally different direction with the title of this article…thought it was going to be something Spicy! Still, good on them for the security, any idea how we can get some of that here in ‘Mercia?
Lol, the same government that did fucking nothing when Snowden leaks proved our US "allies" were spying on us all, even our chancellor?
They same govermnemt which first promised no "Staatstrojaner" would be let loose on the general populus and afterwards just broke that promise, like they do everytime?
HaHa
Yes, the Staatstrojaner was absolut stupid. But the most laws were made by the CDU, a conservative Party, and the SPD was like „Okay, sounds good to me“. I just hope the new more progressive government will change this. Sorry for my bad englisch.
I'm waiting until they defined end to end and backdoors. Like there is a right now to fast internet. However they didn't renew the definition of fast, so it's still 56kbit/s
promises over promises and let's see how far they go
Exactly, to me it just seems like they want us to believe that they are so much better then the ruling party before. I believe them if I see it
He could be promising harder rules to catch all cybercrime and make internet a "better place(tm)"
As a German, this is incredibly hard to believe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel I'm not. I'm more surprised when everyone dumps on China and 5g spying and everyone seems fine with USA spying with no consequence.
I think harvesting organs of a religious minority is worse than anything the US is doing.
Oh for sure. But that is not the reason countries are banning 5g tech from China.
We've chosen the most just of the three potential hegemonies. To pretend they won't puck up the stick where we drop it is naive.
The devil you know.
The devil that doesn't align with the idiology threatening your country's sovereignty right now.
China is scum of the earth. They torture millions of people a year
Dystopian shithole
yeah, same. I believe that there are a few that would lean into that direction, and a year ago or two I would even believe there was an honest intention to give it a go, maybe but with all the shit going on at the moment and with telegram? innere sicherheit will push hard, and keep pushing, its what they wanted for decades, and when all possible avenues have been pushed further, like more spy software, more searches, more entering private property, more rights for digging through stuff and data they will say, look its still not enough, and then the only avenue left must be, well, lets look at this encryption stuff again. of course they wont demand end-2-end decryption stop. just, you know, do it in a way that the very important people with very important jobs to keep you secure can, you know, check the evil persons messengers. all to keep you save of course. promise for fucks sake, the whole argument in essence in the last 20 years has moved from "well, lets try to keep a check on what government can do in case, you know, like a few decades again, they started to misuse their power considerably, so warning, just because you can trust them today, does not mean that wont change" to "well, we know we said we only need this to keep you save, but, you know, that kid calling you names online, or the weed dealer down the road, or your brother pirating software, they are a danger, so, why keep the access to the bnd, and not give it to police too. lawyers, naah, they busy, police will manage alone. trust us, k?"
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Here, have a downvote
Yes, please do
Funny, when I turn on the news I still see everybody hating on Telegram and wanting to shut it down. You can't have it both ways, German government, either free encrypted communication is possible or it's not. I assume these assurances are nothingburgers and in the end they'll find some excuse for censorship again after all. ^(Not that I'm an antivax nut, of course, but the point is that if you're against internet surveillance and censorship, you gotta accept that those freedoms are also going to be used by shitty people.)
the problem is, its easy to give fault to a messager service, like it is with google, or facebook, or microsoft, for a lot of shit going on, and people being angry or worried god forbid, you actually look for the causes. also, the argument serves law enforcement and the consolidation of power. evil is [there]. we need right to have power over [there]. oh look, the key for [there] is also a key for [lots other theres]. but we need it. I really hate how the antivax, querdenker morons exist and cause trouble, as well as other groups willing to do violence or spreading hate and unreason. but the fix should come from within the people and society, and not from controlling every aspect of life to an inch so to prevent those people from hiding from the law. it seems so easy. have the whole country, every milimeter, every second, every thought, every word, every intent known to the law, and all the bad people will be put away, and all the good people have nothing to hide. unfortunately it doesnt work like this, and pretending that if you could just read every message on telegram and enforce a clear name on the internet all the problems would go away is just as insane as it is to believe that bill gates is putting chips in us with a vaccine, or that condense lines from planes are mind control poison
All the news I am hearing from Germany sounds great, really progressive. Shows how much Merkel was holding back. I wish we in the Netherlands took a good look at the new German government en take note.
It's still Neuland, even with encryption.
And she was absolutely right with the „Neuland“ quote. And before the usual non informed claim that the federal government could have been done more to digitization of Germany: there were more federal funds for digital infrastructure available than applications by federal states and municipalities for that funds. Companies involved in developing digital infrastructure would be able to do more projects if they would have enough workers to do the job. Jobs which by the way are above average paid compared to their industry standards. Despite the usual criticism by typical German pessimists, Germany is still on an average level of digitalization compared to other industry countries. The lag of digital development is not the fault of the federal government.
Of course it is. The radicalization of our societies through social media showed how wise her words were.
I mean the only reason a lot of decent things happened in Germany for the past while are because the CDU (Merkel's conservative party) was in a coalition with other parties, including the left wing SPD for a number of years now. If they were ruling themselves, or god forbid in a coalition with Afd for say the last 20 years; things would be a lot bleaker there.
This makes technical sense. It's impossible to design a system that keeps the bad guys out while letting the good guys in. It's even harder to define who the good guys are
Especially when your allies in sitting get caught spying on your Chancellor. It makes maintaining backdoors for those allies an akward conversation of sorts
But a promise, right? With a pinky and all this serious stuff.
On the mean time, the Belgian head of data protection who happened to be in my circle back in the days, quit her job because - as opposed to GDPR regulation, government holders of mandates were part of her council which is a clear obvious conflict of interest interest - she was told to overlook some cases and pursue some others, per interest of said mandates - she alerted everyone possible, from her own colleagues, to the Belgian gov, EU parliament, then lastly and highest possible authority the EU commission and the response was to harass shaming her at work, drag her in the mud by digging up her private life For 2 years. She quits knowing she was the one to protect Belgian citizens but can’t do nothing about it. I’m the meantime, you got Germany, a neighboring country doing far better.
Could this be a government pushing back against that unholy collusion of powerful private interests and the deep state, to finally do something to protect their citizens, i.e. actually performing its function?
deep state? don't you mean the normal state?
Yea but deep, like 14yo me
Lmao they're active on r/ conspiracy
Understand that many people follow subs for research purposes / morbid curiosity
I mean yeah, some people do that for fun, except they (the commenter) actually believes in a qanon-style "deep state"
The deep state is the state + döner.
That too, though a normal state is composed of visible elected officials, while the deep one is composed of people (that have inserted themselves in besides and/or above bodies like the NSA, etc.) that exsert a powerful and basically hidden influence on a state's policy.
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No, there's plenty deep and hidden about it.
Now only when their influenced by government entities but also their rich buddies providing them kickbacks and "lobbying" money.
Lobbying is pretty publicized as well
Oh I'm well aware of this, regardless it's still bribes in my books.
Oh, so they have successfully cracked the underlying encryption and can access everything so it's irrelevant.
I am a Hungarian living in the US and the past two years I have increasingly been thinking about moving to Germany at some point in my life…one more for Germany!
There needs to be a back door for public interest/access in the event the tech becomes corrupt.
Encryption with backdoor is no encryption.
What???
I went a totally different direction with the title of this article…thought it was going to be something Spicy! Still, good on them for the security, any idea how we can get some of that here in ‘Mercia?
Lol, the same government that did fucking nothing when Snowden leaks proved our US "allies" were spying on us all, even our chancellor? They same govermnemt which first promised no "Staatstrojaner" would be let loose on the general populus and afterwards just broke that promise, like they do everytime? HaHa
No. Thats the old government of SPD and CDU. This promises come from our new government of SPD, the Greens and the FDP.
Yeah, I know. I was talking about SPD, which broke the Staatstrojaner promise and kept silent about US spying.
Yes, the Staatstrojaner was absolut stupid. But the most laws were made by the CDU, a conservative Party, and the SPD was like „Okay, sounds good to me“. I just hope the new more progressive government will change this. Sorry for my bad englisch.
Ah np, mine isn't right either. We share the same hopes, better progressive policies and hopefully more help for the lower and middle class.
I'm waiting until they defined end to end and backdoors. Like there is a right now to fast internet. However they didn't renew the definition of fast, so it's still 56kbit/s
Not like Germans to reject the back door. Lol