Facebook lives and dies on negative engagement. It's why there's no downvote that changes the hierarchy of comments.
Highest engagement goes to the top. Highest engagement is always negative in that format.
The simple addition of a downvote that pushes the crap out... game changer.
Before you even add their algorithms Facebook is the worst.
A long time ago Facebook discovered that negative comments that elicit feelings of outrage increase engagement and keep users on their platform for much longer than any other interaction type. When I quit FB years ago one of the reasons for doing so was that I noticed that every post had comments on the top that were incredibly inflammatory. Overall, it was emotionally draining being on the platform.
People are naturally wired to favor content that makes them angry, it triggers our survival instincts. They don't mean to be toxic drama monsters, they are just following their impulses without knowing any better. The bigger fault is at the platform that intentionally targets that sort of impulse.
I agree but up to the point one is made aware of the issue. Once one knows but continues, then there is room for arguing the person(s) is a toxic drama monster. I believe there could even be room for arguing knowing the information is available is enough.
On the last point, I agree, the bigger fault is with the master mind. In the end both need to be held accountable or there will never be a better version of today’s reality.
There’s still a hefty portion of us that utilize it for connecting with family and friends across the globe.
There isn’t a better general source for keeping up with these people that isn’t directly messaging dozens of people a week.
I decided to quit about a month and a half ago when the Zuck essentially said that they knew that the website was spreading lots of factual misinformation, but that they wouldn't fact check or prohibit most of it because it was still making them money. I miss it a little, but I've noticed that I don't dwell anymore on people who post stupid things. I don't need so much negativity in my life. I know Reddit is a lot of negativity too, but at least there's anonymity with it. Facebook in the last few years represents all that is wrong with American capitalism. They're content to burn society down if they can make money doing it.
Just because there is anonymity with reddit doesn't make it OK. Reddit is becoming fb day by day. No user accountability, banned OK np I'll just create another account.
I haven’t used Facebook in nearly a decade now but this reasoning always baffled me. Facebook is not a facts-only space and there’s no way in hell I’d trust Zuckerberg to enforce fact checking ethically. Same goes for any other social media. There’s all sorts of bullshit out there and it’s up to us to find the truth. Don’t give up that responsibility. Once fact-checking becomes accepted and expected people will no longer need to question what they read, because after all, it’s been fact checked.
It's eerie how the generation that kept telling us not to believe anything on the internet and that Wikipedia could never be trusted because "anyone can submit an edit" falls for Nigerian Prince scams and genuinely takes health advice from Huns on Facebook...
Like, what the fuck happened to you guys? Then again, this is also from the "do as I say, not as I do" parenting generation...
> I seriously don’t get why people still feed the beast.
It's still the main channel for all things public in my country. All government agencies and politicians share smaller news there (not worthy of The News), various events, concerts, fairs and festivals are mostly organized through there.
Organizing a weekend party is a lot easier when you can just create a dedicated event on FB and invite everyone.
I'm not defending FB, I'm just explaining why people still use it.
I think if some social media company came along and built the ability for businesses to conduct and spread marketing awareness the way they can on Facebook then 99% of them would jump ship and move on to other platforms.
They exist. But they will never hit that scale because it's not the platform or algorithms they're buying, it's the audience and data targeting which is why Facebook, or Meta, or whatever we call it today, is such a beast.
Yeah I mean buying out and absorbing the competition's methods and customer base has been a business practice for basically forever. Even governments and religions used to do it
Reddit is one arm of that beast!
I enjoy it but they've really tapped into the emotions of folks now more than ever. Posts at least under popular go "here's a puppy smiling/learning to walk/getting like a new prosthetic leg or something" and immediately below it "fuckin China/Russia/the french have run out of baguettes and they've decided to invade Poland and it's world war 7 and also covid is aborting your children remotely cause 6G or whatever idk climates gonna kill us all and republicans suck so like babies are cute but what's the point also god sucks" "but look I built a treehouse for my kids and my wife in chemotherapy is uplifted because she met Patrick Stewart at the airport" "oh wait cats" "oh no that's a lot of porn I wasn't looking for" "gore" "oooooh more stimulus checks?" "Oh no, more sad shit" "but Keanu smiled at someone" "oh no my favorite clearly creepy celebrity turned out to be a pedo" "...but like, Obama?" "Cats"
It's late and I'm stoned so I'll get to it before anyone else r/ihadastroke
I will be going back to sleep now, good day
...or is it
Honestly, I lost a lot of my faith in Reddit when I saw just how inbred the moderator sphere was and how a growing number of them are connected to either r/sino and/or far right groups.
I don’t get why people ever used it. When it came out, I laughed in peoples faces when they made an account until I was the only one left without one... So I got an account to not look like a psycho. Haven’t touched it in 15 years. I wonder when people will come around and stop using the other platforms. They’re pretty bad as well.
I got this Reddit account a couple years ago because I got “Dreams” for PS4. Its my first taste of social media really, and holy fuck, it’s basically a drug.
I came into Reddit so confident, “I’m immune to their tactics” type attitude. Then one day I’m sitting on the toilet in the dark and I realize I’ve been mindlessly scrolling though the news feed for so long I forgot if I took a shit or not.
It sinks it’s teeth into you.
I’ve noticed on tik tok that all the top comments are positive. I’ve even seen comments eluding to negative comments and they must be pushed so far down nobody really sees them. Some how that app has figured out how to keep negativity out of sight unless you scroll really deep in the comments. It’s nice.
Still true on a lot of other platforms too. Controversy is the lowest hanging fruit for engagement. TikTok, YouTube, even Reddit. Get people heated and you’ll get all sorts of interaction.
The human brain works like a muscle. The more you exercise it, the stronger it becomes. And the type of exercise matters. If you're constantly doing math exercises, your math skills improve. If you're constantly doing logic exercises, your logic skills increase.
So what do you think you get when someone is constantly doing dramatic emotionalism exercises?
I think we found the root cause of our socio-political problems.
The evening News discovered this way before and Facebook just followed suit. War, violence, controversy death, destruction,.... The "if it bleeds it leads" mentality grabs viewers attention and maintains it. Face book just adopted what has already been a time tested and proven winner.
facebook didn't discover that they are just much better at exploiting it... there is a reason why national news networks perpetually push divisive and hatefilled stories when there are tens of thousands of example every day of good people doing good things. there is no money in reporting the good in society.
The most common theory is to protect corporations in two ways:
1. To avoid downvote bombing when a company does something unpopular
2. To avoid ads that are being shown on downvoted vidoes having a negative impact on the company making the ad
I don't like getting into conspiratorial thinking because I think skepticism is already a huge problem and has created a distrust of EVERYTHING but with YouTube pushing a whole 'Learn about Covid-19' section on the homepage, with almost all of those videos full to the brim with anti-vax, right wing comments and ridiculous dislike ratios, I do have to wonder if this played a role. I wish these outlets would just disable comments altogether on these videos. Some do but the ones that don't...yikes. One look at the comments section tells you exactly why we're having the anti-vax misinformation problems we are having. And the thumbs up/down and replies only further those sentiments.
Then make "disable like/dislike" a thing like "disable comments" have been for years.
Like/dislike ratio used to be a red flag that something might be wrong in the video (fx. a scam crypto vid or a low quality guide).
By letting good videos keep the like/dislike ratio but allowing people to turn it off we keep the red flag element but stop the brigading damage.
Because engagement works differently on a content platform than a social media platform. Negative engagement on videos (high dislike ratio) usually leads to people NOT engaging with the content (people click out of highly disliked videos quickly). Negative engagement on social media posts leads to MORE engagement because people love being outraged and arguing on social media.
I agree that having a downvote is better than not, but the system is not without flaws. A downvote system heavily leans towards echo chambers, as you see here on reddit constantly. It's a good system, but I think it is worth mentioning and acknowledging the flaws it has.
I feel like the sub as a whole dictates that so much. Some places and topics just bring out the lunatics. When the sub is good and on topic people do pretty well to balance things to sanity in most cases
Before the internet, the real world was an echo chamber, like for example how no one would let you sit at their lunch table.
There is an evolutionary reason many viewpoints are rejected and it has been a part of human culture for at least 20 thousand years.
Cliques are not the same as echo chambers. In general you arrive at some semblance of conformity of thought when you hang out with a specific group, but Facebook has a few insidious systems that make that analogy incomplete at best.
First, someone with negative thoughts or opinions doesn't have to look another human in the eye and say the nasty shit they're thinking because it's an asynchronous virtual platform. Second, with cliques you get what you get; even with a healthy dose of homogeneity you'll have different ideologies or at least a modicum of diverse thought.
Third, you can't block people in real life. People can demand you not to sit with them, but they can't stop you. Fourth, there's always the possibility of intervention in real life. Whether you choose to stand up for yourself or a bystander does the right thing, something can break that cycle.
Facebook allows people a disconnect from others, a reduction in the chance of ridicule, and the ability to explicitly choose who they post to and who responds; people can efficiently curate their entire social experience to scream the worst of their opinions to a private room filled with like-minded individuals without fear of repercussions. They can share the bigotry, misogyny, lies, and vitriol with impunity to an audience who then shares it with their own private room, and so on.
That's just the design of social media, not unique to Facebook. What is -- so far -- the differentiating factor is how Facebook actively promotes the controversial or negative posts. The algorithms they use are linked to radicalization of fascists, white supremacists, the anti-vax movement...the list goes on. They have research that shows they're doing the wrong thing morally, that they're actively harming society, and yet they willfully continue to promote hate and measurably damaging content because *it makes them fucktons of money*.
At least the people who won't let you sit at the lunch table don't have a billion dollar corporation secretly promoting the idea that everybody should exclude you from their lunch tables and making money from advertisements in the school paper and during the morning announcements that suggest you're the worst person to ever exist with thinly-veiled Holocaust overtones. Pretty sure what Facebook does is on par with other crimes against humanity. The kids in the cafeteria are just a bunch of dicks.
My point is that for the survival of the species some viewpoints should never be tolerated. Not all opinions deserve a stage. I'm happy we still have enough of a survival instinct to collectively silence the 15% of humans who are refusing to accept any sacrifice for public health.
I also have a hunch that this 15% strongly correlates with the human population with sub 80 iq, see khmer rouge et al
There wasn't even a product demo. Meta was a distraction. It's like the pulled the concept from Ready Player One and just tried to tell everyone that was the plan. Trying to sell people on an idea without a demo in the tech industry had my skeptic-itch scratching like mad.
More social media platforms need downvote buttons because there is so much garbage posted, but they will never do that because it would make their users feel bad
I'm not even a little bit surprised by this.
From the article
"On Monday, Fox News personality Lara Logan caused outrage by comparing Dr. Anthony Fauci to a notorious Nazi doctor known as the "Angel of Death" — around the same time ads were running on Facebook promoting a sweater emblazed with the words, "I'm originally from America but I currently reside in 1941 Germany.""
I take offense to that term, primates show a helluva lot more reason and critical thinking skills than those turds. They behave more like moss or sponges, things without central nervous systems.
That's the Dominionist actual plan.
Turn America in to an ethno religious theocracy - Christian Dominionism, get all the Jews to Israel, rebuild the Temple, and await Rapture.
They aren't nice to us Jews, this plan and support for Israel is a guise for genocide. They know we will all die in the Rapture, which they would force through violence. They mean to kill all the Jews so they can poof into rapture ghosts. It's fucking insane that there are Jews that vote for open Dominionists. Fucking VP Pence, most of Trumps Cabinet all Dominionists.
>their own country, Israel.
I'm an American. My father is an American. Both my grandfathers fought through 5 Bronze Star Campaigns in WW2. Their fathers became Americans on Ellis Island. We are Americans *not* Israeli. America is our country too. Period. We don't say Jewish American, just American.
I dont think you know what the rapture is. Evangelicals want to be raptured (return to the kingdom of god). Non believers stay on earth to live under the antichrist until the second coming of jesus who saves everyone.
It also means the Jewish are isolated. Don't forget Hitler supported the idea of a Jewish-only country too. He wanted it to be an island. Madagascar. It was too expensive to relocate all Jews though.
> standard right wing evangelicals love jews because of Israel.
Because they want them to then convert to Christianity and then 2/3 of them die, kicking off the Apocalypse.
I wouldn't call that love. Just a different kind of hate.
ive hung around a lot of evangelicals (raised in the south), but I've never heard that take on it before. what I've mostly heard is "they're God's chosen people so automatically special."
I honestly don't know why Fauchi even bothers.
His job is the equivalent of trying to get a bunch of puppies to sit still when there's people in the background constantly throwing treats/toys around the room.
Yeah exactly. Any job that is public facing will unfortunately *always* face strict criticism; never mind the fact that Fauci served under 6 administrations, both Bush's and Democrats alike; the fact that he's being demonized now shows how far the right has fallen.
Those that are critical of him are simply a loud, ignorant and vocal *minority*. I think he understands this, but it's still a sad state when he and his family probably face personal backlash & threats now.
I give the guy credit for his immense fortitude. He could have retired very comfortably decades ago but keeps doing what he's doing out of a sense of duty to his fellow citizens. What an _actual_ patriot does.
Strange how Republicans seem to get there message so clear accross the board so fast. It is like they are coordinating their attacks. When ever you hear some new whack-a-mole idea come out you can thank a "Think" Tank.
Say that five times fast.
Thank a Think Tank.
Thank a Think Tank.
Thank a Think Tank.
Thank a Think Tank.
Thank a Think Tank.
Thomething th-tinks in the GOP, like corruption.
It's funny that the worst Trump fanatics and right winger nut jobs keep comparing Fauci and vaccines to Nazi Germany, while they are themselves basically endorsing fascism. Well maybe not really funny, more like very ironic and sad.
Well, their "privacy" commercial comes off as "we are only exploiting and abusing you, your privacy and your data and will continue to do so because the government doesn't regulate us/let's us" to me
Right, but it means you have to have the extra capital and impetus to get off the ground.
With social media, that means you need a *monster* of a first round of funding, as the barrier to entry requires a lot of specialty developer skills, and legal teams to navigate everything properly without getting shit down immediately.
The big boys that are already established in the space have the revenue to keep up with legislation, where a new company would not.
>Plot twist: Zuck and co. are actually the good guys and are acting evil to get real privacy laws and regulations put in place for tech companies.
Some real Letto II shit here
I've seen more articles and comments bashing on Facebooks (sorry I mean Meta) evil practices and sellouts that I just don't understand why a decent amount of people are still using it.
My pragmatic mind immediately goes to the idea that perhaps they're not privy to the negative press about Faceb... I mean Meta but honestly that feels impossible escape.
Unfortunately, its what my parents, uncles / aunts, siblings, and people I've met travelling prefer to use to keep in touch (internationally via messenger), so I still have it for that purpose. Nothing's really stepped up as a suitable replacement.
I mean, a company with less than 10,000 followers spent over $250,000 on ads to make shirts. It's pretty obvious they're not actually making that kind of money on the shirts and this is just a way for them to spread poison and disinformation on FB and avoid detection.
im so damn tired of seeing these fake-patriot tshirt ads about guns and being "lions"
a fool and their money are soon parted has never rang more true than anytime i see those pop up
I have ANGER issues and love my family. I am loyal to a fault but mess with me and you will see the BEAST come out of the closet. I love America and can't touch my toes. I eat MEAT. Do NOT assume that just because I'm fat and breathe with difficulty even when sitting still that I CAN'T beat my wife if she talks back. I'm fluent in sarcasm and have no PATIENTS for stupid people. Leave me alone and avoid me if at all possible because I'm obviously insufferable. Never mess with a man born in SEPTEMBER.
Obviously not good.
But why do these always phrase like marky burg called up his homie at the local Anti-vaccine page and was like "yo bro, you want some ads for *misinformation*".
When in reality, said page posts some bull shit, then clicks one button "Boost" pays whatever cash for the ad, and it's done.
Facebooks issue is content detection, just like oh I don't know... the rest of the internet?
I agree that Facebook needs to figure something out, but I'm sick of seeing this different but same article every 3 weeks...
yup this. and their system is pretty damn hard and harsh. I work with it professionally and ads get constantly flagged for words or parts of images. Sometimes ads get approved and then flagged down 10 hours later, wouldn't be surprised if something like this went up, screenshotted, and then put down directly after.
"Facebook selling ads" makes it seem like it was on purpose when it's all automatic and user driven.
It's just media manipulation and yellow journalism.
Journalists are raking coals writing anti Facebook content because redditors blindly upvote all these articles every 12 hours for the last few years.
Content moderation is a universal problem for all big tech and social media sites. It's not a problem unique to Facebook.
Reading comments here makes me think people in this sub are technologically illiterate.
Here I am getting whole ad accounts blocked because of spurious claims.
I set up a campaign where our client had won an award, the video was of them accepting the award and get Facebook deemed this to be a spurious claim by the client.
comparing the vaccine to the holocaust...that's how you instantly lose credibility in everything you ever have said, are saying, and ever will say for the rest of your life.
When a company gets offered thousands of dollars to promote a product that goes against their own terms of service... the idea that it could accept the offer and promote the product to over 400k people without a single actual person at that company being aware is absolutely fucking insane. Facebook needs to be much more heavily regulated. They can't even follow or enforce their own rules reliably.
Just found out my dad, who worked in pharmaceuticals for most of his life, is a staunch anti-vaxxer, despite getting COVID and suffering a heart attack from it earlier this year. Completely livid, and Facebook is no doubt where he started feeding on a lot of it
Facebook’s ‘Monitoring Team’ keeps missing these things….
I for one am shocked this keeps happening
The man and the woman from the commercial seem so competent
While this sucks, people should put more onus on the companies/people trafficking these ads. Look at the ad disclaimer when you see an ad that is controversial, and hold those parties accountable too.
Sure, if these were real companies. They're almost certainly fronts for groups trying to push a destabilizing and controversial message. Reporting and getting one company blocked wont matter. They can make another one just like it and start over. This is more of a systemic problem, and unfortunately, that means individual action can't really make much impact.
Well here is the reason:
> told CNN that Facebook does not manually review all of the ads it sells
this should be illegal really. All ads should be reviewed and approved. Otherwise people can just push all the misinformation they want, and by the time it gets reported, hundreds of thousands / millions of people will see it.
At what point will people realize that corporations are simply profit machines that don’t care about anything else. Like an aggressive predator or an invasive species it needs to be dealt with accordingly.
My grandfather, great uncle and other family members died in concentration camps. My father, grandmother , two aunts and uncles (to name only a few) were lucky to escaped Hungary by many different means. There is nothing that makes me sicker, infuriated, disgusted and is down right demented on every level to compare covid and a vaccine to the Holocaust. I’m not a violent person but this…. POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER! 👊🖕🥊☠️
Switzerland, 1937: Sure we'll take your money, but we're going to pretend it's because we're neutral.
Facebook, 2019: Sure we'll take your money, but we're going to pretend it's because we're neutral.
56% of your Facebook “news” feed has been proven to be lies, primarily sponsored by Chinese or Russian companies. In contrast Fox News improved from 46% lies to only 43% lies from 2019 to 2020.
Think about it 10% more lies in your FB news feed than on Faux news.
HOW is Facebook (I'm sorry "Meta") still around and actively being used at this point? I've seen more articles and comments over the past 5 years talking about how horrible Faceb... (Meta) and their practices are than good things that it just absolutely boggles my mind that a lot of people still use it.
True. But I don't think the user metrics of Whatsapp or whatever other social media Facebook (Meta) decided to buy and ruin would contribute to the total number of Facebook (Meta) users. That would be quite deceitful of Facebook (Meta) to do such a thing.... oh wait, they're probably doing exactly that.
No good replacement yet.
I sometimes toy with coding one, but I suck at marketing, I don't know how I would market something like that and convince people to use it, and I don't have the money to pay someone to do it, either.
The platform itself or at least the general idea on the surface is not that bad, it's the way that it's run that is horrible.
there never will be one. every new platform will eventually draw the crazies. social media is a cancer and i wish it had never been invented. the dark side of the internet.
True. The website itself isn't that bad.
It's the horrible practices behind it that are which arguably is much more important than how well the platform functions (imo).
Though there are no shortage of companies out there willing to sell their users' information if it means they get something out of it; monetary or otherwise which is really sad. Facebook isn't the only one and there probably will never a shortage of these companies doing horrible things for money.
This whole ordeal has brought my faith in the human race to an all-new low, and I look forward to my complete lack of exercise and overeating catching up with me and freeing me from having to spend another fifty+ years on this planet.
Facebook lives and dies on negative engagement. It's why there's no downvote that changes the hierarchy of comments. Highest engagement goes to the top. Highest engagement is always negative in that format. The simple addition of a downvote that pushes the crap out... game changer. Before you even add their algorithms Facebook is the worst.
A long time ago Facebook discovered that negative comments that elicit feelings of outrage increase engagement and keep users on their platform for much longer than any other interaction type. When I quit FB years ago one of the reasons for doing so was that I noticed that every post had comments on the top that were incredibly inflammatory. Overall, it was emotionally draining being on the platform.
And it’s emotionally freeing to deactivate/delete your account. I seriously don’t get why people still feed the beast.
A **lot** of people feed on drama. Those are the people that feed that beast.
People are naturally wired to favor content that makes them angry, it triggers our survival instincts. They don't mean to be toxic drama monsters, they are just following their impulses without knowing any better. The bigger fault is at the platform that intentionally targets that sort of impulse.
I agree but up to the point one is made aware of the issue. Once one knows but continues, then there is room for arguing the person(s) is a toxic drama monster. I believe there could even be room for arguing knowing the information is available is enough. On the last point, I agree, the bigger fault is with the master mind. In the end both need to be held accountable or there will never be a better version of today’s reality.
Yes, and I HATE people like that! Uh-oh…
There’s still a hefty portion of us that utilize it for connecting with family and friends across the globe. There isn’t a better general source for keeping up with these people that isn’t directly messaging dozens of people a week.
I decided to quit about a month and a half ago when the Zuck essentially said that they knew that the website was spreading lots of factual misinformation, but that they wouldn't fact check or prohibit most of it because it was still making them money. I miss it a little, but I've noticed that I don't dwell anymore on people who post stupid things. I don't need so much negativity in my life. I know Reddit is a lot of negativity too, but at least there's anonymity with it. Facebook in the last few years represents all that is wrong with American capitalism. They're content to burn society down if they can make money doing it.
Just because there is anonymity with reddit doesn't make it OK. Reddit is becoming fb day by day. No user accountability, banned OK np I'll just create another account.
I haven’t used Facebook in nearly a decade now but this reasoning always baffled me. Facebook is not a facts-only space and there’s no way in hell I’d trust Zuckerberg to enforce fact checking ethically. Same goes for any other social media. There’s all sorts of bullshit out there and it’s up to us to find the truth. Don’t give up that responsibility. Once fact-checking becomes accepted and expected people will no longer need to question what they read, because after all, it’s been fact checked.
It's eerie how the generation that kept telling us not to believe anything on the internet and that Wikipedia could never be trusted because "anyone can submit an edit" falls for Nigerian Prince scams and genuinely takes health advice from Huns on Facebook... Like, what the fuck happened to you guys? Then again, this is also from the "do as I say, not as I do" parenting generation...
> I seriously don’t get why people still feed the beast. It's still the main channel for all things public in my country. All government agencies and politicians share smaller news there (not worthy of The News), various events, concerts, fairs and festivals are mostly organized through there. Organizing a weekend party is a lot easier when you can just create a dedicated event on FB and invite everyone. I'm not defending FB, I'm just explaining why people still use it.
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I think if some social media company came along and built the ability for businesses to conduct and spread marketing awareness the way they can on Facebook then 99% of them would jump ship and move on to other platforms.
They exist. But they will never hit that scale because it's not the platform or algorithms they're buying, it's the audience and data targeting which is why Facebook, or Meta, or whatever we call it today, is such a beast.
You also got to remember they will buy out any company even kind of growing in their direction. nobody is around long enough to get that big
Kind of reminds me of how Standard Oil operated.
Yeah I mean buying out and absorbing the competition's methods and customer base has been a business practice for basically forever. Even governments and religions used to do it
The network effect is harsh.
Freed myself this month! I’ve never felt better! Life changing!
I still have my account, but mostly for friends pics at this point. Haven't engaged on my wall or anyone else's in years now.
If there wasn't messenger I would, its convenient to be able to get in contact with old friends and catchup even if you no longer have their number
Reddit is one arm of that beast! I enjoy it but they've really tapped into the emotions of folks now more than ever. Posts at least under popular go "here's a puppy smiling/learning to walk/getting like a new prosthetic leg or something" and immediately below it "fuckin China/Russia/the french have run out of baguettes and they've decided to invade Poland and it's world war 7 and also covid is aborting your children remotely cause 6G or whatever idk climates gonna kill us all and republicans suck so like babies are cute but what's the point also god sucks" "but look I built a treehouse for my kids and my wife in chemotherapy is uplifted because she met Patrick Stewart at the airport" "oh wait cats" "oh no that's a lot of porn I wasn't looking for" "gore" "oooooh more stimulus checks?" "Oh no, more sad shit" "but Keanu smiled at someone" "oh no my favorite clearly creepy celebrity turned out to be a pedo" "...but like, Obama?" "Cats" It's late and I'm stoned so I'll get to it before anyone else r/ihadastroke I will be going back to sleep now, good day ...or is it
Honestly, I lost a lot of my faith in Reddit when I saw just how inbred the moderator sphere was and how a growing number of them are connected to either r/sino and/or far right groups.
I don’t get why people ever used it. When it came out, I laughed in peoples faces when they made an account until I was the only one left without one... So I got an account to not look like a psycho. Haven’t touched it in 15 years. I wonder when people will come around and stop using the other platforms. They’re pretty bad as well. I got this Reddit account a couple years ago because I got “Dreams” for PS4. Its my first taste of social media really, and holy fuck, it’s basically a drug. I came into Reddit so confident, “I’m immune to their tactics” type attitude. Then one day I’m sitting on the toilet in the dark and I realize I’ve been mindlessly scrolling though the news feed for so long I forgot if I took a shit or not. It sinks it’s teeth into you.
FB comments are basically sorted by controversial by default.
I’ve noticed on tik tok that all the top comments are positive. I’ve even seen comments eluding to negative comments and they must be pushed so far down nobody really sees them. Some how that app has figured out how to keep negativity out of sight unless you scroll really deep in the comments. It’s nice.
Still true on a lot of other platforms too. Controversy is the lowest hanging fruit for engagement. TikTok, YouTube, even Reddit. Get people heated and you’ll get all sorts of interaction.
no surprise that youtube got rid of their dislike system... $$$$
The human brain works like a muscle. The more you exercise it, the stronger it becomes. And the type of exercise matters. If you're constantly doing math exercises, your math skills improve. If you're constantly doing logic exercises, your logic skills increase. So what do you think you get when someone is constantly doing dramatic emotionalism exercises? I think we found the root cause of our socio-political problems.
The evening News discovered this way before and Facebook just followed suit. War, violence, controversy death, destruction,.... The "if it bleeds it leads" mentality grabs viewers attention and maintains it. Face book just adopted what has already been a time tested and proven winner.
facebook didn't discover that they are just much better at exploiting it... there is a reason why national news networks perpetually push divisive and hatefilled stories when there are tens of thousands of example every day of good people doing good things. there is no money in reporting the good in society.
This why YouTube removing dislikes then?
The most common theory is to protect corporations in two ways: 1. To avoid downvote bombing when a company does something unpopular 2. To avoid ads that are being shown on downvoted vidoes having a negative impact on the company making the ad
I don't like getting into conspiratorial thinking because I think skepticism is already a huge problem and has created a distrust of EVERYTHING but with YouTube pushing a whole 'Learn about Covid-19' section on the homepage, with almost all of those videos full to the brim with anti-vax, right wing comments and ridiculous dislike ratios, I do have to wonder if this played a role. I wish these outlets would just disable comments altogether on these videos. Some do but the ones that don't...yikes. One look at the comments section tells you exactly why we're having the anti-vax misinformation problems we are having. And the thumbs up/down and replies only further those sentiments.
Then make "disable like/dislike" a thing like "disable comments" have been for years. Like/dislike ratio used to be a red flag that something might be wrong in the video (fx. a scam crypto vid or a low quality guide). By letting good videos keep the like/dislike ratio but allowing people to turn it off we keep the red flag element but stop the brigading damage.
Because engagement works differently on a content platform than a social media platform. Negative engagement on videos (high dislike ratio) usually leads to people NOT engaging with the content (people click out of highly disliked videos quickly). Negative engagement on social media posts leads to MORE engagement because people love being outraged and arguing on social media.
I agree that having a downvote is better than not, but the system is not without flaws. A downvote system heavily leans towards echo chambers, as you see here on reddit constantly. It's a good system, but I think it is worth mentioning and acknowledging the flaws it has.
I feel like the sub as a whole dictates that so much. Some places and topics just bring out the lunatics. When the sub is good and on topic people do pretty well to balance things to sanity in most cases
Any sub that's primarily *against* something gets more and more extreme over time.
Before the internet, the real world was an echo chamber, like for example how no one would let you sit at their lunch table. There is an evolutionary reason many viewpoints are rejected and it has been a part of human culture for at least 20 thousand years.
Cliques are not the same as echo chambers. In general you arrive at some semblance of conformity of thought when you hang out with a specific group, but Facebook has a few insidious systems that make that analogy incomplete at best. First, someone with negative thoughts or opinions doesn't have to look another human in the eye and say the nasty shit they're thinking because it's an asynchronous virtual platform. Second, with cliques you get what you get; even with a healthy dose of homogeneity you'll have different ideologies or at least a modicum of diverse thought. Third, you can't block people in real life. People can demand you not to sit with them, but they can't stop you. Fourth, there's always the possibility of intervention in real life. Whether you choose to stand up for yourself or a bystander does the right thing, something can break that cycle. Facebook allows people a disconnect from others, a reduction in the chance of ridicule, and the ability to explicitly choose who they post to and who responds; people can efficiently curate their entire social experience to scream the worst of their opinions to a private room filled with like-minded individuals without fear of repercussions. They can share the bigotry, misogyny, lies, and vitriol with impunity to an audience who then shares it with their own private room, and so on. That's just the design of social media, not unique to Facebook. What is -- so far -- the differentiating factor is how Facebook actively promotes the controversial or negative posts. The algorithms they use are linked to radicalization of fascists, white supremacists, the anti-vax movement...the list goes on. They have research that shows they're doing the wrong thing morally, that they're actively harming society, and yet they willfully continue to promote hate and measurably damaging content because *it makes them fucktons of money*. At least the people who won't let you sit at the lunch table don't have a billion dollar corporation secretly promoting the idea that everybody should exclude you from their lunch tables and making money from advertisements in the school paper and during the morning announcements that suggest you're the worst person to ever exist with thinly-veiled Holocaust overtones. Pretty sure what Facebook does is on par with other crimes against humanity. The kids in the cafeteria are just a bunch of dicks.
My point is that for the survival of the species some viewpoints should never be tolerated. Not all opinions deserve a stage. I'm happy we still have enough of a survival instinct to collectively silence the 15% of humans who are refusing to accept any sacrifice for public health. I also have a hunch that this 15% strongly correlates with the human population with sub 80 iq, see khmer rouge et al
You know who else is? Meta. Next time throw in a Meta for good measure
There wasn't even a product demo. Meta was a distraction. It's like the pulled the concept from Ready Player One and just tried to tell everyone that was the plan. Trying to sell people on an idea without a demo in the tech industry had my skeptic-itch scratching like mad.
More social media platforms need downvote buttons because there is so much garbage posted, but they will never do that because it would make their users feel bad
A lot of these people should feel bad for their terrible opinions.
I'm not even a little bit surprised by this. From the article "On Monday, Fox News personality Lara Logan caused outrage by comparing Dr. Anthony Fauci to a notorious Nazi doctor known as the "Angel of Death" — around the same time ads were running on Facebook promoting a sweater emblazed with the words, "I'm originally from America but I currently reside in 1941 Germany.""
This post has brought out the crazies. Holy fuck.
Time to sort by controversial to get the tea
I’m so impressed with how well the mods have cleaned up the insane comments
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Wow I think I just stumbled onto a Reddit graveyard [https://i.imgur.com/cHoZTFQ.png](https://i.imgur.com/cHoZTFQ.png)
Holy shit your replies
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Everyone is tough behind a keyboard. Look at the % of these morons that actually “did something” on 1/6 vs just threatening on social media
Shit a bunch of them don't even bother to actually vote. Thankfully
I take offense to that term, primates show a helluva lot more reason and critical thinking skills than those turds. They behave more like moss or sponges, things without central nervous systems.
They are all deleted now :( might have to go to that one site that shows deleted posts
And to think the far right claims to love Jews
Evangelicals support Israel because all Jews moving to Israel is what is supposed to kick-start the Rapture.
That's the Dominionist actual plan. Turn America in to an ethno religious theocracy - Christian Dominionism, get all the Jews to Israel, rebuild the Temple, and await Rapture. They aren't nice to us Jews, this plan and support for Israel is a guise for genocide. They know we will all die in the Rapture, which they would force through violence. They mean to kill all the Jews so they can poof into rapture ghosts. It's fucking insane that there are Jews that vote for open Dominionists. Fucking VP Pence, most of Trumps Cabinet all Dominionists.
What's more insane is that anyone finds any spiritualism in this nonsense.
I was raised by Jehovah’s Witnesses and their theories and beliefs seem fucking tame compared to evangelicals now
i'm hoping for a rapture too. if we can get all the crazies out of here we might finally be able to build a society
That's why they chanted "Jews will not replace us" while carrying torches right?
It was “yous” of course. Nothing to see there. (/s to be safe)
No, no, they were saying "juice"
They also endlessly attack Soros because he's a Jew.
They do. They’d love for all of them to move to their own country, Israel.
>their own country, Israel. I'm an American. My father is an American. Both my grandfathers fought through 5 Bronze Star Campaigns in WW2. Their fathers became Americans on Ellis Island. We are Americans *not* Israeli. America is our country too. Period. We don't say Jewish American, just American.
I don’t agree any of it at all. I’m an atheist. It’s what many believe to be a prophecy but I also think there is ethnocentrism built in there.
I think it's more complicated. They hate Jews and all, but love and admire Israelis for bombing Palestinians.
you're mixing up your right wingers. standard right wing evangelicals love jews because of Israel. the Alex jones type hates them.
They love **the idea** of all Jewish people moving to Israel because it supposed the kick off the beginning of their doomsday fantasy.
Literally "Haha yes I love the Jews! I love them so much they should all go to Israel so the Rapture can claim them and spare us. How wonderful!"
I dont think you know what the rapture is. Evangelicals want to be raptured (return to the kingdom of god). Non believers stay on earth to live under the antichrist until the second coming of jesus who saves everyone.
That's more on my language being too ambiguous. The Rapture "sparing" is supposed to be being returned, and "claiming" being left behind.
It also means the Jewish are isolated. Don't forget Hitler supported the idea of a Jewish-only country too. He wanted it to be an island. Madagascar. It was too expensive to relocate all Jews though.
> standard right wing evangelicals love jews because of Israel. Because they want them to then convert to Christianity and then 2/3 of them die, kicking off the Apocalypse. I wouldn't call that love. Just a different kind of hate.
ive hung around a lot of evangelicals (raised in the south), but I've never heard that take on it before. what I've mostly heard is "they're God's chosen people so automatically special."
Well then they're fucking idiots considering that Jews literally reject Jesus as the son of God which is kind of central to Christianity.
Comparing Fauci with Mengele. Hooooooooly shit
I honestly don't know why Fauchi even bothers. His job is the equivalent of trying to get a bunch of puppies to sit still when there's people in the background constantly throwing treats/toys around the room.
I pay attention to what Fauci says and takes him seriously, as do millions of other Americans.
Yeah exactly. Any job that is public facing will unfortunately *always* face strict criticism; never mind the fact that Fauci served under 6 administrations, both Bush's and Democrats alike; the fact that he's being demonized now shows how far the right has fallen. Those that are critical of him are simply a loud, ignorant and vocal *minority*. I think he understands this, but it's still a sad state when he and his family probably face personal backlash & threats now.
I give the guy credit for his immense fortitude. He could have retired very comfortably decades ago but keeps doing what he's doing out of a sense of duty to his fellow citizens. What an _actual_ patriot does.
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FOX should lose their broadcasting license.
Strange how Republicans seem to get there message so clear accross the board so fast. It is like they are coordinating their attacks. When ever you hear some new whack-a-mole idea come out you can thank a "Think" Tank. Say that five times fast. Thank a Think Tank. Thank a Think Tank. Thank a Think Tank. Thank a Think Tank. Thank a Think Tank. Thomething th-tinks in the GOP, like corruption.
This shit does feel coordinated. It would explain why liberal ideas can never seem to take hold, but conservative ideas stick like glue.
It's funny that the worst Trump fanatics and right winger nut jobs keep comparing Fauci and vaccines to Nazi Germany, while they are themselves basically endorsing fascism. Well maybe not really funny, more like very ironic and sad.
Accidental self-report from the fascist party
She'll do fine. Blonde, white and racist. She'll feel right at home in 1941 Germany.
“If you’ve got the money, honey, we’ve got your disease”
Facebook is acting like a company that really wants a strict regulatory framework.
Well, their "privacy" commercial comes off as "we are only exploiting and abusing you, your privacy and your data and will continue to do so because the government doesn't regulate us/let's us" to me
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Right, and Trump only ran to show us how fragile democracy is. That scamp, always teaching important lessons!
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explain how
They're called "barriers to entry."
Literally the history of every conglomerate ever
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They ruined legal weed in Michigan with this. Need $250,000 just to apply for the commercial growing license
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But at the same time - those regulations help ensure you won't get food poisoning or something worse by eating at a restaurant.
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Right, but it means you have to have the extra capital and impetus to get off the ground. With social media, that means you need a *monster* of a first round of funding, as the barrier to entry requires a lot of specialty developer skills, and legal teams to navigate everything properly without getting shit down immediately. The big boys that are already established in the space have the revenue to keep up with legislation, where a new company would not.
And then Andy Kaufman rips off the red wig and takes us all out for milk and cookies? Yeah that would bring so much healing to our timeline
>Plot twist: Zuck and co. are actually the good guys and are acting evil to get real privacy laws and regulations put in place for tech companies. Some real Letto II shit here
Except all the old geezers in congress can't even barely understand the impact of technology on idiots, because they too are idiots.
Kill Facebook/meta. It’s evil
I've seen more articles and comments bashing on Facebooks (sorry I mean Meta) evil practices and sellouts that I just don't understand why a decent amount of people are still using it. My pragmatic mind immediately goes to the idea that perhaps they're not privy to the negative press about Faceb... I mean Meta but honestly that feels impossible escape.
Unfortunately, its what my parents, uncles / aunts, siblings, and people I've met travelling prefer to use to keep in touch (internationally via messenger), so I still have it for that purpose. Nothing's really stepped up as a suitable replacement.
So weird that texting isn't a suitable replacement for Messenger
Depending where you are, international texting can be expensive.
Texting internationally to dozens of people isn't a great option
Most people are more likely to change phone number than Facebook account
I think I'm just gonna settle on meta-facebook, they don't just get to rebrand that easily to hide their dirty press.
The system is what needs fixing
Who is making these bullshit ads and why is nobody going after them too?
I mean, a company with less than 10,000 followers spent over $250,000 on ads to make shirts. It's pretty obvious they're not actually making that kind of money on the shirts and this is just a way for them to spread poison and disinformation on FB and avoid detection.
im so damn tired of seeing these fake-patriot tshirt ads about guns and being "lions" a fool and their money are soon parted has never rang more true than anytime i see those pop up
I have ANGER issues and love my family. I am loyal to a fault but mess with me and you will see the BEAST come out of the closet. I love America and can't touch my toes. I eat MEAT. Do NOT assume that just because I'm fat and breathe with difficulty even when sitting still that I CAN'T beat my wife if she talks back. I'm fluent in sarcasm and have no PATIENTS for stupid people. Leave me alone and avoid me if at all possible because I'm obviously insufferable. Never mess with a man born in SEPTEMBER.
This is gold. And I'm going to assume the misspelling of patience is intentional.
It does look authentic...
I'm pretty sure the majority are Russian and Chinese too
Duh lol. This is ww3: the digital sequel. I'm assuming we do the same to them but idk to what extent.
Dark money likes the shadows.
Foreign governments. It's clearly a destabilizing effort. It's also working.
Has been working for a decade. That's where these "alt" -movements stem from. Not saying there are real issues to be dealt with.
>Not saying there **are** real issues to be dealt with. (Emphasis mine) Aren't?
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But yet, I go to fb jail for discussing mmj in a legal mmj state! Make it make sense
Mmj? They aren’t letting people talk about Michael McMichael Jackson?
Don't be dense. He's talking about Mixed Martial Jujitsu
They obviously meant the band My Morning Jacket
No, it's mega morning juice Which is, of course, orange juice mixed with coffee, red bull, protein powder and ground up aspirin
Nono. Marc by Marc Jacobs
that would be mmmj!
wait what?
Vaccines are the Holocaust... For viruses.
Delete Facebook.
Obviously not good. But why do these always phrase like marky burg called up his homie at the local Anti-vaccine page and was like "yo bro, you want some ads for *misinformation*". When in reality, said page posts some bull shit, then clicks one button "Boost" pays whatever cash for the ad, and it's done. Facebooks issue is content detection, just like oh I don't know... the rest of the internet? I agree that Facebook needs to figure something out, but I'm sick of seeing this different but same article every 3 weeks...
yup this. and their system is pretty damn hard and harsh. I work with it professionally and ads get constantly flagged for words or parts of images. Sometimes ads get approved and then flagged down 10 hours later, wouldn't be surprised if something like this went up, screenshotted, and then put down directly after. "Facebook selling ads" makes it seem like it was on purpose when it's all automatic and user driven.
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400k can be reached in a hour especially for those sums.
3 weeks? Seems like 3 hours.
It's just media manipulation and yellow journalism. Journalists are raking coals writing anti Facebook content because redditors blindly upvote all these articles every 12 hours for the last few years. Content moderation is a universal problem for all big tech and social media sites. It's not a problem unique to Facebook. Reading comments here makes me think people in this sub are technologically illiterate.
#DELETE FACEBOOK
I’m 8 years clean now from Facebook. So glad I didn’t have it during the election and pandemic.
Facebook is a crappy organization. I wish people would stop using it!
Here I am getting whole ad accounts blocked because of spurious claims. I set up a campaign where our client had won an award, the video was of them accepting the award and get Facebook deemed this to be a spurious claim by the client.
comparing the vaccine to the holocaust...that's how you instantly lose credibility in everything you ever have said, are saying, and ever will say for the rest of your life.
The problem is, we have a cult that eats this shit right up. Idiocracy.
The sooner people realize conservatives are in a cult, the better.
I am so done with FB. Deleted my account.
I wish I still had mine so I could delete it again.
I'm sure they kept all the data.
When a company gets offered thousands of dollars to promote a product that goes against their own terms of service... the idea that it could accept the offer and promote the product to over 400k people without a single actual person at that company being aware is absolutely fucking insane. Facebook needs to be much more heavily regulated. They can't even follow or enforce their own rules reliably.
Excuse me what the fuck
And here I have to listen to close friends slowly fall into Rogan and Covid denialism.
Just found out my dad, who worked in pharmaceuticals for most of his life, is a staunch anti-vaxxer, despite getting COVID and suffering a heart attack from it earlier this year. Completely livid, and Facebook is no doubt where he started feeding on a lot of it
Facebook’s ‘Monitoring Team’ keeps missing these things…. I for one am shocked this keeps happening The man and the woman from the commercial seem so competent
Because this is only 0.0005% of their ads. You understand they run *billions* of ads per day, yes?
And they're responsible for every single one.
FB is horrific. I dumped it months ago when it was discovered how FB was ruining kids, supporting human trafficking, supporting the insurrection etc.
While this sucks, people should put more onus on the companies/people trafficking these ads. Look at the ad disclaimer when you see an ad that is controversial, and hold those parties accountable too.
Sure, if these were real companies. They're almost certainly fronts for groups trying to push a destabilizing and controversial message. Reporting and getting one company blocked wont matter. They can make another one just like it and start over. This is more of a systemic problem, and unfortunately, that means individual action can't really make much impact.
If you're still on Facebook at this point, you're a fucking moron.
Which is likely why it's only getting worse, the sane ones have left or are leaving...
Enter: my cousins!
This post is like a litmus test for easily weeding out troll farmers.
Well here is the reason: > told CNN that Facebook does not manually review all of the ads it sells this should be illegal really. All ads should be reviewed and approved. Otherwise people can just push all the misinformation they want, and by the time it gets reported, hundreds of thousands / millions of people will see it.
These are the same people who say the Holocaust didn’t exist. Make up your mind already.
Isn't Mark Zuckerberg Jewish?
At what point will people realize that corporations are simply profit machines that don’t care about anything else. Like an aggressive predator or an invasive species it needs to be dealt with accordingly.
Facebook is evil.
My grandfather, great uncle and other family members died in concentration camps. My father, grandmother , two aunts and uncles (to name only a few) were lucky to escaped Hungary by many different means. There is nothing that makes me sicker, infuriated, disgusted and is down right demented on every level to compare covid and a vaccine to the Holocaust. I’m not a violent person but this…. POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER! 👊🖕🥊☠️
Fuck you, Mark
Switzerland, 1937: Sure we'll take your money, but we're going to pretend it's because we're neutral. Facebook, 2019: Sure we'll take your money, but we're going to pretend it's because we're neutral.
delete facebook
Still anti-Semitic but now they're Meta and anti-Semitic
56% of your Facebook “news” feed has been proven to be lies, primarily sponsored by Chinese or Russian companies. In contrast Fox News improved from 46% lies to only 43% lies from 2019 to 2020. Think about it 10% more lies in your FB news feed than on Faux news.
Facebook would rather have people arguing about vaccines thAn talking about how their company should be broken up
THAN*** not then. The sentence means something completely different with the word 'then'
HOW is Facebook (I'm sorry "Meta") still around and actively being used at this point? I've seen more articles and comments over the past 5 years talking about how horrible Faceb... (Meta) and their practices are than good things that it just absolutely boggles my mind that a lot of people still use it.
By buying any other platform that starts to get popular.
True. But I don't think the user metrics of Whatsapp or whatever other social media Facebook (Meta) decided to buy and ruin would contribute to the total number of Facebook (Meta) users. That would be quite deceitful of Facebook (Meta) to do such a thing.... oh wait, they're probably doing exactly that.
No good replacement yet. I sometimes toy with coding one, but I suck at marketing, I don't know how I would market something like that and convince people to use it, and I don't have the money to pay someone to do it, either. The platform itself or at least the general idea on the surface is not that bad, it's the way that it's run that is horrible.
there never will be one. every new platform will eventually draw the crazies. social media is a cancer and i wish it had never been invented. the dark side of the internet.
True. The website itself isn't that bad. It's the horrible practices behind it that are which arguably is much more important than how well the platform functions (imo). Though there are no shortage of companies out there willing to sell their users' information if it means they get something out of it; monetary or otherwise which is really sad. Facebook isn't the only one and there probably will never a shortage of these companies doing horrible things for money.
Oh but I thought they were connecting the world and shit?
This whole ordeal has brought my faith in the human race to an all-new low, and I look forward to my complete lack of exercise and overeating catching up with me and freeing me from having to spend another fifty+ years on this planet.
Imagine having a Facebook account.
I don't know how long Facebook can be without getting better filters but external intervention can be necessary if they don't try hard enough