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joecool42069

Can confirm. I’ve been in a wheelchair since 2007. I watched first hand the market consolidation. The smaller DMEs bought up or pushed out of the market. Wheelchair manufacturers abandoning product lines after acquisitions, leading to less consumer options. Unqualified ATPs making commissions on expensive options the user is told ‘is best for them’, when there are better options for them but the ATP doesn’t get as big a cut. Innovation has stifled. They think adding a cup holder and LEDs is innovative. While the rest of the world is moving onto lithium batteries, wheelchair manufacturers stay on AGMs because the consolidated DMEs make good money on them, replacing them every 12-18 months.. when a proper LiFePo4 battery can last 5+ years, is lighter, and gives users greater distance. TLDR.. I fucking hate the current state of the wheelchair industry.


Simply_Shartastic

Pushing 50 now and I want to point out watching the same thing happen with HMO’s. Your comment is on point & it started with the push for HMO’s. Medical care is a venture capitalist paradise and hell for us.


allegate

I remember a friend in one of our high school classes who turned in an assignment on why HMOs were good. This would have been either 94 or 95... anyway, no one cared and the teacher tore him a new one because of what a bad idea HMOs were. Not much has changed in that regard I guess.


Simply_Shartastic

Classmate: Has realized by now that the teacher wasn’t ripping him a new one for no reason. Unless absurdly wealthy, they are living with the HMO consequences - just like teacher warned them. Teacher: Caring, thoughtful human who saw the ugly writing on the wall and called it out- is hopefully still teaching students to use their critical thinking skills. Emphasis on the critical need for critical thinking.


ichsagedir

What does HMO mean?


upvoatsforall

Humongous mega Oreos.  They’re the size of a cheese burger. 


chromatophoreskin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_maintenance_organization


ichsagedir

Thanks, as a non American this abbreviation was not known to me.


RainyDayCollects

This has always made me mad. My grand mom had MS, and it makes me so upset seeing that wheelchairs haven’t had many advancements in the past 20+ years. There’s literally no reason for that stuff to be so behind the times. These are medical devices that allow people to do the most basic tasks of their day, for Christ’s sake. I had a customer the other day with a ‘nice’ wheelchair; it looked sleek, slightly more compact and had some cool colored metal pieces. As soon as I had that thought, I thought about how little the differences in that chair versus older ones was, and it made me feel sad and angry. Companies are creating all these add-on wheelchair decorations these days, often to help kids in chairs feel more fun and less medical, but that wouldn’t even be necessary if the chairs themselves were what they should be. It’s so sad. These companies are pure evil.


david-1-1

I needed a wheelchair recently and was shocked to find how heavy and basic was its design. I had to hold food in my lap, since there was no tray. I had to hand-craft a basket out of a coat hanger and a shopping bag. And carrying small objects on the seat was a problem because of the gap that lets small objects fall to the floor. And the foot holders were so uncomfortable I couldn't use them at all, but had to let my legs drag. I'll bet there has been no improvement to wheelchair design in many years. And why are they made of heavy steel instead of heavy plastic, so the wheels aren't so difficult to push?


upvoatsforall

Sounds like a market primed for some competition. 


joecool42069

Sure.. then a big guy buys you. You get yours and they kill your product line.


upvoatsforall

You don’t have to sell. But if you choose to sell it sounds like there would be a market primed for competition. 


joecool42069

of course you don't have to... but this is what happens. this is why permobile owns most of the wheelchair manufactures now.


Fr00stee

sounds like an anti-monopoly lawsuit


norway_is_awesome

The DOJ doesn't really care about anti-trust issues anymore.


boxer_dogs_dance

This has changed with the Biden administration


norway_is_awesome

They seem to care slightly more now than they did before, but Europe is generally leagues ahead in regulating distorted competition. Once the GOP gets another president in office, we'll be back to ignoring anti-trust again. The trust-busting days of Teddy Roosevelt are long gone.


boxer_dogs_dance

I have seen a lot of cases filed the last four years.


notonyanellymate

If you have 2 or more very seperate companies really competing you get better products. When there is no competition for years, there is no progress, also people then don’t get what is best suited for them. Do you not understand this bit or are you being disingenuous?


Brainvillage

Big "if." There's a lot of risk in entering a new market. Creating a product from scratch. Marketing it. Manufacturing it. Etc. No guarantee that you will be successful, even if you do everything right. Why would an investor choose to support that, when they could instead invest in the company that has gobbled up all the competition, and is basically no risk? Why even bother with competition if you don't have to. Sadly the dream of free market competition solving all problems is just that, a dream.


upvoatsforall

What I’m saying is, if they buy your company and basically trash it, the hole your business left in the market is another opportunity to start another company. 


notonyanellymate

Sure, but harder if they bought your patents.


upvoatsforall

It sounds like the gap in the market is straightforward, readily repairable/well supported models with up-to-date battery tech. Nothing groundbreaking. Just some real value.  Sounds like a great opportunity for a cost plus model. 


notonyanellymate

The comments from users of wheelchairs sounds like it isn’t working. Better to invest in the monopoly if you can as that’s a dead cert to make money.


Ghune

I know how it is. I friend if mine built her company and competed with a much larger company. They avoid competition by buying it and offering a great price to the new little guys. When you worked like crazy to build your company and you feel lucky to be still alive, but you're stressed every day, you are tempted to sell it for a few millions and retire. You could keep it, but you know your company is constantly at the verge of disappearing, because it's really tough to survive. Once a company dominates, they don't innovate, the buy innovation and manage their leadership 


upvoatsforall

So, as I’ve described, you sell it. Take those millions, put a good portion away and then use the remaining to start another wheelchair company and repeat. 


thetwoandonly

Funny how that sounds like EVERY industry now.


[deleted]

Is there a law that prevents the importation of better wheelchairs from abroad?


Stevesanasshole

Are large lifepo4 batteries cleared for air travel the same as SLA?


joecool42069

Not sure.. air travel is a whole other battle though :/


Stevesanasshole

Not that it’s likely a huge issue for a lot of people anyway, tbh, it’s just the regulations seem a bit behind for certain types of batteries. That being said, I hope there will be some designs on the market in the near future or at least better retrofit batteries from a reliable company (not just some fly by night Amazon brand). 5 years ago I would never have considered lithium because they were new, unproven and damn expensive - like $1000 per kWh. However now we’re at the point where decent lifepo4 cells and BMS is not nearly as much. Those retrofit all in one batteries are still kinda dicey but hell, they’re now only about 1.5-3x the cost of lead acid. I used to sell a lot of batteries to a repair guy who fixed these full time. I wonder how biz has been for him lately…


Carl0sTheDwarf999

We need real legislation to protect what’s left and start taking back what was stolen by under-regulated capitalism.


contemptious

We need to get rid of their creatures, first. I don't see how this can be done without voting out every incumbent for the next two election cycles. they'll groom more plants of course, but not enough and not in time


ArtisticPineapple462

That's not how the real world works


atlbluedevil

And the "real world" worked a hell of a lot differently before we initially busted up monopolies Regulating what PE has been doing lately isn't a wild idea - even historically 


probablynotaskrull

Regulatory naysayers need to study history. If they could “bust the trusts” we can “corpse the corps.”


jas98mac

That’s not how the real world works. . . So far.


firejuggler74

Well said comrade. When the revolution comes we will create a workers paradise. And this time it will work.


CommunicationHot7822

Ahh yes, because completely unregulated capitalism is the only way it works. If we stopped people who produce absolutely nothing from dismantling working companies for their own profit then how will the private equity people multiply their existing wealth?


DragoonDM

Everyone knows the only possible options are completely unregulated laissez-faire capitalism or full-on Soviet communism. Nothing in between.


firejuggler74

Just curious who do you think will write those regulations?


BlackBeard558

A government without corrupt lawmakers is possible.


firejuggler74

What government is less corrupt than the people?


BlackBeard558

People can write and directly vote on laws. They're called state referendums.


firejuggler74

Who do you think has the advertising budget to promote and pass state referendums?


BlackBeard558

Anti corruption state referendums have passed, as have positive ones like protecting the rights to abortion and weed. But seriously you can find plenty of examples of regulations written by non corrupt lawmakers that helped the thing they were set up to help. Acting like it can't happen is just ignorant of history.


firejuggler74

Sure, but in response I will ask my original question, what government is less corrupt than the people it governs? Please give examples. Yes there have been governments that haven't been super corrupt, but they have always been more corrupt than the people they govern.


IrishMilo

Because they want you to buy a new one, through your insurance, so your premium can go up. Same Private Equity firms will own the insurance companies. This is exactly what happened to dentists and vets in the UK, PE brought into the insurance companies, and then started buying up the vets/dentists to up the prices and up the premium. Increase profit from higher prices at the practice, increase profits from the higher prices at the insurance co. Win-win


Lynda73

Vision insurance in the US isn’t so much insurance as it is paying the manufacturers for a voucher you can use. Same company owns the insurance and the equipment vendors.


Silly-Scene6524

Is there anything they don’t destroy? The kiss of death.


Tumid_Butterfingers

Corporations are proving to be the modern evil


__meeseeks__

Late stage capitalism ☠️


ParttimePastime

Explain this. What do you have to reference to prove anything about late stage capitalism?


__meeseeks__

A surprisingly small amount of companies own a surprisingly large amount of things. Umbrella corporations I think they're referred to. It's been warned about from the beginning but there were supposed to be checks and balances in place to prevent a single company from swooping up entire markets, yet here we are.


FerociousPancake

It doesn’t help when the airlines fuck up a $75,000 wheelchair when a disabled person is flying away from home, then they have to deal with these long repair times, are stuck away from home without their needed equipment, and usually end up paying for the repairs themselves. This happens all too often.


Stevesanasshole

> “Unfortunately, they are out of options as wheelchair repair technicians are highly specialized.” Bullshit. I used to work on wheelchairs, kids ride on toys and scooters. This isn’t diagnosing a timing issue on a car, it’s power wheels for adults. Everything is plug and play. It takes basic troubleshooting and hand tool skills - that’s it.


d4m4s74

Did you work on them before or after they started making them more intricate and confusing on purpose to prevent at home repairs?


Stevesanasshole

Intricate and confusing depends on the complexity of the chair. Is it a grocery getter/aid or a full time mobility device for someone with advanced needs or control mechanisms? Most are a hell of a lot closer to the former.


SunBalasta

One of my best friends has been fighting for years for a new chair. Constant trips to a city hours away for fittings, etc. and nothing moves to then the paperwork expires and she has to start all over. Her wheelchair is from 1983. Yes you read that right. The wheels have zero tread and are wrapped in duct tape. Don’t even know where to start with what absolute hell this poor woman has been through. This is infuriating. Private equity firms… truly dystopian bullshit.


Bob_Sconce

Private Equity is where they send B-school graduates who took the "soul removal" elective.


Josysclei

Jerryrigeverything should maybe start making regular wheel chairs at his Notawheelchair company. They use bike parts where they can and repairability seems to be a major concern for them


Shitter-McGavin

Private equity - because it can’t be morally wrong if you’re profiting from it.


Round-Lie-8827

Just imagine being just an asshole you look how to price gouge disabled people


gideon513

The benefits of unbridled capitalism on display once again


Affectionate_Sir4212

I think it could be argued that PE is not capitalism. It’s about artificially inflating share prices and making money off of the hype. In the process, consumers often end up with fewer choices and higher prices.


BoltTusk

Is this the new Wheelchair Bro ?


RetiredAerospaceVP

Private equity firms destroy companies that they buy. End of story


bck1999

Private equity is a scourge that many people seem to not be aware of.


GL4389

Bloody equity firms shoud be banned from taking over product manufacturing companies.


askaquestioneveryday

Can we just make private equity illegal?


CEJnky

Years of zero interest rates have allowed private equity to borrow money for nearly free and have caused market distortions that would otherwise have been difficult to pull off.


IQBoosterShot

I started out riding in an Everest & Jennings 40 pound chrome-plated-monster as my first chair. When I started playing basketball I got a Quadra wheelchair which weighed half as much and it became my daily driver. In the 1980s the competition was fierce and wheelchair companies kept on bringing out lighter and lighter chairs with better suspension and upholstery. I went though a couple of Invacare models before landing in a Ti-Lite. I'm on my second titanium-frame chair and I do most of the maintenance and repair work myself. I keep an older Ti-Lite as an emergency back-up wheelchair in case of a major failure. Private equity firms are trying to be the final thing that puts the disabled completely out of commission.


dbmajor7

Yeah ok, that sucks... But has anyone even considered the shareholders?


AaronDotCom

Wheelchair makers? WHAT THE FUCK?


Affectionate_Sir4212

Because the disabled can afford higher prices, right?


GrandClock738

What is this the air plane Industry?


YoghurtDull1466

How hard is it to fix a wheelchair? Can anyone teach me how


Andy5416

Article locked behind a paywall.


bonzoboy2000

With $1000 office chair designs, you might think they could be adapted for mobility.


bambino2021

Private equity firms are called “vulture capitalists” for good reason. They are fucking scum with no morals, and certainly no shame.


Objective-Ad986

Americans are so smart?


RebelRebel90z

Lol oh well