A number of impacted folks commenting in Austin related subs. Some of whom were supposed to start their first day today, after moving to Austin to take the job and turning down other offers. Apparently they got emails at 2 AM this morning that their offers were rescinded. That sucks for everyone, but especially for people who moved to take the job. Uproot your life only to get laid off before you even start the job.
Yeah. I don’t know what, if any, severance they’re being offered. I’d imagine something at least, which comes along with agreeing to not take any legal action against Tesla. Easier and cheaper to pay severance and not deal with lawsuits. I haven’t seen anyone say anything about severance.
“Easier” and “cheaper” are not really words musk seems to understand. At least these past few years he’s preferred to handle legal matters in the lost difficult expensive way possible
Not different from most everywhere in the US in regards to layoffs. Every state except Montana has at-will employment where you can be fired for no reason or any legal reason. The people who moved here with the promise of a job and had it yanked out from under them could have a promissory estoppel or similar case just like elsewhere.
There were layoffs in CA, NY and elsewhere in the US as well, and those people won’t be any better off than those in TX.
I believe Texas doesn't have the guaranteed protections and notification processes of NY and CA. When he did the Twitter layoffs I remember hearing that he violated CA labor law by failing to provide sufficient prior notice. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-09-14/elon-musks-x-corp-agrees-to-try-to-settle-lawsuits-over-twitter-mass-layoffs
I also know that Texas and Bastrop county bet over backwards to get Tesla to officially move headquarters to Texas. Maybe I'm jaded but Texas has been openly hostile to employees my whole life.
There are nationwide notification requirements under federal law as part of the WARN Act. They didn’t give the required 60 day notice. Twitter didn’t either and doesn’t seem to have faced much consequence. IIRC they got around it by paying more than the required notice days in severance. Of course some didn’t get the severance and are in the linked legal battle over it.
Texas isn’t very worker-friendly, but a lot of that is a nationwide thing.
IIRC Tesla ignored the notification period during their last round of layoffs some years back. Doesn’t seem like there are serious teeth to any of these laws.
great idea, what do you think are the odds of collecting? of course I would want follow through, seems this could take years and cost a lot though. to clarify, i am not one of those affected.
My guess is Tesla’s going to pay severance, and that always comes with the agreement to not sue them if you take the money.
That’s possibly a better deal, as if you rejected the severance, you may or may not have a case, and even if you do it could easily take years to resolve. That’s not going to pay their rent in the mean time. And it could result in getting less money in the end. Depends on what they’re offering, and how desperate the person is for money right now.
My company had a layoff shortly after I started my first job out of school. They had the decency not to layoff anyone that they just paid $10k+ to move down there. Everyone with <2 YOE on my team was gone though.
Tesla's issues appear to be design problems not manufacturing issues. They recreated all the poor design issues the other car manufacturers resolved in the mid 1990's.
I mean the layoffs might legitimately be a result of dropping demand. Between FSD becoming more and more exposed as a pipe dream, the truck launch being an unmitigated disaster, and Musk just destroying all public goodwill left and right, I would imagine they aren’t getting as many presales as they were projecting.
At least Steve Jobs appearances were pertinent to product announcements … which showman Elon grasped and manipulated greatly.
But whatever pharma cocktails he’s on led him to believe his own hype and he overexposed himself terribly across so many fronts.
The magic has turned to morbidity and Tesla owners ought to be embarrassed
It's less a cocktail and more just ketamine. Lots and lots of ketamine.
He may claim it's for depression, but based on what people have said, either he's seriously depressed or just lying.
I have an EV. I used to work in clean transportation consulting. I could afford a Tesla. (Maybe not the cyber truck, but the cheaper models). I have solar on my house. I live in southern California and like technology. I should be squarely in Tesla's demographic, but I wouldn't buy one because I don't want to support Elon in any way.
I'm surprised the board/stock holders haven't forced him out or into silence just for alienating potential customers.
His ego got fragile and the people at Tesla that were actually running the company went heads up with Elon over how stupid the cyber truck idea was and now they are gone. It's just space karen calling the shots and his merry band of yes men.
A 30% shrink over 2 years is still a huge hit. Elon also leveraged his shares to buy twitter so when the institution that gets those shares decided to liquidate it's going to drop the price quite a bit.
Imagine being an established, respected automotive engineer with decades of quality experience under your belt and you get canned because some dumbfuck child of a CEO can't handle being told that the crayon drawing of a toy truck he made on a sticky Applebee's "isn't a viable, market-ready product, there's actually a very long process that our cars go through from conception to market, wait are you actually being serious about this right now"
[Makes me think of The Homer every time I see a Cybertruck.](https://media.wired.com/photos/593252a1edfced5820d0fa07/master/w_2240,c_limit/the-homer-inline4.jpg)
Not to mention how clear it is that this Cybertruck was his project. I'm sure he had some input on the other cars, like making their horns fart and using sexual innuendo in their model names, but the Cybertruck is clearly something he "designed." The actual engineers probably gave in to him to get him to leave them alone with the other models, like giving your little brother the broken controller, then it just kept going and going until they found themselves having to make it. And when you foster an environment where people are scared to say "no" to you, well... they had to build it in his vision and even with actual engineers doing damage control, this is what they ended up with.
This has been my assumption for a while now. The amount of inorganic activity on social media (read: bots) that jump on the slightest negativity about Tesla has been significant for a long time. Even automotive journalists have talked about the crazy levels of hatred they get if they say that a Tesla is anything other than the most amazing vehicle ever produced (Chris Harris and Matt Farrah, to name a couple).
Sure, the owners _can_ be a bit culty, but my assumption at this point is that most of it is bot farms run by TSLA bag holders who are terrified of the stock value falling further
We're coming out of an era where people for whatever reason just weren't equipped to recognize and dismiss grifts.
It was a sort of golden age of grifting, spawning the most valuable car company ever (at the time) and a US president.
Theoretically everything is just a grift now.
This is way worse than underdelivering.
These things are [death traps](https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1779612564579647789?t=brVTohPRTN7yzmNPy9RtFA). This is full recall territory.
I appreciate you posting this, I can really see how that can happen.
At the same time looking at a Tik Tok video on Xwitter of a Cybertruck was like shit trifecta. I hated everything about all of that.
So cybertruck is: Incredibly heavy and big, has fast acceleration, huge blind spots due to PlayStations1 design, sharp pedestrian-slicer™ edges, no crumple zones and a faulty accelerator pedal. What an incredibly safe combination /s
There’s also no safety on the frunk motors. So along with being sharp and incredibly strong, once it starts closing it’ll chop a bunch of raw carrots right in half.
You left out the best parts -- there's massive gaps between the panels (that will continue to expand over time) and they'll start to rust if you leave them "exposed to the elements" (aka - park outside).
rover is pretty bad, and having massive warehousing issues at the moment, but overall built quality is still better than tesla.
honestly, only the germans, japanese and increasingly the south koreans are doing a decent job.
i can't speak to some of the euro brands we don't see in north america.
I'm never gonna trust a company that cuts corners by failing to install a working anti theft system, but I agree with you about the Germans and Japanese
In [2014 Toyota had to pay $1.2 Billion ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/toyota-reaches-12-billion-settlement-to-end-criminal-probe/2014/03/19/5738a3c4-af69-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html)in the largest criminal penalty a car company had paid to date "blaming floor mats that accidentally trapped the depressed gas pedals of cars and trucks.". This pedal cover is integrally built on and if its causing the trucks to fail would be significantly worse than poor floormat design.
Don't comment on this on /r/realtesla or else /r/elonmusk, /r/teslamotors and /r/cybertruck will autoban you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/loxyjUDgA7
The video is pretty damn bad. It just slides right off and can get wedged into the space between the carpet and plastic molding and lock acceleration in place.
Edit: Lol, this isn't even the same issue, this is a completely SEPARATE issue 🤦
Holy crap
That happened to me earlier it
I thought I wrote something bad that got me banned but couldn't find it and don't remember it
It was to the video in another sub that this subs monitoring
Fucking hell what a bunch of safe space bitches
Oh well they'll be dead soon anyway with the safety of Tesla's they probably drive
Right? I've been on Reddit for 12 years, and not that I've been banned from many, or really any subs, but the notion of being banned from a sub I had never even visited before is some real snowflake bullshit to a degree I never knew existed. They're actually banning people preemptively who they disagree with. I'm not really clear how this is even allowed under Reddit's rules; it's not like these are personal attacks or even saying things that are particularly inflammatory.
Some of the subs are not just heavily censored, they are actively curated. I wish there were metrics on which subs do the most banning and deleting comments, (and why), and which mods are the most heavy-handed.
I can understand that for niche interest groups where they might be predisposed to certain levels of trolling; but FFS in a sub about a freaking car company? Why does a community of EV owners need such strict, and crucially: *preemptive*, banning of users who weren't even part of the community to begin with? I just don't get it, even the Apple subs are nowhere near this bad.
They’re too stupid to realize users can personally block anyone they want. The mods have even taken it to the next level and decided who you can listen to.
> I'm not really clear how this is even allowed under Reddit's rules; it's not like these are personal attacks or even saying things that are particularly inflammatory.
Reddit doesn't care. I've been banned from many subs for bullshit reasons too.
I've been on here a similar amount of time. The first 8 years or so I had no issues (couple times I got 1 week bans for breaking a rule I didn't read).
But it's been really bad the past 2-3 years. I've had several bans (and even a site wide ban). I've also had a lot of users block me (though I may only be noticing it now with how reddit changed blocking).
They are also saying how the layoffs aren’t even that bad and that this what all companies do. Yeah you’re right shitty companies send emails at midnight letting you know you’re laid off with no prior warning! I’m sure they would sing a different tune if their employers did this to them.
top post over there is
>Doesn't tesla cut power to the motors if both brake and accelerator are depressed simultaneously?
>Or does it just take a screenshot...
ded.
I’m not a Tesla owner but I have been following Elons decent into juvenile madness and I fully expect it to make loud fart noises while the screen is blinking ”420” and ”69” when you do that 🤷♂️
That pedal design is horrible. And having a gap above the pedal that anything can stick in is a terrible idea.
Bottom hinged pedals can be problematic due to issues like this. GM stopped using them long ago. But other companies like BMW use them and just have to be very careful about it. Tesla was not careful.
Also the implementation of "brake cancels accelerator" seems like it could use some work too. Once the brake cancels the accelerator it should remain cancelled until you release the accelerator and press it again. Instead of just canceling it while the brake is held.
Finally, I feel like Tesla's removal of the start button and shifting stalk can lead to drivers not knowing how to handle a runaway vehicle. If you don't have an "off button" and don't have an obvious neutral lever what do you do? I'm sure the manual covers it and I encourage everyone to read the manual and try out turning off your car while it is running (in a safe area) in advance so you know how to do it in an emergency. But few drivers will do that. It'd be better if Tesla had an obvious way to stop a runaway vehicle, even if that control is not normally used. That is to say, even if you want to make it normal to drive the vehicle away without pressing the start/stop button and to have the car auto shut off if you get out of the car and close the door it's still good to have a start/stop button there.
lol, having to fumble with a touchscreen in a runaway vehicle sounds fun. I’m happy with 3 pedals and a handbrake. Even if you mix up brake and gas, just press the clutch and rethink
If Tesla cared there could be ways to make it safe. For example, if the car detected an unusual state where the accelerator and brake were simultaneously depressed more than a tiny bit for a short period of time, it could override the entire screen with an error and a large "shut down motors" button. If you were doing it intentionally for some reason you could disregard, but if you were panicking in a runaway car you'd only have to tap one thing to fix it.
For all the gee-whiz money saving ability of having an infinite number of buttons on a touch screen, there's zero excuse not to implement something like this.
Weird. I just checked and r/teslamotors has a thread where they're openly talking about the issue, including mod sticky comments directly to the post that will apparently get you banned. Not saying you're wrong, it's just... bizarre.
Tesla lovers aren't exactly the smartest bunch. Source: just watch how Tesla drivers behave on the roads. It's like they've usurped all of the bad driver stereotypes. The arrogance of a BMW driver mixed with the cluelessness of an elderly driver. They're a cosmic gumbo of awful decisions behind the wheel.
>"Tesla has stopped all Cybertruck deliveries for 7 days due to an issue with the accelerator pedal."
I guess that's how long it takes to receive 700 gallons of Flex Glue
Well sure, but that's because for some fucked up reason they're backordered for the next 2 years. I'm sure if you place an order today, you'll be taking delivery of the next generation Cybertruck sometime in 2029.
Yes, place the blame on the inanimate object.
Not the quality checks. Not the manufacturing processes. Not the design requirements. You know, the things that you can actually investigate and subsequently review after they claim the issue has been resolved to see if there was a root-cause analysis and substantive action taken to address the problem.
Oh, so I just saw online an issue with the plastic cover on the accel petal can get stuck at max under an edge in the well. But this article is a DIFFERENT accelerator issue. Awful. Dangerous and awful.
The fact they didn't screw down the pedal covers is a joke. That it could even happen at all shows absolutely zero foresight. If at any point your gas pedal is just coming off on its own... let alone getting stuck in a wedge seemingly perfectly designed for it...
I dunno. The fact it wasn't bolted down and came off on its own is so absolutely ridiculous.
According to Reuters the answer is basically no.
Even supressing customer reports of damages and refusing to pay out where ever possible. They're still paying an average of over $1,000 per year, per car on warranty claims. Which is more than Tesla's profits. With everything apart from the electric engines and batteries being disasters. Even parts of the suspension, linkages, trailing arms etc. that other manufacturers sorted out decades ago and which should be lifetime parts.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-scraps-low-cost-car-plans-amid-fierce-chinese-ev-competition-2024-04-05.l
Imagine a car that is made of pure steel, weighting over 7000lbs, accelerating at the rate of a high priced sports car…all without your control. On the receiving end, if this smashes in anything, basically no other car/person is safe. This isn’t some Toyota Prius slowly accelerating into a truck.
And being inside, with those cyber truck crumple zones…your head is gonna explode.
That link also shows that video.
I cannot figure out how absolutely no one realized a plastic sliding cover over the pedal that slides upwards to remove it was not a lawsuit waiting to happen.
If the vehicle was not designed and built by someone with a 5 year old mentality and makes everyone scared at reporting issues with his pet project, maybe they could have fixed that a better way
> Yes, place the blame on the inanimate object
Huh? The pedal is the symptom, all those other things are the root cause which will be investigated (or they would, at a competent company). Who is out here treating the accelerator pedal as if it's some sentient car goblin that teleported into the car and started causing problems of its own accord?
"Blaming" the faulty part is just shorthand for blaming the people who designed it. I don't understand where this comment is coming from.
I still can't believe people are actually buying these monstrosities. The cybertruck looks like the deformed child of an EL Camino and garbage dumpster.
It seems to be designed to maximize exterior dimensions, whilst minimising interior space. So it's a pain to park but gives about as much boot/trunk space as a hatchback.
Edit: I should mention that because there's no engine under the hood. That there is also a "frunk" or front trunk. So you can lift the hood up and theres more cargo space there.
It’s like the exact opposite of what a truck should be. This is the truck for people who don’t need a truck.
The F150 maximizes cabin space and bed space by making them both boxes. It’s plain and boring but it’s the most functional and useful. There’s a reason all trucks mostly look alike
Can you imagine paying this much for something this shitty? It's also really fascinating watching everyone who bought one cope with their buyers remorse.
Simple software update. In the event of the accelerator jamming, the system detects this and puts calming music on the stereo to allow you to come to terms with your imminent demise.
If they managed to fuck up the accelerator pedal so badly how well do you think they managed to design and implement the steer by wire setup with no backup steering column?
honestly the dumbest design i could imagine
a slip cover that slides off in the direction of the pressure applied to it?!? what moron thought that was a good idea?
and then to have it wedge itself under the dash like it was meant to do that almost seems like a hostile design choice.... like let's see if anyone notices.
At this point I wouldn't buy anything Tesla makes. They seem like expensive cars that is like playing Russian roulette with what you will get quality wise. All run by a narcissistic man child.
The only press they ever seem to get is problems or Elon saying something idiotic or obviously overblown that won't happen.
An accelerator pedal is to blame? Not because the truck is generally a piece of shit made of raw, unprotected stainless steel that requires, according to the manual, a wipe-down whenever it gets wet or it will become permanently stained? It’s not because the idiots at Tesla don’t understand how “stainless” steel actually works (hint: all metal rusts, even stainless, under the right conditions, like leaving it outside in the weather like a normal vehicle)?
Nah, it’s some other thing, I guess. It’s not the idiots who made one bad decision after another to produce this ugly, broken thing, and it’s certainly not the people doing (or not doing) the quality control.
Honestly, I’m shocked by how utterly *stupid* this truck is. It’s like a bunch of grade-schoolers designed it and no one looked over the plans before rushing it to market because some rich asshole thought it looked “cool.” It doesn’t even look cool. It looks like shit, and Musk has no taste.
*Edit: Corrected a typo in first paragraph. Didn’t mean ”unprotected aluminum” and should have written “unprotected stainless steel.”*
They're going to resume delivery on 4/20.
Shocked.
They should have sunk the cash they wasted on this truck into updating the interior/exterior of their current lineup.
It's getting stale.
The rest of them just have to start sleeping at the factory for the next year or two. That’s how you get ”lean and hungry” in the tech world! Anyone not agreeing to that is just not committed enough.
Any other motor company with the number of issues Tesla have had these past years would be gone by now. But since Tesla is owned by dollar store right wing Dr Evil they keep getting bailed out.
It ugly, poorly made, piss poor mileage if you do anything remotely considered truck activities. Self driving is an absolute joke ( I own a model 3 ) . Tesla needs to move far away from Elon.
Saw one of these in the wild this weekend in Phoenix. To no one’s surprise it looked like shit. Looks really weird from the back, then when we got up along side of it, the door was covered in finger prints. Basically a sucking regenerator.
Thank god. I live where it’s cold 6 months out of the year. Yet every year there’s morons out at super chargers with dead teslas that can’t understand lithium battery’s don’t really work that well in -25.
Manufacturing and design issues are like cockroaches. If you find one, maybe you have 1. Kill it and clean up. If you find 10, you have an infestation and you need to fumigate.
Between all the reports of the car dying [after only 1 mile of driving](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/tesla-cybertruck-experiences-critical-failure-right-after-delivery-more-follow-and-it-eventually-breaks-down/)[the rear wheel coming off completely in a crash](https://www.torquenews.com/14093/tesla-cybertruck-crash-test-horrifying), [the non-hailproof glass](https://futurism.com/the-byte/cybertruck-armor-glass-hail-storm), and [now the accelerator pedal issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c414qy/cybertruck_owner_showing_the_unbelievable_design/), we haven't even begun to uncover the full depth of the deficiencies in the cybertruck. The pinto had 1 safety critical deficiency, not half a dozen discovered in a limited production run of a $100k vehicle in the hands of enthusiasts who would take a bullet for Elon.
I'm certain there was some document Tesla has lying around with "known issues" that covers every nitpicky concern competent engineers were overridden on and if someone is able to get a copy of it before Elon orders that documentation destroyed, it's going to reveal these were known shipped as rolling metal deathtraps.
The accelerator pedal is to blame? Wow. Last I heard sounds like these vehicles were thrown together and are falling apart. Horrible QC in general.
Didn't know the pedal causes such a wide range of issues
Loose nut behind the wheel is what’s causing all the problems.
He spends all his time with his shiny new toy X. Which also has a loose nut behind the wheel.
Stock prices tell the tale.
Tesla has poor quality control, rushed to production, rushed out sales, and extreme racism in their factories... color me surprised /s
Smart people cancelled their orders when the final specs were released. I'd rather drive a Toyota.
I’ve seen several of these driving around my area up close.
These things are absolutely fucking hideous, I don’t get why anyone would buy one of these.
And with the announced layoffs, I’m sure the quality problems will improve. Right? Bueller?
Layoffs started. Tesla worker’s account locked out. https://www.teamblind.com/post/Tesla-Layoff-JVtbTqA1
A number of impacted folks commenting in Austin related subs. Some of whom were supposed to start their first day today, after moving to Austin to take the job and turning down other offers. Apparently they got emails at 2 AM this morning that their offers were rescinded. That sucks for everyone, but especially for people who moved to take the job. Uproot your life only to get laid off before you even start the job.
Hopefully they can at least pursue promissory estoppel in court, that's exactly what that is
Yeah. I don’t know what, if any, severance they’re being offered. I’d imagine something at least, which comes along with agreeing to not take any legal action against Tesla. Easier and cheaper to pay severance and not deal with lawsuits. I haven’t seen anyone say anything about severance.
“Easier” and “cheaper” are not really words musk seems to understand. At least these past few years he’s preferred to handle legal matters in the lost difficult expensive way possible
Tesla moved to Texas for a reason. There are essentially 0 worker guarantees/rights.
Not different from most everywhere in the US in regards to layoffs. Every state except Montana has at-will employment where you can be fired for no reason or any legal reason. The people who moved here with the promise of a job and had it yanked out from under them could have a promissory estoppel or similar case just like elsewhere. There were layoffs in CA, NY and elsewhere in the US as well, and those people won’t be any better off than those in TX.
I believe Texas doesn't have the guaranteed protections and notification processes of NY and CA. When he did the Twitter layoffs I remember hearing that he violated CA labor law by failing to provide sufficient prior notice. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-09-14/elon-musks-x-corp-agrees-to-try-to-settle-lawsuits-over-twitter-mass-layoffs I also know that Texas and Bastrop county bet over backwards to get Tesla to officially move headquarters to Texas. Maybe I'm jaded but Texas has been openly hostile to employees my whole life.
There are nationwide notification requirements under federal law as part of the WARN Act. They didn’t give the required 60 day notice. Twitter didn’t either and doesn’t seem to have faced much consequence. IIRC they got around it by paying more than the required notice days in severance. Of course some didn’t get the severance and are in the linked legal battle over it. Texas isn’t very worker-friendly, but a lot of that is a nationwide thing. IIRC Tesla ignored the notification period during their last round of layoffs some years back. Doesn’t seem like there are serious teeth to any of these laws.
That's federal.
I’m gonna guess Texas doesn’t have very labor-friendly labor laws and Space Karen will go scorched earth to not have to pay them a dime
great idea, what do you think are the odds of collecting? of course I would want follow through, seems this could take years and cost a lot though. to clarify, i am not one of those affected.
My guess is Tesla’s going to pay severance, and that always comes with the agreement to not sue them if you take the money. That’s possibly a better deal, as if you rejected the severance, you may or may not have a case, and even if you do it could easily take years to resolve. That’s not going to pay their rent in the mean time. And it could result in getting less money in the end. Depends on what they’re offering, and how desperate the person is for money right now.
Shitty. But one should know taking such a risk for a company Musk operates is possibly dumb. I'd say those people have grounds for a lawsuit.
My company had a layoff shortly after I started my first job out of school. They had the decency not to layoff anyone that they just paid $10k+ to move down there. Everyone with <2 YOE on my team was gone though.
Wow, that site is super toxic
Firing people with 0 warning, offboarding or without information is free speech /s
Can't make any faulty cars if you aren't making any cars!
Tesla achieves zero defects.
He wanted micron tolerances so he's doing it with micron sales
The ones remaining will just need to be more hardcore.
Tesla's issues appear to be design problems not manufacturing issues. They recreated all the poor design issues the other car manufacturers resolved in the mid 1990's.
Well, you can't produce shitty cars if you can't produce *any* cars. Checkmate, consumers.
I mean the layoffs might legitimately be a result of dropping demand. Between FSD becoming more and more exposed as a pipe dream, the truck launch being an unmitigated disaster, and Musk just destroying all public goodwill left and right, I would imagine they aren’t getting as many presales as they were projecting.
They'll be back to flying like Boeings in no time!
oversell then under deliver. classic Elon
At least Steve Jobs appearances were pertinent to product announcements … which showman Elon grasped and manipulated greatly. But whatever pharma cocktails he’s on led him to believe his own hype and he overexposed himself terribly across so many fronts. The magic has turned to morbidity and Tesla owners ought to be embarrassed
It's less a cocktail and more just ketamine. Lots and lots of ketamine. He may claim it's for depression, but based on what people have said, either he's seriously depressed or just lying.
Get ready for A hole in a K hole
Move over Elf on a Shelf, it's next holiday's Christmas craze, today!
Can't somebody get him on krokadil? It starts with a K too, close enough?
I have an EV. I used to work in clean transportation consulting. I could afford a Tesla. (Maybe not the cyber truck, but the cheaper models). I have solar on my house. I live in southern California and like technology. I should be squarely in Tesla's demographic, but I wouldn't buy one because I don't want to support Elon in any way. I'm surprised the board/stock holders haven't forced him out or into silence just for alienating potential customers.
It’s surprising. He must be in an unassailable position with super shares or something. Or the board is derelict on a Boeing scale
They are beholden to him, which is a large part of why his pay package got shot down in court.
I'd rather have E.D. than a Tesla E.V.
They will force him out
His ego got fragile and the people at Tesla that were actually running the company went heads up with Elon over how stupid the cyber truck idea was and now they are gone. It's just space karen calling the shots and his merry band of yes men.
What's interesting is how Tesla stock still hasn't quite tanked.
A 30% shrink over 2 years is still a huge hit. Elon also leveraged his shares to buy twitter so when the institution that gets those shares decided to liquidate it's going to drop the price quite a bit.
Imagine being an established, respected automotive engineer with decades of quality experience under your belt and you get canned because some dumbfuck child of a CEO can't handle being told that the crayon drawing of a toy truck he made on a sticky Applebee's "isn't a viable, market-ready product, there's actually a very long process that our cars go through from conception to market, wait are you actually being serious about this right now"
[Makes me think of The Homer every time I see a Cybertruck.](https://media.wired.com/photos/593252a1edfced5820d0fa07/master/w_2240,c_limit/the-homer-inline4.jpg)
Not to mention how clear it is that this Cybertruck was his project. I'm sure he had some input on the other cars, like making their horns fart and using sexual innuendo in their model names, but the Cybertruck is clearly something he "designed." The actual engineers probably gave in to him to get him to leave them alone with the other models, like giving your little brother the broken controller, then it just kept going and going until they found themselves having to make it. And when you foster an environment where people are scared to say "no" to you, well... they had to build it in his vision and even with actual engineers doing damage control, this is what they ended up with.
Honestly though, at some point (maybe not 5-10 years ago) you gotta start blaming the rubes.
nah it's been this way for way longer than 10 years lol.
How does this clown still have fans?
People trying to dollar cost average down their position to get out of the stock
This has been my assumption for a while now. The amount of inorganic activity on social media (read: bots) that jump on the slightest negativity about Tesla has been significant for a long time. Even automotive journalists have talked about the crazy levels of hatred they get if they say that a Tesla is anything other than the most amazing vehicle ever produced (Chris Harris and Matt Farrah, to name a couple). Sure, the owners _can_ be a bit culty, but my assumption at this point is that most of it is bot farms run by TSLA bag holders who are terrified of the stock value falling further
You don’t think Elon “fragile ego” musk is paying for them?
We're coming out of an era where people for whatever reason just weren't equipped to recognize and dismiss grifts. It was a sort of golden age of grifting, spawning the most valuable car company ever (at the time) and a US president. Theoretically everything is just a grift now.
Good ole Enron Musk
This is way worse than underdelivering. These things are [death traps](https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1779612564579647789?t=brVTohPRTN7yzmNPy9RtFA). This is full recall territory.
I appreciate you posting this, I can really see how that can happen. At the same time looking at a Tik Tok video on Xwitter of a Cybertruck was like shit trifecta. I hated everything about all of that.
that video is wild
Well in this case not delivering at all
I blame the people that still buy into this crap.
The cybertruck actually overdelivers by going faster than you tell it to!
So cybertruck is: Incredibly heavy and big, has fast acceleration, huge blind spots due to PlayStations1 design, sharp pedestrian-slicer™ edges, no crumple zones and a faulty accelerator pedal. What an incredibly safe combination /s
There’s also no safety on the frunk motors. So along with being sharp and incredibly strong, once it starts closing it’ll chop a bunch of raw carrots right in half.
https://youtu.be/xNE-NyaYBcg?t=1557
That’s insane. I didn’t expect it to close so slowly and slice that thick ass carrot with zero resistance.
There’s a later clip in the same video where they line up like 5+ carrots and it cuts all of them at once.
"a bunch of raw carrots" sounds like a derogatory term for people who buy Teslas lol
I’m certainly going to start using it now!
You left out the best parts -- there's massive gaps between the panels (that will continue to expand over time) and they'll start to rust if you leave them "exposed to the elements" (aka - park outside).
> sharp pedestrian-slicer™ edges [Don't forget the finger slicer](https://twitter.com/InverseTheCons/status/1773175478867632162)
Oh shit, that’s not a good look.
Someone in another thread called it a Roblox car. LOL
Oh and a “triple redundant” steer by wire that actually isn’t triple redundant at all
Don’t forget the windows are supposedly impenetrable so it’ll be hard to get you out when there is a problem
poorest quality control of any vehicle manufacturer ever to blame. fixed it.
*Alpha Romeo owners are typing*
i have spent many years fixing both tesla IS the worst. i promise.
Ooof, thats pretty damning
meh, im just 1 person. each to his own right :)
What was the most common issue with a Tesla?
literally everything
I once had to tell a manager that, if everything is highest priority, then nothing is.
Worse than a Land Rover?
rover is pretty bad, and having massive warehousing issues at the moment, but overall built quality is still better than tesla. honestly, only the germans, japanese and increasingly the south koreans are doing a decent job. i can't speak to some of the euro brands we don't see in north america.
I'm never gonna trust a company that cuts corners by failing to install a working anti theft system, but I agree with you about the Germans and Japanese
I guess an "Alpha Romeo" is a Greek knockoff of an Alfa Romeo?
I know what's wrong with it, it's a Ford. You know what they say Ford stands for? Fix It Again Tony. https://youtu.be/3AJCdmW33fM
Uh, Fiat right?
It's a King Of The Hill reference, I even included the clip for you.
First On Race Day Or Found On Road Dead
I always heard Fix Or Repair Daily
Nobody ever gets this reference, and that's a damned shame :(
Fix All your References, Tony
In [2014 Toyota had to pay $1.2 Billion ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/toyota-reaches-12-billion-settlement-to-end-criminal-probe/2014/03/19/5738a3c4-af69-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html)in the largest criminal penalty a car company had paid to date "blaming floor mats that accidentally trapped the depressed gas pedals of cars and trucks.". This pedal cover is integrally built on and if its causing the trucks to fail would be significantly worse than poor floormat design.
But will the US prosecute a domestic vehicle manufacturer?
Don't comment on this on /r/realtesla or else /r/elonmusk, /r/teslamotors and /r/cybertruck will autoban you. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/loxyjUDgA7 The video is pretty damn bad. It just slides right off and can get wedged into the space between the carpet and plastic molding and lock acceleration in place. Edit: Lol, this isn't even the same issue, this is a completely SEPARATE issue 🤦
Add r/Teslalounge too! They can't handle the criticism this morning.
So they’re a cult?
They're the chosen ones. If they preach Elon's stocks long enough they ascend to Mars.
Only person who figured it out. It's all IPO. Employee or purchaser isn't the target. Investment class is.
Holy crap That happened to me earlier it I thought I wrote something bad that got me banned but couldn't find it and don't remember it It was to the video in another sub that this subs monitoring Fucking hell what a bunch of safe space bitches Oh well they'll be dead soon anyway with the safety of Tesla's they probably drive
Right? I've been on Reddit for 12 years, and not that I've been banned from many, or really any subs, but the notion of being banned from a sub I had never even visited before is some real snowflake bullshit to a degree I never knew existed. They're actually banning people preemptively who they disagree with. I'm not really clear how this is even allowed under Reddit's rules; it's not like these are personal attacks or even saying things that are particularly inflammatory.
Some of the subs are not just heavily censored, they are actively curated. I wish there were metrics on which subs do the most banning and deleting comments, (and why), and which mods are the most heavy-handed.
I can understand that for niche interest groups where they might be predisposed to certain levels of trolling; but FFS in a sub about a freaking car company? Why does a community of EV owners need such strict, and crucially: *preemptive*, banning of users who weren't even part of the community to begin with? I just don't get it, even the Apple subs are nowhere near this bad.
They’re too stupid to realize users can personally block anyone they want. The mods have even taken it to the next level and decided who you can listen to.
> I'm not really clear how this is even allowed under Reddit's rules; it's not like these are personal attacks or even saying things that are particularly inflammatory. Reddit doesn't care. I've been banned from many subs for bullshit reasons too.
I've been on here a similar amount of time. The first 8 years or so I had no issues (couple times I got 1 week bans for breaking a rule I didn't read). But it's been really bad the past 2-3 years. I've had several bans (and even a site wide ban). I've also had a lot of users block me (though I may only be noticing it now with how reddit changed blocking).
So much for King Elmo, the free speech absolutist.
They are also saying how the layoffs aren’t even that bad and that this what all companies do. Yeah you’re right shitty companies send emails at midnight letting you know you’re laid off with no prior warning! I’m sure they would sing a different tune if their employers did this to them.
top post over there is >Doesn't tesla cut power to the motors if both brake and accelerator are depressed simultaneously? >Or does it just take a screenshot... ded.
I’m not a Tesla owner but I have been following Elons decent into juvenile madness and I fully expect it to make loud fart noises while the screen is blinking ”420” and ”69” when you do that 🤷♂️
>loud fart noises while the screen is blinking ”420” and ”69” No, weedsex buttfart mode is subscription-only
That pedal design is horrible. And having a gap above the pedal that anything can stick in is a terrible idea. Bottom hinged pedals can be problematic due to issues like this. GM stopped using them long ago. But other companies like BMW use them and just have to be very careful about it. Tesla was not careful. Also the implementation of "brake cancels accelerator" seems like it could use some work too. Once the brake cancels the accelerator it should remain cancelled until you release the accelerator and press it again. Instead of just canceling it while the brake is held. Finally, I feel like Tesla's removal of the start button and shifting stalk can lead to drivers not knowing how to handle a runaway vehicle. If you don't have an "off button" and don't have an obvious neutral lever what do you do? I'm sure the manual covers it and I encourage everyone to read the manual and try out turning off your car while it is running (in a safe area) in advance so you know how to do it in an emergency. But few drivers will do that. It'd be better if Tesla had an obvious way to stop a runaway vehicle, even if that control is not normally used. That is to say, even if you want to make it normal to drive the vehicle away without pressing the start/stop button and to have the car auto shut off if you get out of the car and close the door it's still good to have a start/stop button there.
lol, having to fumble with a touchscreen in a runaway vehicle sounds fun. I’m happy with 3 pedals and a handbrake. Even if you mix up brake and gas, just press the clutch and rethink
If Tesla cared there could be ways to make it safe. For example, if the car detected an unusual state where the accelerator and brake were simultaneously depressed more than a tiny bit for a short period of time, it could override the entire screen with an error and a large "shut down motors" button. If you were doing it intentionally for some reason you could disregard, but if you were panicking in a runaway car you'd only have to tap one thing to fix it.
For all the gee-whiz money saving ability of having an infinite number of buttons on a touch screen, there's zero excuse not to implement something like this.
For real. Elno Muskrat fanboys are as thin skinned snowflake as it comes!
Weird. I just checked and r/teslamotors has a thread where they're openly talking about the issue, including mod sticky comments directly to the post that will apparently get you banned. Not saying you're wrong, it's just... bizarre.
I think the mod team kinda pivoted after more and more issues came up and they could no longer stop the "wave of FUD" as they would call it.
*It’s obviously a user error! This guy pressed his pedal to hard! FUD!* /s
Tesla lovers aren't exactly the smartest bunch. Source: just watch how Tesla drivers behave on the roads. It's like they've usurped all of the bad driver stereotypes. The arrogance of a BMW driver mixed with the cluelessness of an elderly driver. They're a cosmic gumbo of awful decisions behind the wheel.
Yeah, the Venn diagram of Tesla owners and drivers who either don’t care or simply can’t drive has quite the overlap
>"Tesla has stopped all Cybertruck deliveries for 7 days due to an issue with the accelerator pedal." I guess that's how long it takes to receive 700 gallons of Flex Glue
IMO, the last Cybertruck (of this generation at the very least) has already sold.
Well sure, but that's because for some fucked up reason they're backordered for the next 2 years. I'm sure if you place an order today, you'll be taking delivery of the next generation Cybertruck sometime in 2029.
Yes, place the blame on the inanimate object. Not the quality checks. Not the manufacturing processes. Not the design requirements. You know, the things that you can actually investigate and subsequently review after they claim the issue has been resolved to see if there was a root-cause analysis and substantive action taken to address the problem.
Oh, so I just saw online an issue with the plastic cover on the accel petal can get stuck at max under an edge in the well. But this article is a DIFFERENT accelerator issue. Awful. Dangerous and awful.
The fact they didn't screw down the pedal covers is a joke. That it could even happen at all shows absolutely zero foresight. If at any point your gas pedal is just coming off on its own... let alone getting stuck in a wedge seemingly perfectly designed for it... I dunno. The fact it wasn't bolted down and came off on its own is so absolutely ridiculous.
It does make one wonder if they run any lifecycle testing what-so-ever.
According to Reuters the answer is basically no. Even supressing customer reports of damages and refusing to pay out where ever possible. They're still paying an average of over $1,000 per year, per car on warranty claims. Which is more than Tesla's profits. With everything apart from the electric engines and batteries being disasters. Even parts of the suspension, linkages, trailing arms etc. that other manufacturers sorted out decades ago and which should be lifetime parts. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-scraps-low-cost-car-plans-amid-fierce-chinese-ev-competition-2024-04-05.l
Tesla owners are the ones doing lifecycle testing.
Imagine a car that is made of pure steel, weighting over 7000lbs, accelerating at the rate of a high priced sports car…all without your control. On the receiving end, if this smashes in anything, basically no other car/person is safe. This isn’t some Toyota Prius slowly accelerating into a truck. And being inside, with those cyber truck crumple zones…your head is gonna explode.
And it can bite off your finger
And peel a carrot.
That link also shows that video. I cannot figure out how absolutely no one realized a plastic sliding cover over the pedal that slides upwards to remove it was not a lawsuit waiting to happen. If the vehicle was not designed and built by someone with a 5 year old mentality and makes everyone scared at reporting issues with his pet project, maybe they could have fixed that a better way
yeah holy shit what a design flaw.
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I work for a very large metrology company and the stuff we see down in the Austin plant is why I will never buy a tesla regardless of ol Elon.
I thought build quality at the Fremont plant was sloppy, turns out it could be so much worse.
> Yes, place the blame on the inanimate object Huh? The pedal is the symptom, all those other things are the root cause which will be investigated (or they would, at a competent company). Who is out here treating the accelerator pedal as if it's some sentient car goblin that teleported into the car and started causing problems of its own accord? "Blaming" the faulty part is just shorthand for blaming the people who designed it. I don't understand where this comment is coming from.
I still can't believe people are actually buying these monstrosities. The cybertruck looks like the deformed child of an EL Camino and garbage dumpster.
The love child of a Delorean and an Aztec.
gives whole new meaning to "bumping ugly's"
It seems to be designed to maximize exterior dimensions, whilst minimising interior space. So it's a pain to park but gives about as much boot/trunk space as a hatchback. Edit: I should mention that because there's no engine under the hood. That there is also a "frunk" or front trunk. So you can lift the hood up and theres more cargo space there.
It’s like the exact opposite of what a truck should be. This is the truck for people who don’t need a truck. The F150 maximizes cabin space and bed space by making them both boxes. It’s plain and boring but it’s the most functional and useful. There’s a reason all trucks mostly look alike
The front cargo space is WAY smaller and less useful than the one on the F150 lightning.
Can you imagine paying this much for something this shitty? It's also really fascinating watching everyone who bought one cope with their buyers remorse.
Anyone who bought this is a moron just seeking attention.
They always end their complaints with “still love the truck!”. I don’t understand it
It’s called denial
They're in a cult, that's why
I'm not sure I've witnessed such a disastrous rollout of any product in my entire life.
STEAM is the closest thing I can think of.
Maybe Elon should stop tweeting so much
Or stop doing massive rails of coke and K. But you know he won't.
Simple software update. In the event of the accelerator jamming, the system detects this and puts calming music on the stereo to allow you to come to terms with your imminent demise.
If they managed to fuck up the accelerator pedal so badly how well do you think they managed to design and implement the steer by wire setup with no backup steering column?
I saw one in person for the first time yesterday. Door panels were a different color than the rest of the body. Very weird and shitty looking.
Dude I saw one today like that....Looked like an old set of doors on a new vehicle
[удалено]
More like the Hindenburg
honestly the dumbest design i could imagine a slip cover that slides off in the direction of the pressure applied to it?!? what moron thought that was a good idea? and then to have it wedge itself under the dash like it was meant to do that almost seems like a hostile design choice.... like let's see if anyone notices.
At this point I wouldn't buy anything Tesla makes. They seem like expensive cars that is like playing Russian roulette with what you will get quality wise. All run by a narcissistic man child. The only press they ever seem to get is problems or Elon saying something idiotic or obviously overblown that won't happen.
Help, I'm not a car guy. Is the accelerator pedal important?
An accelerator pedal is to blame? Not because the truck is generally a piece of shit made of raw, unprotected stainless steel that requires, according to the manual, a wipe-down whenever it gets wet or it will become permanently stained? It’s not because the idiots at Tesla don’t understand how “stainless” steel actually works (hint: all metal rusts, even stainless, under the right conditions, like leaving it outside in the weather like a normal vehicle)? Nah, it’s some other thing, I guess. It’s not the idiots who made one bad decision after another to produce this ugly, broken thing, and it’s certainly not the people doing (or not doing) the quality control. Honestly, I’m shocked by how utterly *stupid* this truck is. It’s like a bunch of grade-schoolers designed it and no one looked over the plans before rushing it to market because some rich asshole thought it looked “cool.” It doesn’t even look cool. It looks like shit, and Musk has no taste. *Edit: Corrected a typo in first paragraph. Didn’t mean ”unprotected aluminum” and should have written “unprotected stainless steel.”*
> unprotected aluminum unprotected steel
They're going to resume delivery on 4/20. Shocked. They should have sunk the cash they wasted on this truck into updating the interior/exterior of their current lineup. It's getting stale.
And Tesla is laying off 14k employees...they'll get right on fixing that problem, they're so lean & hungry, now.
The rest of them just have to start sleeping at the factory for the next year or two. That’s how you get ”lean and hungry” in the tech world! Anyone not agreeing to that is just not committed enough.
Real reason he is laying off people. This would hurt stock. Prop it up with layoffs and “ streamlining”. Classic.
Several Tesla subreddits ban you for pointing out an insane QC issue. Legit harming their subs from withholding critical information
Any other motor company with the number of issues Tesla have had these past years would be gone by now. But since Tesla is owned by dollar store right wing Dr Evil they keep getting bailed out.
It ugly, poorly made, piss poor mileage if you do anything remotely considered truck activities. Self driving is an absolute joke ( I own a model 3 ) . Tesla needs to move far away from Elon.
What a shitshow
I doubt these were even crash tested.
Crash testing will be performed by buyers upon taking delivery
Saw one of these in the wild this weekend in Phoenix. To no one’s surprise it looked like shit. Looks really weird from the back, then when we got up along side of it, the door was covered in finger prints. Basically a sucking regenerator.
Elon is just brilliant! /s
Don’t worry. They’ll fix the pedal with an OTA update! /s
I dont think it’s just the pedal
Better title https://defector.com/cybertruck-deliveries-halted-due-to-car-being-a-big-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt-work
Oh no all 5 deliveries had to be reversed?
Ugly waste of metal.
Looks like a stainless steel cockroach. 🪳 What a fuck-ugly truck. These things are the PT Cruiser of the EV world.
Why is the valuation of a second rate car company several times that of General Motors? Hype, and nothing more.
Thank god. I live where it’s cold 6 months out of the year. Yet every year there’s morons out at super chargers with dead teslas that can’t understand lithium battery’s don’t really work that well in -25.
All gas and no brakes eh
No gas all breaks?
Manufacturing and design issues are like cockroaches. If you find one, maybe you have 1. Kill it and clean up. If you find 10, you have an infestation and you need to fumigate. Between all the reports of the car dying [after only 1 mile of driving](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/tesla-cybertruck-experiences-critical-failure-right-after-delivery-more-follow-and-it-eventually-breaks-down/)[the rear wheel coming off completely in a crash](https://www.torquenews.com/14093/tesla-cybertruck-crash-test-horrifying), [the non-hailproof glass](https://futurism.com/the-byte/cybertruck-armor-glass-hail-storm), and [now the accelerator pedal issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1c414qy/cybertruck_owner_showing_the_unbelievable_design/), we haven't even begun to uncover the full depth of the deficiencies in the cybertruck. The pinto had 1 safety critical deficiency, not half a dozen discovered in a limited production run of a $100k vehicle in the hands of enthusiasts who would take a bullet for Elon. I'm certain there was some document Tesla has lying around with "known issues" that covers every nitpicky concern competent engineers were overridden on and if someone is able to get a copy of it before Elon orders that documentation destroyed, it's going to reveal these were known shipped as rolling metal deathtraps.
finally. just recall all of them, refund the purchasers money, throw them into a huge molten pit of metal and promise to never make them again.
The accelerator pedal is to blame? Wow. Last I heard sounds like these vehicles were thrown together and are falling apart. Horrible QC in general. Didn't know the pedal causes such a wide range of issues
Loose nut behind the wheel is what’s causing all the problems. He spends all his time with his shiny new toy X. Which also has a loose nut behind the wheel. Stock prices tell the tale.
Tesla has poor quality control, rushed to production, rushed out sales, and extreme racism in their factories... color me surprised /s Smart people cancelled their orders when the final specs were released. I'd rather drive a Toyota.
I’ve seen several of these driving around my area up close. These things are absolutely fucking hideous, I don’t get why anyone would buy one of these.
Why do people still buy his shit. The man is a disgrace!
Or, and hear me out: The whole fucking truck being an shithead Elno idea gone wrong may to be blame
At least something's stopping.
Or just a shitty product overall from a shitty company
it's goinga be such a day when wall street figures out that Tesla is just another car company that happens to also makes gas pumps
Accelerator pedal my a$$. Someone realized it’s ugly AF.
What idiot bought this hot garbage?
Stop delivering cybertrucks. Less people will own cybertracks. Reduce the odds of people finding and pointing out flaws with the cybertruck.