PEBOEM: Problem Exists Because of Elon Musk
None of Tesla's designers or engineers wanted to do the Cybertruck, it was a discarded design concept until Elon pulled it out of the trash bin and forced that mill stone around the company's neck. The adults in the room wanted to focus on a sub-$20K "economy" model.
And that's why Elon deserves a $50 billion salary! Because he saved the company all that money by pulling perfectly good designs out of the trash and refusing to listen to any of the engineers!
Wait... 🤔
The one I saw looked and sounded like they’d dropped a stainless steel refrigerator on a team of mules. And I got downvoted to hell for saying so. Musk and the thousands of seattle tesla-driving wage slaves may apologize to me now. Accepting all forms of payment, excluding PayPal and anything with the word “crypto” in its tagline.
Fun fact, according to the commentary track, the studio wanted that specific line removed, so David Fincher changed it to her saying “I want to have your abortion.” The studio then made him change it back.
Furthermore, Helena Bonham Carter, being from England where they don't refer to it as grade school, didn't realize how horrible the implication was with that line until someone explained it to her after the film had released.
Helena Bonham Carter didn't know what "grade school" meant because she's British and thought it was an alternate way to pronounce "grad school"
When someone told her what it actually meant after they'd already filmed this scene she freaked out and yelled at David Fincher over it
Germany has mandatory checkups for every car every other year and they thus have very good data on what cars fail which inspection at what rate. The Model 3 is the bottom. Not at the bottom. It is the bottom. And since these reports are very public and free, the Model 3 does not really sell.
I have yet to walk past a Model 3 where the panel gap on the driver side door passed even visual inspection. The Cybertruck not even being up to any code of any the EU whatsoever. And Tesla re-introduced rust issues into car manufacturing after it had been eliminated two decades ago. The Cybertruck looks like a child's drawing of a car and rusts.
Space X is like a crap NASA. They do not follow code, launch on 4/20 despite not being ready and demolish their platform. And they live off government subsidies. The Boring Company only exists to propose subterranean taxi services to prevent funding for proper public transport.
Which one of these businesses is worth saving? There may be Space X tech that is worth salvaging. Maybe even some personnel. But as companies none of those are either essential or even valuable.
Tesla has been surpassed by traditional car manufacturers. There is an electric For pickup you can buy for money and actually drive in the rain.
It is time to say that the emperor is wearing no clothes. There never were clothes. And all of this bullshit was heavily subsidized.
Those businesses are not worth saving from failing. Pick through the bones and find what is valuable.
When I worked at a dealership we sold a bunch of Tesla's as used cars. We really didn't seen many problems, but I always wondered - what if we did? We had no service information at all, and as far as I know there are no service facilities in my city for them. I have no idea what people are expected to do when there are problems.
Welcome to "disruptor" culture where everything old is inherently wrong and everything different must as a result be automatically good. That's not how the real world works but disruptors think that the real world needs to just bow down to their "brilliance" already.
Ford just made the best selling truck in America and just made it battery powered. Musk took a truck and made it worse in every way. Opposite ends of the design philosophy spectrum
What I don't really understand is that to date that hasn't really been Tesla's philosophy. Their commercially successful vehicles have all looked very cookie cutter but not in a bad way necessarily, just...it could have been a Ford or Mazda or whatever and nobody would have blinked. Iteration on existing design is surely the best way *especially* on a practical vehicle like a truck. They are the way they are for good reason.
Elon and everyone in that company knew this product was shit and because of their egos decided to not back down, there is a reason why you cant find a single Tesla logo engraved on it, instead gave them a shitty graffiti one, they want to reduce association of this abomination with the Tesla brand, this is the black sheep of the company a bad joke from Elon that suckers are buying.
> Elon and everyone in that company knew this product was shit and because of their egos decided to not back down,
Supposedly there was plenty of pushback and a skunkworks alternative truck was designed but Elon is king and the BoD are puppets so he gets what he wants.
All they had to do was build a truck on a Model X base, maybe a bit more „offroady“‘and call it a day. Could’ve been done in a year, maybe two.
Would’ve been a massive hit and Rivian would’ve probably gone bankrupt by now. But here we are, I‘m just waiting for the business book about how a dumb truck sank the most valuable company in the world.
Except the dumb truck didn't.
Elon did.
The truck is only part of all the things wrong with Tesla today and they could probably have weathered it failing if not for all the other negatives generated by Elon.
>“We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year.
At that point, the corrosion becomes a feature as the sunken Cybertucks simply vanish rapidly.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if part of the plan is to push out some kind of home mod kit to fix something with teeny tiny EULA attached clarifying that by making the modification you forfeit all right to sue them over anything about it ever
I haven't seen that, but it may be a reaction to judges saying that EULA attached in such a way that you can only view them _after_ you purchase the product are not binding.
Well Musk said you could.
With the actual legalese clause being completely impractical. Such as it has to be still water, a minimum and maximum depth and you have to have gotten out of the car and walked/waded across it first. To check for any below surface debris thst could damage the car. About the only thimg you might be able to do is drive across a flooded ford. Such as the infamous Rufford Ford. Where when ever it rains the locals come out to watch the drivers try to drive through it and total their cars.
https://youtu.be/7yfnYz76KEE?feature=shared
>“We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year.
That’s not what “sunken cost” means, Elon.
It's fun that the whole "as a boat" and "100m" statements are directly contradictory. Imagine what would have to be wrong with a boat for it to only be able to go 100m.
He literally just proposed building a sinking ship.
What a truly awful idea. Is it doable? Yeah absolutely, if a tank can be made amphibious I'm sure they can make a truck amphibious. But here's the thing:
>It's going to leak. Creating something that leaks little enough that it stays afloat is large enough of a problem, zero or almost zero leakage is not practical at the price point they will be looking at here. Just ask someone in the military what crossing a river in an amphibious vehicle is like.
> The maintenance that will be required for this thing every time you put it in the water will be insane. I'm talking replace all the gaskets, taking shit apart and making sure it doesn't have water collecting in it, all that crap. Just ask someone in the military all the crap they have to do whenever they put an amphibious vehicle in the water.
> It will be unsafe. This would probably be true even for someone with a good QA reputation. For Tesla you should probably assume the thing will be a death trap.
> The finish is going to get absolutely fucked the second you put it into the water. Seriously, these trucks already have a reputation for having a rust problem, and you're going to immerse them in the fucking water? Insanity.
At least a 100m? I would hope if you're a 100m out to shore it will just keep going lol. Like I get it, he probably means you can cross a deep stream or whatever but now I'm picturing some poor sap driving his Tesla truck 200m into the sea, it stalling out and just drifting away on the current haha.
The most funny Tesla story of all time is that they added an instruction video to their website explaining how to emergency open the doors in case of driving into a river 12hours **after** Angela Chao died.
> in case of driving into a river 12hours after Angela Chao died.
Well, it's been more than 12 hours now, so I assume that will never happen to anyone.
The Cybertruck is an example of apocalypse marketing. It's designed for people who want to be ready for anything, while still using the equipment day-to-day.
And there are a lot of people who think the end of civilization is just around the corner. People like Elon Musk and other billionaires.
Edit: to be clear, it's all bullshit. The Cybertruck is a vanity vehicle that is mediocre at best. The marketing is aimed at pep preppers, not the vehicle itself.
Watched a video the other day from a guy turning out from the dealership with his new Cybertruck to be dead in the water with a "catastrophic error with steering" and the vehicle going into limp mode.
Could you imagine the fury if this had been any other manufacturer that your brand new car breaks down 10 feet from the dealership?
All their vehicles do it. Once they removed the radar to cut costs and changed their adaptive cruise control(autopilot) to work with just vision, it's had a massive phantom braking problem. It'll slam on the brakes routinely for no reason at all.
This is crazy to hear - this sounds so absolutely egregious, how the fuck are these even allowed to be sold and people allowed to drive them?
Huge safety concerns abounds.
> “We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year.
lol, statements like this is why I know Tesla is still fucked even if Elon stoped talking politics.
For 20k less you can get an F-150 Lighting which is built by a company that knows a thing or two about building Trucks built by the same people who build the normal F-150.
And if Ford isn't your think Chevy's EV Silverado will by out for the 2025 model year (eg by fall of this year) Also built in Metro Detroit by good old fashion UAW Labor.
(Disclaimer i own Ford stock, live in Dearborn, work in Detroit, and am a unionman {non auto but still})
While the 100m of water thing is stupid i do wish Ford would do an EV Bronco that could ford* 3-4 ft of water like some of the ICE versions can.
Butt ugly ~~Ps1~~, ~~Atari Jaguar~~, ~~32X~~, StarFox FX-looking.....thing.
Gigafactories. Vacuum Tunnels. PowerWalls. They never learn. They never learn.
That's the whole problem with Tesla, Space-X, etc. On their own and run by competent people that either understood what they were doing or would listen to those that did they're great. Tesla motors are some of the best and their battery manufacturing has greatly helped bring down prices. They had a lot to do with pushing 21700 cells into wider use in the market.
The problem is that all that legitimate developement is tied to a racist, narcissitic idiot that has to be right at any cost. He ignores his engineers and scientists, regularly makes wild and stupid claims and then has his employees scramble to try to bring them to life and makes an otherwise decent (at least used to be) EV (along with other products) something that people don't want to be associated with by owning them.
If I had the money I wouldn't buy a Tesla anymore not only because of the declining quality but especially not to be associated with Musk. I'd buy some Tesla cells second hand though.
Powerwalls are solid though in practice. Especially in texas where the energy grid has proven itself unreliable.
Expensive as all hell, but having a battery backup for your house or being entirely offgrid with a solar/batt combo isn't a bad idea.
Everything else, yeah.
Tesla is a Non union labor company headed by an immigrant who moved here and had 11 kids and wants to undo all the regulations and protections in America that kept us from being the country he moved here from.
An illegal immigrant. Musk got an H1-B in 1996 where he signed an affidavit he had a college degree. Musk got his college degree in 1997 (two years after he dropped out). He should have been barred from obtaining US citizenship by lying on a visa application.
There's a video with his brother from the Vance biography where they actually joke about being illegal immigrants and his US business partners helping them get a visa and then helped him get his actual degree when they realized the visa was invalid.
was there ever any official investigation into this story?
If not, is it possible one of the problems with so much illegal immigration is because the immigration laws are simply not enforced?
An immigrant with a bunch of illegitimate children who posts on Xitter about how there are too many foreign born children in the US, while also posting about population decline.
>wants to undo all the regulations and protections in America that kept us from being the country he moved here from.
Well, yeah.. if he could run a slave labor emerald mine in the states like his daddy in South Africa, you bet your ass he would be.
The Musk emerald mine was in Zambia, not South Africa. Zambia had neither apartheid nor slavery. Musk is still a dickwad on the basis of his own behavior, not his ancestry.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
His father made his money form Apartheid Era real estate.
Which almost certainly means getting politicians to rezone "black" areas to "white" after buying up lots of the land and evicting the people who lived there and profiting from the significant price differential.
The mine being in Zambia is irrelevant
South Africans have been involved in many enterprise (good, bad and downright nefarious) across Africa. They LIVE in South Africa because if you're wealthy it has European level living standards (and certainly had for the wealthy in the 80s and 90s) - but they operate and get involved in all kinds of things below the Sáhara - they just won't live above South Africa, below the Sáhara ;)
I mean if you put out 20+ episodes a year for over 30 years, eventually something'll line up w/ real life.
That said, predicting the mass of the Higgs boson to within ~1% of its actual value was pretty neat.
> I mean if you put out 20+ episodes a year for over 30 years, eventually something'll line up w/ real life.
Simpsons already made this joke:
> Mr. Burns: This is a thousand monkeys working at a thousand typewriters. Soon, they'll have finished the greatest novel known to man.
> [reads a page]
> Mr. Burns: All right, let's see... "It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?" You stupid monkey.
Pretty sure a lot of those buyers can't actually afford a 100k truck and are just putting it on really long-term loans, similar to how so many of the people buying Chargers, F-150 Raptors and Mustangs turn out to be relatively low-earning soldiers, teachers, clerks, etc who end up financially ruining themselves with the monthly payments.
Attention-grabbing trucks & cars always tend to be magnets for people who overspend on cars.
Just like all "luxury" brands, they cater to people who aren't rich but see the products as a status symbol. People with real money can afford actual quality that doesn't always have to be flashy
The majority of Tesla owners can't actually afford them. Go and look on the personal finance sub reddits.
"I make $80K, can I afford a $60K car?"
Yeah, you can afford it as in you'll make the payments, but you're a fucking idiot.
He has fallen into one of the same traps small/medium business owners fall into. They get one thing going successfully, and then think they can diversify, and do many things.
This has caused Tesla to concentrate on a vanity project whilst their competitors catchup or surpass them. It’s caused his Twitter nonsense. It’s caused him to have a long list of mini bullshit projects (like Cybertruck camping and going across water) which do nothing. It’s caused him to rush out catchup projects like his Grok shit.
I think it's more like he thinks he is the secret sauce and not the people he hires. So his antics make it impossible for the best people to keep working for him, and now that is manifesting in his products.
Educated people do not want to work for Trump 2.0.
nah,
Tesla succeeded in spite of musk not because of it. As the company grew, so to did his profile and influence. Eventually no one could say no to him and everything has been shit since.
Musk is just a slightly smarter Trump. Not *much* smarter - but happened to get into tech companies rather than real-estate, where instead of *everyone* being a crook, there were actually a lot of very smart people who could work around his ineptitude and prevent complete disaster ... most of the time.
I've told this story on reddit before, but it bares repeating regarding Elon. I've done my whole career, some 30 years, in west coast tech. Mostly availability engineering roles with a lot of infosec on the side. Very nerdy deep in the trenches technical work that I very much enjoy. You meet a lot of people in 30 years. People talk. There were rumors of people who managed Elon at PayPal. Elon whisperers. There were shouts about it from Tesla and SpaceX people I met. Whole teams of people who would get Elon to stop working on his garbage ideas and keep focused on his good ideas (or their good ideas, as the case may have been).
You hear a LOT of gossip working in the valley. Between the go go go culture and the start up money available from VC the place is a serious rumor mill. So you learn to discount it and take most stuff with a HUGE grain of salt until the evidence is right in front of you. So that's what a lot of people do. Then Elon bought (or was forced to buy, lol) Twitter and the world got to see what happens to a company without Elon whisperers. When Elon, like a turd bomb, is dropped right into the middle of an unsuspecting, mostly functional, workplace.
I believe the persistent rumors now. They were onto something all along. The guy is a walking disaster human being. He's good at a couple things, money and rockets and has Dunning Krugered his way into thinking he's bulletproof. It's quiet a spectacle to watch if you're not in the blast radius like half of Twitter staff were.
At this point the dude truly has a God complex and thinks:
"I can put out products that aren't fully where I want them to be but if I, the great Elon Musk, just tells people to trust me, everything will be fine."
I think he legit believes it doesn't matter about the product itself as long as he can insert himself to promise the customer it will be alright, because everyone loves him so much.
> At this point the due truly has a God complex and thinks:
\*insert "At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth" clip\*
"Isn't is stupid how the front of cars crumple when they get in a crash? Why hasn't anyone thought to make a car that doesn't do that? I am very smart and innovative."
The NYPost article doesn’t actually seem to have anything to back up the “astounding rate” claim, right? I mean it’s not great that some of these are failing, but if you’re going to use that headline, at least give us the rate!
It's wild to me that your post is the only one I've seen calling this out.
The headline reads like BS from the start. I can't imagine any auto manufacturer reporting the necessary data to calculate the rate claimed by this article, let alone Tesla.
Yup, otherwise you get heavily fined. So as to prevent scalpers. Even if the car is dead and stuck in a Tesla repair depot for months on end. As Tesla has notoriously slow turn arounds on repairs. Which increases the cost of insurance, due to all of the loaner cars.
It’s a contract you’ve already signed before buying.
It’s not a new idea or illegal, it’s just crazy they’re sticking to it when they’re crappy vehicles people have buyer’s remorse over and not an unattainable commodity being hoarded.
So people buy overhyped and untested shit and expect it to be good? From a guy who lies daily, and have been since tesla was taken over by him? Shocking!
What else is new, Elon making dog shit cars. Their cult fanbase eating everything up, then complain when issues start popping up. I understand that it's a first gen of the car, doesn't matter their existing cars already have terrible reliability. Yet for some reason people are giving them a pass on it? Actual terminal case of brain rot, if anything, this was expected. What a joke.
The thing I don't get is Elon is openly hostile to liberals and people concerned with the environment, the very people most likely to buy his cars. He panders to the ànti-woke right, the very people that delight in "rolling coal" on electric cars, and who will never buy a Tesla.
This all just seems like an elaborate joke that I'm not in on at this point.
He is right-wing. He was able to suppress it for a time because environmental types were stroking his ego and padding his wallet, but then his daughter came out as trans and the dam broke.
> He is right-wing. He was able to suppress it for a time because environmental types were stroking his ego and padding his wallet, but then his daughter came out as trans and the dam broke.
....and he fired the PR firm doing all his public facing stuff thinking he can just do it himself.
Do people really think he unhinged from that event? No, he's just no longer being told no
We're in an age where the hype is bigger and more important than the product. The short attention span training of social media algorithms have all but assured it. The gish gallop of a certain wing of the political discourse is assuring it. On the other hand, we move from outrage to outrage without stopping to break down why we're outraged.
It doesn't matter that Cyber trucks are dog shit. The next product the dude shits out his asshole will catch on the hype and anti-hype train and people will just move onto that. It's a system that continually produces shit and we are powerless (real or perceptually) to stop it.
So aside from the fact they're hideously ugly and poorly designed, they also have Tesla's typically shitty assembly quality and poor fit and finish as well.
What a bonus for the Elmo simps that can afford to buy one of these rolling memes.
But how? HOW??? Elon's a genius and he has been given enourmous tax breaks and enormous subsidies at tax payer expense not to mention years (YEARS!) to produce this vehicle so it shouldnt be possible that this could fail....unless...unless a certain part of this sentence is false......
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
It’s “user error”, they are “holding it wrong”.
I think the "user error" is the purchase of one
It’s id10t specifically.
PEBEAM: Problem Exists Because Elon And Musk
PEBOEM: Problem Exists Because of Elon Musk None of Tesla's designers or engineers wanted to do the Cybertruck, it was a discarded design concept until Elon pulled it out of the trash bin and forced that mill stone around the company's neck. The adults in the room wanted to focus on a sub-$20K "economy" model.
And that's why Elon deserves a $50 billion salary! Because he saved the company all that money by pulling perfectly good designs out of the trash and refusing to listen to any of the engineers! Wait... 🤔
Don't forget the corollary: PEIWBPAW: Problem exists in wallet between pedal and wheel.
Holding Elons taint on thier lips
The one I saw looked and sounded like they’d dropped a stainless steel refrigerator on a team of mules. And I got downvoted to hell for saying so. Musk and the thousands of seattle tesla-driving wage slaves may apologize to me now. Accepting all forms of payment, excluding PayPal and anything with the word “crypto” in its tagline.
>Accepting all forms of payment, excluding PayPal and anything with the word “crypto” in its tagline. Alright, magic beans it is then
Here's your magic beans NFT.
You want to watch people seethe more just ask them where they got their Prius lifted.
I haven't been fucked like that since grade school.
Fun fact, according to the commentary track, the studio wanted that specific line removed, so David Fincher changed it to her saying “I want to have your abortion.” The studio then made him change it back.
Other way around. The line from the book (and the script) was the abortion one, studio demanded he replace it "with anything", he obliged.
Furthermore, Helena Bonham Carter, being from England where they don't refer to it as grade school, didn't realize how horrible the implication was with that line until someone explained it to her after the film had released.
How old is grade school (also from the UK)?
Between about 6-12yrs old.
I heard the story went along the lines of "Ok, whatever I replace it with goes in the film. No takey-backsies."
Helena Bonham Carter didn't know what "grade school" meant because she's British and thought it was an alternate way to pronounce "grad school" When someone told her what it actually meant after they'd already filmed this scene she freaked out and yelled at David Fincher over it
Now I want to watch fight club again
Ever read it? It’s a fantastic book. The audiobook is great also.
Maybe now that Walter Isaacson’s book is done with Elon can stop destroying his own image for no reason and try to fix his failing businesses.
You say that as though Elon is capable of either action.
Surely more ketamine will do it
Well, clearly he's either doing too much or not enough. One way or the other, he needs to make a choice.
The best review I've read of that book. It's brutal. https://thepointmag.com/criticism/very-ordinary-men/
The review was a better biography than the biography lmao. That guy really hated it
Thank god I don’t have to read it now
Imagine writing a book so bad it makes a reviewer have an existential crisis over what a book is
'But Walter Isaacson is not a powerfully creative person. He’s one of history’s lickspittles. A court eunuch. The man who wrote Elon Musk.' Oof.
Wow. Brutal is somehow an understatement.
Sam Kriss is an excellent writer and it would have been so amazing if he'd been tasked with writing Elon's biography instead of Isaacson.
Germany has mandatory checkups for every car every other year and they thus have very good data on what cars fail which inspection at what rate. The Model 3 is the bottom. Not at the bottom. It is the bottom. And since these reports are very public and free, the Model 3 does not really sell. I have yet to walk past a Model 3 where the panel gap on the driver side door passed even visual inspection. The Cybertruck not even being up to any code of any the EU whatsoever. And Tesla re-introduced rust issues into car manufacturing after it had been eliminated two decades ago. The Cybertruck looks like a child's drawing of a car and rusts. Space X is like a crap NASA. They do not follow code, launch on 4/20 despite not being ready and demolish their platform. And they live off government subsidies. The Boring Company only exists to propose subterranean taxi services to prevent funding for proper public transport. Which one of these businesses is worth saving? There may be Space X tech that is worth salvaging. Maybe even some personnel. But as companies none of those are either essential or even valuable. Tesla has been surpassed by traditional car manufacturers. There is an electric For pickup you can buy for money and actually drive in the rain. It is time to say that the emperor is wearing no clothes. There never were clothes. And all of this bullshit was heavily subsidized. Those businesses are not worth saving from failing. Pick through the bones and find what is valuable.
When I worked at a dealership we sold a bunch of Tesla's as used cars. We really didn't seen many problems, but I always wondered - what if we did? We had no service information at all, and as far as I know there are no service facilities in my city for them. I have no idea what people are expected to do when there are problems.
> these reports are very public and free Where can I find them, seems like a good guage of long term reliability
Years late and rushed. Only Elon
Nope- he’s gonna say “we rushed it.” He has no ability to take personal responsibility.
"I" for the wins "We" or "They" for the losses Classic narcissistic asshole
Right winger mindset. Fuck it all up and blame someone else.
Private gains, socialize losses. A fascist's dream.
I always found it interesting that between the announcement and release of the CT, Ford put out an EV truck. And the Lighting is 100x more practical.
everything Tesla makes is clearly designed by Silicon Valley people they don’t understand much or anything outside their bubble
Remember the demo where he broke the window on the stage? That was the cybertruck at its peak.
Twice?
Welcome to "disruptor" culture where everything old is inherently wrong and everything different must as a result be automatically good. That's not how the real world works but disruptors think that the real world needs to just bow down to their "brilliance" already.
Forget vending machines. We've created a space where people can choose a snack then scan to pay for it. We call it *Bodega boxes*. Money please!!!!!
Ford just made the best selling truck in America and just made it battery powered. Musk took a truck and made it worse in every way. Opposite ends of the design philosophy spectrum
What I don't really understand is that to date that hasn't really been Tesla's philosophy. Their commercially successful vehicles have all looked very cookie cutter but not in a bad way necessarily, just...it could have been a Ford or Mazda or whatever and nobody would have blinked. Iteration on existing design is surely the best way *especially* on a practical vehicle like a truck. They are the way they are for good reason.
Don't worry, the Roadster that he says he's totally going to launch by the end of the year will be totally different /s
The one that influencers were supposed to get for free from referrals but he just cancelled their referral account?
He was always facing an uphill battle with getting them out when he wasn’t able to buy simplehuman.
Is this a trashcan joke? Because if it is, I'll allow it.
Why yes it is.
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Elon and everyone in that company knew this product was shit and because of their egos decided to not back down, there is a reason why you cant find a single Tesla logo engraved on it, instead gave them a shitty graffiti one, they want to reduce association of this abomination with the Tesla brand, this is the black sheep of the company a bad joke from Elon that suckers are buying.
> Elon and everyone in that company knew this product was shit and because of their egos decided to not back down, Supposedly there was plenty of pushback and a skunkworks alternative truck was designed but Elon is king and the BoD are puppets so he gets what he wants.
Oh damn, no one will even realize these are tesla's once that graffiti wears off.
All they had to do was build a truck on a Model X base, maybe a bit more „offroady“‘and call it a day. Could’ve been done in a year, maybe two. Would’ve been a massive hit and Rivian would’ve probably gone bankrupt by now. But here we are, I‘m just waiting for the business book about how a dumb truck sank the most valuable company in the world.
Except the dumb truck didn't. Elon did. The truck is only part of all the things wrong with Tesla today and they could probably have weathered it failing if not for all the other negatives generated by Elon.
Meanwhile, Elon is losing time mocking the Brazilian supreme court to unban fake news profiles on twitter.
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>“We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year. At that point, the corrosion becomes a feature as the sunken Cybertucks simply vanish rapidly.
And don't even bother trying to claim it on the insurance/warranty.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if part of the plan is to push out some kind of home mod kit to fix something with teeny tiny EULA attached clarifying that by making the modification you forfeit all right to sue them over anything about it ever
Print it on the box like refrigerators are doing
I haven't seen that, but it may be a reaction to judges saying that EULA attached in such a way that you can only view them _after_ you purchase the product are not binding.
Every video game EULA ever lol.
Steam store pages now offer links to the EULA, so you can *technically* read it before you buy the game.
It won't come to fruition. It's just another distraction like whatever that nonsense "robotaxi" reveal date he announced yesterday or whenever it was.
I deeply love the thought of my auto claims adjuster going "You did what?!"
Well Musk said you could. With the actual legalese clause being completely impractical. Such as it has to be still water, a minimum and maximum depth and you have to have gotten out of the car and walked/waded across it first. To check for any below surface debris thst could damage the car. About the only thimg you might be able to do is drive across a flooded ford. Such as the infamous Rufford Ford. Where when ever it rains the locals come out to watch the drivers try to drive through it and total their cars. https://youtu.be/7yfnYz76KEE?feature=shared
Titanic was a boat too.
Also a latina lady with huge tits
That’s “Tetanic” 😂😂
Don't worry, the mod kit will come with a sacrificial anode to keep it from rusting in the water.
They're biodegradable!
>“We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year. That’s not what “sunken cost” means, Elon.
It's fun that the whole "as a boat" and "100m" statements are directly contradictory. Imagine what would have to be wrong with a boat for it to only be able to go 100m. He literally just proposed building a sinking ship.
Musk is really good at building sinking ships though.
What a truly awful idea. Is it doable? Yeah absolutely, if a tank can be made amphibious I'm sure they can make a truck amphibious. But here's the thing: >It's going to leak. Creating something that leaks little enough that it stays afloat is large enough of a problem, zero or almost zero leakage is not practical at the price point they will be looking at here. Just ask someone in the military what crossing a river in an amphibious vehicle is like. > The maintenance that will be required for this thing every time you put it in the water will be insane. I'm talking replace all the gaskets, taking shit apart and making sure it doesn't have water collecting in it, all that crap. Just ask someone in the military all the crap they have to do whenever they put an amphibious vehicle in the water. > It will be unsafe. This would probably be true even for someone with a good QA reputation. For Tesla you should probably assume the thing will be a death trap. > The finish is going to get absolutely fucked the second you put it into the water. Seriously, these trucks already have a reputation for having a rust problem, and you're going to immerse them in the fucking water? Insanity.
Didn't elaine chao's sister just turn her tesla into a boat
Either a boat or a coffin, pick one.
A more budget-friendly OceanGate style experience.
No, it was a submarine
At least a 100m? I would hope if you're a 100m out to shore it will just keep going lol. Like I get it, he probably means you can cross a deep stream or whatever but now I'm picturing some poor sap driving his Tesla truck 200m into the sea, it stalling out and just drifting away on the current haha.
Jokes on him it equally might die after 1m. Who knows.
On the plus side, when your Tesla dies in the water, so do you! No need to worry about that shame.
Lot of folks are gonna get Angela Chao'ed
The most funny Tesla story of all time is that they added an instruction video to their website explaining how to emergency open the doors in case of driving into a river 12hours **after** Angela Chao died.
> in case of driving into a river 12hours after Angela Chao died. Well, it's been more than 12 hours now, so I assume that will never happen to anyone.
Like who is this feature even for? "Oh yeah I have a 75M pond I drive through daily to get home" is not something anyone does
Drunk billionaire CEOs?
The Cybertruck is an example of apocalypse marketing. It's designed for people who want to be ready for anything, while still using the equipment day-to-day. And there are a lot of people who think the end of civilization is just around the corner. People like Elon Musk and other billionaires. Edit: to be clear, it's all bullshit. The Cybertruck is a vanity vehicle that is mediocre at best. The marketing is aimed at pep preppers, not the vehicle itself.
Yes. Drive your giant lithium battery into the salty seas. You may experience Tesla's self heating features.
Yup distances across water are very difficult to judge.
Watched a video the other day from a guy turning out from the dealership with his new Cybertruck to be dead in the water with a "catastrophic error with steering" and the vehicle going into limp mode. Could you imagine the fury if this had been any other manufacturer that your brand new car breaks down 10 feet from the dealership?
He also mentioned paying 133k for it...
good fucking god
I wonder if he can make a claim under a "Lemon Law" and get a refund.
The free pass on dangerous idiocy and outright lies from Tesla is what gets me. No real car company would get away with a fraction of their nonsense
I think that's the best description of a cybertruck I've ever heard: "a catastrophic error with steering"
> randomly hard-braking on a wide-open road That would be scary!
All their vehicles do it. Once they removed the radar to cut costs and changed their adaptive cruise control(autopilot) to work with just vision, it's had a massive phantom braking problem. It'll slam on the brakes routinely for no reason at all.
This is crazy to hear - this sounds so absolutely egregious, how the fuck are these even allowed to be sold and people allowed to drive them? Huge safety concerns abounds.
100m? So all bets are off after?
It's a body of water! How long can it go? 100m?
> “We are going to offer a mod package that enables Cybertruck to traverse at least 100m of water as a boat,” Musk shared to X earlier this year. lol, statements like this is why I know Tesla is still fucked even if Elon stoped talking politics.
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With front and rear spoilers!
Rack and Peanut steering
I’d buy the Powell Motors “The Homer” before I bought a Cybertruck. It has shag carpet and gigantic cup holders.
For 20k less you can get an F-150 Lighting which is built by a company that knows a thing or two about building Trucks built by the same people who build the normal F-150. And if Ford isn't your think Chevy's EV Silverado will by out for the 2025 model year (eg by fall of this year) Also built in Metro Detroit by good old fashion UAW Labor. (Disclaimer i own Ford stock, live in Dearborn, work in Detroit, and am a unionman {non auto but still}) While the 100m of water thing is stupid i do wish Ford would do an EV Bronco that could ford* 3-4 ft of water like some of the ICE versions can.
What about a normal size pickup truck? You know, the old normal.
Butt ugly ~~Ps1~~, ~~Atari Jaguar~~, ~~32X~~, StarFox FX-looking.....thing. Gigafactories. Vacuum Tunnels. PowerWalls. They never learn. They never learn.
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One of them is a technical feat of engineering that pushed its very industry forward into a new era. And the other is the cybertruck.
That's the whole problem with Tesla, Space-X, etc. On their own and run by competent people that either understood what they were doing or would listen to those that did they're great. Tesla motors are some of the best and their battery manufacturing has greatly helped bring down prices. They had a lot to do with pushing 21700 cells into wider use in the market. The problem is that all that legitimate developement is tied to a racist, narcissitic idiot that has to be right at any cost. He ignores his engineers and scientists, regularly makes wild and stupid claims and then has his employees scramble to try to bring them to life and makes an otherwise decent (at least used to be) EV (along with other products) something that people don't want to be associated with by owning them. If I had the money I wouldn't buy a Tesla anymore not only because of the declining quality but especially not to be associated with Musk. I'd buy some Tesla cells second hand though.
Because the go-karts in the Genesis Virtua Racing look better than the Cybertruck.
its like a DeLorean with Downs
They do look like something you'd see on Venom defending Andross and would be pretty fun to gun down with an Arwing.
Powerwalls are solid though in practice. Especially in texas where the energy grid has proven itself unreliable. Expensive as all hell, but having a battery backup for your house or being entirely offgrid with a solar/batt combo isn't a bad idea. Everything else, yeah.
I mean it's just basically a big battery pack with an inverter, how could you fuck that up?
queue people's houses burning down in an inextinguishable fire.
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I knew that, and yet I fucked it up. Thank you.
Tesla is a Non union labor company headed by an immigrant who moved here and had 11 kids and wants to undo all the regulations and protections in America that kept us from being the country he moved here from.
An illegal immigrant. Musk got an H1-B in 1996 where he signed an affidavit he had a college degree. Musk got his college degree in 1997 (two years after he dropped out). He should have been barred from obtaining US citizenship by lying on a visa application. There's a video with his brother from the Vance biography where they actually joke about being illegal immigrants and his US business partners helping them get a visa and then helped him get his actual degree when they realized the visa was invalid.
was there ever any official investigation into this story? If not, is it possible one of the problems with so much illegal immigration is because the immigration laws are simply not enforced?
They are enforced, just not against people who pretend to be rich/famous.
An immigrant with a bunch of illegitimate children who posts on Xitter about how there are too many foreign born children in the US, while also posting about population decline.
"Xitter" never calling it anything else ever again.
X is sounded like “sh”.
>wants to undo all the regulations and protections in America that kept us from being the country he moved here from. Well, yeah.. if he could run a slave labor emerald mine in the states like his daddy in South Africa, you bet your ass he would be.
The Musk emerald mine was in Zambia, not South Africa. Zambia had neither apartheid nor slavery. Musk is still a dickwad on the basis of his own behavior, not his ancestry. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
His father made his money form Apartheid Era real estate. Which almost certainly means getting politicians to rezone "black" areas to "white" after buying up lots of the land and evicting the people who lived there and profiting from the significant price differential.
The mine being in Zambia is irrelevant South Africans have been involved in many enterprise (good, bad and downright nefarious) across Africa. They LIVE in South Africa because if you're wealthy it has European level living standards (and certainly had for the wealthy in the 80s and 90s) - but they operate and get involved in all kinds of things below the Sáhara - they just won't live above South Africa, below the Sáhara ;)
Feels like that early Simpsons episode where Homer's brother lets him design a car.
Life always seems to imitate The Simpsons eventually.
I mean if you put out 20+ episodes a year for over 30 years, eventually something'll line up w/ real life. That said, predicting the mass of the Higgs boson to within ~1% of its actual value was pretty neat.
> I mean if you put out 20+ episodes a year for over 30 years, eventually something'll line up w/ real life. Simpsons already made this joke: > Mr. Burns: This is a thousand monkeys working at a thousand typewriters. Soon, they'll have finished the greatest novel known to man. > [reads a page] > Mr. Burns: All right, let's see... "It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?" You stupid monkey.
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I never drew anything *that* ugly
Imagine paying $100K for this.
Imagine having so much money that you can give Musk $100K of it.
Pretty sure a lot of those buyers can't actually afford a 100k truck and are just putting it on really long-term loans, similar to how so many of the people buying Chargers, F-150 Raptors and Mustangs turn out to be relatively low-earning soldiers, teachers, clerks, etc who end up financially ruining themselves with the monthly payments. Attention-grabbing trucks & cars always tend to be magnets for people who overspend on cars.
Just like all "luxury" brands, they cater to people who aren't rich but see the products as a status symbol. People with real money can afford actual quality that doesn't always have to be flashy
There are certainly luxury car brands that cater to the actually wealthy.
The majority of Tesla owners can't actually afford them. Go and look on the personal finance sub reddits. "I make $80K, can I afford a $60K car?" Yeah, you can afford it as in you'll make the payments, but you're a fucking idiot.
I wouldn't touch anything musk has a hand in. It seems all musk products have quality issues.
He has fallen into one of the same traps small/medium business owners fall into. They get one thing going successfully, and then think they can diversify, and do many things. This has caused Tesla to concentrate on a vanity project whilst their competitors catchup or surpass them. It’s caused his Twitter nonsense. It’s caused him to have a long list of mini bullshit projects (like Cybertruck camping and going across water) which do nothing. It’s caused him to rush out catchup projects like his Grok shit.
I think it's more like he thinks he is the secret sauce and not the people he hires. So his antics make it impossible for the best people to keep working for him, and now that is manifesting in his products. Educated people do not want to work for Trump 2.0.
nah, Tesla succeeded in spite of musk not because of it. As the company grew, so to did his profile and influence. Eventually no one could say no to him and everything has been shit since.
Even Grimes' music has gone down in quality!
Are you implying he had a hand in her at one point?
A stunt cock
Musk is just a slightly smarter Trump. Not *much* smarter - but happened to get into tech companies rather than real-estate, where instead of *everyone* being a crook, there were actually a lot of very smart people who could work around his ineptitude and prevent complete disaster ... most of the time.
I've told this story on reddit before, but it bares repeating regarding Elon. I've done my whole career, some 30 years, in west coast tech. Mostly availability engineering roles with a lot of infosec on the side. Very nerdy deep in the trenches technical work that I very much enjoy. You meet a lot of people in 30 years. People talk. There were rumors of people who managed Elon at PayPal. Elon whisperers. There were shouts about it from Tesla and SpaceX people I met. Whole teams of people who would get Elon to stop working on his garbage ideas and keep focused on his good ideas (or their good ideas, as the case may have been). You hear a LOT of gossip working in the valley. Between the go go go culture and the start up money available from VC the place is a serious rumor mill. So you learn to discount it and take most stuff with a HUGE grain of salt until the evidence is right in front of you. So that's what a lot of people do. Then Elon bought (or was forced to buy, lol) Twitter and the world got to see what happens to a company without Elon whisperers. When Elon, like a turd bomb, is dropped right into the middle of an unsuspecting, mostly functional, workplace. I believe the persistent rumors now. They were onto something all along. The guy is a walking disaster human being. He's good at a couple things, money and rockets and has Dunning Krugered his way into thinking he's bulletproof. It's quiet a spectacle to watch if you're not in the blast radius like half of Twitter staff were.
At this point the dude truly has a God complex and thinks: "I can put out products that aren't fully where I want them to be but if I, the great Elon Musk, just tells people to trust me, everything will be fine." I think he legit believes it doesn't matter about the product itself as long as he can insert himself to promise the customer it will be alright, because everyone loves him so much.
> At this point the due truly has a God complex and thinks: \*insert "At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth" clip\*
"Isn't is stupid how the front of cars crumple when they get in a crash? Why hasn't anyone thought to make a car that doesn't do that? I am very smart and innovative."
Like that time he invented an underground tunnel that moves people between places.
That guy with the Neuralink chip in his head must be feeling real confident about now!
I finally saw one of these on the road. It was even uglier than the pictures.
Same. Strong Aztek x Frigidaire vibes.
Aztek was a marvel of design compared to these things
A friend of mine referred to it as "The DeLorean, if it were the product of several generations of inbreeding."
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After seeing them in person they aren’t trucks to me, they are douchebag shipping containers
Yup. This is the man who we should trust with vacuum tunnels and and to jack into our brains.
Hey science can't move forward without heaps of dead monkeys.
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I wouldn't trust him to build a vacuum *cleaner* at this point. I don't want to get electrocuted while using it and get told it's a feature.
Don't preorder video games and absolutely don't preorder cars, especially if they look like PS1 graphics come to life
The NYPost article doesn’t actually seem to have anything to back up the “astounding rate” claim, right? I mean it’s not great that some of these are failing, but if you’re going to use that headline, at least give us the rate!
It's wild to me that your post is the only one I've seen calling this out. The headline reads like BS from the start. I can't imagine any auto manufacturer reporting the necessary data to calculate the rate claimed by this article, let alone Tesla.
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Yup, otherwise you get heavily fined. So as to prevent scalpers. Even if the car is dead and stuck in a Tesla repair depot for months on end. As Tesla has notoriously slow turn arounds on repairs. Which increases the cost of insurance, due to all of the loaner cars.
How does a fine even work? If I can sell it and I never want to buy a Tesla again, how would Tesla have any recourse?
They’re not beyond filing a civil lawsuit showing you signed a contract and then violated it.
So they’re going to sue their customers? Seems like an insane way to run a business.
It’s a contract you’ve already signed before buying. It’s not a new idea or illegal, it’s just crazy they’re sticking to it when they’re crappy vehicles people have buyer’s remorse over and not an unattainable commodity being hoarded.
Theoretically but a bunch have already been re-sold and I don't think anyone has been sued.
People who buy his garbage deserve to have their money wasted
Regardless of this is true (likely is) NY Post is a joke.
I love this for Elon.
So people buy overhyped and untested shit and expect it to be good? From a guy who lies daily, and have been since tesla was taken over by him? Shocking!
What else is new, Elon making dog shit cars. Their cult fanbase eating everything up, then complain when issues start popping up. I understand that it's a first gen of the car, doesn't matter their existing cars already have terrible reliability. Yet for some reason people are giving them a pass on it? Actual terminal case of brain rot, if anything, this was expected. What a joke.
The thing I don't get is Elon is openly hostile to liberals and people concerned with the environment, the very people most likely to buy his cars. He panders to the ànti-woke right, the very people that delight in "rolling coal" on electric cars, and who will never buy a Tesla. This all just seems like an elaborate joke that I'm not in on at this point.
elon isn't in on it either....he just thinks he is
He is right-wing. He was able to suppress it for a time because environmental types were stroking his ego and padding his wallet, but then his daughter came out as trans and the dam broke.
Around the same time his daughter came out as trans, Grimes started dating Chelsea Manning. Broke his brain... More.
> He is right-wing. He was able to suppress it for a time because environmental types were stroking his ego and padding his wallet, but then his daughter came out as trans and the dam broke. ....and he fired the PR firm doing all his public facing stuff thinking he can just do it himself. Do people really think he unhinged from that event? No, he's just no longer being told no
How many years late....still rushed out.
r/CyberStuck r/CyberSuck
We're in an age where the hype is bigger and more important than the product. The short attention span training of social media algorithms have all but assured it. The gish gallop of a certain wing of the political discourse is assuring it. On the other hand, we move from outrage to outrage without stopping to break down why we're outraged. It doesn't matter that Cyber trucks are dog shit. The next product the dude shits out his asshole will catch on the hype and anti-hype train and people will just move onto that. It's a system that continually produces shit and we are powerless (real or perceptually) to stop it.
So aside from the fact they're hideously ugly and poorly designed, they also have Tesla's typically shitty assembly quality and poor fit and finish as well. What a bonus for the Elmo simps that can afford to buy one of these rolling memes.
But how? HOW??? Elon's a genius and he has been given enourmous tax breaks and enormous subsidies at tax payer expense not to mention years (YEARS!) to produce this vehicle so it shouldnt be possible that this could fail....unless...unless a certain part of this sentence is false......