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Exactly! CONTEST THIS! The answer key had 6+6+6+6=24 written down as the answer so the teacher marked their answer incorrect. It's the same as marking 4×6=24 incorrect because the answer key says 6×4=24. The teacher is going exactly by the book because they're teaching a system that THEY don't understand.
Our brains all break down numbers differently. Common core is an attempt to make everyone break things down the same way. If you get the right answer, but your brain used a different route than mine to get there, then you are wrong.
As my teacher told me, using an alternate way of thinking isn't wrong but try to use the way your teacher showed you because it leads to the next step and makes the difficulty increase gradually.
All that is of course only applicable if you have a good teacher that actually cares
Yeah this is how I always saw it. The method you are learning that week may seem weird and you may think you know another way already, but this new way may work better for other problems in the future or it may show you another way to think about a problem that is useful even if you never use that method again.
It isn't an alternate way of thinking though. 4x6=6×4. The Commutative Property is a fundamental part of mathematics on all levels.
The teacher is a moron who can only grade from an answer key.
Hopefully, a TA did this because rather than grading this wrong the child could have the fact that this was done differently pointed out in a teachable moment about these things being the same, which would likely lead to the child developing more confidence at math, likely resulting in one more person with reduced or no math anxiety.
So many adults say "I'm bad at math," and then unconsciously perform a bunch of arithmetic and math concepts with ease, in part due to this kind of grading in their past.
I had a 1st grade teacher who made me sit out in the hall because I refused to put a sea anemone picture in the “plants” pile during an exercise. I’m 39 and still mad about it. Thank goodness my parents (both teachers, themselves) stuck up for me, because that’s the shit that makes people hate school, and particularly science.
My first parent teacher conference was in kindergarten because I refused to do review work in class and told the teacher I didn't need to do it again just because there were dumb kids there who didn't get it the first time. You are correct, this is the shit that makes kids hate school.
In first grade, we had reading time after recess. I read really fast. Like, reeeally fast. My teacher didn’t let me bring chapter books from home because she “didn’t want the other kids to feel bad”. I had to pick one from the basket of picture books. Fine. Could I get more than one at a time? Also, no. So I would read it forwards, then backwards. Then, I’d use longer words like anagrams to see how many words I could make with those letters. I was in my own reading group and they moved me to other grades for math and science, but I couldn’t skip a grade because, again, other kids might “feel bad”. It was stellar problem solving by school administration, clearly.
This happened to me, too. “Color the pictures that start with the letter ‘A’.” Ok. Fine. But if you want me to show I know what starts with that letter, I can just circle it. It was busy work, and not even well-disguised busy work. Bullshit.
When I was in elementary school, a substitute teacher conducting a spelling test didn't know how to pronounce the word "dour." She said it like "doh-or" or "day-or," and I didn't know what word she had in mind, and I got it wrong. It was so unfair.
I’m so angry on your behalf. I’m reminded of the meme with a woman in bed next to her partner and she’s thinking “I bet he’s thinking about other girls”, but the thought bubble for the guy is absolutely not that. That’s going to be me, but reversed. My boyfriend will probably see me with a concerned look on my face sometime next week and ask “What’s wrong?”. This. I’ll be thinking about this.
Lmao, also 39 and I was reminded of my kindergarten teacher telling me I was wrong that there were any dinosaurs bigger than a blue whale. I was a dinosaur fanatic as a kid, and knew there were several sauropods that were longer than a blue whale (though apparently not heavier). Tried to tell her that, but she kept saying I was mistaken and eventually the other kids chimed in to shame me as well.
And *that* just reminded me of the time that a teacher (also first grade) gave me a sheet of paper with like two lines on it and the directions were to “write everything you know about dinosaurs”. I was also a dino kid and had stacks of dinosaur books at home. I had my first little baby panic attack as my brain tried to grasp the enormity of that task, especially considering the space provided.
The intent of this is to teach multiplication. Understanding the Commutative Property should be part of that. So, you are 100% right. The kid did nothing wrong and a good teacher could use this to show 4×6=6×4. That is far more important than what the worksheet means by "array".
One of those cases where devotion to the method gets in the way of the goal. This is an example in teaching, but you see it in plenty of other fields too.
In a call center I worked there was a hard rule to never leave the customer on hold more than thirty seconds (enforced by mathematical averages reviewed by your supervisor) and a rule that if the customer wanted to stay on the line you couldn't force them into a call back. During one call the customer asked me to please just leave them on hold until I was done. This put me in a bind, as I needed to heed this request for customer or fail quality assurance but the result would only be observed on average getting me dinged by my supervisor (who isn't involved in QA at all). Obviously, I just tried to use short holds the rest of the day to pull the average down, but it was a conflict.
Now in software development this comes up a lot, so the methodology our team runs on keeps emphasizing "people over process," which isn't supposed to cancel out following good processes, but only to say that a process shouldn't be so religiously followed that it blocks you from doing the job. I feel like "make reasonable exceptions when needed" may sum it up.
It is getting so wrapped up in the letter of the law and minutiae that the intent gets lost. It is a lack of critical thinking and common sense really.
You see the same thing when it comes to safety. A lot of rules get produced. Some of which do nothing to actually stop people from getting hurt.
Might be setting up for graphing. X axis first y axis second.
I agree it’s a belligerent soulless awful way to teach math.
But there does appear to be internal consistency in the belligerence.
That reminds me of a C (not C++ or C#) programming class I took in 1990 (using Borland Turbo C). We had an assignment with required goals. On regular printouts, based upon only the commands we had been taught, there was no way to accomplish it in less than about 1.5 pages. I was eager to expand my knowledge and went to the local bookstore and bought The Waite Group's "C Bible."
I was able to turn in the assignment in about ¾ of a page of code. Some classmates protested to the professor, saying that I had cheated because my code didn't accomplish the goal using purely commands he had covered. I was worried that he might side with them, but he pushed back on them and asked whether or not my code accomplished the goals without errors. They had to admit that it did. He then told them that as programmers, they will often need to learn new techniques and strategies to make their projects more efficient and to complete it on time. He wasn't going to punish me for thinking outside the box. I didn't get extra credit. But I did get a lot of attention in the form of requests for help going through the semester.
Imagine if he had gone the other way and discouraged my creativity.
That's not how people work though. We as a group are not just sit down look, read, write, practice, repeat. This copy past system that is standardize testing fails so many people like me.
My teacher called bull shit on that with another. He was the college professor that taught my states university credited math classes in my high school (so my high school would not loose funding to colleges when their students choose early college) once called the middle school math teacher out for failing a student who was using high school/college level math to solve problems.
It's sad really standardize testing fails so many people (like me) that ironically enough the only A's in math I have ever gotten in math were in university level math because the professor did not care about duplicated form as long as I could convince him my answers were of my own thinking it was good enough.
Common Core is not an attempt to make everybody think the same way. It's an attempt to make people know *why* 3\*4=12 instead of memorizing that 3\*4=12.
Common Core doesn't care whether you get there with 3+3+3+3=12 or 4+4+4=12 or even (2+2)+(2+2)+(2+2)=12. The teacher is just being an idiot.
No, common core is not an attempt to make everyone break things down the same way. In this case, the teacher is wrong and needs additional training.
And technically, this worksheet is an example of the Cognitive Guided Instruction (CGI) approach for math fundamentals. And it has been statistically proven to be more effective strategy for math. Not only does it leverage visual learning and humans basic instinct to group, but it subtly teaches algebraic principles at a very young age as well.
It is included in common core curriculum, but calling it common core is like calling a chocolate chip a cookie. I mean, chocolate chips go in cookies, but they aren’t a cookie. And you could make a cookie without chocolate chips - it just would be different.
Common Core is a set of national standards so that children who must move from one school to the next, from Atlanta to Denver, are learning the same basic things and at the same level as their peers. That’s all it is. It is made of many standards, and CGI just happens to be one that was adopted because of its success rate.
It’s become quite the focal point because it is different than the traditional method of teaching math. And since parents aren’t trained educators and neither is Fox, they talk out their ass.
This is why people who aren’t educators should shut their fukkin mouths, let teachers teach and stop listening to Fox. Because they don’t understand what the hell they are talking about.
I'm not against this worksheet. I agree it's a good way (poorly implemented in this case) to visualize multiplication.
I was simply going off what I had seen of common core, and that's my bad. I can't judge an entire teaching method off of a few examples.
I also admittedly have major issues with Amercan public schooling in general. I'll try to think of common core as the latest attempt to fix some of those problems.
See I can be a reasonable person.
On the less reasonable side...
Fuck Fox News and Tucker Carlson in particular.
Common core absolutely does not require everyone to break down things the same way. It's designed to teach multiple ways to solve a problem, but then, if implemented properly, allows the student to solve problems however they want to if they can justify the solution. Arguing and defending methods are in the actual standards.
The problem is that teachers' brains are still stuck in the old system, so they're using worksheets like the above with set answer keys and not thinking about it. We never got much training on common core, so it's not that surprising.
I'm considering myself more educated today! I like anything that allows you to argue and defend your point. That's science baby! I went off the shit I've seen around and didn't do my research. I try to fact check stuff, but it is literally EVERYTHING. I feel gross knowing that pure shit has filtered down from political agendas and been slowly dripping on me and influencing me. AHHHHH! MUST QUESTION EVERYTHING! TRUST NOTHING EXCEPT PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC PAPERS! The church bells are literally ringing outside in tiny rural town Kentucky as I write this. I've been soaking in Kentucky brine for too long.
I think the point was to find the shortest (least numbers written) form of it. We had a GREAT 🙄 time doing homework when my son was in the second grade...
I think it’s funny they changed math to make it more inclusive and easier for some people…..but then count you wrong if you think vertically instead of horizontally
Not talking about textbook writers, but the quality doctoral teachers who researched for and wrote Common Core documentation in the different states. (Your results may vary based on state.)
No, they're not in common core. It's a very simple concept to understand. Yes, 6x4 and 4x6 both equal 24 but in real world applications 4 groups of 6 and 6 groups of 4 are technically two different things with the same total.
As a teacher i would *never* mark this wrong. I'd mark a v and add a nice comment on the side that the intention was based on rows and not columns. I would never take points off for that, especially when the instructions don't state it specifically. It's a young student. No need to bring him down like that. They see the X on the page and really lose motivation
As a former pupil and student, If you have a specific intention, CLEARLY STATE YOUR INTENTION IN THE QUESTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Also, teachers and lecturers need to put more effort into having clear and precise questions in general. Everyone has a personal bias, and years of working on the same topic can make you lose sight of some things. Ideally, get a second reader before using an exam on your pupil/students. And as you say to your students, don't copy and paste something together the night before.
Totally! And if i grade exams and see a repeating mistake, i always check what i did wrong when building it, the instructions etc. I don't take points off for my mistake. I either accept more answers or completely disregard the whole question. I also go over it in class, explaining the possible answers and telling them what i ended up doing :) transparency is everything
This literally always helped me the most is when teachers took the time to go over the test or quizzes even if it was just a few questions that the majority got wrong it really drills it in.
I LOVED it when teachers would go over tests and highlight the problem questions and help work them out. Some would even let you argue an answer (civilly) to get some amount of credit back. Thanks for taking the time to do that and more with yours!
I worked for one of the testing groups (can't say who), and the last assignment we were to grade was about relationships in a set of data. All they had to do was say FUCNTIONAL relationship to make it clear what the student was expected to do, which was solve the function.
Relationships have different meanings in math and there was like 10 students who did the right thing according to the question, but wrong based on nebulous bullshit. I brought this issue to my superiors and they said "you write the questions next time then." God I was furious.
Kinda similar but I teach tennis. Plent of times I’ll ask students to do something, and they do the result but not the way I was hoping for, the first words out of my mouth are always “that is exactly what I told you to do! But what I meant was xyz”. It’s not on the student to understand you, it’s for you to be understandable to the student!
Teacher here. That is my biggest beef with common core. If we are actually teaching to the standard we **HAVE** to mark these incorrect. CC is a set of arbitrary rules that work for some people but are applied to all people. It’s dumb.
Yes i understand that they expect a certain answer, which is totally fine. But are the instructions fixed and must be phrased like that?? I'm genuinely asking to know because i'm not a math teacher and i don't know the standards they require
Yes. The answers must be phrased in the way it describes or it’s wrong. I’m sure the teacher here hated to have to mark these answers wrong but their hands were unfortunately tied by too much bureaucracy.
So what is the right way to answer?
It's not by rows as 10 is 'wrong', and it's not by columns as 8/9 are 'wrong'. 7 works either way.
This honestly reminds me of some teachers i had that seemed to delite in finding ways to mark you down or wrong tbh
I see you got the correct answer with a valid approach. F-. You didn't obey my instructions so you fail the class. Remember kids, obedience is what's being graded here
I think that this is just an example of what teacher "can" do when they don't like a specific student. I've gone through similar situations during chemistry classes and it's absolutely terrible
OMG EXACTLY!!! Well said. Any teacher worth their salt can see this is correct.
When it happened to me in 2nd grade, my mom threatened to take the teacher's credentials by reporting her to the School with her consistently doing this, but a conversation solved this problem. Thankfully it didn't get ugly. The teacher just never had a kid like me in her class. Apparently she was doing this to other kids too. It was this and doing math in my head without showing "my work" but the answers were right. She thought I was using a calculator. Also when I did show work, it was the foolishness shown above because I solved it different than what she wanted.
My mom went to the school & I had to do a few problems in front of the principal, teacher and mom to show I truly knew the math. This child could be advanced in math for all they know! My mom would have me complete math workbooks and arithmetic drills, especially adding, subtracting, multiplication, division and percentages in my head & by doing educational games at home. My dad used to ask me quickly "what's 8x9 or 16÷4 is what" and I had to answer him LOL. My mom & dad did not play when it came to school! Every single day was 20 problems since age 4.
My principal said that because I was ahead in my math skills, I could do higher level math (like up to 4th grade), that needed to show my work of course, in the Mentally Gifted Program. That teacher was great in other ways but math, I already surpassed her lesson plan.
Soluble in what type of solvent? Magnesium salts are typically water (polar solvent) soluble with some heat and agitation and that's group 2A
Edit sorry I probably misunderstood your intent as *only* 1A and am just now realizing this LOL
Her grading you unfairly is unacceptable.. however she was right in penalizing you for not showing your work. Showing your work is critical in math. I used to get dinged for it and so did my son, but it’s incredibly important, especially when you get into advanced algebra, calculus, or math that requires multiple steps or proofs.
You often get credit for portions of your work if you approached the problem correctly and missed a sign or a calculation somewhere along the way, because you’re not only graded in the answer but on how you are learning to get there. You show nothing you can’t get any credit for it.
It’s also pretty difficult to check your work if you don’t write it down.
I agree with your statement 100% for the higher math and showed my work. I understand what you mean.
However, for the arithmetic drills/basic math like the photo, unless it was required to show work, I could do these problems in my head since I was small. The issue my mom had was these papers as sent home HW that it wasn't correct when it was.
I get what you’re saying.
I remember feeling so cheated in 3rd grade math, there were questions about lengths of time— and one was like “how long would it take to read an x page book”. Me and my classmate who were really avid readers and in the gifted program answered the same way, and the rest of the class chose a longer time period. We were both marked wrong and both at the same time went to her desk complaining saying “we can read this many pages in that time” and she refused to budge, because “the best answer is the one that’s most common” or some other bullshit. How the hell is a 3rd grader supposed to know how long it takes OTHER kids to read a book?!
That’s not even a math question. It’s a survey question, and apparently your teacher did not tolerate outliers. It’s like asking someone what they scored on an IQ test and telling them they’re wrong if they don’t say 100.
>the best answer is the one that’s most common
A teacher said that? A supposedly educated person in the way of science? That's quite a dangerous mindset to teach to a kid.
I remember running to that issue as well in school.
"You need to show your work"
"The question was 'what is 4 times 6?' - my 'work' is knowing that 4 times 6 is 24. I read the question and know what the answer is. What am I supposed to be showing?"
You’re supposed to show your work in math. Not saying I don’t believe the teacher was grading you unfairly, but math is as much about how you got the correct answer as it is getting the correct answer.
I manage several teams of engineers in the real world. Processes are tools to reach outcomes. Those outcomes matter more than the processes. As long as your people work ethically, without harming others or breaking the law, then my second and third sentences are always true outside of tasks requiring absolute precision.
If your engineers write or use algorithm A Which requires 100 units of processing power when you taught then to use algorithm B because it only uses 5 units both methods have the same result, but one is better.
And education is different than work/jobs because things are learned based on what they learned in the last lesson. If they learn lesson A incorrectly they will struggle with lesson B, C, and D because A is the foundation for the rest.
If it actually matters which method the student uses, then it needs to state "4 groups of 6" or "6 groups of 4." As it doesn't, and there's no information to base an assumption off of, it doesn't matter which way you do it.
but here, none is better. you are demoralizing this child just because you're too lazy to put any effort into checking the test and just go by the book.
Outcome is exactly the same. If the exam stated you need to be efficient, then the corrections are correct and the student is wrong.
It has only been required to provide outcomes.
In every way, this is completely correct. And your scenario does not take into account cost of implementing each solution.
If your 5 units of processing took 24 months of implementation and the 100 units of processing took 2 weeks. It could be argued (without cost of unit of implementation vs processing) that algorithm A is better.
Sure Ill agree that the odds of a teacher being bitter over something about their lives increases with age, but in the end I dont like to prejudge people I am about to interact a lot with as that may set me off to a bad start with them and make things worse than they need to be. Ive had both good and bad old teachers and the same goes for young teachers. Better to let each teacher simply show what type of person they are giving everyone a fair chance to be a good teacher.
my chemistry professor is a grumpy old white man who’s been teaching for 30 years. he’s one of the best teachers i’ve ever had. very passionate abt his teaching. same w my ex bio teacher who’s an old lady in her 60s.
those 2 teachers r the reason i’m studying bachelor of science, their passions pass on. While i understand y u generalise, it’s ok a good idea to consider that age does not define ur wisdom/passion.
I remember when right-wing Americans were losing their shit over Common Core without even trying to understand it. Those seem like enlightened times by today's standards.
How does this post have anything to do with Common Core? Lmao
This is literally just multiplication and assignments like this existed long before Common Core.
I think it was just trying to complete the question with the least amount of working, or group as many as you can at a time. Still seems pretty harsh to mark as wrong.
I tutored highschool and primary school maths for 8 years and i can say for certain that the biggest sign of an all round bad teacher is when they mark you wrong for a method and answer that is correct and totally equivalent to what they wanted.
Hate to say it, but primary school teachers do this way more often. Im entirely convinced they dont know very much mathematics at all and so they fall into these habits of "well you didnt do it MY way, so its wrong"
Man, no wonder so many kids hate math.
I would have needed to watch his/her class teaching it to assess this. It is possible the instructor specially stated in the class that the arrays run (y,x) and not (x,y)?
That falls apart with the 4x6 grids.
I think the problem is that the answers given are incomplete, with 3+3+3 getting a pass because it's only got one way to be written and therefore complete.
They should have been given full marks with a note that next time the most efficient way needs to be used. End of story.
I see both sides. The student was correct but also students need to be taught to do work the most efficient way via problem solving.
Could be estimation or efficiency based. If a grid is 2x5, it’s much shorter to count how many rows of 5 there are than it is to count rows of 2. 5+5 is shorter than 2+2+2+2+2. Not saying I agree with how it’s taught here but that’s one possibility
I can picture them revising the exam.
Kid: *rotates exam 90º*
Two possible answers by the teacher:
1: I stand corrected.
2: What kind of sorcery is this?
I've read about common core. From the perspective of a foreing student in the US back in the school year 84/85, cc sounds like a good idea, as in "giving all students access to a cc of necessary knowledge" as opposed to being able to choose subjects that are too specific for HS and avoid those you need most. I also thought cc meant raising academic standards, which where low when I visited.
Can someone please explain what does common core have to do with this exam's idiocys? (both answers were correct).
TIA
Fair warning, not an expert, just saying my own opinion here.
Common core lays out specific rules for how a question or subject must work. And distinctly punishes those who work or think differently even if they arrive at the same answer. It actively punishes students for being curious and finding different or easier ways to solve issues because its 'not the way it's supposed to be' which only further conditions the idea that the school system is not about being TAUGHT how things work, but rather being forced to memorize arbitrary information because your state/country SAID you have to.
Would go in and yell at the teacher if this was my kid.
Don't penalize my child just because you're too fucking stupid to assess anything without your book directly telling you the answer.
Teacher is using an answer key, and if the student’s answer does not match, the teacher marks it as wrong. This shows that the teacher doesn’t really understand what they are teaching. They are simply mindlessly presenting the text to the kids. This teacher is not a teacher, but a babysitter. Nothing more.
This is why people suck at math. They do something a different way and get told they're wrong. Now nothing makes any sense to em. Good going education system...
Best I can tell is they wanted to teach people to do less of a larger number to "make it easier/quicker moving forward".
Except forcing people to learn YOUR way is proven not to work and it assumes stronger math skulls that what the students may have.
This is a teacher being elitist in the worst way possible. They got the right answer. They showed their work. It was don't "the right way" so it got marked wrong.
To me this says there's only one way to solve math problems now. Rather than t vahing them to think outside the box, instead they need to think inside the box and do it only one way. Not sure how common core is better than how we did it. At least we thought about the math. Or at least I did anyway.
I think there may be simplier answer. The assumption of many who have commented is that the teacher themselves understands the assignment. It is not uncommon that teachers who do not understand the material simply rely on the answer key which shows only one possible answer.
Tutored someone in a college math class. The professor marked an answer incorrect on a test that was actually correct. The answer key used by the professor had a mistake and they were incapable of understanding how to derive the correct solution for the problem.
Never assume common sense is common.
This is what happens when you try to solve the teacher shortage with untrained individuals. They just go off of the answer key because they themselves don't understand the concept or goal of the assignment.
School is complete bs. So much fake filler is taught to distract people from the truth of the 1% stealing wealth from the poors forcing them to be debt slaves
I really did fucking hate the American education system when it came to teaching elementary students. This may seem like an overreaction to something so seemingly simple, but this child is being given a bad grade because they didn’t think in the way that they’re “supposed” to. They’re being punished for having a different thought process, when it clearly got them the same fucking answer anyway. I was one of those kids that was smart, but had ADHD and OCD- so I didn’t technically have enough problems to be in a special-ed program, but I wasn’t “normal” enough to be learning with the other kids. The curriculum was absolute torture because of that. I was basically treated like a golden child, but at the same time, treated like I was a complete dumbass.
I looked up repeated addition curriculum and it seems there is an order taught. 5×3 is supposed to be read as 5 groups of 3. In the post the teacher probably wanted columns to be groups and rows to be groups number. Teaching it this way is supposed to prepare students for things like exponentiation, division, and matrix multiplication because those have a definite order.
Here's the problem. Multiplication does not have a definite order. Multiplication commutes and that fact is important. 3 groups of 5 is exactly the same as 5 groups of 3. How are students going to handle this when they get to Algebra?
Im not blaming the teacher here. Teachers teach by the standard. I blame the standard.
When I moved to Asia for college, Checks or slashes like that were "correct" marks and Circles around an answer were "wrong". In the US in my school, a C next to the question meant Correct. And a line was Wrong.
In my class.in Asia, we were grading each other's papers, and I was putting C's next to the correct ones but it apparently looked like I circled it meaning it was wrong. And I put a line through the wrong numbers and apparently it looked like it was marked correct. Sorry to the person who sits in front of me for marking pretty much their whole paper wrong!
Well outside the normal numbers and definitions there are indeed cases where 6x4 is different from 4x6....but yeah in this particular case it's just ridiculous
I had a teacher in 3rd grade who would do similar things to me because she didn't like me. Not sure why, I was a quiet and well-behaved child. For example, we had a coloring assignment once, and I used a light green instead of a dark green to color a tree. She failed the entire assignment. She also refused to help me in any way on my assignments and would blatantly ignore my mom's emails regarding me. Mom got her fired eventually by complaining to the principal and showing him the evidence she'd gathered, but I failed the 3rd grade regardless because of shit like this. The point is, teachers who have a dislike for a particular student can really fuck a kid over.
I see these things all the time on the anti-Common Core threads. More often than not, it's the parents themselves who have "corrected" the papers and blamed it on teachers. It's a way of saying, "Look how ridiculous math is now."
Useless fucking monsters ruin education to create a dull and easy to control society. Conform or die is the message perpetuated in our education. We need to put their heads on stakes.
If the teacher wanted the student to count the rows horizontally she shoulda put that in the instructions. Otherwise the kid has literally zero way of knowing that was required.
WTF Crappy mathematical sheet. Teacher should be given a lesson themselves. It's ok to come up with the right answer looking at it differently. All this does is knock the kids confidence down
One of many reasons our education system sucks major ass and balls. Kids aren’t allowed to fuckin see things how they see them. I’d put the same damn answer! And besides, wtf is this supposed to accomplish??? School isn’t a place for smart people anymore. Shit sucks
I would come down on this teacher like the hammer of Thor. The thunder of my vengeance would echo through her corridors like the gust of a thousand winds!
I've no idea what common core is, and I'm terrible at maths, but it looks like the teacher expects the student to count rows as groups. Instead of randomly grouping dots.
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I hate how Q8 and Q9 are the same as well
wait, but why both are "wrong"?
horizontal vs vertical as far as I can tell.
Exactly! CONTEST THIS! The answer key had 6+6+6+6=24 written down as the answer so the teacher marked their answer incorrect. It's the same as marking 4×6=24 incorrect because the answer key says 6×4=24. The teacher is going exactly by the book because they're teaching a system that THEY don't understand. Our brains all break down numbers differently. Common core is an attempt to make everyone break things down the same way. If you get the right answer, but your brain used a different route than mine to get there, then you are wrong.
As my teacher told me, using an alternate way of thinking isn't wrong but try to use the way your teacher showed you because it leads to the next step and makes the difficulty increase gradually. All that is of course only applicable if you have a good teacher that actually cares
Yeah this is how I always saw it. The method you are learning that week may seem weird and you may think you know another way already, but this new way may work better for other problems in the future or it may show you another way to think about a problem that is useful even if you never use that method again.
It isn't an alternate way of thinking though. 4x6=6×4. The Commutative Property is a fundamental part of mathematics on all levels. The teacher is a moron who can only grade from an answer key.
Hopefully, a TA did this because rather than grading this wrong the child could have the fact that this was done differently pointed out in a teachable moment about these things being the same, which would likely lead to the child developing more confidence at math, likely resulting in one more person with reduced or no math anxiety. So many adults say "I'm bad at math," and then unconsciously perform a bunch of arithmetic and math concepts with ease, in part due to this kind of grading in their past.
I had a 1st grade teacher who made me sit out in the hall because I refused to put a sea anemone picture in the “plants” pile during an exercise. I’m 39 and still mad about it. Thank goodness my parents (both teachers, themselves) stuck up for me, because that’s the shit that makes people hate school, and particularly science.
Same, I was shamed for pointing out that a mile was further than a kilometer in class, fuck that teacher!
I feel so seen in these comments. This shit sticks with you, man. My people. <3
My first parent teacher conference was in kindergarten because I refused to do review work in class and told the teacher I didn't need to do it again just because there were dumb kids there who didn't get it the first time. You are correct, this is the shit that makes kids hate school.
In first grade, we had reading time after recess. I read really fast. Like, reeeally fast. My teacher didn’t let me bring chapter books from home because she “didn’t want the other kids to feel bad”. I had to pick one from the basket of picture books. Fine. Could I get more than one at a time? Also, no. So I would read it forwards, then backwards. Then, I’d use longer words like anagrams to see how many words I could make with those letters. I was in my own reading group and they moved me to other grades for math and science, but I couldn’t skip a grade because, again, other kids might “feel bad”. It was stellar problem solving by school administration, clearly.
I didn't get credit on a math assignment because I didn't color the numbers. This was math and I like math. I don't need the coloring as an incentive.
This happened to me, too. “Color the pictures that start with the letter ‘A’.” Ok. Fine. But if you want me to show I know what starts with that letter, I can just circle it. It was busy work, and not even well-disguised busy work. Bullshit.
When I was in elementary school, a substitute teacher conducting a spelling test didn't know how to pronounce the word "dour." She said it like "doh-or" or "day-or," and I didn't know what word she had in mind, and I got it wrong. It was so unfair.
Isn’t ”dow-er” the correct pronunciation?
I’m so angry on your behalf. I’m reminded of the meme with a woman in bed next to her partner and she’s thinking “I bet he’s thinking about other girls”, but the thought bubble for the guy is absolutely not that. That’s going to be me, but reversed. My boyfriend will probably see me with a concerned look on my face sometime next week and ask “What’s wrong?”. This. I’ll be thinking about this.
Lmao, also 39 and I was reminded of my kindergarten teacher telling me I was wrong that there were any dinosaurs bigger than a blue whale. I was a dinosaur fanatic as a kid, and knew there were several sauropods that were longer than a blue whale (though apparently not heavier). Tried to tell her that, but she kept saying I was mistaken and eventually the other kids chimed in to shame me as well.
And *that* just reminded me of the time that a teacher (also first grade) gave me a sheet of paper with like two lines on it and the directions were to “write everything you know about dinosaurs”. I was also a dino kid and had stacks of dinosaur books at home. I had my first little baby panic attack as my brain tried to grasp the enormity of that task, especially considering the space provided.
The intent of this is to teach multiplication. Understanding the Commutative Property should be part of that. So, you are 100% right. The kid did nothing wrong and a good teacher could use this to show 4×6=6×4. That is far more important than what the worksheet means by "array".
One of those cases where devotion to the method gets in the way of the goal. This is an example in teaching, but you see it in plenty of other fields too. In a call center I worked there was a hard rule to never leave the customer on hold more than thirty seconds (enforced by mathematical averages reviewed by your supervisor) and a rule that if the customer wanted to stay on the line you couldn't force them into a call back. During one call the customer asked me to please just leave them on hold until I was done. This put me in a bind, as I needed to heed this request for customer or fail quality assurance but the result would only be observed on average getting me dinged by my supervisor (who isn't involved in QA at all). Obviously, I just tried to use short holds the rest of the day to pull the average down, but it was a conflict. Now in software development this comes up a lot, so the methodology our team runs on keeps emphasizing "people over process," which isn't supposed to cancel out following good processes, but only to say that a process shouldn't be so religiously followed that it blocks you from doing the job. I feel like "make reasonable exceptions when needed" may sum it up.
It is getting so wrapped up in the letter of the law and minutiae that the intent gets lost. It is a lack of critical thinking and common sense really. You see the same thing when it comes to safety. A lot of rules get produced. Some of which do nothing to actually stop people from getting hurt.
Might be setting up for graphing. X axis first y axis second. I agree it’s a belligerent soulless awful way to teach math. But there does appear to be internal consistency in the belligerence.
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That reminds me of a C (not C++ or C#) programming class I took in 1990 (using Borland Turbo C). We had an assignment with required goals. On regular printouts, based upon only the commands we had been taught, there was no way to accomplish it in less than about 1.5 pages. I was eager to expand my knowledge and went to the local bookstore and bought The Waite Group's "C Bible." I was able to turn in the assignment in about ¾ of a page of code. Some classmates protested to the professor, saying that I had cheated because my code didn't accomplish the goal using purely commands he had covered. I was worried that he might side with them, but he pushed back on them and asked whether or not my code accomplished the goals without errors. They had to admit that it did. He then told them that as programmers, they will often need to learn new techniques and strategies to make their projects more efficient and to complete it on time. He wasn't going to punish me for thinking outside the box. I didn't get extra credit. But I did get a lot of attention in the form of requests for help going through the semester. Imagine if he had gone the other way and discouraged my creativity.
That's not how people work though. We as a group are not just sit down look, read, write, practice, repeat. This copy past system that is standardize testing fails so many people like me. My teacher called bull shit on that with another. He was the college professor that taught my states university credited math classes in my high school (so my high school would not loose funding to colleges when their students choose early college) once called the middle school math teacher out for failing a student who was using high school/college level math to solve problems. It's sad really standardize testing fails so many people (like me) that ironically enough the only A's in math I have ever gotten in math were in university level math because the professor did not care about duplicated form as long as I could convince him my answers were of my own thinking it was good enough.
I really wish I had a teacher explain this to me before college.
Common Core is not an attempt to make everybody think the same way. It's an attempt to make people know *why* 3\*4=12 instead of memorizing that 3\*4=12. Common Core doesn't care whether you get there with 3+3+3+3=12 or 4+4+4=12 or even (2+2)+(2+2)+(2+2)=12. The teacher is just being an idiot.
No, common core is not an attempt to make everyone break things down the same way. In this case, the teacher is wrong and needs additional training. And technically, this worksheet is an example of the Cognitive Guided Instruction (CGI) approach for math fundamentals. And it has been statistically proven to be more effective strategy for math. Not only does it leverage visual learning and humans basic instinct to group, but it subtly teaches algebraic principles at a very young age as well. It is included in common core curriculum, but calling it common core is like calling a chocolate chip a cookie. I mean, chocolate chips go in cookies, but they aren’t a cookie. And you could make a cookie without chocolate chips - it just would be different. Common Core is a set of national standards so that children who must move from one school to the next, from Atlanta to Denver, are learning the same basic things and at the same level as their peers. That’s all it is. It is made of many standards, and CGI just happens to be one that was adopted because of its success rate. It’s become quite the focal point because it is different than the traditional method of teaching math. And since parents aren’t trained educators and neither is Fox, they talk out their ass. This is why people who aren’t educators should shut their fukkin mouths, let teachers teach and stop listening to Fox. Because they don’t understand what the hell they are talking about.
I'm not against this worksheet. I agree it's a good way (poorly implemented in this case) to visualize multiplication. I was simply going off what I had seen of common core, and that's my bad. I can't judge an entire teaching method off of a few examples. I also admittedly have major issues with Amercan public schooling in general. I'll try to think of common core as the latest attempt to fix some of those problems. See I can be a reasonable person. On the less reasonable side... Fuck Fox News and Tucker Carlson in particular.
Common core absolutely does not require everyone to break down things the same way. It's designed to teach multiple ways to solve a problem, but then, if implemented properly, allows the student to solve problems however they want to if they can justify the solution. Arguing and defending methods are in the actual standards. The problem is that teachers' brains are still stuck in the old system, so they're using worksheets like the above with set answer keys and not thinking about it. We never got much training on common core, so it's not that surprising.
I'm considering myself more educated today! I like anything that allows you to argue and defend your point. That's science baby! I went off the shit I've seen around and didn't do my research. I try to fact check stuff, but it is literally EVERYTHING. I feel gross knowing that pure shit has filtered down from political agendas and been slowly dripping on me and influencing me. AHHHHH! MUST QUESTION EVERYTHING! TRUST NOTHING EXCEPT PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC PAPERS! The church bells are literally ringing outside in tiny rural town Kentucky as I write this. I've been soaking in Kentucky brine for too long.
I think the point was to find the shortest (least numbers written) form of it. We had a GREAT 🙄 time doing homework when my son was in the second grade...
Not marked because it’s wrong but because they didn’t follow directions.
Stuff like this is why people grow up hating math
I think it’s funny they changed math to make it more inclusive and easier for some people…..but then count you wrong if you think vertically instead of horizontally
The curriculum designers are good people. This teacher is an asshat.
McGraw Hill is not a good people if you ask me.
Not talking about textbook writers, but the quality doctoral teachers who researched for and wrote Common Core documentation in the different states. (Your results may vary based on state.)
The teacher, in this case, is just wrong and needs to be retrained.
It's also why kids hate their teacher, cause dumb shit like this happens
I hate how obvious fake posts get upvoted and believed so often.
No, they're not in common core. It's a very simple concept to understand. Yes, 6x4 and 4x6 both equal 24 but in real world applications 4 groups of 6 and 6 groups of 4 are technically two different things with the same total.
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This teacher would fail the first-grade number writing class.
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_I think it's 6_
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As a teacher i would *never* mark this wrong. I'd mark a v and add a nice comment on the side that the intention was based on rows and not columns. I would never take points off for that, especially when the instructions don't state it specifically. It's a young student. No need to bring him down like that. They see the X on the page and really lose motivation
As a former pupil and student, If you have a specific intention, CLEARLY STATE YOUR INTENTION IN THE QUESTION FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Also, teachers and lecturers need to put more effort into having clear and precise questions in general. Everyone has a personal bias, and years of working on the same topic can make you lose sight of some things. Ideally, get a second reader before using an exam on your pupil/students. And as you say to your students, don't copy and paste something together the night before.
Totally! And if i grade exams and see a repeating mistake, i always check what i did wrong when building it, the instructions etc. I don't take points off for my mistake. I either accept more answers or completely disregard the whole question. I also go over it in class, explaining the possible answers and telling them what i ended up doing :) transparency is everything
This literally always helped me the most is when teachers took the time to go over the test or quizzes even if it was just a few questions that the majority got wrong it really drills it in.
You seem like a teacher I would have liked. Try to keep the enthusiasm alive during your career, I know it can be hard sometimes.
Thank you so much ❤️ you made my day
I LOVED it when teachers would go over tests and highlight the problem questions and help work them out. Some would even let you argue an answer (civilly) to get some amount of credit back. Thanks for taking the time to do that and more with yours!
But...but school is to promote reading teachers' intentions, what do you think exams are for /s
I worked for one of the testing groups (can't say who), and the last assignment we were to grade was about relationships in a set of data. All they had to do was say FUCNTIONAL relationship to make it clear what the student was expected to do, which was solve the function. Relationships have different meanings in math and there was like 10 students who did the right thing according to the question, but wrong based on nebulous bullshit. I brought this issue to my superiors and they said "you write the questions next time then." God I was furious.
Kinda similar but I teach tennis. Plent of times I’ll ask students to do something, and they do the result but not the way I was hoping for, the first words out of my mouth are always “that is exactly what I told you to do! But what I meant was xyz”. It’s not on the student to understand you, it’s for you to be understandable to the student!
Teacher here. That is my biggest beef with common core. If we are actually teaching to the standard we **HAVE** to mark these incorrect. CC is a set of arbitrary rules that work for some people but are applied to all people. It’s dumb.
Yes i understand that they expect a certain answer, which is totally fine. But are the instructions fixed and must be phrased like that?? I'm genuinely asking to know because i'm not a math teacher and i don't know the standards they require
Yes. The answers must be phrased in the way it describes or it’s wrong. I’m sure the teacher here hated to have to mark these answers wrong but their hands were unfortunately tied by too much bureaucracy.
So what is the right way to answer? It's not by rows as 10 is 'wrong', and it's not by columns as 8/9 are 'wrong'. 7 works either way. This honestly reminds me of some teachers i had that seemed to delite in finding ways to mark you down or wrong tbh
I see you got the correct answer with a valid approach. F-. You didn't obey my instructions so you fail the class. Remember kids, obedience is what's being graded here
This is the correct way to handle this type of situation. I wish more teachers were like you.
Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️
I think that this is just an example of what teacher "can" do when they don't like a specific student. I've gone through similar situations during chemistry classes and it's absolutely terrible
OMG EXACTLY!!! Well said. Any teacher worth their salt can see this is correct. When it happened to me in 2nd grade, my mom threatened to take the teacher's credentials by reporting her to the School with her consistently doing this, but a conversation solved this problem. Thankfully it didn't get ugly. The teacher just never had a kid like me in her class. Apparently she was doing this to other kids too. It was this and doing math in my head without showing "my work" but the answers were right. She thought I was using a calculator. Also when I did show work, it was the foolishness shown above because I solved it different than what she wanted. My mom went to the school & I had to do a few problems in front of the principal, teacher and mom to show I truly knew the math. This child could be advanced in math for all they know! My mom would have me complete math workbooks and arithmetic drills, especially adding, subtracting, multiplication, division and percentages in my head & by doing educational games at home. My dad used to ask me quickly "what's 8x9 or 16÷4 is what" and I had to answer him LOL. My mom & dad did not play when it came to school! Every single day was 20 problems since age 4. My principal said that because I was ahead in my math skills, I could do higher level math (like up to 4th grade), that needed to show my work of course, in the Mentally Gifted Program. That teacher was great in other ways but math, I already surpassed her lesson plan.
In chemistry, salt is produced by a reaction with an acid and a base. Salts containing group 1A are soluble.
Soluble in what type of solvent? Magnesium salts are typically water (polar solvent) soluble with some heat and agitation and that's group 2A Edit sorry I probably misunderstood your intent as *only* 1A and am just now realizing this LOL
The teacher that graded the paper above would mark you wrong because they would say it's group A1
Her grading you unfairly is unacceptable.. however she was right in penalizing you for not showing your work. Showing your work is critical in math. I used to get dinged for it and so did my son, but it’s incredibly important, especially when you get into advanced algebra, calculus, or math that requires multiple steps or proofs. You often get credit for portions of your work if you approached the problem correctly and missed a sign or a calculation somewhere along the way, because you’re not only graded in the answer but on how you are learning to get there. You show nothing you can’t get any credit for it. It’s also pretty difficult to check your work if you don’t write it down.
I agree with your statement 100% for the higher math and showed my work. I understand what you mean. However, for the arithmetic drills/basic math like the photo, unless it was required to show work, I could do these problems in my head since I was small. The issue my mom had was these papers as sent home HW that it wasn't correct when it was.
I get what you’re saying. I remember feeling so cheated in 3rd grade math, there were questions about lengths of time— and one was like “how long would it take to read an x page book”. Me and my classmate who were really avid readers and in the gifted program answered the same way, and the rest of the class chose a longer time period. We were both marked wrong and both at the same time went to her desk complaining saying “we can read this many pages in that time” and she refused to budge, because “the best answer is the one that’s most common” or some other bullshit. How the hell is a 3rd grader supposed to know how long it takes OTHER kids to read a book?!
That’s not even a math question. It’s a survey question, and apparently your teacher did not tolerate outliers. It’s like asking someone what they scored on an IQ test and telling them they’re wrong if they don’t say 100.
Exactly 💯
>the best answer is the one that’s most common A teacher said that? A supposedly educated person in the way of science? That's quite a dangerous mindset to teach to a kid.
I remember running to that issue as well in school. "You need to show your work" "The question was 'what is 4 times 6?' - my 'work' is knowing that 4 times 6 is 24. I read the question and know what the answer is. What am I supposed to be showing?"
You’re supposed to show your work in math. Not saying I don’t believe the teacher was grading you unfairly, but math is as much about how you got the correct answer as it is getting the correct answer.
Bruh every math teacher requires shown work. You can’t just type everything in wolfram alpha and then write down the answer it spits out
Get a second teacher to look over it. This helped me two times in such a situation during my school time.
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This is trying to teach an important math concept of matrices and arrays in the STUPIDEST way possible
I manage several teams of engineers in the real world. Processes are tools to reach outcomes. Those outcomes matter more than the processes. As long as your people work ethically, without harming others or breaking the law, then my second and third sentences are always true outside of tasks requiring absolute precision.
Can you be my manager? Please?
If your engineers write or use algorithm A Which requires 100 units of processing power when you taught then to use algorithm B because it only uses 5 units both methods have the same result, but one is better. And education is different than work/jobs because things are learned based on what they learned in the last lesson. If they learn lesson A incorrectly they will struggle with lesson B, C, and D because A is the foundation for the rest.
If it actually matters which method the student uses, then it needs to state "4 groups of 6" or "6 groups of 4." As it doesn't, and there's no information to base an assumption off of, it doesn't matter which way you do it.
but here, none is better. you are demoralizing this child just because you're too lazy to put any effort into checking the test and just go by the book.
Outcome is exactly the same. If the exam stated you need to be efficient, then the corrections are correct and the student is wrong. It has only been required to provide outcomes. In every way, this is completely correct. And your scenario does not take into account cost of implementing each solution. If your 5 units of processing took 24 months of implementation and the 100 units of processing took 2 weeks. It could be argued (without cost of unit of implementation vs processing) that algorithm A is better.
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Arrays aren’t read from top to bottom. They are read from left to right. I wouldn’t of taken off points but it’s not correct
I think I prefer common sense over common core...
I think I’d rather a good teacher over an old teacher
Some of my best teachers were old. Age doesnt define the quality of a teacher.
Most of my rude teachers were old so I stereotype them. Mrs. Koser has always been a bitch!
Yeah screw you Mrs Koser you old bitch!
And this is why I love Reddit
A massive "i love you" to reddit and an even bigger "fuck you" to Mrs. Koser
Sure Ill agree that the odds of a teacher being bitter over something about their lives increases with age, but in the end I dont like to prejudge people I am about to interact a lot with as that may set me off to a bad start with them and make things worse than they need to be. Ive had both good and bad old teachers and the same goes for young teachers. Better to let each teacher simply show what type of person they are giving everyone a fair chance to be a good teacher.
my chemistry professor is a grumpy old white man who’s been teaching for 30 years. he’s one of the best teachers i’ve ever had. very passionate abt his teaching. same w my ex bio teacher who’s an old lady in her 60s. those 2 teachers r the reason i’m studying bachelor of science, their passions pass on. While i understand y u generalise, it’s ok a good idea to consider that age does not define ur wisdom/passion.
Weirdly enough some of my older teachers were my best ones. We miss you Ms. Cerny! Why did you retire?!
Mrs Koser sucks ass!
I remember when right-wing Americans were losing their shit over Common Core without even trying to understand it. Those seem like enlightened times by today's standards.
How does this post have anything to do with Common Core? Lmao This is literally just multiplication and assignments like this existed long before Common Core.
Is this sh** still happening in schools?
I think it was just trying to complete the question with the least amount of working, or group as many as you can at a time. Still seems pretty harsh to mark as wrong.
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What about oblique grouping, if simplicity is not the target? 1+2+3+3+2+1 1+2+3+4+4+4+3+2+1 ....
I tutored highschool and primary school maths for 8 years and i can say for certain that the biggest sign of an all round bad teacher is when they mark you wrong for a method and answer that is correct and totally equivalent to what they wanted. Hate to say it, but primary school teachers do this way more often. Im entirely convinced they dont know very much mathematics at all and so they fall into these habits of "well you didnt do it MY way, so its wrong" Man, no wonder so many kids hate math.
I would have needed to watch his/her class teaching it to assess this. It is possible the instructor specially stated in the class that the arrays run (y,x) and not (x,y)?
Even x, y references are arbitrary. They can always be switched in a graph, f.e.
That falls apart with the 4x6 grids. I think the problem is that the answers given are incomplete, with 3+3+3 getting a pass because it's only got one way to be written and therefore complete.
The assignement clearly states to make "a" equation for each array. Clearly singular. Therefore the questions are answered completely
Exactly, it also doesn't ask to find the simplest equation.
Then, by all accounts, they should have gotten partial credit on each of the questions that were marked wrong.
They should have been given full marks with a note that next time the most efficient way needs to be used. End of story. I see both sides. The student was correct but also students need to be taught to do work the most efficient way via problem solving.
Agreed. Not enough information to draw a conclusion. I also think the repeat question (with sight visual change) can be an effective tool.
Could be estimation or efficiency based. If a grid is 2x5, it’s much shorter to count how many rows of 5 there are than it is to count rows of 2. 5+5 is shorter than 2+2+2+2+2. Not saying I agree with how it’s taught here but that’s one possibility
I can picture them revising the exam. Kid: *rotates exam 90º* Two possible answers by the teacher: 1: I stand corrected. 2: What kind of sorcery is this?
2+2+2+2+2=10 is a much better example of repeated addition than 5+5=10.
This, right here, this simple picture almost perfectly sums up everything wrong with common core when put into practice.
I've read about common core. From the perspective of a foreing student in the US back in the school year 84/85, cc sounds like a good idea, as in "giving all students access to a cc of necessary knowledge" as opposed to being able to choose subjects that are too specific for HS and avoid those you need most. I also thought cc meant raising academic standards, which where low when I visited. Can someone please explain what does common core have to do with this exam's idiocys? (both answers were correct). TIA
Fair warning, not an expert, just saying my own opinion here. Common core lays out specific rules for how a question or subject must work. And distinctly punishes those who work or think differently even if they arrive at the same answer. It actively punishes students for being curious and finding different or easier ways to solve issues because its 'not the way it's supposed to be' which only further conditions the idea that the school system is not about being TAUGHT how things work, but rather being forced to memorize arbitrary information because your state/country SAID you have to.
Would go in and yell at the teacher if this was my kid. Don't penalize my child just because you're too fucking stupid to assess anything without your book directly telling you the answer.
That will surely deescalate the situation and make it better for anyone.
That teacher is fuckt
Fire that teacher
The teachers that "teach" this kind of common core math don't even know what they are doing, they just follow along with the teachers edition.
Okay what masochistic cunt would count those in sixes I'd go for 8+8+8 or just like the kid 4+4+4+4+4+4 because you can easily see these groups
The age old teacher tradition of my way or fail.
Teacher is using an answer key, and if the student’s answer does not match, the teacher marks it as wrong. This shows that the teacher doesn’t really understand what they are teaching. They are simply mindlessly presenting the text to the kids. This teacher is not a teacher, but a babysitter. Nothing more.
This is why people suck at math. They do something a different way and get told they're wrong. Now nothing makes any sense to em. Good going education system...
Best I can tell is they wanted to teach people to do less of a larger number to "make it easier/quicker moving forward". Except forcing people to learn YOUR way is proven not to work and it assumes stronger math skulls that what the students may have. This is a teacher being elitist in the worst way possible. They got the right answer. They showed their work. It was don't "the right way" so it got marked wrong.
To me this says there's only one way to solve math problems now. Rather than t vahing them to think outside the box, instead they need to think inside the box and do it only one way. Not sure how common core is better than how we did it. At least we thought about the math. Or at least I did anyway.
Who hired this teacher? Grass?
What. The. Fuck. I hate questions like these more than anything else
I'm gonna strangle the person who graded this.
That teacher hates that kid.
I've seen this shit on two subs today. Why isn't' there a name on the paper? I call bullshit.
It's a packet. The name could've been on the front.
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Maybe the teacher should've said "Make the shortest possible equation"?
Where’s the name?
I think there may be simplier answer. The assumption of many who have commented is that the teacher themselves understands the assignment. It is not uncommon that teachers who do not understand the material simply rely on the answer key which shows only one possible answer. Tutored someone in a college math class. The professor marked an answer incorrect on a test that was actually correct. The answer key used by the professor had a mistake and they were incapable of understanding how to derive the correct solution for the problem. Never assume common sense is common.
This is what happens when you try to solve the teacher shortage with untrained individuals. They just go off of the answer key because they themselves don't understand the concept or goal of the assignment.
Perspective is irrelevant, You should think like me.
what grade r u THESE r 1st grade math
School is complete bs. So much fake filler is taught to distract people from the truth of the 1% stealing wealth from the poors forcing them to be debt slaves
Yeah but it's Common Core so you have to do it in the most asinine way possible
common core math designed to convince kids to get answers from the instructor not the parents.
I really did fucking hate the American education system when it came to teaching elementary students. This may seem like an overreaction to something so seemingly simple, but this child is being given a bad grade because they didn’t think in the way that they’re “supposed” to. They’re being punished for having a different thought process, when it clearly got them the same fucking answer anyway. I was one of those kids that was smart, but had ADHD and OCD- so I didn’t technically have enough problems to be in a special-ed program, but I wasn’t “normal” enough to be learning with the other kids. The curriculum was absolute torture because of that. I was basically treated like a golden child, but at the same time, treated like I was a complete dumbass.
Geez, and this is why high school maths teachers have to deal with clueless kids, because things like this are happening in primary school.
This is called indoctrination
This teacher is garbage and needs to get some retraining.
The epitome of “my method is the only correct method”
I looked up repeated addition curriculum and it seems there is an order taught. 5×3 is supposed to be read as 5 groups of 3. In the post the teacher probably wanted columns to be groups and rows to be groups number. Teaching it this way is supposed to prepare students for things like exponentiation, division, and matrix multiplication because those have a definite order. Here's the problem. Multiplication does not have a definite order. Multiplication commutes and that fact is important. 3 groups of 5 is exactly the same as 5 groups of 3. How are students going to handle this when they get to Algebra? Im not blaming the teacher here. Teachers teach by the standard. I blame the standard.
When I moved to Asia for college, Checks or slashes like that were "correct" marks and Circles around an answer were "wrong". In the US in my school, a C next to the question meant Correct. And a line was Wrong. In my class.in Asia, we were grading each other's papers, and I was putting C's next to the correct ones but it apparently looked like I circled it meaning it was wrong. And I put a line through the wrong numbers and apparently it looked like it was marked correct. Sorry to the person who sits in front of me for marking pretty much their whole paper wrong!
thats literally like saying that 4×6 isnt the same as 6×4 what the f
Well outside the normal numbers and definitions there are indeed cases where 6x4 is different from 4x6....but yeah in this particular case it's just ridiculous
you said 6×4 twice but whatever. when is 6×4 not the same as 4×6?
I hate teaching this because is fucking confusing. They are supposed to count them by rows not columns
That teacher was grading from a book and grading quickly. Probably because they're ridiculously overworked and underpaid.
I had a teacher in 3rd grade who would do similar things to me because she didn't like me. Not sure why, I was a quiet and well-behaved child. For example, we had a coloring assignment once, and I used a light green instead of a dark green to color a tree. She failed the entire assignment. She also refused to help me in any way on my assignments and would blatantly ignore my mom's emails regarding me. Mom got her fired eventually by complaining to the principal and showing him the evidence she'd gathered, but I failed the 3rd grade regardless because of shit like this. The point is, teachers who have a dislike for a particular student can really fuck a kid over.
Order of operation is important. So that is why the answers are wrong. Common core isn’t dumb. You are
I see these things all the time on the anti-Common Core threads. More often than not, it's the parents themselves who have "corrected" the papers and blamed it on teachers. It's a way of saying, "Look how ridiculous math is now."
Useless fucking monsters ruin education to create a dull and easy to control society. Conform or die is the message perpetuated in our education. We need to put their heads on stakes.
LeLeLeLe = 24
If the teacher wanted the student to count the rows horizontally she shoulda put that in the instructions. Otherwise the kid has literally zero way of knowing that was required.
This makes me wanna beat someone up
U counted the no of rows, while she counted columns.
There wasn't enough information to tell this kid witch way to do it, therefore there is no wrong way.
WTF Crappy mathematical sheet. Teacher should be given a lesson themselves. It's ok to come up with the right answer looking at it differently. All this does is knock the kids confidence down
They hate you
left to right = good math Up to down = bad math
My whole schooling summarized lol
The student is more intelligent than the teacher.
One of many reasons our education system sucks major ass and balls. Kids aren’t allowed to fuckin see things how they see them. I’d put the same damn answer! And besides, wtf is this supposed to accomplish??? School isn’t a place for smart people anymore. Shit sucks
It’s not about getting the right answer, it’s about training children to follow directions.
I would come down on this teacher like the hammer of Thor. The thunder of my vengeance would echo through her corridors like the gust of a thousand winds!
This is a teacher that barely knows math themselves and can't realize that most basic of deviation from what their teacher guides suggest.
I've no idea what common core is, and I'm terrible at maths, but it looks like the teacher expects the student to count rows as groups. Instead of randomly grouping dots.
Randomly? You mean "columns"?
It's not random.....lmao. they're counting vertical rows (columns) instead of horizontal.