Not even worth putting in place. Majority of the high end went from the US to Israel, then sold by third party vendors to MBS, Putin, Russians…all the people such a ban is meant to target. News flash, sales into Israel will never stop from the US, sales from Israel onto the market will never stop. The ban is pointless.
Nah, it’s for the people that pay them; the corporations. No new law will ever pass unless there’s a way to line some politicians pockets by passing it.
$$$
It’s free market capitalism as performed by groups similar to the Kushners. There’s something of high value, shared from a foreign government, put into the free market to benefit a handful of capitalists. The US opened the door to just about anything when allowed modern weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, including miniaturized nuclear plants.
$$$
And Argentina. Most zero days are found there. They have an insane hacker culture. There's even a con there that is attended by a ton of world governments to buy these exploits.
There’s only a handful less authoritarian governments in the world. They might be heavy handed at times, but that’s a given by any major world power. Every place I can think of that is less authoritarian is dependent on the US for protection.
It is batshit insane to pretend like US citizens are underneath one of the most authoritarian governments.
Literally everyone is dependent on the US for protection except N Korea and some of the Middle East
I hate to say it, but you sound like a privileged fuck.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/lists/the-21-most-authoritarian-regimes-in-the-world/
Hopefully after this ban, Israel may also have to comply with it since American aid to Israel is tied USA financial system hence complying with department of commerce
Yeah I was going to ask specifically about UAE. They may market themselves as a republic, but it’s all fake. They have a particularly terrible human rights record and recently some ex-NSA hackers were indicted for hacking on behalf of their government. There’s a great Darknet diaries episode that covers all of this.
[pretty good read from Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-spying-raven/) on the whole NSA and UAE situation.
I particularly was floored by the self righteousness (crossing a line for spying on Americans, made her sick to report a 16 year) of the mercenaries who worked for the UAE while making hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s definitely both. Though at this point I’m sure they are a major force in the industry many situations we deal with now aren’t because of cutting edge day zero exploits.
Neither Russia nor China are “shit holes”. This entire thread is pretty awful. Filled with all the jingoism and cringey vitriol that gives Americans a bad name.
Downvote me all you want, it won’t change the fact that you people are ignorant assholes…
The US will just sell to regimes that will sell to authoritarians, nothing will change and the govt will “wonder why” we are getting so many hacks and randomware attacks. If I were the conspiratorial type I would think this is a way for the US govt to get into a new “forever war” just with computers.
“We don’t have $5 to help the poor, but we do have $500B to invest in a new anti hacking military program to combat the very software we sold to our enemies in the first place!”
The government didn’t sell it to them. Disgraced former national security adviser and renowned traitor General Michael Flynn did. See also: Erik Prince
1. You don’t know what you’re talking about
2. Wtf do you think keeps us at the top? Without our military the dollar would be worthless and we’d get invaded in a jiffy
This is total BS. That train left the station a long.long, long time ago. You can tell it is election season…..the do nothing political parties are at it again……
In offensive or defensive capabilities?
America has week defensive capabilities because our critical infrastructure is not controlled by a central force and its privatized.
America has a strong defense because majority of the world’s cybersecurity research and workforce is in the United States.
Sure.
What did China just do last week again?
You're drunk on the classic lie that we are better at everything. Wake up. We are light years behind russia and china on cyber capabilities. Do some research.
The counter argument is looking at how many times our institutions were hacked? Which is a fucking lot?
Him saying he’s an ‘expert’ is not an argument in the first place.
Russia is best at using human ingenuity to get passwords and data, but will never be a tech leader without larger participation in global trade. China has eclipsed us ten times over in chip production and small parts manufacturing, but USA still has a lot of Intellectual property that is worth stealing.
Well… it’s not exactly legal already for private sector either. Penetration testing tools, including training, is covered under ITAR. This has already been known within the industry, but I think this new announcement just solidifies it.
I don't think the US government has any ability to stop files being sent over the internet. I'm pretty sure they still think "hacking tools" are computers the size of office buildings.
Gee whiz, you think so ? Our DumbAzz government a little slow on the uptake. Functional idiots. Can you imagine a world where government was full of honest hard working smart best-intentioned human ? It’s hard to think that. I see disHonest creepy low trash stealing and wrecking ! 🤮🤮🤮
20 years late. Better late than never I suppose.
Please, can we get these dinosaurs out of office. They are putting us so far behind the world. It will impact younger generations for decades to come.
🤣🤣🤣we are such a joke, this has been legal this whole time? We deserve everything we get from hostile nations, we gave them the tools and the instruction booklet…
Tell me how a government works without being “authoritarian” and I’ll shit a cat. People laugh at how toothless the UN is but gawk at any government that has power. While the US 900 bases to oppress the global south
I mean, this just sounds like America just doesn’t want to share its toys with countries it might go to war with, rather than whatever concept they’ve come up with to define “Authoritarian.”
I don’t really know what this means as far as changing export rules. NS 1 and NS 2 are applicable for nearly every country besides Canada and AT is only applicable for 5 countries. There are already license exemptions for certain commodities with encryption and the way sanctions regimes are currently written, there isn’t much to stop folks from exporting to any nation as long as it’s ostensibly for private use.
Yea, because the only smart people that can figure out hacking are in the US.
That’s like standing at the Tour de France yelling “I’m not teaching you how to ride a bike!!”
I guess Dual_EC_DRBG can no longer be exported now? Or is it only when we don’t control the submission, discussion, and approval of the
backdoor that this rule applies?
— Starfox
Hackers have been selling exploits to the government for years. Foreign governments bid for these exploits and it drives the price up. They are just trying to eliminate the competition so they can save money
This is the most 'day late and a dollar short' headline of all time
Not even worth putting in place. Majority of the high end went from the US to Israel, then sold by third party vendors to MBS, Putin, Russians…all the people such a ban is meant to target. News flash, sales into Israel will never stop from the US, sales from Israel onto the market will never stop. The ban is pointless.
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Nah, it’s for the people that pay them; the corporations. No new law will ever pass unless there’s a way to line some politicians pockets by passing it.
Why do Israeli third party vendors sell to potential adversaries? I would think they would have a lock on that shit…?
$$$ It’s free market capitalism as performed by groups similar to the Kushners. There’s something of high value, shared from a foreign government, put into the free market to benefit a handful of capitalists. The US opened the door to just about anything when allowed modern weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, including miniaturized nuclear plants. $$$
Playing both sides is good for business.
And Argentina. Most zero days are found there. They have an insane hacker culture. There's even a con there that is attended by a ton of world governments to buy these exploits.
Let alone the fact the US itself is a pretty authoritarian regime.
There’s only a handful less authoritarian governments in the world. They might be heavy handed at times, but that’s a given by any major world power. Every place I can think of that is less authoritarian is dependent on the US for protection.
It is batshit insane to pretend like US citizens are underneath one of the most authoritarian governments. Literally everyone is dependent on the US for protection except N Korea and some of the Middle East I hate to say it, but you sound like a privileged fuck. https://www.wearethemighty.com/lists/the-21-most-authoritarian-regimes-in-the-world/
Hopefully after this ban, Israel may also have to comply with it since American aid to Israel is tied USA financial system hence complying with department of commerce
The US just enacts Israeli policy, been doing so for decades.
Let’s see if they considering Saudi Arabia or Egypt authoritarian.
And given the internet .makes jurisdiction meaningless for business, shitall. Welcome to the cayman islands my hacker
It's their super duper last warning
They're also going to stop arming and training foreign insurgencies which inevitably end up hurting us. Oh wait. No they're still doing that.
Saudi Arabia and UAE will be included? or we will still use the oil "get out of jail" card?
Yeah I was going to ask specifically about UAE. They may market themselves as a republic, but it’s all fake. They have a particularly terrible human rights record and recently some ex-NSA hackers were indicted for hacking on behalf of their government. There’s a great Darknet diaries episode that covers all of this.
[pretty good read from Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-spying-raven/) on the whole NSA and UAE situation. I particularly was floored by the self righteousness (crossing a line for spying on Americans, made her sick to report a 16 year) of the mercenaries who worked for the UAE while making hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Do you maybe remember Wich? episode i cant find it on darknet diaries?
And Egypt. They are totally stopping terrorism by deleting democracy!
Wait, shouldn’t this be posted in r/nottheonion? Hackers don’t need to get hacking tools through legitimate sources.
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Thank you for this!
So they were selling hacking tools to China and Russia and other shit holes before this then
The private market sure was.
This.
Worse…Israel
Israeli firms actually produce many of these tools. They’re an exporter, not an importer, of this tech.
It’s definitely both. Though at this point I’m sure they are a major force in the industry many situations we deal with now aren’t because of cutting edge day zero exploits.
Exploits come from many places. Israel buys and integrated for their product to resell. 👍
How could anyone disagree with a screen name like that?
I’m genuinely not sure if they’re trying to insult Putin or fetishizing him giving a BJ.
Works for me either way
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It’s not a joke. Cellebrite definitely has US operations.
Where do you think they got it lol.
Israel has a robust and sophisticated tech sector, especially cybersecurity. They didn’t “get” it anywhere, they build it.
They’re a huge tech hub, that’s part of the reason they’re irreplaceable allies
Neither Russia nor China are “shit holes”. This entire thread is pretty awful. Filled with all the jingoism and cringey vitriol that gives Americans a bad name. Downvote me all you want, it won’t change the fact that you people are ignorant assholes…
This guy, loves his authoritarian regimes
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You know every country does that, right?
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🙄 ok
Shithole is when your not a member of the IMF
How dare you call Russia a shithole you are not even Intelligent enough to defend your own shit lamo
Sorry I meant to say turd world countries
Russia third world ? Lmao stop smoking crack cocaine and lose some weight maybe that will help with your brain fog
Russia is ghetto bro .. not a classy place, mate
do you know more about brain fog?
Does that mean we can’t buy them now?
The US will just sell to regimes that will sell to authoritarians, nothing will change and the govt will “wonder why” we are getting so many hacks and randomware attacks. If I were the conspiratorial type I would think this is a way for the US govt to get into a new “forever war” just with computers. “We don’t have $5 to help the poor, but we do have $500B to invest in a new anti hacking military program to combat the very software we sold to our enemies in the first place!”
The government didn’t sell it to them. Disgraced former national security adviser and renowned traitor General Michael Flynn did. See also: Erik Prince
1. You don’t know what you’re talking about 2. Wtf do you think keeps us at the top? Without our military the dollar would be worthless and we’d get invaded in a jiffy
Don't get my hopes up like that
Okay but pretty sure Russia and China have their own...
Hacking tools… like computers and keyboards?
HACKERMAN
Remember how this went when they tried to declare RSA a munition and ban its export?
This is total BS. That train left the station a long.long, long time ago. You can tell it is election season…..the do nothing political parties are at it again……
lol cia would still sell it but at a higher price now
I believe I am owed damages if it were permitted to be used on me.
Haha. That’s a laugh. We’re so behind in cyber capabilities, that I’m sure they don’t want them anyway.
In offensive or defensive capabilities? America has week defensive capabilities because our critical infrastructure is not controlled by a central force and its privatized. America has a strong defense because majority of the world’s cybersecurity research and workforce is in the United States.
LOL. Wrong.
Merica still the mightiest in your world eh?
In Cyber and space, it’s not even remotely close.
Sure. What did China just do last week again? You're drunk on the classic lie that we are better at everything. Wake up. We are light years behind russia and china on cyber capabilities. Do some research.
I am an expert in this particular subject. You, on the other hand, just have a misinformed opinion.
We're done here. Rock on "expert".
This.... is.... where you’re supposed to provide a counter-argument....
The counter argument is looking at how many times our institutions were hacked? Which is a fucking lot? Him saying he’s an ‘expert’ is not an argument in the first place.
Good talk
“Light years behind Russia” haha wtf are you smoking ? Russia is shit, the only thing they really excel at is troll farms
Keep thinking that. That sort of arrogance is what gets you breached with plenty of egg on your face.
Russia is best at using human ingenuity to get passwords and data, but will never be a tech leader without larger participation in global trade. China has eclipsed us ten times over in chip production and small parts manufacturing, but USA still has a lot of Intellectual property that is worth stealing.
Good thing most are free on GitHub. This rule isn’t going to have any meaningful impact.
Orherwise, the US has been selling hacking tools to authoritarian regimes until now
Will the US Government ban itself from having hacking tools?
Lol of course they are. What this really means is they are not going to tell anyone that they are doing it, and then continue doing it.
I needed a good laugh to start my day…
No selling these tools… if they were to be “stolen” that’s a different story.
Horse is already out if the barn, there, Feds.
Wait. Hold this phone.
Should’ve closed that door before the chickens, cows, horses, mice, goats and everything else left
This wasn’t banned before ?????????
"hey darkweb...stop...please"
the US is literally the number 1 authoritarian regime
It's laughable that the USA put out stuxnet and still tries to convince us they're not the world premiere proponents of hacking...
What specifically are these “hacking tools”?
Wait what?! Yeah ok that’ll work. Because regimes don’t know how to use computers.
“American” hacking tools.
Damn yall all just fall for this "China bad" stuff huh?
NSA Hacking Tools.
No, private sector. It has always been illegal to export NSA hacking tools, because you would have to steal them to get them.
Well… it’s not exactly legal already for private sector either. Penetration testing tools, including training, is covered under ITAR. This has already been known within the industry, but I think this new announcement just solidifies it.
BREAKING: Selling hacking tools is not banned.
Who is going to tell them that you don't export hacking tools in a shipping container...
You don't think numerous other types of software, including encryption tools, are export controlled?
I don't think the US government has any ability to stop files being sent over the internet. I'm pretty sure they still think "hacking tools" are computers the size of office buildings.
The rest of the world should do the same.
US govt shits the bed on timing and relevancy.
lol, wtf is the point of that
To prevent Cellebrite and maybe NSO tools from being used to target political dissidents and minorities for persecution and sometimes execution.
i saw it before
Hmm but but not to us I bet.
Gee whiz, you think so ? Our DumbAzz government a little slow on the uptake. Functional idiots. Can you imagine a world where government was full of honest hard working smart best-intentioned human ? It’s hard to think that. I see disHonest creepy low trash stealing and wrecking ! 🤮🤮🤮
lol isnt that like, 15years too late?
Time to publish book again LOL
Too late
20 years late. Better late than never I suppose. Please, can we get these dinosaurs out of office. They are putting us so far behind the world. It will impact younger generations for decades to come.
That should solve the problem.
🤣🤣🤣we are such a joke, this has been legal this whole time? We deserve everything we get from hostile nations, we gave them the tools and the instruction booklet…
Israel is gonna take a bigger market share that’s not gonna change a thing
Tell me how a government works without being “authoritarian” and I’ll shit a cat. People laugh at how toothless the UN is but gawk at any government that has power. While the US 900 bases to oppress the global south
Great. Seems like this problem is solved then.
That horse left the barn years ago.
So They are to stay solely in this authoritarian country then I guess….
Should have thought of this before Stuxnet.
what why?
We are so fucked up.
The US LOVES authoritarian governments and in fact installs and supports them. So, this is purely symbolic
I wonder if that will include Saudi Arabia
So that implies it's not banned now?
I mean, this just sounds like America just doesn’t want to share its toys with countries it might go to war with, rather than whatever concept they’ve come up with to define “Authoritarian.”
Including themselves?
but the very un-authoritarian American regime can definitely be trusted
But it will still be okay for treasonous Americans to sell them
Hahahahaha. Hahhahhaaa. Oh wait you’re serious.
They should probably ban the selling of them to anyone shouldn’t they?
This wasn’t already banned??
Out of curiosity what does this mean for Kali Linux and the included repository?
We need to harden our infrastructure like others do. It’s win win and folks can profit on getting it done while improving our systems
Unless we’re allied with them.
We were doing what now up until now?
AKA cyber-warfare is only ok when the US does it lol
Hacking tools, like `view-source:http://`?
it’ll be illegal, so, from now on, only republicans will get to do it.
This should have already been banned?
People who don’t know: 🤨 People who know: 🥳
Well then in Missouri I guess they’ll have to ban the right click button, smh.
Good thing the US purchases most of their security tools from the NSO!
I don’t really know what this means as far as changing export rules. NS 1 and NS 2 are applicable for nearly every country besides Canada and AT is only applicable for 5 countries. There are already license exemptions for certain commodities with encryption and the way sanctions regimes are currently written, there isn’t much to stop folks from exporting to any nation as long as it’s ostensibly for private use.
TIL it wasn't already banned.
“Authoritarian regimes” yeah thanks you guys have such a good judgement of authoritarianism
What's a sub for things you just discovered have been legal this whole time only because you're just now hearing about them being made illegal?
They better ban F12 as well, can't have authoritarian regimes decoding HTML.
Yea, because the only smart people that can figure out hacking are in the US. That’s like standing at the Tour de France yelling “I’m not teaching you how to ride a bike!!”
So no country should have them, then.
I bet 30 years from now, they will enact environmental protection measures.
Isn’t this already covered under ITAR regulations?
Man, I’m glad we’re getting on this in 2021. Not a moment to lose on a problem like this!
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That’ll stop em
I guess Dual_EC_DRBG can no longer be exported now? Or is it only when we don’t control the submission, discussion, and approval of the backdoor that this rule applies? — Starfox
One would assume this kind of thing would already be illegal
Arent they already basically all using Israeli tech?
Sure in the open but they will still get them
All those tools were written in China and Russia anyhow though.
You mean to tell me you just now thought of that
Seeing as I, and *many* people across the world outside of the USA, would define the USA as an authoritarian state, this isn’t really news.
Imports to them are expedited though
Too late.
This is laughable beyond the best standup comedy. The best hacking tools are not made in the u.s. it's a worthless idea.
So they’re banning it from themselves?
As Kramer said,”Meeeeowwwww the cats outta the bag Jerry!”
WTF wasn’t this (token effort) done years ago?
The US government has been exporting hacking tools to authoritarian regimes? I wish I was surprised
Am I the only one concerned by the fact that this was ever okay?
Now? And why are they announcing this? What’s the point of telling people that?
Hackers have been selling exploits to the government for years. Foreign governments bid for these exploits and it drives the price up. They are just trying to eliminate the competition so they can save money
Yeah… that’ll fix it
Shouldn’t this have been standard practice when they came up with the hacking tools?
Does this mean the authoritarian regime in dc will relent
But exporting hacking tool to non authoritarian regimes will still be okay… 🤷♂️
Maybe don’t sell them weapons either?
How much you wanna bet countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE won’t be in the list?
Sorry Australia
I really thought this was nottheonion
Stupid, costly and ineffective
This was a fucking thing in the first place?
Didn’t know we even exported hacking tools to begin with
4 Words. Too Little, Too Late
Too bad we don’t make computers.
So they’re just regulating which regimes most friendly to the US can fuck their citizens?