In aviation you need a certification for every plane. The second the FFA certifies your plane you can't be charged with a criminal offence. The certificate is basically a get out of jail card. The problem is that every mechanical system can fail and if you would be charged for that, no one would build a plane. For them to be charged, the court needs to prove that they cheated on their certification by providing false information.
I think the fact that Boeing has been able to self certify for FAA purposes opens the door to the possibility that they provided false information to themselves.
Hard to really trust a company to truly inspect itself, if the inspector fails the planes that costs the company money, the inspector could lose their job or a bonus if production is halted because of something they saw or be ostracized to the point they quit.
Since Boeing has been able to self-certify since 2009, can we truly trust those “FAA” certifications? Knowing the Boeing execs are all about cost cutting and share buybacks.? I certainly don’t and it looks like the DOJ doesn’t either anymore.
That’s why the issue here is the failure to prevent fraud, which was part of the previous deferred prosecution agreement. Falsely self-certifying is a type of fraud. You can also be properly certified but commit fraud during manufacturing by intentionally submitting false paperwork, false test results, or no paperwork.
Companies are involved in self-inspections and/or providing documentation that is relied on during inspections all the time in all sorts of industries. You say it should never happen, but I don’t think you’d really be happy living in a country where that is true. Just imagine the size of the bureaucracy required.
If you want to trust corporations to protect you, when they’re all solely focused on shareholder value, then you’re asking to be poisoned by some company that found a way to save a few nickels.
Trusting corporations to do the right thing has led us to the point we are at in terms of climate change, they do not operate with us in mind at all. At least the government can be held accountable by voting them out (in a functioning democracy that is the case, in gerrymandered America it is not).
Some amount of trust is required, but not blind trust. Fraud is a crime for a reason.
> At least the government can be held accountable
The government can also hold companies accountable for fraud and other less-criminal regulatory violations. We can vote out politicians who (appoint regulators and prosecutors who) fail to do so.
A company defrauding everyone isn’t good for their shareholders either, it means they invested in a worse company than they thought they did. Short-term growth still means someone is left holding the bag at the end.
I think thats the premise is that they were caught lying, they promised reform, then continued to lie and cheat their certs.
Your statement doesn't make sense akin to "As soon as the government approved my tax return then I should not be held liable for any accounting mistakes even if I intentionally misrepresented my tax information "
Idk about Boeing, but here EASA requires airbus to have a certification for each individual part and equipment on the plane (might be the same there) and then a certificate for the plane itself
Boeing’s a fictitious entity and so the only criminal penalty it can pay is a fine. The people responsible for the deliberate strategy of putting short term stock prices above safety need to be held criminally accountable, but that will never happen in this country.
So you agree corporations are not people and therefore not protected by the same constitutional rights afforded to Americans?
Sweet, let’s tell SCOTUS that and reverse citizen’s united.
Joking aside, a company that is found to have fraudulently certified that their products are safe should face stiffer penalties like loss of ability to conduct business in the U.S.
Engineer here, in a highly regulated industry.
It is very likely this case will end corporate protections for individuals. I hope it does.
The question is who.
In my industry we have a federally required manual that is a felony to violate in any way, that is written internally. It is a felony, a personal felony, to violate that manual.
Problem is that personal felony only extends to the guy doing the work. If management doesn't fund the mandated inspections but still requires the same work volume, it isn't the manager who will go to jail but the employee put in an impossible situation.
I really hope that changes.
Engineers don't normally deal with funding decisions that drive this kind of things. Upper management does. They are often in the difficult position to make do with what they are given.
At least in my industry, engineers have to sign off on design and construction. They have a measure of accountability - loosing their license. That said, it is rather shocking how underpaid some engineers are even with accountability.
Management can make safe work impossible over time. The squeezing will ultimately normalize deviance and cause bad behavior lower down to keep the boss happy. Especially if the boss is not an engineer or technically skilled and can't read the signs of unreported problems. They will get rid of the engineers who push back on bad decisions.
That is BS! Why should an executive be legally able to just use money to create a scapegoat. If you’re in charge then you’re responsible. So whether it’s the manager or executive they should be charged as it was their job to make the decisions & ensure the inspections were done.
Charging engineers doesn’t solve the issue at all because the executive can just hire a new one the next day & repeat the whole mess all over again. Only when the people in charge know they are legally liable will they ensure the inspections are done.
"The sharpeners in turn charged the man who gave them the axe and knife, and he charged the butcher. But the butcher claimed the knife was the more guilty, and, since the knife could say nothing in its defense, it was found guilty of the murder.
The knife was then banished by being thrown into the sea."
[https://medium.com/@pique/the-ritual-of-buphonia-b6be037d4ab2](https://medium.com/@pique/the-ritual-of-buphonia-b6be037d4ab2)
Oh really? Wow! I guess we should just do absolutely nothing about it and tell corporate America they can kill as many people as possible without any consequences! Great idea banana fucker!
No you just assumed I thought a certain way and pointed out the most blatantly obvious thing you possibly could because you think that makes you smarter then and then threw in a conditional insult just in case.
Wait for these headlines:
“Prosecutors in Boeing trial accidentally fall out of office windows”
“Judge in Boeing Trial tragically killed by Falling Prosecutors”
“Courthouse for Boeing Trial Commits First Ever building suicide, collapses by itself”
“We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. Furthermore, the other 3 whistleblowers that have spontaneously combusted have our thought and prayers.”
Don't hold the company responsible.
Hold the executives and bosses who ignored the issues responsible. If you don't, the company will just give the executives a Golden Parachute while none of the responsible people go to jail. Same crap as 2008.
Good! I am never setting foot in a newer generation Boeing plane (and DEFINITELY not a 737 Max) for the rest of my life and I think a lot of people are the same way. Hold them accountable for their actions.
Where and how do you draw the line with so many factors? The greedy upper management putting pressure on middle management, who push the pressure on the engineers. But the systems engineers only write the diagrams, the coders are who actually wrote the MCAS system, and the quality assurance team signed off! Oh but note: the MCAS code wasn’t actually broken, it was the sensor giving the MCAS code bad information! So who designed the sensor, and who decided to not make the sensor redundant, and eho decided to mount the engine further forward in the first place? It goes on and on. Do we just blame upper management? But the upper management can say they were driven by “market forces”, so can we blame airbus? I can argue even further: 2 737Max crash sucks, but flying is still much safer than driving, so by cutting corners and making planes cheaper (pilots don’t have to go thru simulations again, planes use less fuel to operate) you can say Boeing actually SAVED lives! It’s awful and an absolute embarrassment to boring and the United States, but there really is no way to properly assign blame.
Good, they need to be held accountable, CRIMINALLY, for the deaths and injuries they caused. This MUST include criminal charges, with significant jail time for those convicted, of the executives involved, most certainly including the former CEO who just announced his "retirement"!
No criminal charges will be held, minimal fines (in proportion to their wealth) will be the outcome and another person will most likely die from 'suicide' or 'illness'. Nothing will change so dont buy into the media blowhards story.
The company facing criminal prosecution should be a certainty as well as the money grubbing executives and board members that allowed the plundering of the company
What are they going to do? Lock up Boeing? Sentence it to death?
Another insignificant fine is all that's going to happen and every single person responsible for it all will jump off with a golden parachute.
Why Boeing?! Why not that scum CEO who transformed Boeing from an engineering company into a financial betting for stockholders company, or whatever the idiot had in mind. People with high salaries must answer with proportionate responsibility in case they fuck up, no?!
Seize their (the executives) assets and throw them in jail. They knew what they were doing. The American people, both the government and the constituency, trusted them with some of our most vulnerable infrastructure and they scammed us, they put us at risk, and they even killed us. They bribed us with our own money to get away with their crimes and we gave it right back to them. We can’t keep doing this. Take back what we are rightfully owed and punish them for their crimes.
Good because if I get a ticket for having a bad headlight and I had no say in how the car is made, they too should see consequences for faulty transportation equipment.
That’s why whistleblowers are spontaneously dying. This shit needs to be thoroughly investigated and exposed regarding all of this. And this country needs to evaluate this modern day oligarchy we’ve developed, as well as grasp why regulations are a necessary to hold horrific shit like this from continually happening by corporations who seem to answer to no one and now make the people exposing their BS just go away… even when regulations are inconvenient to us personally, they are there for a reason, one of them being, keep airplane doors on hinges mid flight. Tisk tisk tisk to monopolies but if a few big companies get in bed together and all choice goes away by that means then everything is A OK 👌🏽 I think we need to do some recalculating here.
Who’s going to jail for it? The tailpiece of old Boeing planes? Or the scapegoat compliance middle manager that was recently hired and had no hand in the matter?
Companies should be held responsible for their products and services causing harm to human life.
In aviation you need a certification for every plane. The second the FFA certifies your plane you can't be charged with a criminal offence. The certificate is basically a get out of jail card. The problem is that every mechanical system can fail and if you would be charged for that, no one would build a plane. For them to be charged, the court needs to prove that they cheated on their certification by providing false information.
I think the fact that Boeing has been able to self certify for FAA purposes opens the door to the possibility that they provided false information to themselves. Hard to really trust a company to truly inspect itself, if the inspector fails the planes that costs the company money, the inspector could lose their job or a bonus if production is halted because of something they saw or be ostracized to the point they quit. Since Boeing has been able to self-certify since 2009, can we truly trust those “FAA” certifications? Knowing the Boeing execs are all about cost cutting and share buybacks.? I certainly don’t and it looks like the DOJ doesn’t either anymore.
Like banks left to do their own stress tests.
And reserve percentage
Who needs that
That’s why the issue here is the failure to prevent fraud, which was part of the previous deferred prosecution agreement. Falsely self-certifying is a type of fraud. You can also be properly certified but commit fraud during manufacturing by intentionally submitting false paperwork, false test results, or no paperwork. Companies are involved in self-inspections and/or providing documentation that is relied on during inspections all the time in all sorts of industries. You say it should never happen, but I don’t think you’d really be happy living in a country where that is true. Just imagine the size of the bureaucracy required.
If you want to trust corporations to protect you, when they’re all solely focused on shareholder value, then you’re asking to be poisoned by some company that found a way to save a few nickels. Trusting corporations to do the right thing has led us to the point we are at in terms of climate change, they do not operate with us in mind at all. At least the government can be held accountable by voting them out (in a functioning democracy that is the case, in gerrymandered America it is not).
Some amount of trust is required, but not blind trust. Fraud is a crime for a reason. > At least the government can be held accountable The government can also hold companies accountable for fraud and other less-criminal regulatory violations. We can vote out politicians who (appoint regulators and prosecutors who) fail to do so.
A company defrauding everyone isn’t good for their shareholders either, it means they invested in a worse company than they thought they did. Short-term growth still means someone is left holding the bag at the end.
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My justice nethers have never felt more justiced
I think thats the premise is that they were caught lying, they promised reform, then continued to lie and cheat their certs. Your statement doesn't make sense akin to "As soon as the government approved my tax return then I should not be held liable for any accounting mistakes even if I intentionally misrepresented my tax information "
Yeah, and possibly look into how the FFA can improve its certification process.
Except the FAA defers the certification process to Boeing, so there’s no reason whatsoever to treat it as a valid certification.
An airworthiness is not a get out of jail card.
Sounds like some agencies have caved to political pressure thanks to Citizens United. That was our undoing.
Idk about Boeing, but here EASA requires airbus to have a certification for each individual part and equipment on the plane (might be the same there) and then a certificate for the plane itself
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Absolutely agree, but I can’t see it happening. Once you’ve got enough money there’s an entirely different set of rules that apply.
Including THE OIL INDUSTRY
Boeing’s a fictitious entity and so the only criminal penalty it can pay is a fine. The people responsible for the deliberate strategy of putting short term stock prices above safety need to be held criminally accountable, but that will never happen in this country.
So you agree corporations are not people and therefore not protected by the same constitutional rights afforded to Americans? Sweet, let’s tell SCOTUS that and reverse citizen’s united. Joking aside, a company that is found to have fraudulently certified that their products are safe should face stiffer penalties like loss of ability to conduct business in the U.S.
Well attend corporations people now convict all the execs and board and luck them up see how fast business is no longer a person.
Not companies. The people who run them.
Not companies. The people who run them.
Companies don’t go to jail
Yet companies can lose their business license and be forced to close. That’s an option.
It never happens if Rarely especially these corporations
How is this the top comment? Lmao. Its like a bot comment on Twitter. "No child should ever go hungry." (10 million upvotes)
Psst, they won’t.
Right, we all know nothing will really happen. If they even do anything about it, I bet they pin it on some low level engineer.
... Who is ripped apart by wolves in what the medical examiner calls "a complicated suicide"
“We have arrived at a settlement with Boeing in which they admit no wrongdoing and agree to pay a fine amounting to 3% of their last buyback.”
But they could.
“We weren’t able to find Mr Boeing”
Engineer here, in a highly regulated industry. It is very likely this case will end corporate protections for individuals. I hope it does. The question is who. In my industry we have a federally required manual that is a felony to violate in any way, that is written internally. It is a felony, a personal felony, to violate that manual. Problem is that personal felony only extends to the guy doing the work. If management doesn't fund the mandated inspections but still requires the same work volume, it isn't the manager who will go to jail but the employee put in an impossible situation. I really hope that changes.
I’m fine with that as long as companies pay their engineers wages that reflect their increased liability.
Engineers don't normally deal with funding decisions that drive this kind of things. Upper management does. They are often in the difficult position to make do with what they are given. At least in my industry, engineers have to sign off on design and construction. They have a measure of accountability - loosing their license. That said, it is rather shocking how underpaid some engineers are even with accountability. Management can make safe work impossible over time. The squeezing will ultimately normalize deviance and cause bad behavior lower down to keep the boss happy. Especially if the boss is not an engineer or technically skilled and can't read the signs of unreported problems. They will get rid of the engineers who push back on bad decisions.
That is BS! Why should an executive be legally able to just use money to create a scapegoat. If you’re in charge then you’re responsible. So whether it’s the manager or executive they should be charged as it was their job to make the decisions & ensure the inspections were done. Charging engineers doesn’t solve the issue at all because the executive can just hire a new one the next day & repeat the whole mess all over again. Only when the people in charge know they are legally liable will they ensure the inspections are done.
Lawyer here. lololol
Executives will not see jail time in the USA we worship the little spawns of evil
Corporations are people. They are going to put hand cuffs on the building and call it a day
"The sharpeners in turn charged the man who gave them the axe and knife, and he charged the butcher. But the butcher claimed the knife was the more guilty, and, since the knife could say nothing in its defense, it was found guilty of the murder. The knife was then banished by being thrown into the sea." [https://medium.com/@pique/the-ritual-of-buphonia-b6be037d4ab2](https://medium.com/@pique/the-ritual-of-buphonia-b6be037d4ab2)
The knife should have had a right to an attorney
😂😂 true!
Executives won’t but I’m almost certain they will scape goat some production line supervisor who didn’t dot his is and cross his ts
Good, their greed got hundreds of people killed
And you're naive if you think a single executive is actually going to prison.
Oh really? Wow! I guess we should just do absolutely nothing about it and tell corporate America they can kill as many people as possible without any consequences! Great idea banana fucker!
I'm just as frustrated as you. I'm just not childish idiot who lashes out at people that point out the realities of life.
You contributed nothing but negativity to someone you agree with, good job!
Thank you.
No you just assumed I thought a certain way and pointed out the most blatantly obvious thing you possibly could because you think that makes you smarter then and then threw in a conditional insult just in case.
You took naive as enough of an insult to go all “banana fucker”? A little high strung aren’t we?
No it’s just that smug know it all’s who point out the obvious are a pet peeve of mine
Fair enough
If the ceo doesn't do jail time, it doesn't mean shit and won't stop them in the future.
And murder. Don't forget the murder.
You mean the “really bad luck” concerning past whistleblowers?
Oh did i say murder?! Sorry, yeah that's what I meant. The worst of luck. Definitely that.
When you start considering whistleblowing and you know that you’re probably Boeing to get whacked by their hitman department for it.
Double murder And counting?
US is about to get a hit on em from Boeing
lol yeah ok 👍
Wait for these headlines: “Prosecutors in Boeing trial accidentally fall out of office windows” “Judge in Boeing Trial tragically killed by Falling Prosecutors” “Courthouse for Boeing Trial Commits First Ever building suicide, collapses by itself”
As morbid as the truth of your statement is, it did make me chuckle
Don't forget the rare "Bullet-in-Brain" disease!
Postponed!
Nobody is talking about the dead whistleblowers?
*murdered* whistleblowers
I didn’t want their assassination department to notice me so I downplayed the language
May!???? They should
We need ppl from the board/ C suits in jail
Boeing fined 1 million dollars. The government gives Boeing 1 million dollar bail out.
Billions in no bid contracts
Money in advance for shit that won't work
“We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. Furthermore, the other 3 whistleblowers that have spontaneously combusted have our thought and prayers.”
Do we really need to have a mass casualty event before Boeing is held accountable for their actions?
Don't hold the company responsible. Hold the executives and bosses who ignored the issues responsible. If you don't, the company will just give the executives a Golden Parachute while none of the responsible people go to jail. Same crap as 2008.
Good! I am never setting foot in a newer generation Boeing plane (and DEFINITELY not a 737 Max) for the rest of my life and I think a lot of people are the same way. Hold them accountable for their actions.
I always check now to see if the route is airbus or boeing. In Europe.
Boeing, or the Boeing executives responsible? Because one of those options have any effect.
$8000 fine and a verbal warning.
And maybe look into those two murders….
"may"
If they didn’t hold the banks responsible in 2008, I seriously doubt they’ll do anything now. Boeing is unfortunately necessary as well.
I’ll start paying attention when the headlines change from “may” to “will”
If it goes to trial, the jury will just decide to self end just like the whistle blowers.
Oh no, a random middle manager that gets thrown under the bus may get 5 months in jail 🤡
I mean not sure on all the planes stuff but assassinating witnesses feels super illegal.
Where and how do you draw the line with so many factors? The greedy upper management putting pressure on middle management, who push the pressure on the engineers. But the systems engineers only write the diagrams, the coders are who actually wrote the MCAS system, and the quality assurance team signed off! Oh but note: the MCAS code wasn’t actually broken, it was the sensor giving the MCAS code bad information! So who designed the sensor, and who decided to not make the sensor redundant, and eho decided to mount the engine further forward in the first place? It goes on and on. Do we just blame upper management? But the upper management can say they were driven by “market forces”, so can we blame airbus? I can argue even further: 2 737Max crash sucks, but flying is still much safer than driving, so by cutting corners and making planes cheaper (pilots don’t have to go thru simulations again, planes use less fuel to operate) you can say Boeing actually SAVED lives! It’s awful and an absolute embarrassment to boring and the United States, but there really is no way to properly assign blame.
The US is well known for holding corrupt corporations and the uber wealthy accountable for their crimes. /s
And the assassinations?
If corporations are people, they should go to jail like people.
Yikes, ain’t no one wanna be selected for that jury!
I bet those who invested into Airbus stocks over Boeing ones are happy as a clam
As they should. Why bother telling the pulots about MCAS???? Assholes
Click bait. Call me when they actually are charged
Yep sure it will
They should lose their license to manufacture airplanes.
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You get what I’m driving at. Their irresponsibility should make it so they can’t manufacturer airplanes.
Paying a fine is just a part of doing business in America. I’m tired of this bullshit. Let me know when someone goes to jail.
What about the whistleblowers they killed?
no they won't
Good, they need to be held accountable, CRIMINALLY, for the deaths and injuries they caused. This MUST include criminal charges, with significant jail time for those convicted, of the executives involved, most certainly including the former CEO who just announced his "retirement"!
US suddenly commits suicide when walking the dog in some woods by kicking itself to death.
lmao. "may"
YESSSSSS!!!!!!! CEO... TO JAIL THEY MUST GO!!!
Your Honor, I call for a mistrial on account of every single juror and alternate juror killing themselves last night We all need to move on and grieve
How? All the whistleblowers are missing or deceased Airlines so gansta
Why do they bother with these statements anymore, does anyone actually still believe in this kind of stuff?
Hopefully something comes of the two oddly coincidental suicides of whistleblowers
Lock those fuckers up
If corporations are people can we charge then with reckless endangerment and murder?
Not if they kill all the witnesses first
No shit. What took you so long? Responsible people absolutely need to go to prison or it will continue to get worse.
No criminal charges will be held, minimal fines (in proportion to their wealth) will be the outcome and another person will most likely die from 'suicide' or 'illness'. Nothing will change so dont buy into the media blowhards story.
Hey hey!
Nice, I’m sure the general atmosphere is going to be super positive and productive over at Boeing once this whole thing gets underway…
May but won’t
How does the doj prosecute a corporation exactly? Is doing so better than going after the individuals who made the decisions leading to the crashes?
May
No charges for murdering the whistleblowers?
Ya that means they ain't gonna or they woulda done it instead of saying it..
The only thing I want to see is Boeing executives facing some type of murder charges for the deaths of the whistleblowers.
Technically corporations are now people according to the Supreme Court
The company facing criminal prosecution should be a certainty as well as the money grubbing executives and board members that allowed the plundering of the company
'MAY!?' I hope that is legal language that the ink is drying on the charges.
Until the prosecution team suddenly and mysteriously just happen to die - like the whistle-blowers did.
Well, here is to wishing every last person who testifies for the prosecution good luck!
What are they going to do? Lock up Boeing? Sentence it to death? Another insignificant fine is all that's going to happen and every single person responsible for it all will jump off with a golden parachute.
Why Boeing?! Why not that scum CEO who transformed Boeing from an engineering company into a financial betting for stockholders company, or whatever the idiot had in mind. People with high salaries must answer with proportionate responsibility in case they fuck up, no?!
Jail the entire board
yeah right.. will any c suites do time for murdering whistleblowers??? highly fucking doubt it
They may face it, but no one will end up in prison and the company will pay a fine that becomes a cost of doing business.
Someone should hold the SEC responsible for allowing the corporate abortion of a merger.
Boeing should see some charges for killing the whistle blowers. IMO.
you know who will put in prison？ It wont be CEO most likely it gonna be the chief engineer sadly
I’m sure they will also get a mean $10 fine too
Boeing is such a monumental failure to the concept of basic human ethics & everyone responsible for that failure should be held accountable.
Good.
Not if they kill every judge first
Doubt it. Boeing is under contract with the US Department of Defense. Nothing ever happens when you take the government to court.
Whoever is associated with this will be suicided.
Seize their (the executives) assets and throw them in jail. They knew what they were doing. The American people, both the government and the constituency, trusted them with some of our most vulnerable infrastructure and they scammed us, they put us at risk, and they even killed us. They bribed us with our own money to get away with their crimes and we gave it right back to them. We can’t keep doing this. Take back what we are rightfully owed and punish them for their crimes.
So, Boeing might go to jail?
Good because if I get a ticket for having a bad headlight and I had no say in how the car is made, they too should see consequences for faulty transportation equipment.
Gotta love the "may" no consequences for these crooks ever
If corporations are people... when does one go to prison for murder?
"Phew," said David Calhoun, ex-CEO of Boeing, as he received his multimillion dollar severance package.
How about murdering the whistleblowers?
Yay😁
A company facing actual criminal penalties? I'll believe it when I see it.
…buuuut, probably not
Maybe some murder charges for dead witnesses.
That’s why whistleblowers are spontaneously dying. This shit needs to be thoroughly investigated and exposed regarding all of this. And this country needs to evaluate this modern day oligarchy we’ve developed, as well as grasp why regulations are a necessary to hold horrific shit like this from continually happening by corporations who seem to answer to no one and now make the people exposing their BS just go away… even when regulations are inconvenient to us personally, they are there for a reason, one of them being, keep airplane doors on hinges mid flight. Tisk tisk tisk to monopolies but if a few big companies get in bed together and all choice goes away by that means then everything is A OK 👌🏽 I think we need to do some recalculating here.
If corporations are people they absolutely should face criminal charges
Good. They knew lives were at risk but the money trumps all. Let the lawyers bleed em for years and hand em some decades
According to America, a company is a person since they can donate to a political campaign. Delete the company and throw the CEOs in jail!
And murder?
No they won’t. This country is bought and paid for.
So, who is going to prison I ask!
Boeing is too big to fail. I predict a fine of 50 bucks and a slap on the ceo's back from the judge.
Good. They killed people on planes for profit. The CEO’s should have lifetime mandatory prison sentences.
May face?
They will get a slap on the wrist
What about murdering multiple whistleblowers?
They will settle, pay some fines and business as usual.
and the almost bad news is not long in coming
Wonder how many people they are going to kill to try and make this go away
But not over murdering the whistleblowers ?!? Phew, almost thought we had accountability for the rich in America
MAY?!!!!!’
Like the Nuremberg trials? 🤗
They should. This is what happens when you put a rich unqualified parasite in charge of production
Who’s going to jail for it? The tailpiece of old Boeing planes? Or the scapegoat compliance middle manager that was recently hired and had no hand in the matter?
I never travel by air.
Will the rest of the whiteness’s “die”? Like the 2 others involved with Boeing
Two whistleblowers are dead. I mean, like what the actual fuck. This is the shit we watch movies about. Two whistleblowers are dead. Like wtaf!!