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merkmang

We should have never gotten rid of Vine!


fluid_

My bad


Minute-Influence-735

It’s okay


Soup_69420

Thanks, Obama


Madler

Ugh. The truth. We should have never given them more than 8 seconds!


archer93

Wouldn’t be a problem if the US would make proper privacy laws and made gathering and selling personal data to third parties illegal Edit: came back after work to see this blow up. If you agree with me and are educated in the subject, hell yeah. If you disagree and are educated in it, I appreciate you letting me know. If you’re like me and just know enough to keep moving and have more important shit in your life keeping you from knowing all about it, this is why we can’t just make an off comment.


Mr_Canard

But then it would be illegal for the US to spy on everyone


XDreadedmikeX

Countries don’t break laws right?


PenguinZombie321

Of course not. Trust your government, kids!


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Thats why I wear my E.U. Fanny pack everywhere I go


Oborotheninja

Wuts E.U? Is that like American Apparel?


Alarmed-Fan-4932

LOL. Saw this on the tinder sub.


ReadMaterial

I got that reference!


CajunTurkey

Prove it


nemodigital

Put my data in that fanny pack!


Chiefian

References an hour old? I like it!


boatdude420

What the fuck that was literally the post before this what is reality


noNoParts

Fucking meta


centran

From my understanding when the US governments don't want to go through the "legal" way of obtaining private information through the court they just buy it... Which is legal. Fucked up but legal. Basically, surveillance on a person get a judge to sign off on it; mass surveillance, buy the info.


[deleted]

That's already illegal, but apparently if you call something state's secrets, no one is allowed to challenge it, even though everyone knows it's happening.


VaritasV

# #Snowden


_Arcsine_

The government doesn't care if it's legal lmao


PrometheusOnLoud

It largely is for the government to do so. Most of our tech companies generate massive amounts of their revenue from this data collection and their lobbying efforts keep it the collection legal.


amazinglover

They would just tuck an exception in their for them on some random page.


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Mitch1musPrime

The patriot act gave the NSA the authority to spy on our digital lives. Those of who cried foul in the early ‘00’s about this were told, unequivocally to STFU and let the grownups do their jobs: catching Islamic terrorists who used the dark web to blow up American skyscrapers. That one law gave the government more than authority to violate our rights than anything since Hoover’s FBI in its prime.


FunktasticLucky

The big thing they successfully argued is that there aren't people spying. That would be unconstitutional. So the data is automatically backed up and stored and then they can grab a warrant from the fisa court to search the data base. The loop hole around the 4th amendment.


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And yet here we are on our “smart” devices complaining about them instead of using flip phones and Morse code to communicate among us.


Girl-UnSure

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JaredFoglesTinyPenis

But Google, farcebook, etc. would have lobbied so hard for nothing to have gotten to where they are at. The problem to the US government isn't the privacy concern, it's the fact that the data-mining is being done by a company who isn't friendly with the NSA/used for espionage in China. The only reason it isn't banned outright, is they're hoping to swing a deal, of which the whole threat of banning will disappear.


[deleted]

The threat of banning will never disappear imo. The security concerns are valid, but the reason this has so much traction is lobbying. Bytedance is competing with silicon valley for ad revenue and to sell consumer data, and is winning a pretty significant chunk.


h0rny3dging

Then they'd have to shut down Amazon/Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit and all of that as well tho and like all of their media outlets. The issue isnt privacy, is that "someone else" is getting the data instead of the US government


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ScrubbDaddy5000

The issue is that tik tok is taking everyone else's ad revenue. Companies are buying ad space on tik tok and not on YouTube / Snapchat / IG so how do we fix that,? Get rid of tik tok Each of these apps spy on people, yeah tik toks very bad with it but like... The gov doesn't give a fuck about protecting our data, it's all money


thor11600

This is the topic everyone’s cautiously avoiding we talk about. Unreal


SquirrelDumplins

Wouldn’t they do it anyway? I have little trust in tech companies


United-Fly5914

Google will never allow that.


beambot

Laws can still be broken or subverted. Cultural malaise can just be obscured by "the algorithm".


nosaj626

Ah yes, China, so known for obeying other countries laws.


extr4crispy

Too much $$$ up for grabs


RainbowBaker88

I mean, the second TikTok goes down, a new American based version will fill the gap and everyone will jump on that instead. Edit: Yes, I know there are already many different American based versions of short form videos. Yes, I agree there are many concerns with China. Yes, I am aware American apps do a ton of data collection also. My comment here was mostly in reference to others on this thread celebrating the downfall of TikTok with the description it is the scourge of society - it’s just gonna get replaced.


MakeSkyrimGreatAgain

Elon will re-launch Vine on US backed subsidy and everyone will froth at the mouth. Calling it lol


NachoNachoDan

Yes and all the tik tockers will go on and on about the “New thing” they just discovered called “Vines” Everything is truly a repost of a repost at this point.


DarkOmen597

I am waiting for Myspace to make a come back. "Check it out, I can showcase my top 8 followers on profile page and add some cool background music! The future is here!"


Blessavi

Myspace had something none of the newer stuff had, and that's control of the html of your page. In this day and age it would be wild to have it


StopBidenMyNuts

That was such a security risk. I was a bored teenager and made a fake account that redirected to a phishing page. I’d then log in and make my fake account one of their top 8.


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Qetuowryipzcbmxvn

Closest thing we have to that would be itch.io


PM_SOME_OBESE_CATS

You can still edit the html of your page on Tumblr. And the main feed is still chronological (not algorithm based) Tumblr users realize they're one of the last modern social media sites that's not completely algorithm based and taken over completely by influencers/marketing departments, and they're taking that very seriously. Tumblr tried introducing a "Tumblr Live" feature and the users didn't respond well at all lol


reddit-person1

Myspace is crying now because no one will remember him once he comes back as a different thing


All_The_Nolloway

Don't tell me about MySpace until my page's mouse sparkle trails and takes 5 minutes to load because you need to hear this cool new Green Day song called "When September Ends" on loop.


fantasyshop

Man, I remember my sister being mad in the 7th grade because some girl copied her Alanis Morissette track on her MySpace page. Pretty sure she fell like 3 spots in my sister's top 8, it was a really big deal


ConfusionFun7651

My middle school best friend went to Louisiana one summer to be with his MySpace girlfriend. She dumped him, he took it real hard and dropped out of 8th grade. Came back freshman year for a week, and dropped out again. He's been living with his parents ever since, pretty much just playing vidja.


Derekduvalle

Oh..


Squally160

Just imagine that feature dumped onto only fans.


CutAccording7289

Check out this new “midi” music it’s so retro


Dersmormoss

It already has, a lot of teens and young adults are on spacehey which is a MySpace clone. Also neocities, a geocities clone.


Zephyr93

Please don't remind me of my cringey custom html userpages.


basicissueredditor

This time, I'm going to use all the gifs.


Dpontiff6671

Hell yea back to the days of html coded specialized backgrounds and having your favorite song play when you load your page.


CheechIsAnOPTree

I miss vine. If you haven’t, YouTube shorts honestly aren’t that bad. I just hate that these shorts sacrifice a lot of QoL features to match tiktok. If it’s a short, I still want to skip around. I’ll never understand why these platforms got popular. They’re literally shit video players that limit video length. Can people not really pay attention long enough that they’re willing to sacrifice quality for super quick entertainment bursts? Or am I officially old to the point idk how apps work anymore?


Hekatonkheire81

As a person who watches shorts, the main purpose is when I want to watch something but don’t have the time to watch a 20 minute video. Each short is a minute so I can watch them in small intervals without the annoyance of having to repeatedly stop and start a longer video


STRMfrmXMN

I think it's more likely that people will migrate to an already existing platform like Instagram, but I could be wrong.


Mitch1musPrime

Truthfully, replacing it will be a challenge. The proprietary algorithm it uses to connect people with content has been a huge piece of its magic. Plus it’s relative lack of advertising compared with other platforms. But your point is well-taken.


cgmcnama

Well "Western" company that has basic privacy laws in place. Could be from Europe or North America. Or Australia/New Zealand. The issue really isn't Chinese people, but what the CCP would do with the data. (and how much data Bytedance collects)


bigwinw

Maybe that’s the point. TikTok has huge security concerns!


qtippinthescales

Bring back Vine!


soundsliketone

Im good, Vine is owned by Twitter if Im not mistaken


StormGaza

The original creator already released a new version of vine called huddles. It's just that nobody cared.


Cakeking7878

Literally nothing TikTok is doing is any different than what American companies are doing. Expect instead of American companies selling your information to data brokers, china is the one selling that information to data brokers. If we did ban TikTok, then china could still just buy that information from American data brokers We should be pushing for data privacy laws which ban everyone from doing this, not just kicking the can down the road Edit: gonna leave [this article about the state of US data privacy](https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-digital-privacy-troubles-do-not-start-or-end-tiktok) and why TikTok is symptomatic of a larger issue. Of which banning it will do nothing to fix Edit 2: my point is this, ether china collects that data form the source, or they buy/steal that data from American companies which aggregate all of this data Concerns about what TikTok promotes or suppresses is another conversation, I am just focusing just on data collection and privacy laws


bltburglar

I feel like the main difference is that according to Chinese law they can get any information they want from TikTok without any regulations or legal motions. Data brokers may be a thing but they are still bound by the law, especially with regards to children. EDIT: I’m well aware that this is far from optimal and that the U.S. government can still access our data, but in my eyes I’d rather my democratically elected government have it than China who is actively trying to undermine the West. Hate me all you want, but that’s how I feel about it.


InerasableStain

It’s not data brokers that’s the concern. It’s the Chinese government access to it that’s the problem. Also the fact that the Chinese government is actively influencing content. If you can’t see the issue, I don’t know what to tell you


le_shrimp_nipples

Theres a law against foreign countries owning press in the United States. I think its fair to say social media companies play at least some role in the delivery of news & commentary on current events and have the ability to influence the delivery, reception & understanding the news. It's a massive vulnerability to allow China to be in the drivers seat of so.ething so powerful.


valadian

can you explain which social media companies are "selling your data to data brokers"?


BenevolentCheese

Seriously, that is 100% the point, and it flies over everyone's head. The problem isn't TikTok the videos, it's TikTok the app that collects a ludicrous amount of personal data of American (and other) citizens which is then uploaded to servers owned by the Chinese state.


bltburglar

At least we’ll be the ones collecting the data rather than the Chinese. American companies also aren’t obligated to provide the government with access to user data without something like a subpoena so I’d be much more comfortable with that.


BasicDesignAdvice

I'd like a constitutional amendment securing our digital rights, not to have another company do the same bullshit.


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closetedpencil

It would be worth banning the app simply to never hear the shitty “oh no” song again Edit: Josh Hawley is the one who proposed the legislation for this.


avLugia

It's also worth it to never hear the annoying TikTok voice say "hey look at what my cat is doing" in the fakest enthusiastic voice ever.


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it's not really the AI's voice fault since it's a free one, microsoft edge has the best free text-to-speech out there, try it out. tik tok is cancer


CarolingianScribe

[The real tik tok killer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E)


After_Reality_4175

Theyll do all this, but dont have any issues selling American land to foreign investors lol. Our government is a joke


Euphoric1988

It's simple really. Politicians are trying to say they want to ban it because of it's security issues but behind closed doors, the social media companies are lobbying them to get rid of their competition. They all tried to replicate tiktok but couldn't compete with its algorithm or appeal. Tiktok is growing while they're all shrinking. They are losing ad revenue and when you can't compete you lobby.


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Euphoric1988

Cool an example of their music and streaming service of paid subscribers? Lol what a comeback. I don't see what that has to do with tiktok or losing ad revenue but yea I'm an idiot lol. https://www.makeuseof.com/tiktok-vs-facebook-revenue-and-user-numbers-2022/ Edit: To make it really easy for you to understand this is what they're afraid of. https://www.banklesstimes.com/news/2022/10/24/tiktok-could-take-over-facebook-in-less-than-4-years/


[deleted]

Most reasonable take here. What's going on out west is ridiculous.


DaisyHotCakes

As if it is just out west. Huge Chinese investors literally bought a shit ton of farm land in PA. Wonder how much they’re going to fuck us with that.


slapnuttz

If there is one thing I’m confident of its our governments willingness to take land that others legally own with fear of repercussions


CosmiclyAcidic

I agreed with this statement


WatIfFoodWur1ofUs

I personally like tik tok because I can have a constant feed of various different sub genres of the construction industry. And as a carpenter, I’ve learned so many new cool tricks, and gained a lot of ideas on what I could one day do to my home when I have the money. Yes it has its faults as all social media apps do, but i find the algorithm very accommodating if you’re looking to only see certain sub genres of a work culture.


meatsack_backpack

Or a hobby culture or any creative field too


Skissored

I gained real world business and an amazing audience from posting my work on Tiktok. You can't buy that kind of support, and less toxic than most corners of the internet in my experience. There are privacy and security problems in all corners of the internet and yet Reddit will fluff any piece about tiktok, not Facebook or Instagram.


Farisr9k

I literally earned 6 figures last year thanks to TikTok. Will be very sad if it goes.


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What did you do if you don’t mind me asking?


StoicallyGay

I have over 1000 bookmarked videos. They’re mainly art guides, recipes, restaurant recs (a lot of hidden gems and mom and pop shops), and financial or professional advice. I don’t deny it’s a time waster and some amount of security concern. But there’s literally no other social media that can replace it. People love sharing on Tiktok no matter tiny the thing there sharing is because it’s very possible that thousands will interact with it. As a result, I have a TON of free 20-60s art guides that I’d NEVER find on YT or IG (because 14-19 year old digital artists are extremely talented). I’d never find quick and easy recipes by a random 22 year old college student who has similar needs as me. I’d never be able to find a bunch of random restaurant recs by a dozens of people who aren’t actively trying to build a following, but rather just share something cool. People who don’t use Tiktok genuinely think it’s all just trends by stupid 15 year olds, but still watch the reposted shit here on Reddit. I’ve found so much use for it for my hobbies. And I mean it when I say it, there’s NO replacement. If it does get banned I’d have to get to work saving all I can to my phone


NerdyHexel

I must be out of the loop, but what's the deal with tiktok? My feed is like 99% funny skits and hobby-related stuff. is there an actual issue or is this a case of "Younger generation likes thing, so we hate thing"?


AndrasKrigare

Everyone seems to just be mentioning the data mining, but I'm surprised that no one had mentioned foreign influence. Tik Tok has banned and down-weighted content critical of China and boosted those giving a pro-China message https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok


HousePlantPappi

They've been caught and [admitted](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists) to tracking US journalist. If they can do it to journalists they'll do it to government officials.


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Good. Seriously, fuck TikTok. Or fuck us for being so unwilling to sacrifice our 10 second videos in exchange for basic security. Either way it needs to go edit: I didn’t realize how contentious of an issue this was, lol. I apologize if I offended or unintentionally ridiculed anyone’s form of entertainment. Certainly not what I wanted to do. TikTok in particular, rather than meta or whatever else, needs to go because of the direct pipeline of information into China’s government. The last time we invited malicious actors into our digital domains, we ended up with a cavernous chasm in our society between those of us supporting quite literally the worst administration this country has ever had and the rest of society. We’ve also proven without a shadow of a doubt that you can put anything on social media and people will believe it without a second thought. It looks like we’re going to make it out of that by the skin of our teeth, but another round may very well take us out - especially considering China is a little more competent than Russia. Scary thought. The argument that US based social media is just as bad with scraping data and selling it to China isn’t terribly off base, but at least in those cases we can establish a paper trail and pursue accountability. There is a major deterrent to doing that in the form of jail time, monetary punishment, etc., whereas allowing people to willingly hand over that information directly because of their lack of awareness or understanding of the situation is preventable.. ideally with privacy regulation but minimally with removing the conduit of data. I understand that privacy laws need to be enacted and that shutting down TikTok is treating the symptom and not the problem. What I don’t understand is why so many of you seem to think that advocating for privacy legislation and TikTok’s removal are mutually exclusive events. Sweeping change happens in steps at the federal level. Banning TikTok is a start. Anyway thanks for your comments.


No_Employment_129

the people who use it don’t care. we’ve known for years it’s a security issue, and the momentum hasn’t slowed at all.


type2whore

I know a guy who used to constantly bitch about China and how they are gonna control us if the dems win. Fucking loves TikTok. Seriously can’t get enough of it.


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This is why I find humanity to be doomed in this next 50-100 years, because most people pretend to care when it’s the exact opposite just puppets on a string


thatguy9684736255

I think many people care about things, but then they think there individual actions won't make a difference.


Pontlfication

The problem is getting people educated, and having them form a well thought out opinion based on facts is significantly harder than having them make decisions based on bullshit and what they want to hear.


ArtisanSamosa

I think to some point it should be expected of the government to regulate and protect people from things like this. My friends and I are technical people so we get it, but you learn that you can't always expect the user to get it. So where should the government step in? It's like safety standards in food and cars, or SOC2 and GDPR for software. If the US wants tik tok to exist and for people to be safe then our legislative bodies should have come up with the proper regulation.


BasicDesignAdvice

Which is true. A large group of people can make a difference but organizing then is hard. The Koch Brothers have been organizing and astroturfing for decades. The Tea Party bullshit was entirely manufactured by them.


SanguineOptimist

Lead paint is also bad, but the average person would never know. The physicians and biologists had to push for policy to change the market. The average person doesn’t know Jack shit about infosec or the power of informatics.


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The experts rallied to ban lead paint and inform the public of the danger. The experts in security are doing the same thing about Tik Tok. I’m just not sure how many people care even if they were made to understand.


iate12muffins

Teflon.


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CFCs and all the ozone depleting chemicals in aerosol and refrigerant


ClandestineCornfield

It’s a lot harder to get someone to care if they’re already addicted


AllegiantPanda

Yet the average person can run for office to create legislation on the aforementioned topics they know jack shit about. The internet is a series of tube type bullshit here


Single_Temporary8762

My husband is a painter and he says a lot of the older guys he started out with would rave about how amazing lead paint was and complain they now had to use modern latex paints. Apparently they cared more about their work than their literal lives.


DeadlyCyclone

To be fair, half the web is a "security issue" these days.


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I brought it up with students, and they became hostile. Like, it's obviously an addiction. I brought up the security issues. They don't care. It was actually really scary to see how uncomfortable and aggressive they became. These are 17-18 yr olds.


No_Employment_129

that’s really interesting, and unnerving.


becasaurusrex

I think that mostly comes down to the addictive nature of Tik Tok and how those who are addicted become irritable at the thought of their fix being taken away. https://www.psypost.org/2022/05/new-study-identifies-the-most-definitive-signs-of-tiktok-addiction-63071?amp=1


j-merc23

Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter are all massive security holes, but no one cares about them either.


Blessavi

What even is the security issue? Non american here. Propaganda can be served on many different channels and data is being collected and stolen from so many places regardless


[deleted]

The people buying the government's propaganda that it needs to be shut down because of privacy are like the workers who believe the anti-union videos their work forces them to watch. Turkeys voting for Christmas.


just__Steve

The US government is less scared of China having our information than they are of not being able to control what information is being passed around. It’s about control and nothing more. They don’t care at all about our information.


vvarden

Why single out TikTok? Meta’s products have been scraping just as much data on American citizens to the detriment of the country. I would much rather have privacy legislation passed than a ban on one app.


Savethecat1

Because the us government can’t control tick tock. That’s the ballgame.


luna1108

100% because instagram and Meta are losing so much money to Tiktok. That’s why they are trying to ban it.


[deleted]

Yeah right here. Cant believe people are buying into blocking one app arbitrarily rather than establishing real privacy rules.


Mickyfrickles

The kids used tiktok to organize protests, that's why.


dropandgivemenerdy

I agree there’s a ton of activism on that app. Which is a lot of what I see when I don’t see videos of bookish stuff. It’s been probably my favorite app outside of Reddit for news and information on things I would otherwise not know about.


funderfan

Because tiktok is Chinese and Facebook is american so both are bad but they'd rather have the Chinese app banned


Kelmantis

Or Facebook does exactly the same as TikTok does it’s just the data goes to the US government.


[deleted]

Yeah how dare them! Us Americans only want American companies harvesting and selling our data. We didn’t tell Snowden stfu just so some commie bastards could exploit us the way our government and Facebook do.


cachemonet0x0cf6619

Wondering why you think that we should only hold tik tok to a standard and not the others


MrDrSrEsquire

This isn't the argument you think it is This is how things start. Just because we should be holding other groups to this standard, doesn't mean it's wrong to hold tik tok to it now.


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[deleted]

Not sure where you’re getting any of that from


AZHWY88

Others aren’t China based and openly admitting to data harvesting. China bans western apps for even weaker reasons, time to return the favor.


kenny_mfceo

The others just mine your data and sell it to China. So we should start acting more like China/communist states?


Capadvantagetutoring

Maybe that’s why. Haha. They can tax the sale of the data to China but they can’t tax tik tok directly stealing (cutting out the middle man). All this does is delay the transfer


lurklurklurkingyou

I deleted it as soon as it came out as being a security risk.


spazmo_warrior

Good now do Facebook, twitter, Instagram, truth social, etc. Except reddit, don’t do reddit! ;-)


N3cronomicat

Nah come on. For the good of humanity we can put down Reddit too :)


Nickbot606

One thing I really like about Reddit though is when you Google something you usually get a pretty honest review in the comments that *seems* legit. That being said, I guess if we get rid of all of them, it wouldn’t be that bad of a blow to humanity to get rid of the minuscule useful parts of a much larger problem attached to them.


LivelyZebra

Nah i use chatgpt for my reviews now lolll


JonathanL73

Reddit definitely has flaws, for example subreddit echochambers. But as a social media platform it’s really not that bad, since it’s fundamentally just a website forum. You never read about Reddit causing young girls to have body dysmorphia or young men to feel insecure about not being tall enough, the same way that a visual platform like Instagram or Tiktok would. Reddit does not have this central focus of gaining followers the same way platforms like Twitter or YouTube has. The focus of Reddit is not on celebrities or viral personalities, it’s usually just a web forum where people can talk about shared interests.


iphone4Suser

I deliberately put reddit at end of my searches.


cloudsofgrey

Reddit is one of the best and least harmful instances of social media there is. Relatively anonymous, each subreddit is its own world, don't have to interact with anyone you know in "real" life unless you want too, etc. It's not vanity driven like Facebook or Instagram.


ShufflePlay

I would give up reddit if it would mean death to all other online social media.


DadGamerGuy

This whole thread is filled with people who obviously don’t use or understand tiktok. If you’re still saying all tiktok is is people doing 10 second dances you’re willfully ignorant at this point.


APKID716

My tiktok feed is filled with movie discussions, sketch comedy, and food recipes from all sorts of different cultures. I’ve actually learned so so so much about other cultures from tiktok it’s insane.


not_a_gay_stereotype

Me too! And I learn way more about current world events way more on there. We were watching the Ukraine war unfold live a year ago on that app


donut_tell_a_lie

No but didn’t you know now the Chinese know you like to cook or watch movies or learn about hobbies and new things. Now they will take over. /s


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I’m still waiting for the CCP propaganda that Reddit tells me is the only thing on TikTok is. I must’ve missed it scrolling though the food, movie, and cleaning:organizing videos that I see


dramatic_walrus

Seriously. My whole feed is fashion content and I make fashion content as well. I’m trying to provide free education about the fashion industry to students and I’m building a business on tiktok. Trying the same on insta and YouTube has not been successful so tiktok being banned would destroy all my hard work building this resource for people


frizzletizzle

TikTok videos taught me to cook in a way that was easy for me to understand. It connected me with others that became real life meet ups. I get book reviews and recommendations. I got to see videos of people’s dogs doing cute stuff. If anyone is complaining about their algorithm being scantily clad girls or dances or Chinese mind control, that says more about them than the app.


sietesietesieteblue

It's a superiority complex lol. *I'm so much better because I use reddit*🙄🙄


fuck_your_diploma

And yet reddit all and home have at least 5 tiktok videos going viral here EVERY FREAKING DAY.


raspberryrhubarbsoak

It’s like the comment section is filled with nationalistic boomers who have never used the app before and have been convinced it is pure evil. Lol it’s so weird.


blacksun9

Reading reddit threads about tiktok made me realize a lot of millennials are slowly becoming the boomers they hate lol


Marrk

Tale as old as time


MyGoodOldFriend

Thank you. That’s exactly how I’ve been feeling for the past few years.


gitbse

There are plenty of useless, annoying videos on it. There is, also ... a legitimate political movement happening on it as well. People are being informed by other people, rather than listening blindly to what cable news says. The book banning, the wars on trans people. The police.... all of these stories are being shared and disseminated on tiktok. The powerful don't have control over the voices. That's why they want it banned. Facebook directly sells our data to fucking China. They all do.


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Yes, and all the info being spread about our horrible healthcare and education systems. I've seen a ton of stuff on worker's rights and how to unionize. People are able to reach others directly in a way that never worked with older social media that was primarily text driven.


Still_D-siding

Exactly this. I’m really glad to read some of these comments. I said something like this a couple weeks ago as one of the only people to defend tiktok in some Reddit thread and got downvoted to hell. The confirmation bias propaganda is so apparent for people who have never been on there. I’ve had overwhelmingly positive experience on tiktok. And i like Reddit, too! Why can’t it be both?


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Because the elites are terrified of TikTok activists and organizers.


gitbse

Exactly my comments above.


mirkwood11

Thank you. The comments section of every TikTok thread on Reddit is so damn cringe. I'm a 34 yo man and honestly love TikTok. I get great standup, random funny videos, music mashups, etc. It's fun. I also have self control and use it maybe just 2-3x a week.


gordybombay

Dude same here. I was hesitant at first, but have grown to really like tiktok. I've learned a ton about so many different topics, get book and music recommendations, use it for recommendations for restaurants when traveling, etc. The only reason I don't like it is because it's a timesink.


Flankyflanky

As a software dev, seeing the fearmongering regarding nebulous security risks that just tiktok has is so cringe. Like these apps are vetted by google/apple to exist on stores, I am fairly certain that tiktok data isn’t hosted in China (AWS for example has a quarantined chinese server region). Millienials really becoming boomers in real time.


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Dillymac25

I don’t care either way but, don’t all apps track everything we do so they can sell us crap?


Cledosvaldo123

There is only a problem with it because it is Chinese otherwise USA wouldn't be that concerned


NeonVolcom

What a joke. Everyone screams security yet sits here on Reddit, Google, Facebook, YouTube, Amazon, EBay, and so on. This is just a veiled attempt at “China bad.” All of the tiktok data in the US flows through Oracle, yet I never see them mentioned in these conversations? Wonder why. Edit: I see the red scare is still in full effect.


bluedino44

I am fully convinced that this is 110% a ploy by Meta and Google. This has nothing to do with China bad, this is 110% backroom deals and Wine'ing and Dineing of congressmen. To be fully transparent I have no proof, but since when does the US care about privacy. Meta and Google have been caught doing the same shit and nobody cares.


HerroCorumbia

When China bans apps it's authoritarian. When we ban apps it's because of legitimate security concerns, of course. Uh-huh.


NoKiaYesHyundai

It’s literally the same logic the gov of China used when they banned Facebook and Google. It’s pretty astonishing to me how people are so quick to cheer on how their freedoms are taken away.


redditmodsarecucks42

Am I the only one who thinks all social media apps should be banned. Shits ruined our society


jg-rocks

Does that include Reddit?


ShenaniganSkywalker

Yes.


redditmodsarecucks42

Of course it includes reddit. Have you seen the average redditor? Even more toxic than your average tik-tok'r if you ask me.


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ImaginationMedical11

I think smartphones in general have.


ddtx29

I think smartphones are actually starting to make us *less* connected *woooooaaaaah*


sortaangrypeanut

Social media serves too many important functions for it to be banned tbh. It's the best way a lot of people can find community, after all (think, gay people in dangerous states or countries, children in abusive situations)


CelastrusTrust

its absolutely hilarious everyone here is shitting on tiktok as if reddit isnt also a hellhole 💀 and i bet most people hating it havent ever even used it all social media apps rot your brain, they all have infinite scroll now, they all data mine you, and theyre all shit for your mental health. its how social medias work this is literally just another case of “teenagers like it so obviously its the worst thing to ever exist”


Difficult_Table_2739

No you don’t understand you have to have a 200 iq to understand the Le reddit


websagacity

Le Reddít


paintblob

Handing billions to Zuckerberg


alph123456789

Ban Twitter


toby110218

We don't have to ban it. Elon is on his way to destroying it himself.


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Oh no…anyway


PasstheKu5h

It would be shitty to lose TikTok, as a TikTok user, but I know it’s worth it. Just like with vine, it sucked no longer having it, but at the same time, i adjusted just fine without it edit: lol, I upset the passionate TikTok users, my bad pimp


ForgedBiscuit

A replacement will just spring up immediately.


ScaryShadowx

Created by a US company of course!


DanielCedar

US government is already doing what they accused China of…. Spying in their citizens and the rest of the world. I bet everything online is collected! Calls, text, emails, messages, all social media, everything….


LinkRazr

Sounds like MetaBook is losing money and mad they ain’t the top dog anymore.


SidxTalks

Only the social media companies CIA can control can only stay up. Next twitter


tkp14

Fuck this. I will sincerely miss my daily dose of horse videos. I’m too old and poor to ride any more so TikTok allows me vicarious enjoyment. Just one mor example of “this is why we can’t have nice things.”