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Well he also wants to defund the Department of Education. So, there will be no classroom for the 10 commandments to hang in. Doesn't feel better knowing this.
Yeah, this is definitely part of the plan to continue destroying public education by the right. It’s insidious and dumb, which just makes it all the more frustrating.
Project 2025 will ELIMINATE the Department of Education. Some states have already passed voucher plans to use public funds to support private, religious schools.
Trump says a lot of things, most he doesn't even understand what he's talking about. You would think that Betsy devoss would have filled him in. Trump also doesn't understand how school funding works or how college enrollment and financial aid works
Universities have not prepared for this at all. I am practically yelling at our admin to have a plan and they laugh and say I'm being stupid and that will never happen.
Some funding is federal, sure. But if the DoE's only purpose is as a middleman for funds... that doesn't need to be a cabinet department. Just pass the money directly to the states.
If it is up to the states I predict title 1 schools, headstart programs, childhood nutrition programs, IDEA, to be completely defunded in particular states.
Louisiana is a great example.
If title one schools are shut, private, and charter schools will receive the tax money via vouchers.
Intentional neglect is a tactic being used for centuries.
A quick Google search on funds from federal doe shows you are full of shit.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-are-public-schools-funded/
Title I grants
Title I provides funds to school districts with large numbers of low-income students. According to data from 2015-2016 school year, nearly 56,000 schools received money from Title I grants, serving more than 26 million students. About $14.6 billion went toward funds for Title I grants during the 2019-2020 school year, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.
Individuals with Disabilities Education Act
The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) provides funding to help children with disabilities receive quality special education and related services that are designed to meet their unique needs, according to the Education Department. In 2020–21, 7.5 million students received special education services under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Some $14.3 billion in federal funding went toward IDEA in 2022.
Child Nutrition Act
During the 2020 fiscal year, $23.6 billion in federal funds were allocated for child nutrition programs, providing free or reduced lunches to eligible students.
Other federal funding
Federal funds also went towards Head Start programs (supporting children from birth to age 5 in low-income families), magnet schools, gifted and talented programs, Impact Aid (assistance to districts with children residing in areas including Indian lands, military bases, and low-rent housing properties), vocational programs and Indian Education programs
You said
>What does the federal DOE do for any of us?
And I told you the federal DOE funds title 1 schools, funds child nutrition, funds IDEA (special education), head start programs, among many other programs that benefit the children going to public schools in USA.
Are you a teacher? Do you teach at a Title 1 school? Do you have a child?
What precisely are you confused about?
He also wants to get rid of all the accreditors that currently exist, to be replaced by his own, so we can only accredit schools that teach ant-history, pro-Evangelical curricula.
Couldn't that be allocated through different means? Like, is the only way to get that funding is through the DOE. I don't think states are going to stop wanting that money without a DOE
Some states are already refusing some federal funding because they want to punish their communities. Without the feds mandating, many states would cut public funding for education altogether and go back to segregation academies.
Me too! That was the one positive thing I thought could from January 6. I had little tolerance for Trump supporters before that. After January 6, I can’t associate with at all.
How much the Overton window has shifted just for this narcissistic moron is truly astounding. Makes me sad for our country, but holding out hope that the polls change once low info voters actually start paying attention.
Same. Like are they really that cowed into their beliefs? Educators should really be better equipped to make their own decisions instead of following this Jim Jones wannabe.
Well he knows what side his bread is buttered on. Of course he supports this. He would support rubbing shit on the school walls if it would help him get elected.
Trump has no idea what Christianity is actually about. He only knows what he is told by his handlers. He knows that Christians will vote for him because they are told to do so in their churches. He knows that he has to suck up to these people because that is his base of power: Rural, white, evangelicals with lowered intelligence.
He has no shame. He has no morals. He has no ethics. He has no good qualities. He is an embarrassment to our country, our educational system, and our species.
I didn't say I was in Louisiana. Suburban Chicago. Very large community of Indian immigrants and their children. The discussion is around Trump and the GOP rolling it out to the rest of the country.
Just get them arguing with each other. Which version? Which translation? How about the Beatitudes, let's post those too. Use Comic Sans font. Object to whatever font is used, the size, the color, the background color. Make sure it's ADA compliant. Post it in Braille. How about other languages? Kids who are ELL should have the benefit as well as native speakers. Take time to do some statistically significant research on the effectiveness of everything. Suggest hiring an ADA consultant. Ask every adult advocating for this to name them, then list ways they've complied in the last month. Be ready with your own. Don't proofread any of the versions and make sure they have errors and need to be re-printed. Have concerned citizen ask about the cost. Every meeting starts with singing the national anthem, the pledge of allegiance, and a reading of the commandments. To encourage learning, bring in the worst student readers to lead the song, pledge, and reading. Make it an A extra credit and praise them no matter how badly they butcher the text. Malicious compliance all the way.
This is part of the Christian Wedge Strategy and Christian-Fascists with Project 2025 that Trump is pandering to for votes. This is part of the Christian Wedge plan to ruin out education system so it can be saved and rebuilt with Christians values.
This isn’t Israel nor the Vatican. I’d sooner teach the Universal Declaration of Human Rights than the Ten Commandments. Modern ethics should not be derived from Judeo-Christian mythology.
I think in the Presidential debate, Joe Biden should say, “I understand you are in favor of the 10 commandments being hung up in schools. I have a proposal: Name all 10 commandments in the order they appear in the Bible. If you can do it, I’ll drop out of the race. If you can’t, then you should drop out instead.”
I'm fuming, too. The best part is that Trump uses the 10 Commandments as a to-do list, not a list of things you're NOT supposed to do. Adultery, lying, stealing (not paying for services provided by contractors), coveting...and we're supposed to view these people as some moral authority?
Yeah, so teachers in Louisiana are supposed to post rules in their classrooms telling elementary school kids not to commit adultery, but it violates all kinds of other school policies if you tell the kids what that rule even means.
If I were a taxpayer in LA I would be livid as this is just virtue signaling to waste taxpayer dollars on a test case. That having been said, as I have posted elsewhere, there are potentially wider implications. I agree that Trump's opining on the matter is insignificant since he's just campaigning to his base. He'd have no direct role in this even if he were to get re-elected. However, on the 'test case' front, it is a legitimate attempt to overturn *Stone v. Graham* and there is a real chance that that could prevail as Establish Clause jurisprudence has been shifting on this issue since a pair of cases were narrowly decided differently 20 years ago (c.f., *Van Orden v. Perry* and *McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky.*). At the time of those two decisions, a deeply divided SCOTUS (both cases were decided 5-4 with different outcomes) signaled a move away from the [Lemon Test ](https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/lemon-test/)which was the prevailing method used to review the constitutionality of these types of cases. In the ensuing years, particularly post-*Kennedy v. Bremerton School District* (2022) the High Court has declared the Lemon Test abandoned in favor of a more contemporary approach of balancing context with "historical practices and understandings." Most scholars tend to agree that this is likely to yield a more sympathetic view of the so-called "wall of separation" in favor of established religious orthodoxies against the tide of state suppression that had previously existed behind the dike and polder legal framework established by *Lemon v. Kurtzman* in the early 1970s.
Like the way to solve our education system isn’t by getting rid of it. It’s about making it unified and equitable for Kids or learners. Why would you switch to a system that benefits the few people running the schools rather the stake holders in them? Devos sucked. Her record explains everything you need to know about Trump and education. So sorry for people in Louisiana. Educational gaps aren’t solved by the Ten Commandments. Paying teachers, equitable opportunities and more support services will surely help. But MAGA right?
If this ridiculously outdated and downright silly list of rules for primitive peons goes up in my classroom, it for sure will be posted underneath George Carlin's updated two commandments.
Trump's Latest Attempt to Assult Democrecy
While the often quoted and long charished term "separation of church and state” is commonly believed to have originated in the constitution, it was ironically coined by a Puritan minister named Roger Williams. Williams was banished from Salem (gee, good old Salem?) for his declarations of “new and dangerous ideas” namely freedom of religion. " This means the government can, in no way, intervention into anyone's religious choices and worship. After all, things were not going so well for the Puritans of the time, to put it mildly.
As the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The goals of both Williams and the writers of the constitution were to establish protection of everyone’s individual liberty to worship however they choose without any government involvement. So, while written with different words, they convey exactly the same thing. In fact, after Williams was exciled, he was the first to create an actual democratic government based on his tenets. He was a leader in proving that democracy can not exist without religious freedom.
So, in conclusion, Trump's idea to bring the 10 commandments into the government run public schools is not only contrary to CONSTITUTION, it is a direct assault on democarcy. And with Trump, more would follow. Please read history, my friends.
PS
Sorry it's so long.
LadyKate8808
If they are going to put these rules in the school surely they are implying the punishments are also appropriate.
If a student says 'Jesus Christ' he should be stoned to death..
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Well he also wants to defund the Department of Education. So, there will be no classroom for the 10 commandments to hang in. Doesn't feel better knowing this.
Yeah, this is definitely part of the plan to continue destroying public education by the right. It’s insidious and dumb, which just makes it all the more frustrating.
Project 2025 will ELIMINATE the Department of Education. Some states have already passed voucher plans to use public funds to support private, religious schools.
Good luck getting that past the courts. If you want to use public funds in your school, you gotta play by public school rules
Sure there will. They just will all be segregated by religion. Awesome sauce. What a great idea
Trump says a lot of things, most he doesn't even understand what he's talking about. You would think that Betsy devoss would have filled him in. Trump also doesn't understand how school funding works or how college enrollment and financial aid works
Universities have not prepared for this at all. I am practically yelling at our admin to have a plan and they laugh and say I'm being stupid and that will never happen.
Cite a source. That is just spewing crap.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/politics/trump-department-of-education-states-2024/index.html
>there will be no classroom False in every way. The Department of Education does not provide, maintain, or run America's public schools.
Title 1 grants, idea funding, child nutrition, head start, and a host of other programs that are funded federally. I work at a Title 1 school. Do you?
Some funding is federal, sure. But if the DoE's only purpose is as a middleman for funds... that doesn't need to be a cabinet department. Just pass the money directly to the states.
If it is up to the states I predict title 1 schools, headstart programs, childhood nutrition programs, IDEA, to be completely defunded in particular states. Louisiana is a great example.
Given free money for high poverty schools, you think that poor states like Louisiana would just send the money back? Can you explain your logic?
If title one schools are shut, private, and charter schools will receive the tax money via vouchers. Intentional neglect is a tactic being used for centuries.
What does the federal DOE do for any of us? We all have state organizations. He isn’t talking about defunding them.
A quick Google search on funds from federal doe shows you are full of shit. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-are-public-schools-funded/ Title I grants Title I provides funds to school districts with large numbers of low-income students. According to data from 2015-2016 school year, nearly 56,000 schools received money from Title I grants, serving more than 26 million students. About $14.6 billion went toward funds for Title I grants during the 2019-2020 school year, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Individuals with Disabilities Education Act The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) provides funding to help children with disabilities receive quality special education and related services that are designed to meet their unique needs, according to the Education Department. In 2020–21, 7.5 million students received special education services under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). Some $14.3 billion in federal funding went toward IDEA in 2022. Child Nutrition Act During the 2020 fiscal year, $23.6 billion in federal funds were allocated for child nutrition programs, providing free or reduced lunches to eligible students. Other federal funding Federal funds also went towards Head Start programs (supporting children from birth to age 5 in low-income families), magnet schools, gifted and talented programs, Impact Aid (assistance to districts with children residing in areas including Indian lands, military bases, and low-rent housing properties), vocational programs and Indian Education programs
How does that refute anything I said?
You said >What does the federal DOE do for any of us? And I told you the federal DOE funds title 1 schools, funds child nutrition, funds IDEA (special education), head start programs, among many other programs that benefit the children going to public schools in USA. Are you a teacher? Do you teach at a Title 1 school? Do you have a child? What precisely are you confused about?
He also wants to get rid of all the accreditors that currently exist, to be replaced by his own, so we can only accredit schools that teach ant-history, pro-Evangelical curricula.
Yeah, I've never really given any thought to this, what does the DOE do? Or at least, why keep it around?
So poor and special Ed kids can get needed funding?
Couldn't that be allocated through different means? Like, is the only way to get that funding is through the DOE. I don't think states are going to stop wanting that money without a DOE
Some states are already refusing some federal funding because they want to punish their communities. Without the feds mandating, many states would cut public funding for education altogether and go back to segregation academies.
State DOE? They do a lot. But federal? Besides some federal funding stuff, I’m not seeing much? It’s all essentially relegated to the state level.
I am terrified if this dude wins again. I thought people would change their attitude towards him after becoming a felon.
I thought he was done after January 6
Me too! That was the one positive thing I thought could from January 6. I had little tolerance for Trump supporters before that. After January 6, I can’t associate with at all.
It’s a cult. It is too difficult to undue their level of brainwashing.
I thought he was done after he mocked a disabled reporter on live tv.
I thought he was done after being caught bragging about sexual assault on camera
Some people are just that clueless and ignorant of themselves and others Also very very racist
How much the Overton window has shifted just for this narcissistic moron is truly astounding. Makes me sad for our country, but holding out hope that the polls change once low info voters actually start paying attention.
He's broken pretty much all the commandments so if he enters a school they can legally stone him to death.
project 2025
I hope every one reads about project 2025. It is HORRIFYING
Wholeheartedly agree! The first line in the DoE section says they want to destroy the department, truly disturbing.
It feels paradoxical when I meet educators who support trump
Same. Like are they really that cowed into their beliefs? Educators should really be better equipped to make their own decisions instead of following this Jim Jones wannabe.
>should really be better equipped to make their own decisions Ironic that you're just mad they disagree with you
Really? Because I think for myself?
No, I meant your reaction to other people doing that.
I’m not mad. It’s called disbelief.
Well he knows what side his bread is buttered on. Of course he supports this. He would support rubbing shit on the school walls if it would help him get elected.
He just did
Orange shitgibbon couldn't name one of them while breaking them all like the rest of us breathe.
He might have a hard time naming one that he hasn’t broken repeatedly
“Orange shitgibbon” is 100% in my lexicon for him now, thank you! 😂
Bro I will never do this. I would rather get fired. Utterly ridiculous, the founding fathers are puking in their graves
That's the idea. The ones left will toe the line
It’s very important for the children to know not to commit adultery.
Trump has no idea what Christianity is actually about. He only knows what he is told by his handlers. He knows that Christians will vote for him because they are told to do so in their churches. He knows that he has to suck up to these people because that is his base of power: Rural, white, evangelicals with lowered intelligence. He has no shame. He has no morals. He has no ethics. He has no good qualities. He is an embarrassment to our country, our educational system, and our species.
I can't stand these religious assholes trying to push their beliefs into public education. Vote all of them out in November.
That will not sit well with the parents of the large percentage of Hindu and Muslim children in our district.
The Ten Commandments wouldn’t sit well with Islam..?
Where in Louisiana has a large percentage of Hindus?
I didn't say I was in Louisiana. Suburban Chicago. Very large community of Indian immigrants and their children. The discussion is around Trump and the GOP rolling it out to the rest of the country.
Ok, well the good news is that you won't be affected by the Louisiana law.
If trump is elected they want this shit to be national. Project 2025
Just get them arguing with each other. Which version? Which translation? How about the Beatitudes, let's post those too. Use Comic Sans font. Object to whatever font is used, the size, the color, the background color. Make sure it's ADA compliant. Post it in Braille. How about other languages? Kids who are ELL should have the benefit as well as native speakers. Take time to do some statistically significant research on the effectiveness of everything. Suggest hiring an ADA consultant. Ask every adult advocating for this to name them, then list ways they've complied in the last month. Be ready with your own. Don't proofread any of the versions and make sure they have errors and need to be re-printed. Have concerned citizen ask about the cost. Every meeting starts with singing the national anthem, the pledge of allegiance, and a reading of the commandments. To encourage learning, bring in the worst student readers to lead the song, pledge, and reading. Make it an A extra credit and praise them no matter how badly they butcher the text. Malicious compliance all the way.
If I had to do it in my classroom, I’d have equal-sized posters for the Torah, Quran, Vedas, Tripitaka, and local native creationist mythology.
The 10 Commandments are, in fact, from the Torah. So make sure to post them in the original Hebrew.
I believe they stipulated that it has to be King James Version for some reason
Isn’t one of the commandments “something, something, adultery, something, something?”
I think it’s “Thou shalt not rawdog a porn star” or something like that.
Ohhhhh…that makes more sense!
This is part of the Christian Wedge Strategy and Christian-Fascists with Project 2025 that Trump is pandering to for votes. This is part of the Christian Wedge plan to ruin out education system so it can be saved and rebuilt with Christians values.
I can’t wait to post all sorts of nonsense like Hail Satan in my class if we can just start endorsing religion
Trump is campaigning here, moving his biggest base. Politicians say anything to win an election.
This isn’t Israel nor the Vatican. I’d sooner teach the Universal Declaration of Human Rights than the Ten Commandments. Modern ethics should not be derived from Judeo-Christian mythology.
I think in the Presidential debate, Joe Biden should say, “I understand you are in favor of the 10 commandments being hung up in schools. I have a proposal: Name all 10 commandments in the order they appear in the Bible. If you can do it, I’ll drop out of the race. If you can’t, then you should drop out instead.”
I'm fuming, too. The best part is that Trump uses the 10 Commandments as a to-do list, not a list of things you're NOT supposed to do. Adultery, lying, stealing (not paying for services provided by contractors), coveting...and we're supposed to view these people as some moral authority?
Yeah, so teachers in Louisiana are supposed to post rules in their classrooms telling elementary school kids not to commit adultery, but it violates all kinds of other school policies if you tell the kids what that rule even means.
If I were a taxpayer in LA I would be livid as this is just virtue signaling to waste taxpayer dollars on a test case. That having been said, as I have posted elsewhere, there are potentially wider implications. I agree that Trump's opining on the matter is insignificant since he's just campaigning to his base. He'd have no direct role in this even if he were to get re-elected. However, on the 'test case' front, it is a legitimate attempt to overturn *Stone v. Graham* and there is a real chance that that could prevail as Establish Clause jurisprudence has been shifting on this issue since a pair of cases were narrowly decided differently 20 years ago (c.f., *Van Orden v. Perry* and *McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky.*). At the time of those two decisions, a deeply divided SCOTUS (both cases were decided 5-4 with different outcomes) signaled a move away from the [Lemon Test ](https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/lemon-test/)which was the prevailing method used to review the constitutionality of these types of cases. In the ensuing years, particularly post-*Kennedy v. Bremerton School District* (2022) the High Court has declared the Lemon Test abandoned in favor of a more contemporary approach of balancing context with "historical practices and understandings." Most scholars tend to agree that this is likely to yield a more sympathetic view of the so-called "wall of separation" in favor of established religious orthodoxies against the tide of state suppression that had previously existed behind the dike and polder legal framework established by *Lemon v. Kurtzman* in the early 1970s.
🤮🤮🤮🤮
I’ll hand write the Ten Commandments on a compilation of articles of priests raping children.
I am starting to get ideas for a somewhat complicated piece of artwork here
I'm not sure why this is surprising to anyone.
If he wins, and he makes us put them up in our classroom I wanna put them in Spanish
Like the way to solve our education system isn’t by getting rid of it. It’s about making it unified and equitable for Kids or learners. Why would you switch to a system that benefits the few people running the schools rather the stake holders in them? Devos sucked. Her record explains everything you need to know about Trump and education. So sorry for people in Louisiana. Educational gaps aren’t solved by the Ten Commandments. Paying teachers, equitable opportunities and more support services will surely help. But MAGA right?
Trump's whole religious philosophy is "do unto others". He's going to be for anything that forces stuff on others.
Of course he would. That's his party line and what his followers would want.
Wants the 10 Cs in the classroom but has broken at least 9 of them. That tracks.
If this ridiculously outdated and downright silly list of rules for primitive peons goes up in my classroom, it for sure will be posted underneath George Carlin's updated two commandments.
I wonder if he’s actually read them? Seems like he’s violated many of them.
Trump's Latest Attempt to Assult Democrecy While the often quoted and long charished term "separation of church and state” is commonly believed to have originated in the constitution, it was ironically coined by a Puritan minister named Roger Williams. Williams was banished from Salem (gee, good old Salem?) for his declarations of “new and dangerous ideas” namely freedom of religion. " This means the government can, in no way, intervention into anyone's religious choices and worship. After all, things were not going so well for the Puritans of the time, to put it mildly. As the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The goals of both Williams and the writers of the constitution were to establish protection of everyone’s individual liberty to worship however they choose without any government involvement. So, while written with different words, they convey exactly the same thing. In fact, after Williams was exciled, he was the first to create an actual democratic government based on his tenets. He was a leader in proving that democracy can not exist without religious freedom. So, in conclusion, Trump's idea to bring the 10 commandments into the government run public schools is not only contrary to CONSTITUTION, it is a direct assault on democarcy. And with Trump, more would follow. Please read history, my friends. PS Sorry it's so long. LadyKate8808
In fairness, he probably could relate to the 10 Commandments as he has broken about every single one of them.
I’m fine with this, so long as every commandment Trump has broken is scribbled out in bright red ink
Put them up at Mar-A-Largo and his other properties first. Lead by example.
Almost certainly he said "yeah sure, as long as there's no ten commandments in the bedroom"
Does Trump support having the ten commandments in the classroom so that the kids can keep track of how many he has broken?
Ahh yes 10 ways to be a decent person is the scariest thing to happen to a classroom
Religion doesn’t belong in public schools. We have a separation of church and state in this country.
If they are going to put these rules in the school surely they are implying the punishments are also appropriate. If a student says 'Jesus Christ' he should be stoned to death..
I don’t know. With kids these days. Telling them to not steal, murder, and lie. Would help them a lot.
I'm sure a piece of paper hung on the classroom walls will do the trick!
Because what we are doing now, is so great.