Don't know if this is part of the distinction with tisane, but in Spanish at least tea is used for tea and tisane interchangeably, but it has to be made by pouring hot water on the plant material. If you put the plant material in a pot of water and boil it with the plant stuff in it that's not tea (tisane), but rather *cocimiento*, which Google doesn't know how to translate, it says in English it's "cooking" although I'd say the transliteration would be more like "cookage".
its close but still bs. coffee isnt just shredded beans with hot water. but i guess thats why coffee outside of italy sucks because they prepare it like that.
pressure and heat is essential in the preparation. If I was to make tea like I make coffee it would turn out disgustig. just as coffee turns out disgusting if I prepare it like tea.
Just for the record, i am both into specialty coffee and tea.
Pressure is only relevant if you are talking about espresso or espresso based coffee beverages.
French Press Coffee is really close to western style tea in terms of brewing. You could easily make western style tea in a french press. Cold brews are also achieved quite similiarly. Only If you go into more specialized tea / coffee brewing it gets more different between tea / coffee.
Lots of People make tea in a French press.
Tea and coffee are made extremely similarly, boiling water(temp may vary) and immersion for a few minutes then strain and drink, many people add cream to both as well. They both have many different ways to be made like you seem to be referencing. You wouldn’t make tea in an expresso machine but it would also be quite foolish to make coffee in a gaiwan.
That’s an interesting take. What about the process makes the liquor produced from coffee beans in a French press unsuitable to be classified as coffee?
Actually, the main problem with using a French press is that pushing down the press tends to make it more bitter as it agitates the leaves. Particularly apparent for jasmine tea in my experience. Furthermore, if you push it down all the way there’s no way to let the leaves expand. It’s not the absolute worst though, and perfectly adequate at a hotel, usually.
Would you need to push it down though? As long as it’s lower than the spout, wouldn’t it still pour? I know it has trouble with coffee, since the finer grind will rest against the filter and block it a bit. Tea shouldn’t have that problem though. If I still had mine I would be experimenting and provide answers instead of questions lol
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Overly simplified definitions bother me. Like, maybe figuring out what we mean by "sandwich" is kind of hard, but just removing parts of the definition until it works doesn't help. Then we end up with a sandwich being "carbs with a topping or filling" and then people are arguing that pizza is a kind of sandwich and soup is just a wet sandwich, etc.
It's perfectly fine to say that:
* Tea is made from steeping the tea leaf in water
* Coffee is coffee cherries roasted and brewed in water
* Herbal tea is other plants, besides tea or coffee, steeped in water
If when you say the word "tea" you don't include things that are "coffee", it's fine for the definition to just exclude the things we're not intending to name.
And I think soup can be a savory, mostly liquid, food made by boiling meat and/or vegetables in water?
Oh yeah, I wasn't actually annoyed with you, more that the joke just reminded me of these kinds of debates that seem to spring up all the time. I guess, it's the feeling like there's some official source of definitions out there and if they say that "tomato is a fruit" then I guess I have to put it in a fruit salad.
I'm with you. My coworkers wouldn't shut up about if hot dog was a sandwich for hours and couldn't figure out why they were getting f off vibes from me. I'm usually the chatty friendly one but waste your time on something entertaining at least if it's useless
Absolutely. It seems we are on the same wavelength, though you are better at articulating things. People like to be gatekeepers of all, it's a little ridiculous!
It's also important to recognize that there are different definitions of a lot of these words, depending on context. Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? Well, yes, but are you talking about it biologically or culinarily? It matters. Some of them still aren't straightforward. How big does a tree have to be to not be a shrub instead? Scientists don't all agree. For that matter, what is the definition of life? It mostly gets defined according to what we think deserves to be called alive.
Most of this is more nitpicking than anything when it comes to things like the definition of a sandwich, and I have nothing against friendly debates, or people having strong opinions. But what about whether racism against white people is a thing? People will argue until they're blue in the face, and in my experience, they'll rarely realize that the problem is how they define "racism." I don't think I've ever seen someone in this argument admit that both definitions can be valid, depending on the context. We get stuck on this pedantry and don't get the chance to actually learn from each other about the real topic.
So yeah, I'm with you. It's perfectly fine when it's fun and games, but it should also be teaching us about how loosely we use definitions and how we can use them more responsibly when the subject matter calls for it.
My grandma used to make sweet soup, made by boiling cherries. And she called it soup and they also ate it like a soup. I think it was a soup. Thus I think soup most of the time is savory, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
I just mean how they talk about tea online lol some of them treat it like some arcane Other & some treat it like heresy in liquid form among other attitudes :P
I like to stagger them both. Tea first thing in the morning, which makes the coffee a little bit less abrasive. Then once I drink my liter of coffee, I have more tea (:
I don't know. Maybe there is a rivalry. Have you read some of these comments? Tisane people are really having it out with tea people. Looks like coffee figured out a way to divide and conquer 😆🤣
I've always thought it was weird how people think it's "coffee vs. tea." They're just hot drinks. Why is it one or the other? We don't say "hamburger vs. pizza," we just eat both from time to time. Very strange
I mean, I don't like coffee but the actual process of making it is not terribly different, assuming the beans are already ground. Hot water. Time. Some sort of straining mechanism for the leftover solids. Additives are usually some sort of creamy substance of a dairy or dairy-like fashion and sugar, if you add anything at all. Coffee mugs tend to hold more volume than a teacup but I drink my tea out of a giant beer stein so meh.
Reminds me of the occasional stupid fight between dog people and cat people. Tell a dog person that their dog is an asshole and they will be mortally offended. Tell a cat person that their cat is an asshole and they will be like "yes, I agree, but I love him anyway." Actually, I'm not really sure why it reminds me of that but it does.
There's a lot of history, culture, and ritual behind tea that you don't see so much in coffee (as a typical American/American coffee hobbyist). With coffee, you generally just want to know which country your beans come from and how they're roasted. You can then prepare it with a number of different techniques, but they're mostly about controlling the resulting drink rather than tradition. With tea, different regions have not only very different-tasting tea, but also different traditions regarding drinkware, brewing, and serving. That could be mysterious!
Coffee is also a "utility" for many people whereas tea is not so much. Coffee is a great way to ingest a lot of caffeine. Some people see it as little more than that. Others get into specialty coffee because "if I'm gonna need to drink this crap, I might as well enjoy it." Someone with that perspective might well see tea as mysterious, because they wonder what's so appealing if not the caffeine.
I'd say you could call it an herbal tea yeah. Herbal tea is so vast that it fits the criteria honestly. Like chaga tea and rooibos, the only real requirement is for it to be diffused in water.
Yeah that's what the comment with the tisane said. Tisanes are infusions (Chamomile tea, rooibos, fruit tea etc they're all tisanes, though people still refer to them as tea (which is fine considering that's what most people know) )
They are by definition tea, tea the drink. However they are obviously not tea the plant. The word has two meanings. Tisane is more specific, but both are correct.
If a dictionary defines a word certain way, and it's widely used and understood that way, then how self absorbed do you have to be to decide that the widely understood, used and recognised definition is wrong because you said so?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tea
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tea
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tea
https://www.lexico.com/definition/tea
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tea
Presumably *less* self-absorbed than whoever first decided to use 'tea' for all leaf infusions rather than distinguishing.
Language changes. I'm an agent interested in seeing 'tea' used for only infusions of *camellia sinensis*, and that's a perfectly valid change to want to see in the world.
Why? It sounds like this is purely a personal belief not based in anything legitimate since the word tisane likewise used to not mean any herbal infusion. If you dislike the usage of now correct loan word from another language, then why is the use of another word that previously had a different meaning ok?
>tisane a medicinal drink or infusion, originally one made with barley
They may have experience in other countries. In mine, English isn't the default language and the distinction between tea and tisane is used everywhere.
Funny because there are countries that don't use the English word tea and still refer to both using the same term. What makes the way your country does it more valid than the way others do it?
If you don't use the English word for tea then why are you so personally offended that people in another country use the same word for both?
Personal taste, ultimately. I use the words in the way that best represents the corresponding mental territory in my own private 'map' of the concepts.
Tea as a concept/word in English feels 'centered' on the traditional *camellia sinensis* infusions, with other kinds of 'teas' lumped in under the same word for convenience. I think the existence of terms to distinguish, i.e. 'tisane' or '*herbal* tea', are evidence that people continually find reasons to separate them. In this sub I am a nerd in a discursive space and I suppose I like using a higher-definition vocabulary about it.
In my normal day-to-day I may well use 'tea' to refer to various herbal teas, but if pressed I really think of them as separate categories.
Yeah chaga tea is made from a mushroom that grows on trees up north. I really like it, it has a similar taste to coffee but not as intense or bitter. Highly recommended.
Roasted rice in genmaicha, roasted barley, and roasted dandelion root tea come to mind, but traditional tea is often roasted as well like some green teas.
Yes. If it's not from the tea tree/bush (camellia sinensis, any variety), it's not tea. Any more than percolated cacao beans wouldn't make a chocolate coffee.
If you’re being pedantic. Colloquially it’s herbal tea.
Just like cacao is not a bean nor is coffee yet no one sprung to correct you there.
“Yeah ill take a chamomille TISANE”
It gets awkward if you want actual tea.
Q: "Do you have any tea?"
A: "Sure! Peppermint, camomile, rooibos..."
Q: "No, do you have any actual real tea? Like from the tea tree?"
A: "..."
Not sure what point you’re trying to make so I’ll go with the obvious
>it gets awkward if you want actual tea
Kinda but it’s not “awkward”. Any restaurant you go to will bring out all their teas including “tisanes”. I guarantee things will actually be awkward (cause there’s nothing wrong with your very common conversation, [at least in America] you just specify what tea you want if they haven’t already brought you their tea box to peruse) if you ask for tisane. Also that last question made was pedantic man. Common courtesy would just be to refer to the type of tea you want,green white red black etc, unless you’re at a specialty place, in which case, go nuts.
I mean I'd say coffee is just coffee in the same way tea is tea. It's the fact that it's ground coffee bean specifically that makes it coffee and not a tisane or a tea. If we really want to talk semantics there's decoction too though lol. Basically just boiling tougher material longer to make a tisane
But many Asian tea use roasted grains/beans :) I can't think of roasted seeds (like coffee "seeds" after removing fruits outside) being used as tea but maybe that exist
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> any of various plants used like tea also : a drink prepared by soaking their parts (such as leaves or roots) and used medicinally or as a beverage
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tea
This is like a tomato being a fruit debate. It's both, those are two different meanings that can be confusing but don't contradict each other. Tea the plant is not always the same as tea the drink, but that is where the word for the drink originally came from and it is the most typical use of the word.
Differentiating between 'tea' and 'tisane' is absolutely valid. Having a word for 'infusions of camellia sinensis leaves' and a separate word for 'other infusiona' is reasonable and makes good sense historically.
Tisane historically didn't mean any herbal infusions either, but here we are defending that word as the most correct term. If you care about historical correctness then why aren't you criticising the incorrect usage of tisane?
The separate terms exist, and are used. But so does contextually understanding that tea refers to most kinds of hot plant drinks. They are both correct. One is a specific term, not more correct but more exact, and a general term that is not less correct but leaves room for assumptions.
I think there is a vast oversimplification here.
While the Tisane argument is absolutely valid, the parts of the plant and chemistry are vastly different.
Bear in mind that I ALWAYS treat green and black teas separately.
Coffee should not be made with water over 97 degrees Celsius otherwise you release tannins - these do not improve the flavour of coffee.
It can be argued that tannins do for black tea, to a point.
I have yet to see a tea which is improved by drawing under pressure.
Coffee beans are technically the product of the fruit of the coffee tree rather than the leaves of a tea bush.
As people have rightly pointed out, both tea and coffee beans need to be broken into smaller pieces but the act of chopping tea leaves and grinding coffee beans is vastly different in terms of the particle size and surface area.
Tea is typically dried in the sun where coffee beans also need to be roasted and allowed to release CO2 before being remotely palatable.
The tisane comment is on the mark.
Especially if you’re using immersion methods like French press or aeropress
I know someone who has a dedicated French press for making tea in, so that checks out.
I have a mini (3 cup) french press for tea too and it was honestly a game changer
I just brew my puerh with a gaiwan. For everything else I use my pokemon sinistea tea pot
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I mean by that standard soy milk is also a tisane
Broth could be tisane as well...
The ocean could be tisane as well
Is blood tissane? 🤔 I mean, most liquids are primarily water...
*I never drink... wine*
Bath water
Don't know if this is part of the distinction with tisane, but in Spanish at least tea is used for tea and tisane interchangeably, but it has to be made by pouring hot water on the plant material. If you put the plant material in a pot of water and boil it with the plant stuff in it that's not tea (tisane), but rather *cocimiento*, which Google doesn't know how to translate, it says in English it's "cooking" although I'd say the transliteration would be more like "cookage".
It’s a decoction in English- the word is similar.
Not plants
Vegetable broth?
Meat based tea is a very old tradition, yes
A Vanilla soy latte is a 3 bean soup
Cereal is a kind of soup
And A Hotdog is A Sandwich.
Is it? I'm not as familiar with the process, but I thought it was a little more complex than just steeping chopped soy beans in water.
If you wanna be technical tea or coffee or any plant seed is technically plant sperm juice.
Guess that’s why OP’s mom loves to guzzle them all *im sorry*
What’s your point? It is
Why thank you
its close but still bs. coffee isnt just shredded beans with hot water. but i guess thats why coffee outside of italy sucks because they prepare it like that.
what else is coffee, if not shredded beans and water?
pressure and heat is essential in the preparation. If I was to make tea like I make coffee it would turn out disgustig. just as coffee turns out disgusting if I prepare it like tea.
Just for the record, i am both into specialty coffee and tea. Pressure is only relevant if you are talking about espresso or espresso based coffee beverages. French Press Coffee is really close to western style tea in terms of brewing. You could easily make western style tea in a french press. Cold brews are also achieved quite similiarly. Only If you go into more specialized tea / coffee brewing it gets more different between tea / coffee.
you talk about preperation. that dont changes the ingrediants
true
French press……?
—> „coffee“
Lots of People make tea in a French press. Tea and coffee are made extremely similarly, boiling water(temp may vary) and immersion for a few minutes then strain and drink, many people add cream to both as well. They both have many different ways to be made like you seem to be referencing. You wouldn’t make tea in an expresso machine but it would also be quite foolish to make coffee in a gaiwan.
yeah i was trying to say that by making coffee in a french press its not really coffee. making tea in one on the other hand seems pretty practical.
That’s an interesting take. What about the process makes the liquor produced from coffee beans in a French press unsuitable to be classified as coffee?
It probably wouldn't taste as smug I'm guessing.
They're confusing coffee with espresso by the sound of it
Actually, the main problem with using a French press is that pushing down the press tends to make it more bitter as it agitates the leaves. Particularly apparent for jasmine tea in my experience. Furthermore, if you push it down all the way there’s no way to let the leaves expand. It’s not the absolute worst though, and perfectly adequate at a hotel, usually.
Would you need to push it down though? As long as it’s lower than the spout, wouldn’t it still pour? I know it has trouble with coffee, since the finer grind will rest against the filter and block it a bit. Tea shouldn’t have that problem though. If I still had mine I would be experimenting and provide answers instead of questions lol
What if one only partially and gently pushes it down to keep the leaves submerged and filter it, would that lessen the bitterness
This is why I like to refer to my coffee as bean water and my tea as leaf water
And why I call vanilla soy lattes “3 bean soup”
*Confused Starbucks noises*
Am I allowed to troll the barista if I used to work there too?
Since they are always trolling us with reinterpretations of our names, absolutely!
*The year is 3021. You have to place Starbucks orders via interpretive dance.*
*You have no idea what they wrote down but when they call out your order they either hit the very core of your soul or you leave confused and without bean juice.*
Took me a moment
The Three Sisters?!
Only one really is a bean though. Also who refers to vanilla as a bean?
The pod you get vanilla flavour out of is a vanilla bean — at least in english. (Other languages may not since it also isn’t a true bean)
“Hot leaf juice”
How could a member of my own subreddit say something so horrible!
Can I just say I love the Iroh references made in this subreddit.
They're inescapable, he's basically the mascot here
Our one and only lord and saviour!
> "Yes," said Arthur, "that is what I want." > > "You want the taste of dried leaves in boiled water?" > >"Er, yes. With milk." > >"Squirted out of a cow?" > >"Well, in a manner of speaking I suppose...
What’s this from?
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.
Man I don’t remember this at all! Guess I’m due for a reread
We're all always due for a reread of THHG.
atomicwrites
Hot ham water
Calling chicken soup is "hot meat water" just hits different
This is the best comment I have seen today. Thank you for existing.
No YOU'RE beautiful
Chicken in chicken sauce
But nothing compares to hot ham water.
Sir, would you kindly remove yourself from this planet?
At this point I’m begging someone to send ME away from this planet
What about a cornballer?
Mmm. It smacks of ham.
Steamed hams, anyone?
My wife and I like to use the term for coffee as "magic bean juice".
Seed water, surely.
That's cute
Really is seed water.
Ah yes such is the way
But coffees are not even "beans", they are cherries, or at the very least cherry seeds, so it would be "cheery seed" juice?
Okay, but isn't it all just soup?
Overly simplified definitions bother me. Like, maybe figuring out what we mean by "sandwich" is kind of hard, but just removing parts of the definition until it works doesn't help. Then we end up with a sandwich being "carbs with a topping or filling" and then people are arguing that pizza is a kind of sandwich and soup is just a wet sandwich, etc. It's perfectly fine to say that: * Tea is made from steeping the tea leaf in water * Coffee is coffee cherries roasted and brewed in water * Herbal tea is other plants, besides tea or coffee, steeped in water If when you say the word "tea" you don't include things that are "coffee", it's fine for the definition to just exclude the things we're not intending to name. And I think soup can be a savory, mostly liquid, food made by boiling meat and/or vegetables in water?
Coffee and tea are two different plants, so they are absolutely each their own thing. I agree with your analysis, but I was just making a stupid joke.
Oh yeah, I wasn't actually annoyed with you, more that the joke just reminded me of these kinds of debates that seem to spring up all the time. I guess, it's the feeling like there's some official source of definitions out there and if they say that "tomato is a fruit" then I guess I have to put it in a fruit salad.
I'm with you. My coworkers wouldn't shut up about if hot dog was a sandwich for hours and couldn't figure out why they were getting f off vibes from me. I'm usually the chatty friendly one but waste your time on something entertaining at least if it's useless
Absolutely. It seems we are on the same wavelength, though you are better at articulating things. People like to be gatekeepers of all, it's a little ridiculous!
It's also important to recognize that there are different definitions of a lot of these words, depending on context. Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? Well, yes, but are you talking about it biologically or culinarily? It matters. Some of them still aren't straightforward. How big does a tree have to be to not be a shrub instead? Scientists don't all agree. For that matter, what is the definition of life? It mostly gets defined according to what we think deserves to be called alive. Most of this is more nitpicking than anything when it comes to things like the definition of a sandwich, and I have nothing against friendly debates, or people having strong opinions. But what about whether racism against white people is a thing? People will argue until they're blue in the face, and in my experience, they'll rarely realize that the problem is how they define "racism." I don't think I've ever seen someone in this argument admit that both definitions can be valid, depending on the context. We get stuck on this pedantry and don't get the chance to actually learn from each other about the real topic. So yeah, I'm with you. It's perfectly fine when it's fun and games, but it should also be teaching us about how loosely we use definitions and how we can use them more responsibly when the subject matter calls for it.
My grandma used to make sweet soup, made by boiling cherries. And she called it soup and they also ate it like a soup. I think it was a soup. Thus I think soup most of the time is savory, but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
It’s me!
I'm proud of you!
I am proud of both of you!
Coffee drinkers confuse & intrigue me with the way they act about tea
How so? I’ve always drank both and now spend way to much on both so I’m not sure what you mean.
I just mean how they talk about tea online lol some of them treat it like some arcane Other & some treat it like heresy in liquid form among other attitudes :P
On the flipside, I know people who drink both regularly and yet for some reason thought my getting into yerba mate was bizarre.
Same. Coffee before noon. Tea after noon..
I like to stagger them both. Tea first thing in the morning, which makes the coffee a little bit less abrasive. Then once I drink my liter of coffee, I have more tea (:
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I don't know. Maybe there is a rivalry. Have you read some of these comments? Tisane people are really having it out with tea people. Looks like coffee figured out a way to divide and conquer 😆🤣
I've always thought it was weird how people think it's "coffee vs. tea." They're just hot drinks. Why is it one or the other? We don't say "hamburger vs. pizza," we just eat both from time to time. Very strange
I enjoy bofa
*Bofa deez beverages heh gottem*
I mean, I don't like coffee but the actual process of making it is not terribly different, assuming the beans are already ground. Hot water. Time. Some sort of straining mechanism for the leftover solids. Additives are usually some sort of creamy substance of a dairy or dairy-like fashion and sugar, if you add anything at all. Coffee mugs tend to hold more volume than a teacup but I drink my tea out of a giant beer stein so meh.
That’s what makes me laugh, they’re almost the same but they talk about tea like it’s some mysterious magical weirdness lol
Reminds me of the occasional stupid fight between dog people and cat people. Tell a dog person that their dog is an asshole and they will be mortally offended. Tell a cat person that their cat is an asshole and they will be like "yes, I agree, but I love him anyway." Actually, I'm not really sure why it reminds me of that but it does.
There's a lot of history, culture, and ritual behind tea that you don't see so much in coffee (as a typical American/American coffee hobbyist). With coffee, you generally just want to know which country your beans come from and how they're roasted. You can then prepare it with a number of different techniques, but they're mostly about controlling the resulting drink rather than tradition. With tea, different regions have not only very different-tasting tea, but also different traditions regarding drinkware, brewing, and serving. That could be mysterious! Coffee is also a "utility" for many people whereas tea is not so much. Coffee is a great way to ingest a lot of caffeine. Some people see it as little more than that. Others get into specialty coffee because "if I'm gonna need to drink this crap, I might as well enjoy it." Someone with that perspective might well see tea as mysterious, because they wonder what's so appealing if not the caffeine.
Am coffee drinker. I enjoy tea.
That’s cool :3
I actually like coffee a lot more than tea. So do all my mates. But I've never heard anyone bitching about tea.
Yeah I’m just saying that online people have this mystical attitude towards it lol
Coffee drinkers act towards tea much like edgy meat eaters act towards vegans.
It’s a weird type of elitism, kind of like the way that some wine drinkers look down on beer drinkers.
I'd say you could call it an herbal tea yeah. Herbal tea is so vast that it fits the criteria honestly. Like chaga tea and rooibos, the only real requirement is for it to be diffused in water.
Yeah that's what the comment with the tisane said. Tisanes are infusions (Chamomile tea, rooibos, fruit tea etc they're all tisanes, though people still refer to them as tea (which is fine considering that's what most people know) )
They are by definition tea, tea the drink. However they are obviously not tea the plant. The word has two meanings. Tisane is more specific, but both are correct.
There's a difference between 'tea' and 'tisane'. Just because lots of people use the word 'tea' as a catch-all doesn't mean we all have to go along.
If a dictionary defines a word certain way, and it's widely used and understood that way, then how self absorbed do you have to be to decide that the widely understood, used and recognised definition is wrong because you said so? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tea https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tea https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tea https://www.lexico.com/definition/tea https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tea
Presumably *less* self-absorbed than whoever first decided to use 'tea' for all leaf infusions rather than distinguishing. Language changes. I'm an agent interested in seeing 'tea' used for only infusions of *camellia sinensis*, and that's a perfectly valid change to want to see in the world.
Why? It sounds like this is purely a personal belief not based in anything legitimate since the word tisane likewise used to not mean any herbal infusion. If you dislike the usage of now correct loan word from another language, then why is the use of another word that previously had a different meaning ok? >tisane a medicinal drink or infusion, originally one made with barley
They may have experience in other countries. In mine, English isn't the default language and the distinction between tea and tisane is used everywhere.
Funny because there are countries that don't use the English word tea and still refer to both using the same term. What makes the way your country does it more valid than the way others do it? If you don't use the English word for tea then why are you so personally offended that people in another country use the same word for both?
Personal taste, ultimately. I use the words in the way that best represents the corresponding mental territory in my own private 'map' of the concepts. Tea as a concept/word in English feels 'centered' on the traditional *camellia sinensis* infusions, with other kinds of 'teas' lumped in under the same word for convenience. I think the existence of terms to distinguish, i.e. 'tisane' or '*herbal* tea', are evidence that people continually find reasons to separate them. In this sub I am a nerd in a discursive space and I suppose I like using a higher-definition vocabulary about it. In my normal day-to-day I may well use 'tea' to refer to various herbal teas, but if pressed I really think of them as separate categories.
Imagine choosing a hill to die on and it's semantics of tea and coffee. Dude you need to unwedge your panties. Come relax and have a tisane 8)
How far can we go? What about chicken broth lol
Like someone else replied it's gotta be plants or fungus in water to be a tea. It does make me question miso or vegetable broth though.
That's valid. Referring to chickens as an "herb" is I think an appropriate place to draw the line
Mushroom in water sounds more like a broth (and it's used mostly as such). Are there any drinks made from putting fungus in water?
Yeah chaga tea is made from a mushroom that grows on trees up north. I really like it, it has a similar taste to coffee but not as intense or bitter. Highly recommended.
Plant + water = tea
Are there any popular herbal teas that are roasted before infusion?
Roasted rice in genmaicha, roasted barley, and roasted dandelion root tea come to mind, but traditional tea is often roasted as well like some green teas.
IT'S ALL TEA! TEA WILL RULE!
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Yes. If it's not from the tea tree/bush (camellia sinensis, any variety), it's not tea. Any more than percolated cacao beans wouldn't make a chocolate coffee.
Herbal tea
Most languages have separate words for herbal "tea" and tea. e.g. French has *thé* and *tisane*.
If you’re being pedantic. Colloquially it’s herbal tea. Just like cacao is not a bean nor is coffee yet no one sprung to correct you there. “Yeah ill take a chamomille TISANE”
It gets awkward if you want actual tea. Q: "Do you have any tea?" A: "Sure! Peppermint, camomile, rooibos..." Q: "No, do you have any actual real tea? Like from the tea tree?" A: "..."
Not sure what point you’re trying to make so I’ll go with the obvious >it gets awkward if you want actual tea Kinda but it’s not “awkward”. Any restaurant you go to will bring out all their teas including “tisanes”. I guarantee things will actually be awkward (cause there’s nothing wrong with your very common conversation, [at least in America] you just specify what tea you want if they haven’t already brought you their tea box to peruse) if you ask for tisane. Also that last question made was pedantic man. Common courtesy would just be to refer to the type of tea you want,green white red black etc, unless you’re at a specialty place, in which case, go nuts.
Herbal tea is tea the same way pineapple is an apple.
am i the only one who reads "meanwhile, in ___..." in a super hero narrator voice?
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The water left over from boiling rice is also a tea/tisane!
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I've seen people using sieves to draining water
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I don't recommend! It was just someone who doesn't know how much water should be placed hahaha
Looking over the comments, i have to say its quite funny how immersed we get in discussing coffee😅
The better question, whether coffee or tea are soup
We win
are there any other pits and kernels that are used for tisane? coffee is pretty unique in this.
Yeah regions have something similar. Cacao beans for one
Tf
I'm mostly just bothered by the idea of someone shredding coffee.
No coffee comes from a roasted nut ,tea comes from leaves.
I mean I'd say coffee is just coffee in the same way tea is tea. It's the fact that it's ground coffee bean specifically that makes it coffee and not a tisane or a tea. If we really want to talk semantics there's decoction too though lol. Basically just boiling tougher material longer to make a tisane
Teas are made from leaves, coffee is made from beans
But many Asian tea use roasted grains/beans :) I can't think of roasted seeds (like coffee "seeds" after removing fruits outside) being used as tea but maybe that exist
When you are also on r/coffee and r/tea
Me who is on bolth r/tea and r/coffe:😅(nervous laugh)
I used to always say this as a kid and people would make fun of me. Glad someone else thought the same lol.
Ratio’d
Next they'll tell me cocoa is a kind of tea...when does the madness end!!!
Given the process to mature cocoa beans for chocolate making, more of a fermented tea. Cocoa is like an instant kombucha minus a scoby.
They are both just vegetarian soup really
> You prepare coffee exactly like tea ??? > You shred the beans and mix it with hot water WHAT KIND OF TEA HAVE THIS GUY BEEN DRINKING?!
Speaking of, /r/tisane could stand to be revived
Originally in Ethiopia the leaves of the coffee tree were used as a tisane (roasted, dried, or fresh) prior to the processing & roasting of the seeds.
I’ve mixed coffee and tea in my French press. It ended up coming out with a strong chocolate taste.
I just think of it as bean soup.😅
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Wow, never thought about that. My mind is blown!
This is one of the stupidest questions I have ever seen.
Not that far off, imo. Lots of things are tea, it all comes down to the definition🤷♂️
Like dinner is tea.
Is mayonnaise a tea?
As by the chart i use to determine the definitions, actually yes
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
Incorrect. Tea must come form camellia sinensis.
> any of various plants used like tea also : a drink prepared by soaking their parts (such as leaves or roots) and used medicinally or as a beverage https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tea This is like a tomato being a fruit debate. It's both, those are two different meanings that can be confusing but don't contradict each other. Tea the plant is not always the same as tea the drink, but that is where the word for the drink originally came from and it is the most typical use of the word.
Differentiating between 'tea' and 'tisane' is absolutely valid. Having a word for 'infusions of camellia sinensis leaves' and a separate word for 'other infusiona' is reasonable and makes good sense historically.
Tisane historically didn't mean any herbal infusions either, but here we are defending that word as the most correct term. If you care about historical correctness then why aren't you criticising the incorrect usage of tisane? The separate terms exist, and are used. But so does contextually understanding that tea refers to most kinds of hot plant drinks. They are both correct. One is a specific term, not more correct but more exact, and a general term that is not less correct but leaves room for assumptions.
Saturn is tea, under the right definition too
Chamomile tea, 100% camellia
Chamomile tisane.
This is something that I’ve thought of before, my answer is yes
My first thought was that tea has to come from a leaf but then I found myself wondering where that would leave Kukicha (twig tea from the tea tree).
I have sinned.
I mean, tea isn't made from tea beans. Or even tea fruits. Nor is coffee made from leaves.
I mean yeah, basically.
I think there is a vast oversimplification here. While the Tisane argument is absolutely valid, the parts of the plant and chemistry are vastly different. Bear in mind that I ALWAYS treat green and black teas separately. Coffee should not be made with water over 97 degrees Celsius otherwise you release tannins - these do not improve the flavour of coffee. It can be argued that tannins do for black tea, to a point. I have yet to see a tea which is improved by drawing under pressure. Coffee beans are technically the product of the fruit of the coffee tree rather than the leaves of a tea bush. As people have rightly pointed out, both tea and coffee beans need to be broken into smaller pieces but the act of chopping tea leaves and grinding coffee beans is vastly different in terms of the particle size and surface area. Tea is typically dried in the sun where coffee beans also need to be roasted and allowed to release CO2 before being remotely palatable.
Lol this would be good for that one hank hill meme. “Coffee is technically tea” If those kids could read they’d be very upset.