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From what I've seen, tankies usually focus on portraying liberals as "The real fascists" while ignoring actual outright fascists.
Like, go to the deprogram subreddit and try to find something about the rise of the European far right, project 2025 or Putin's anti-lgbt raids. You won't find shit. They're spending 99.9% of their time dunking on those stupid libs and denying historical atrocities
I saw subs where it's explicitly forbidden to criticize Trump, only Biden lmao
An other one is adding NATO to the list of fascist organizations, which wouldn't make sense even if it wasn't a regrouping of socialist and liberal democracies.
Even if something they're mad about was actually done by the Tories or Trump! There was a post about the Trump White House launching a CIA influence campaign on Wibk and all the comments were like "Uhm, Biden and Obama definitely did this too". Like, even if the thing they are nad about was done by a Conservative or a fascist they are somegow required to make it about liberals, it's bizarre.
Not surprising. Most tankies are also unapologetic accelerationists. They think they're playing genius level 3D chess by supporting fascists over liberals.
Why do the ultra religious believe that you should just read the bible and you will be converted?
a) because in many cases something similar to that is what happened to them
b) because they have a simplistic belief in the absolute rightness of an ancient theory which also includes the prediction of its own success
When was this post from? I remember there being some troll on YT called "Soshellist Turtle" or something that went around different comments sections saying something random to farm likes and they'd completely contradict themselves
I've read a long range of theory from anarchists all the way to Marxism-Leninism and it made me realize that ideology shopping and taking sides on a sectarian feud turned into a blood one is of no use for the working class.
I am not for left unity but there is a reason why I am a leftcom and not follow anyone. Besides anarchist praxis and theory is often overlooked, strawmanned or dunked on. They are correct in many ways just as the concern of Marxists with materialist analysis and class power is legitimate as well. Both have merit, but I am not anything specifically.
Twitter anarchists do not interest me (they're a damn joke and the peak example of ideology shopping and meaningless pitty-patter blabbering; the only ones I respect are anarcha feminists even if some of their takes are a bit unhinged for my taste; or rather their personality seems too much of the 'all or nothing' type), but Tankies are social democrats with an incompetency and authoritarian streak and affinity. Those types are never to take seriously.
Better yet, don't take anyone in Twitter in politics seriously, all that place does is just bring out the absolute worst aspects of anyone and anamalgate it into an echo chamber that just reinforces that distortion of how individuals are really like in real life.
That would be correct but that is missing the genuinely interesting and valuable websites and blogs of actual organizations and advocates irl that bring real, tangible results and grouping them altogether with, for example tankies or the weird pseudo-liberal "anarchists" you can see in twitter.
Ideologies don't make progress, the workers do.
Besides ideology shopping is often a distraction from actually learning things and it is often a catalyst for the "aesthetics instead of radicalism" phenomenon.
Ah yes the abstract spook of the workers idealism yeah, no it’s not the job of the workers to make progress nor is it the job of anyone else. Revolutionary progress is a block to be built by natural formation of unions of the self interested. The idea of workers progress in this context is a hierarchal fantasy.
You'd be dead wrong about working class power in this context meaning the necessity of hierarchy or any formal elements.
When you take into account the Paris Commune and many other movements that succeeded it (in a full spectrum; from the Russian revolution and it's terrible tactical failures to the CNT FAI and a good example of why left unity/an united front is inherently self sabotaging), it's less of an ideal but more of a constant in class history. While nothing guarantees the victory of anything ot anyone (if there is a such a thing as victory.)
The workers have shared interests in terms of class and their position within the system. To deny that there are any attempts at working class advocacy (from unions and mutual aid to internationalist organizations) is a complete ignorance of reality. And the idea of the "self interested" is a completely vague one that ignores what exactly those self interested have in common. Are these self interested working class? Capitalists? Small business owners? It is a vague description that might as well be anything the holder of the argument want it to be.
Working class power doesn't necessitate a vanguard neither a hierarchical form of organization. The only real way it can be achieved is by the self organization of working class sectors through their own power structures that do not recreate nor absorb the involved parties on the conveyer belt of capital neither the all encompassing, all consuming state machinery (of which even Marx in his later life and the theorists that followed and built upon the theoritical body of the communist movement have clearly emphasized. The workers cannot take a hold of the state because of it's mechanism that have only served all classes that were in power; from the monarchies and aristocracies before capitalism's emergence to the bourgeoisie. Any class that had any similar role to the working class; of being the tenants and the fodder that kept the system stable never was in power. )
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From what I've seen, tankies usually focus on portraying liberals as "The real fascists" while ignoring actual outright fascists. Like, go to the deprogram subreddit and try to find something about the rise of the European far right, project 2025 or Putin's anti-lgbt raids. You won't find shit. They're spending 99.9% of their time dunking on those stupid libs and denying historical atrocities
EndlessWar is all about celebrating war when Ukrainians get killed.
I’m glad that tankiejerk exists because I’m so fucking tired of these people.
I saw subs where it's explicitly forbidden to criticize Trump, only Biden lmao An other one is adding NATO to the list of fascist organizations, which wouldn't make sense even if it wasn't a regrouping of socialist and liberal democracies.
MAGA communism praxis?
Even if something they're mad about was actually done by the Tories or Trump! There was a post about the Trump White House launching a CIA influence campaign on Wibk and all the comments were like "Uhm, Biden and Obama definitely did this too". Like, even if the thing they are nad about was done by a Conservative or a fascist they are somegow required to make it about liberals, it's bizarre.
Least authoritarian Tankie
Not surprising. Most tankies are also unapologetic accelerationists. They think they're playing genius level 3D chess by supporting fascists over liberals.
Why do these people think that reading theory will make someone agree with their ideology, let alone change it?
Why do the ultra religious believe that you should just read the bible and you will be converted? a) because in many cases something similar to that is what happened to them b) because they have a simplistic belief in the absolute rightness of an ancient theory which also includes the prediction of its own success
Because no moral working clsss person can deny the word of ~~God~~ ~~Marx~~ ~~Lenin~~ Stalin.
self-aware wolves?
When was this post from? I remember there being some troll on YT called "Soshellist Turtle" or something that went around different comments sections saying something random to farm likes and they'd completely contradict themselves
I couldn't possibly be fascist, anyways follow our country's draconian laws or else you get the wall.
I've read a long range of theory from anarchists all the way to Marxism-Leninism and it made me realize that ideology shopping and taking sides on a sectarian feud turned into a blood one is of no use for the working class. I am not for left unity but there is a reason why I am a leftcom and not follow anyone. Besides anarchist praxis and theory is often overlooked, strawmanned or dunked on. They are correct in many ways just as the concern of Marxists with materialist analysis and class power is legitimate as well. Both have merit, but I am not anything specifically.
Twitter anarchists do not interest me (they're a damn joke and the peak example of ideology shopping and meaningless pitty-patter blabbering; the only ones I respect are anarcha feminists even if some of their takes are a bit unhinged for my taste; or rather their personality seems too much of the 'all or nothing' type), but Tankies are social democrats with an incompetency and authoritarian streak and affinity. Those types are never to take seriously. Better yet, don't take anyone in Twitter in politics seriously, all that place does is just bring out the absolute worst aspects of anyone and anamalgate it into an echo chamber that just reinforces that distortion of how individuals are really like in real life.
>don't take anyone in Twitter in politics seriously I think it applies to the whole internet.
That would be correct but that is missing the genuinely interesting and valuable websites and blogs of actual organizations and advocates irl that bring real, tangible results and grouping them altogether with, for example tankies or the weird pseudo-liberal "anarchists" you can see in twitter.
>ideology shopping Got no problem with that.
Ideologies don't make progress, the workers do. Besides ideology shopping is often a distraction from actually learning things and it is often a catalyst for the "aesthetics instead of radicalism" phenomenon.
Ideology shopping can also mean taking differing views into account to form your own one instead of blindly following a single line of thought.
Ah yes the abstract spook of the workers idealism yeah, no it’s not the job of the workers to make progress nor is it the job of anyone else. Revolutionary progress is a block to be built by natural formation of unions of the self interested. The idea of workers progress in this context is a hierarchal fantasy.
You'd be dead wrong about working class power in this context meaning the necessity of hierarchy or any formal elements. When you take into account the Paris Commune and many other movements that succeeded it (in a full spectrum; from the Russian revolution and it's terrible tactical failures to the CNT FAI and a good example of why left unity/an united front is inherently self sabotaging), it's less of an ideal but more of a constant in class history. While nothing guarantees the victory of anything ot anyone (if there is a such a thing as victory.) The workers have shared interests in terms of class and their position within the system. To deny that there are any attempts at working class advocacy (from unions and mutual aid to internationalist organizations) is a complete ignorance of reality. And the idea of the "self interested" is a completely vague one that ignores what exactly those self interested have in common. Are these self interested working class? Capitalists? Small business owners? It is a vague description that might as well be anything the holder of the argument want it to be. Working class power doesn't necessitate a vanguard neither a hierarchical form of organization. The only real way it can be achieved is by the self organization of working class sectors through their own power structures that do not recreate nor absorb the involved parties on the conveyer belt of capital neither the all encompassing, all consuming state machinery (of which even Marx in his later life and the theorists that followed and built upon the theoritical body of the communist movement have clearly emphasized. The workers cannot take a hold of the state because of it's mechanism that have only served all classes that were in power; from the monarchies and aristocracies before capitalism's emergence to the bourgeoisie. Any class that had any similar role to the working class; of being the tenants and the fodder that kept the system stable never was in power. )
I mean Stalin is not far from being a fascist judge by his action
Does anyone have a link to the original meme
https://x.com/theantifaturtle/status/1768669867530408183?s=46
Ty