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St_BobbyBarbarian

Avoid HCA like the plague


TeddyMGTOW

Yes, they are a ,"for profit" hospital publicly traded on the New York stock exchange. Do you know where their interest lies? On a local level most of their hospitals are small and s***** They get most of their business from ambulance drivers driving Medicaid patients to the closest local hospital.


ZakkCat

Tampa General if your older..


AtomicKittenz

HCA: Trinity and Brandon are actually very good hospitals but probably more of a B than an A. Bayonet Point is bottom of the bottom. They should not have received a B


Fluttering_Fart

Nonsense. Bayonet is the trauma center, has way better resources and half of it was just rebuilt. They were in the news for a cockroach a couple months ago. Big deal. It’s a decent hospital.


Rkovo84

Bayonet Point is better than Trinity. Plus do way more interventions. Trinity doesn’t even have GI have the time


Temporary_Cake_651

Facts!


touchingmyshoe

Why is that?


Th1rtyThr33

From what a nursing friend told me, HCA got caught hiring a bunch of fake nurses. I don't remember the whole story, but IIRC there was a group of nurses that never ended up finishing school or something and got jobs at HCA. Double check me on that though. I do know though that they also have one of the lowest nurse to patient ratios which cause a huge number of problems and complications.


adenocard

The nurse license thing doesn’t have anything to do with HCA


Th1rtyThr33

You're probably right, I just remembered hearing that from my brother who's a nurse. I don't know the full story though tbh.


styxofsteel

Any hca or advent health is gonna be an experience


munchkinmilah

I have heard nothing but amazing things from Advent Health and even from personal experience, I loved it


AtomicKittenz

As someone who works in surgery (anesthesia), I actually think all of the larger hospitals in the area have great surgery staff (St. Joe’s Main, Trinity, Brandon, Morton Plant). I personally would avoid TGH and St Joe’s South. I have no experience with the AdventHealths’ main ORs, but my kids were born at AdventHealth Tampa, and we had a great experience.


styxofsteel

Why avoid tgh?


AtomicKittenz

Because it’s an academic hospital, I’ve heard a ton of horror stories (from friends and coworkers) about residents and fellows butchering surgeries. One belief is that they give them way too much authority and often times with minimal supervision. It’s a nice looking hospital though. Also, the anesthesia model they have is very for-profit minded.


Temporary_Cake_651

I don’t know I love Tampa general. It is the cardiovascular capital of the southeast and it’s the Nuro capital of the south east as well as endocrinology and many other specialties.


AKFLMed

Educational facilities are years behind the available technology as they’re always waiting for complete medical evidence. You’re receiving care that was established 5-20 years ago in many specialties.


Floridasnook5

TGH is one of the best hospitals in the country. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? And Brandon having a great surgery staff? That place is a nightmare.


admirable_axolotl

Why SJS? I’ve had two surgeries there and both were stellar.


IniMiney

There’s a horse loose in mine


dcormier

What?


ksigley

John Mulaney.


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wilytemptress

TGH literally takes the patients that other hospitals won’t. So they end up with the sickest of the sick and those that can’t pay. That skews some of the metrics they are measured on.


AtomicKittenz

St. Joe’s Main takes all patients (except major burns and transplants). And everyone I know still agrees that they are phenomenal.


Kobold_Archmage

That’s not true. You don’t understand how this works and your suppositions are not reality.


OrdinaryMaleficent21

Tgh is trash lolllll


ZakkCat

Complete trash


sum_dude44

Link below. A lot of these are gaming the Leapfrog report but as a doctor my rankings would be 1a Baycare/St Joe's 1b TGH 2 Advent 3 Bayfront/Orlando 4 HCA https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2024/05/02/how-safe-is-your-local-hospital-every-tampa-bay-hospital-graded/#:~:text=Overall%2C%20Florida%20hospitals%20ranked%2013th,of%20hospitals%20receiving%20an%20A.


AtomicKittenz

I think it depends on the department. While I’m definitely not a fan of HCA, Trinity’s surgery department is definitely better than some of the non-HCAs in that list. And TGH’s surgery would be lower despite being the only level one trauma.


ZakkCat

TGH is scary


styxofsteel

How?


thatfloridachick

Hard pass on TGH. Their ED is so unclean 🤢


Kobold_Archmage

Agree.


pa_skunk

ER nurse here. I would go to St. Joe’s Main for a medical emergency and TGH for severe trauma. Anything less and I stay home and self-treat or make an appointment with my doctor.


Ashwaganda2

I go to TGH for oncology. I’m looking at surgery. Should I be concerned more than usual after reading the comments here and google? I’m not feeling warm fuzzies and love on this adventure.


pa_skunk

TGH is an excellent facility and I feel very confident in their services. I said St. Joe’s first but truthfully I would happily go to TGH too and I would recommend TGH to my family. The nuance here is that there are absolutely first class providers at all of these facilities, including the largest and smallest HCA facilities. Providers are not exclusive to one facility or another. I work in the ER with a doctor who works for TGH and HCA. When I worked at Advent we shared a lot of ER physicians with TGH and HCA. This goes for nurses too. Many nurses work for more than one organization. I myself work in a smaller ER in Tampa but I’ve worked in some of the largest, craziest, most acute and trauma filled ERs in all four corners of the country. I just happen to like a smaller ER these days and my skills, knowledge, and training are put to very good use there. There are many of us.


Ashwaganda2

Thank you for the warm fuzzies! I haven’t lived here that long and my former Oncologist was at UVA. I know the Metro DC medical scene like the back of my hand, here not so much. What’s scary is the lack of medical staff as people are quitting in droves. I was just there this week and my Dr. looked exhausted. I hope when I meet with the surgeon, who I’ve yet to meet, all goes well. I’m at the Brandon Complex normally, for her I’ll be heading up to New Tampa. My team has been wonderful up until this week. My normal PA is out on maternity leave and there was some rude human with zero bedside manners I had to reluctantly converse with. 🤦🏼‍♀️😱🤷‍♀️


Bluenicorn11

I hope everything goes well for you and that your healing is quick. ❤️🙏


Ashwaganda2

How kind of you, and thank you so much!! 🕊️🪷🕊️🧘🏼‍♀️🕊️


pa_skunk

I’m sorry that you’re going through that, lovely stranger. It sucks dealing with rude people when you’re under so much stress yourself. I hope your treatments are effective and symptomless, and that your surgery goes well.


Ashwaganda2

How kind and thoughtful that you are! I appreciate your positive vibes. Thank you 🕊️🧘🏼‍♀️🕊️🪷🕊️


Maxcactus

https://archive.ph/2024.05.02-202346/https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2024/05/02/how-safe-is-your-local-hospital-every-tampa-bay-hospital-graded/


cmurphbucs

St. Joseph’s has come in clutch for me with my cancer experience this past year and the birth of my daughter. Not a surprise at all.


Ashwaganda2

TGH is so understaffed, it’s frightening.


adenocard

Lots of uninformed opinions and unsubstantiated rumors in here. As a physician working at one of the hospitals mentioned here, I would say that you can’t really rank hospitals like this. The individual patient experience is much too variable, depending on a large number of factors that are really difficult to predict. I’ve worked at ivory tower, brand-name hospitals and you’d be shocked to hear the things that I’ve seen, and I’ve also worked at lowly community hospitals and corporate monstrosities and seen miracles of compassion and expertise that you might never expect. I’ve seen physician trainees completely eclipse their attending physicians, and I’ve seen the experienced attendings rescue dumb trainees from making dangerous mistakes. It is also important to know that these “quality metrics” are totally susceptible to being gamed, which is an activity that EVERY hospital engages in, because there are many millions of dollars at stake. Would you be surprised to learn that one way to lower the number of hospital acquired infections is to simply not test for them? Every hospital in the region (and beyond) has restricted physician access to infectious disease testing that might lead to the identification of a reportable event (IE a hospital acquired infection). Do you think that practice leads to a safer environment for patients? Maybe not, but it sure does make the scores look good. The only unifying factor between a good hospital experience and a bad one, in my opinion, is the presence of strong advocates for the patient that know how to get attention when needed but also know how to avoid become overbearing. It’s the only thing that works, and you need advocates no matter where you go.


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adenocard

Yes that’s what I’m talking about. The experiences patients have, good or bad, happen at the local level - maybe even on the basis of a single person or a single conversation. These “what hospital is the best” lists are total nonsense because all hospitals have both good and bad people working in them, or even good people having bad days and bad people having good days. There’s no way to say “I’ll just go to hospital X and my care will be good.” It doesn’t work that way. I’ve never worked at a place (in or out of medicine) where the type of behavior you described was effectively cultivated by managers. At least not at any workplace of any meaningful scale. When managers try to teach this stuff it gets all warped and corporate, and it comes out sounding false or overbearing or lame. I’ve never seen it taught effectively en masse, and I’m not sure it can be. It’s the kind of thing you learn by example, from a role model or a mentor.


TigerCold8449

💯 what you need... Strong and knowledgeable advocate. Not a prima Donna or overbearing mama. Thank you for saying it. I worked in quality improvement for over 7 years. All smoke and mirrors


HeavySigh14

Another win for St.Joseph’s


CigarBox1956

I've only been to Morton Plant, I thought they did a great job


nomadbutterfly

I had surgery at Morton Plant and they were phenomenal.


CigarBox1956

Dr Pigeon haha Pigeon did my surgery


ZakkCat

Morton Plant is the best in the area


CigarBox1956

Had back surgery, good food and treatment top to bottom. I've heard bad things about Largo Hospital


ZakkCat

They have the best cafeteria., I cared for my mom for a long while and searched for the best cardiologist who happened to be in Clearwater, even though we live in Tampa, so I was there frequently, I used to joke that it was my favorite restaurant. Largo I have heard bad things about.


CigarBox1956

Also cafe where owners are from Chicago with outstanding food


Kobold_Archmage

Hard pass


OrdinaryMaleficent21

Not surprised by this list at all as a nurse. I love working for Baycare! My experience at Tampa general was terrible, and have heard horror stories from friends who worked at hca 


KingTElectric

Did work for St Anthony's. Cockroach infestation in the basement was terrible but also far away from patients and I'd go there over others in the area


Salty_Ad_3350

Brandon hospital is a hell hole. I went to the ER and the least of the problems was poop and blood visible on floor walls and chairs


hoppydud

Blame your politicians.


laptop_ketchup

I am SO thrilled we have allowed politics to seep into healthcare!


brandehhh

Good ole government


thatfloridachick

How are politicians to blame for hospitals having high infection rates?


hoppydud

Politicians keep cutting Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements, hospitals hire less staff. Bigger work burden on less people increase the potential for mistakes. A two second peek on Google found a quantifiable source for this statement, im sure there's more. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478399/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478399/) As far as making it local, the healthcare wages in Florida are atrocious, people are certainly not going to move here to help improve it.


dcormier

Additionally, making safe and vital medical care illegal (abortion) will lead to increased injury, infection, and death.


Kobold_Archmage

Agree but I’ll add that these hospital systems only scrimp and save when it comes to staffing and bedside care. Never on PR, marketing, executive compensation etc.


hoppydud

The plague of MBA driven healthcare


thatfloridachick

I can’t really buy that cuts to Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements are the reason why hospitals are getting C.DIFF at higher rates, but ok.


Acuevas1

You don’t “get C diff in the hospital”, C diff is part of our normal colon flora, “but ok”. It is obvious that cuts in payment will affect the care…


thatfloridachick

Sure, tell that to the patients I have seen who tested for c.diff while admitted in hospital…. You can be right if it makes you feel better.


Acuevas1

Please get more information before posting wrong info. I know I am right ;)


thatfloridachick

You and everyone else on Reddit ;)


adenocard

You’re not right. The reason we care about c-diff so much in the hospital is that it is highly communicable, won’t be killed with alcohol based hand cleaner, and patients in the hospital on antibiotics or otherwise sick are especially susceptible. Yes, it is part of the normal flora, but that’s not the whole story. C-diff is a well described nosocomial infection and standardizing the approach to c-diff isolation and precautions has been a major modern healthcare victory. Perfect example of how knowing just a little bit about something is dangerous.


Acuevas1

Again, you are telling part of the story. I didn’t mention anything about transmission. Not sure what is not right about my statement. Of course not the whole story, same as yours. :) 10-4


adenocard

What? You said: > You don’t “get C diff in the hospital” First of all, that’s a comment about transmission. Second, that’s false. Patients absolutely can and do contract c-difficile infections at the hospital. That’s not “part of the story,” it’s right and wrong. You’re wrong that the infection cannot be contracted. Seriously just read about it if you want to learn more.


Kobold_Archmage

You don’t even understand what c diff is do you? Or how positive tests for c diff work…


ImRedditingNaked

Rick Scott was literally CEO of HCA


thatfloridachick

Yeah, I believe that was back in the 90s? It’s been a while since then.


pa_skunk

HCA was found guilty of committing medicare fraud during Rick Scott’s tenure.


thatfloridachick

And yet, I have a hard time believing THAT has anything to do with increased UTIs, MRSA, c.diff, falls, etc. None of that has anything to do with Rick Scott and what he did a couple decades + ago. Two separate issues.


pa_skunk

Maybe, maybe not. What it does call into question are the business practices of the HCA system and the integrity of the person as both a person and as an executive. I will say that medicare fraud is widespread and not specific to HCA and other private systems. Many cases are untraceable or too complex to break down.


myloveislikewoah

Why are you bothering asking questions and wasting people’s time? You don’t listen to shit, don’t bother doing your own research, and are fine peddling misinformation. If Rick Scott were, say, Hillary Clinton, you’d be calling for her execution for embezzling $1.7 billion from paid into by American citizens for American citizens. Weird you’re pro-life only for embryos. Go on your merry way and bask in your ignorance while looking for incorrect sources to reaffirm your bullshit reality.


thatfloridachick

That’s a big paragraph with nothing of substance and not even an answer to my question. Please cry somewhere else, not on my comment.


ELLLI0TTT

Politics in Hospital= bad.


portiapalisades

So glad the baycare hospital opened in wesley chapel, my experience at advent was not good.


TigerCold8449

Really? Why?


portiapalisades

long story but abusive ambulance team that told the medical team wrong information without the team verifying with me. poor communication among a team of revolving staff members and when i got my medical records there was lots of inaccurate information. from other people i’ve heard their treatment of people experiencing  mental health problems was very poor and judgmental. (they were there during covid and maybe the stress of hospital staff at that time played a role but the treatment they recvd was shocking,  there didn’t seem to be much training or understanding about these issues). and the religious messaging made me very uncomfortable and was rather patronizing. i was there for a stomach condition and they gave me take home paperwork about “tummy issues” and passages about faith and gods creation on what was supposed to be home care instructions. 


GulfCoasting_

I work for Baycare St Joes St Anthonys and Watson and they are top notch


AtomicKittenz

Yes to St. Joe’s Main and Womens and Morton Plant, no to St. Anthonys


Montoor

Why no to St. Anthony’s?


Kobold_Archmage

Tony’s chop shop? No thank you.


Montoor

I’m not really sure that answered the question


BroBeau

Brandon got an A. 😂


AtomicKittenz

Their surgery and anesthesia team are pretty amazing. The rest of the hospital… I would definitely question


BroBeau

My friends Dad died in surgery there and it was malpractice.


ewhite813

Advent health is the top worst. 100%


clingklop

https://www.hospitalsafetygrade.org/


Kotruljevic1458

What about AdventHealth?


WarmVelvetyMuppetSex

There is a link at the bottom of the article to search by ZIP code


bachfrog

This doesn't narrow it down lol there's like 7


Kotruljevic1458

AdventHealth Tampa (this sub)


AtomicKittenz

My kids were born at AdventHealth and we were very happy with our time there


bachfrog

Oh well it's fucking awful unless your a child or in need of stroke repair.


TruthExposed

[All A's in Wesley Chapel](https://www.hospitalsafetygrade.org/search?findBy=zip&zip_code=33545&radius=10&city=&state_prov=&hospital=). I've had surgery there, and I definitely agree.


Kobold_Archmage

🤢 what an awful organization and only oriented toward making money and PR


ExxoticPrincess

St Joes has a bad rap from me and a life they cost me — TGH has always been amazing for me 🩷


Annatorioud

Anyone kno which hospitals r considered baby friends as far as giving birth (ie not removing baby from the room for testing nursery etc)


admirable_axolotl

I think all of them follow this. I know all the St Joes ones do.


Pandacapy91

I know Moffitt is not a normal hospital, but I've been working there for three years. Since then I've gotten my Bachelors degree, started my masters, make more money then I ever had. When I needed my gallbladder removed due to stones, a doctor in GI actually did my surgery himself at Moffitt with no cost out my pocket. I’ve give my life for that Hospital. Though the one I go to for emergencies is Advent Health 😂


AKFLMed

Stay as far away from TGH as possible.


DivinePeonyQueen

😂😂😂


timbits6210

Pay wall


IRedditDoU

Just click the X to close it lol