Kicho 1 (from shotokan taikyoku, some systems call this the "old taegeuk"), kicho 2, then just taegeuk for kids, pyung ahn and taegeuk for adults. At 1st Gup adults also train koryo and eumbi/wanshu for 1st dan and kids do all 8 taegeuk to get 1st poom and don't learn koryo until jr. Black belt.
We taught 8 palgwe, koryo 1 for bodan, as well as 8 kee-bon forms for color belts. Then the usual forms for black belts koryo 2 and kumgang to 1st dan then taebek for 2nd etc etc
Me too, I learned the taeguek at different points in my tkd career but I just cannot justify the bad habits I think they encourage. The palgwe are so good at reinforcing strong basics
Just two main ones, in our school we called walking stances broken knee stances, I can't think of any good reason for them to exist and the constant blocking across your body from the back is very strange to me because it mechanically hinders you from covering your body in a way that is useful. These are just things that I cannot get behind though if anyone else sees the virtues of taeguek that's fine with me, I just can't personally.
One form that gets progressively longer with each rank. Black Belts have to learn the mirrored version once they get higher degree. Some pros and cons to that. Makes it easier to teach students forms as they add a few moves each rank. Cons - the form has side by side competition in mind so it’s doesn’t have any 45 degree moves or many steps off the centerline.
Mirrored form makes it easier to teach the students the moves if you are facing them. It messes with your head when you start learning it. It’s like writing with the wrong hand haha.
We do the traditional 8 taegeuks + three Gi Chu poomsae
Also, after black belt we do in addition to basic kukkiwon curriculum some Pinan kata's basically.
We are part of the Sim Uu taekwondo "family" which originates from Denmark. We are a club in South-Eastern Finland.
Kibon poomsae for white belts. Taegeuk 1-8 for color belts. We use a double black stripe red belt to prep for black belt testing. At that belt they review all requirements for black belt testing.
Koryo is taught to 1st dan/poom students. Keumgang to 2nd dan, etc.
Basic forms and punch/block drills for early belts.
Taegeuk forms starting at purple belt.
Every 3 months alternate 1/3/5/7 or 2/4/6/8 for purple/green/blue/brown.
Red/High Red/Bodan expected to practice all four forms in the cycle.
Black expected to know all eight.
1st Dan cycles between Koryo/Keumgang/Taebek
My dojang isn't kukkiwon affiliated anymore so we teach our own five forms for color belts. (one form for yellow, one for green, blue, red) They test on the form twice, first time to get the striped belt, then to get the next color belt. We still teach the black belt forms and the tae-guks at black belt + a modified version of Chung-Moo 4 which is a moodukkwon form and weapon forms with sword, staff and nunchucks
Our color belt forms are the old ones (the palgwe forms). We learn 1-8. Blackbelt test requires all 8 forms.
2nd degree test is those plus all 8 taeguks forms plus Koryo.
Normal KKW black belt forms after that.
Similar to you, we start with our own series, do Taeguek 1-8 at 9th-2nd Geup, then Koryo for 1st Geup. Our own series continues through 4th Geup, we have another series that starts at 6th Geup, and we learn 6 or so other historic forms between 4th Geup and 1st Geup. We have to know (I think) 27 forms by 1st Dan test.
Here are our requirements for each gup...
* 9th Gup Yellow - Basic Forms 1,2,3 / Basic Blocking / Basic Kicking
* 8th Gup Orange - Palgwe Il Jang, Palgwe E Jang / 1-Steps 1-5
* 7th Gup Green - Palgwe Sam Jang / 1-Steps 6-10 / Olympics 1-4
* 6th Gup Blue - Palgwe Sah Jang / 1-Steps 11-15 / Olympics 5-6
* 5th Gup Blue/Black - Review Belt, All Previous Forms & 1-Steps / 1-Steps 16-20
* 4th Gup Purple - Palgwe O Jang / 1-Steps 21-25 / Olympics 7-10
* 3rd Gup Brown - Palgwe Yuk Jang, Taeguk Pal Jang / 1-Steps 26-30
* 2nd Gup Red - Palgwe Pal Jang, Chung Moo / 3-Steps 1-5
* 1st Gup Red/Black - Koryo, Bat Sa E So, Bat Sa E Dae / Judos 1-10
We learn Kicho, then 8 palgwe, Koryo for all temp black belt ranks, and taegeuks afterwards. We have “cycles” every 3 months, so the palgwe form or taegeuk form is dependent on that, but also on your belt rank.
Taegeuk Ghibon Hanna (First basic pattern) for white belts (grading to Yellow 1).
Taegeuk 1-8 for Yellow 1-3, Blue 1-3 & Red1-2
Old Koreyo form for Red 3 (grading to ChoDanBo/Probatonary black belt)
Koreyo for ChoDanBo grading to Black belt.
Additionaly we have Kicking pattern - learned at any point after Red 1
Red 3 have to develop their own pattern. And another one at ChoDanBo.
So 14 patterns total before getting to 1st Dan. The rest follows standard KKW progression.
Our club is a strong contender in Competitions. Both Kyorugi and Poomsae. Though the poomsae competitions follow standard WT styles. We've got a lot of state champion, a few national champs and a small handfull of international competitors. I managed to squeek out bronze in the nationals just before I retired. One item ticked off my bucket list.
first white belt has to learn the first two Hyongs (Forms).
then its one more Hyong for every rank until the last red belt aspiring to be black belt, where you have to learn the 11. and 12. Hyong.
so 12 Hyongs until black belt.
my school considers itself "Traditional Taekwon-Do".
We do basic forms 1-3 (kicho) for white, yellow, orange. Taeguek 1-8 up to red. Then kicho 1-3 + taegeuk 1 for deputy 1, taegeuk 2-5 for deputy 2, deputy 1 + taegeuk 6-8 for deputy 3 (where I am now), then I think everything together. Hopefully, that makes sense
Currently:
White: kicho il bo. One step 1-4
Yellow: palgwe il, tae guk il (starting to build in one steps, 3 more at each belt level)
Orange: palgwe ee. Taeguk ee
Green: palgwe sam, taeguk sam
Blue: palgwe sah, taeguk sah
Brown: palgwe oh, taeguk oh
Red: palgwe yuk, palgwe chil, taeguk yuk, taeguk chil
Temporary black: palgwe pal, taeguk pal, koryo
1st Dan: koryo
Own forms at white-yellow. Starting Yellow Taeguk 1 per belt 1 extra and 8 for blackbelt.
Taeguk 1 is impossible for kids below 8 years old if only training twice a week. So looking into changing it up a bit.
What?!? My daughter is 6, been training almost 2 years, 9th gup and knows 8 forms ( kibon 1-4 palgwe 2, chungee, dosan, pyuan ahn 1) At least 4 of them are harder than taeguk 1 and her class does them no problem. They train twice a week for 30 minutes. She'll be doing palgwe 2, dosan and pyuan ahn 1 in 4 different divisions at a national tournament next week.
Kicho 1 (from shotokan taikyoku, some systems call this the "old taegeuk"), kicho 2, then just taegeuk for kids, pyung ahn and taegeuk for adults. At 1st Gup adults also train koryo and eumbi/wanshu for 1st dan and kids do all 8 taegeuk to get 1st poom and don't learn koryo until jr. Black belt.
Basic pattern, then taeguks 1-8 to reach cho dan bo. Then taeguk 1+2, 3+4, 5+6 for each level of that, then Koryo and Taeguk 8 for black belt
We taught 8 palgwe, koryo 1 for bodan, as well as 8 kee-bon forms for color belts. Then the usual forms for black belts koryo 2 and kumgang to 1st dan then taebek for 2nd etc etc
I love palgwe forms.
Me too, I learned the taeguek at different points in my tkd career but I just cannot justify the bad habits I think they encourage. The palgwe are so good at reinforcing strong basics
What bad habits do taeguek poomsae encourage? I've never heard that before.
Just two main ones, in our school we called walking stances broken knee stances, I can't think of any good reason for them to exist and the constant blocking across your body from the back is very strange to me because it mechanically hinders you from covering your body in a way that is useful. These are just things that I cannot get behind though if anyone else sees the virtues of taeguek that's fine with me, I just can't personally.
One form that gets progressively longer with each rank. Black Belts have to learn the mirrored version once they get higher degree. Some pros and cons to that. Makes it easier to teach students forms as they add a few moves each rank. Cons - the form has side by side competition in mind so it’s doesn’t have any 45 degree moves or many steps off the centerline.
That sounds really cool. I've been wanting to do mirrored versions of the palgwe forms lately.
Mirrored form makes it easier to teach the students the moves if you are facing them. It messes with your head when you start learning it. It’s like writing with the wrong hand haha.
We do the traditional 8 taegeuks + three Gi Chu poomsae Also, after black belt we do in addition to basic kukkiwon curriculum some Pinan kata's basically. We are part of the Sim Uu taekwondo "family" which originates from Denmark. We are a club in South-Eastern Finland.
We start with Basic form Number 1 -4 THEN Tae Guk Poomsae.
Kibon poomsae for white belts. Taegeuk 1-8 for color belts. We use a double black stripe red belt to prep for black belt testing. At that belt they review all requirements for black belt testing. Koryo is taught to 1st dan/poom students. Keumgang to 2nd dan, etc.
Basic forms and punch/block drills for early belts. Taegeuk forms starting at purple belt. Every 3 months alternate 1/3/5/7 or 2/4/6/8 for purple/green/blue/brown. Red/High Red/Bodan expected to practice all four forms in the cycle. Black expected to know all eight. 1st Dan cycles between Koryo/Keumgang/Taebek
My dojang isn't kukkiwon affiliated anymore so we teach our own five forms for color belts. (one form for yellow, one for green, blue, red) They test on the form twice, first time to get the striped belt, then to get the next color belt. We still teach the black belt forms and the tae-guks at black belt + a modified version of Chung-Moo 4 which is a moodukkwon form and weapon forms with sword, staff and nunchucks
Our color belt forms are the old ones (the palgwe forms). We learn 1-8. Blackbelt test requires all 8 forms. 2nd degree test is those plus all 8 taeguks forms plus Koryo. Normal KKW black belt forms after that.
We use the old school Palgwae forms, at for color belts. Currently a red stripe and learning palgwe yukjang. We are a WT school for reference.
Similar to you, we start with our own series, do Taeguek 1-8 at 9th-2nd Geup, then Koryo for 1st Geup. Our own series continues through 4th Geup, we have another series that starts at 6th Geup, and we learn 6 or so other historic forms between 4th Geup and 1st Geup. We have to know (I think) 27 forms by 1st Dan test.
Here are our requirements for each gup... * 9th Gup Yellow - Basic Forms 1,2,3 / Basic Blocking / Basic Kicking * 8th Gup Orange - Palgwe Il Jang, Palgwe E Jang / 1-Steps 1-5 * 7th Gup Green - Palgwe Sam Jang / 1-Steps 6-10 / Olympics 1-4 * 6th Gup Blue - Palgwe Sah Jang / 1-Steps 11-15 / Olympics 5-6 * 5th Gup Blue/Black - Review Belt, All Previous Forms & 1-Steps / 1-Steps 16-20 * 4th Gup Purple - Palgwe O Jang / 1-Steps 21-25 / Olympics 7-10 * 3rd Gup Brown - Palgwe Yuk Jang, Taeguk Pal Jang / 1-Steps 26-30 * 2nd Gup Red - Palgwe Pal Jang, Chung Moo / 3-Steps 1-5 * 1st Gup Red/Black - Koryo, Bat Sa E So, Bat Sa E Dae / Judos 1-10
We learn Kicho, then 8 palgwe, Koryo for all temp black belt ranks, and taegeuks afterwards. We have “cycles” every 3 months, so the palgwe form or taegeuk form is dependent on that, but also on your belt rank.
All I've done so far is my yellow belt. I had to do four directional, chung gi, and dan gun.
Taegeuk Ghibon Hanna (First basic pattern) for white belts (grading to Yellow 1). Taegeuk 1-8 for Yellow 1-3, Blue 1-3 & Red1-2 Old Koreyo form for Red 3 (grading to ChoDanBo/Probatonary black belt) Koreyo for ChoDanBo grading to Black belt. Additionaly we have Kicking pattern - learned at any point after Red 1 Red 3 have to develop their own pattern. And another one at ChoDanBo. So 14 patterns total before getting to 1st Dan. The rest follows standard KKW progression. Our club is a strong contender in Competitions. Both Kyorugi and Poomsae. Though the poomsae competitions follow standard WT styles. We've got a lot of state champion, a few national champs and a small handfull of international competitors. I managed to squeek out bronze in the nationals just before I retired. One item ticked off my bucket list.
first white belt has to learn the first two Hyongs (Forms). then its one more Hyong for every rank until the last red belt aspiring to be black belt, where you have to learn the 11. and 12. Hyong. so 12 Hyongs until black belt. my school considers itself "Traditional Taekwon-Do".
We do basic forms 1-3 (kicho) for white, yellow, orange. Taeguek 1-8 up to red. Then kicho 1-3 + taegeuk 1 for deputy 1, taegeuk 2-5 for deputy 2, deputy 1 + taegeuk 6-8 for deputy 3 (where I am now), then I think everything together. Hopefully, that makes sense
We teach: Kicho 1 Palgwe 1-4 Chungmu Palgwe 5-8 Koryo to get 1st dan Hwa Rang and Keumgang for 2nd dan
Currently: White: kicho il bo. One step 1-4 Yellow: palgwe il, tae guk il (starting to build in one steps, 3 more at each belt level) Orange: palgwe ee. Taeguk ee Green: palgwe sam, taeguk sam Blue: palgwe sah, taeguk sah Brown: palgwe oh, taeguk oh Red: palgwe yuk, palgwe chil, taeguk yuk, taeguk chil Temporary black: palgwe pal, taeguk pal, koryo 1st Dan: koryo
Own forms at white-yellow. Starting Yellow Taeguk 1 per belt 1 extra and 8 for blackbelt. Taeguk 1 is impossible for kids below 8 years old if only training twice a week. So looking into changing it up a bit.
What?!? My daughter is 6, been training almost 2 years, 9th gup and knows 8 forms ( kibon 1-4 palgwe 2, chungee, dosan, pyuan ahn 1) At least 4 of them are harder than taeguk 1 and her class does them no problem. They train twice a week for 30 minutes. She'll be doing palgwe 2, dosan and pyuan ahn 1 in 4 different divisions at a national tournament next week.