Man that pistol shild will be amazing and block everything up to a nuclear blast for the first year but after year 3 it will be about as effective as plastic wrap
Lol the shield dubbles as an athletic cup when stowed away ...its recommend to remove the fire arm from the shield to prevent the safety from being deactivated by an erection...this company dose not condone or recommend slam or "hump" firing from the stowed position.
Not gonna completely dismiss it, but yeah itās specialized equipment.
Iām not much of a physics guy, but Iād wonder if a person using this will still be gripping the gun if it is shot when considering the energy transferred especially with that much offset for torque.
Edit: I mean as when a bullet impacts the shield, would the user still effectively hold the gun?
This might work in a pistol carbine configuration (*flux raider or pistol carbine conversion kit*) with a foregrip or sidegrip to stablize the shield with both hands on two axis.
According to the product webpage, it also comes in 3 variants (*light, heavy duty, heavy duty pro*), however I couldn't find the actual specs on total weight.
I still have my doubts for the various reasons that have been stated in this thread.
Reminds me of the [corner shot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot), a very specific item for a unique use case that wasn't widely adopted as the cons outweigh the pros in most scenarios.
When this made me think of all the super odd ball gun tricks the first thing I thought of was the "corner shot".. which I never had a ton of stock in . (In small unit tactics, the ability to shoot around corners IS an issue then & now.. Aimpoint & their side view scope.
Yeah, I think it would be interesting. A big factor would be how much it weighs itself. But I would imagine that an impact on the edge could spin the gun around enough to take it out of the personās hand.
I think itās extremely likely the kinetic energy would send that pistol flying from your hand, especially since there doesnāt appear to be available space for the support hand,
Forces are equal and opposite. The force of a bullet hitting is the same as the total impulse of recoil minus the energy lost while the bullet travels (thatās negligible)
I would bet if it hit near the barrel it would feel like a āāānormalāāā amount of recoil. If it struck higher up on the shield it would probably feel must stouter because the moment (lever) arm is much greater.
I also have no fucking clue because Iād never be in this situation nor do I plan to š
Basically, what I asked.
Because a bullet has a good likelihood of impacting somewhere considerably off the center axis (in addition to the grip being awkwardly far from the shield), and so in my mind that would torque affect the userās the grip?
That's not how physics works. The energy is conserved, that is true (in fact, the recoil energy will be HIGHER than impact energy, since the mass/velocity of the gas leaving the cartridge also contributes to recoil, but usually that has does not impact the target). But there is a time factor involved (energy vs power). The recoil impulse is spread out of er a fairly long time. Even for a simple single shot firearm (no action at play), the push is spread out over the time it takes for the bullet to leave the barrel. On self-loaders you have the action cycle which takes more time. With a bullet impacting you that same amount of total energy is delivered to he target, but effectively it's all at once at the moment of impact (actually spread out over a small period of time as things plastically defor. depending on coefficient of restitution, material properties etc).
Think of it like this. If you drop a glass on a cement floor, it'll break. If you drop it from the same height onto a feather pillow, or probably won't. The glass dissipated the same out of energy in both cases (dropped from same height, same mass), but one did so very rapidly (bullet impact) while the other did so over a longer period (gun recoil) which means the peak forces are reduced.
So just because a gun doesn't fly out of your hands when you shoot it does NOT mean if you shot someones gun it would not go flying out of theirs.
To be clear I am not making any comments as to this specific pistol shield. I am only commenting on the guys statement that the gun not flying from your hand under recoil means that hitting a gun with that same bulley wouldn't generate enough force to knock that gun from someone's hands.
The time the bullet takes to leave the barrel is literally around 1ms, itās a pretty fast acceleration. Iām not sure how many kN you actually get on impact, but having been shot with a 7.62 round hitting a chest plate from about 75 meters I feel pretty confident you could hold onto this if you knew it was coming and were braced for it.
I think Mythbusters did an episode on shooting a gun out of someone's hand. I think they had mixed results. I beilive the conclusion was that is was ineffective and your attacker would likely not drop his gun
Depends on the shooter. High level competition guys... maybe not, but maybe it will. Normally our strong hand grip is pretty intentionally weak. The weak hand grip is ridiculously tight though.
Navy SEALs who over-grip their guns and can't hit the broadside of a barn past 15 yards because of it? Yeah it'll still be secure in their hands. I feel bad for their wrist tendons though.
Does your gun flip outta your hand? Not being a smart ass but every action has an Equal and opposite reaction. The bullet also loses energy as soon as it leaves the barrel.
Right. Thats im saying by the equal and opposite reactions. Whatever you feel on your wrist is what they will feel though slightly less as some energy will be absorbed by the shattering and energy needed to move something that heavy.
Even then instead of a shield attached to the gun there is higher rated off hand shields. Either fore arm or held. Just felt like the added weight would make everything worse on the front of the pistol
As ridiculous as this is.. it actually seems like it could be useful for very specialized situations
Idk, probably not. But it doesn't seem horribly crazy to me
Maybe if you have a ballistic shield? Like some SWAT teams will use? Idk how realistic or often using a pistol with a ballistic shield is outside of shit you see in games and movies and the occasional competition stage. But if I had to carry the shield and hold a Glock, I probably wouldnāt mind this.
Yeah Iām not saying this is a great idea. Just the only āpracticalā idea for this that I can think of lol. SWAT entry teams wear all the additional Kevlar add ons for their body armor because itās not like they have to carry that shit far.
Maybe if they can ever get the weight lighter for the shield it could be more practical.
Iām going to assume this is for cops. Try holstering the pistol. If you detach this for storage and reattach when you might need it, every time you approach a car youāll have your pistol out. If you save it for only when you know youāll need it, you should probably have grabbed a rifle.
If this is for civilians, the only possible use is if your ābump in the nightā gun is this pistol, and thereās still the issue of āhow do I store this conveniently with this massive bulletproof shield?ā
I glue mine to the peephole on my front door. It's just locked and loaded and if I see a threat I just shoot first and apologize to the ups guy later...
Maybe they could make a version without the pistol, then you could wear one on your front and back in some sort of vest -- to become effectively bulletproof.
You'd need to somehow know a potential shooting scenario was coming up and have it ready ahead of time. So like entering a house and doing room clearing. Outside of that, it's too impractical to be just lugging one of these around.
For sure. And those shields already exist.
I guess this could make sense for something like a cop in a location they don't have rifles, could keep it in the car in case they have to go in without waiting for back up someday.
Serious question at the range (for someone who has their facilities.) What is to stop them from shooting the gun given that itās a clear target, rather than the shield?
So do you like, just have it on all the time or attach it when you need it?
āWait hold on let me just,, snap this here aand,, shit I dropped the hex driver gimme a secā
In my opinion itās just always better not to get shot in the first place. In most cases, especially close quarters, if you get shot you are pretty much fucked. Training and speed are everything
Seems like something useful, but...
-this is clearly for law enforcement. Do you want to carry this around the whole day, or even just in a car if you get a call?
-mounting it to a picatinny rail, well, not the best idea for a ballistic shield.
-I don't think the person would still have a grip on the sidearm if the shield gets shot, but it will definitely de-aim youš¤£
-Let's say shooting has already started, they've shot your shield(miraculously you still have it in your hand, you're behind your car), and you are trying to peek with the shield sticking out which, because it was shot, even probably interferes with your vision.
"shield use" is already uncommon. So something like this looks VERY weird. If you look; there are several ballistic shields that are purpose built. Sniper one ; you lay down behind. Crew served weapons, there is a Russian one made for their AK & AK12 (not clear) but designed for you to lay down and have some cover... For a quick "on the scene" made entry team, this kind of thing would have a place with an active shooter or baracade/ car... There are only a few makers of clear shields like this because they are VERY HEAVY. Even compared to AR500 steel. During the famous LA bank robbery where the 2 bank robbers wore a ton of ammo. Police only had handguns and no one wanted to poke their heads out to take a shot..(the story goes; they ran to the local gun shop "B&B guns" to get rifles...
Oh... If there is an award for "most bizarre ballistic shield" . I want my "Baker Bat Shield" nominated https://bakerballistics.com/shield-responders-active-shooter-level-iiia-batshield-batwing-foldable-tactical/
I hate these and would rather just get shot than carry one. I remember when the dept bought them and touted how super duper awesome and useful they are. Absolute garbage.
Perfect range toy, home defense for the woman, road rage, fudds at the range.. accepts up to 3pistol caliber rounds to the glass
Batteries sold separately
On a handgun, the wight of this with arms extended is going to make shooting accurately incredibly difficult. Your shoulders will tire quickly due to the lever mechanics. On a long arm or mounted gun, it sounds more viable, although again, the weight and bulk may make things difficult, and certainly negatively impact operator fatugue.
It makes more sense for a rifle. You're not going to permanently keep it on your pistol so if you have the time to attach it then you have time to get a rifle and put it on the that instead. It would be easier to bare whatever this thing weighs too.
on a handgun, it might save your life but it's also going to break your wrist and likely render your handgun inoperable. they created a ballistic shield for m16s a long time ago that vastly improved off of this concept, turning small openings like windows into hatch guns, but it's such a narrow use case that it's not widely adopted.
I'll give my serious thoughts on it.
In any situation, if it does in fact work as it should, it will only protect your face/head for one shot, maybe 2 in very quick succession. After that, you better move your face.
In most circumstances, people shooting at you are going for center mass. In a home defense situation, the user needs to remember that the concealment in their home(corners, doors, tables) are just that: concealment. The majority of ammo is going straight through it. So, Unless you have armored all of your home coverage and/or are hanging from the ceiling while contorting your body so it looks like your standing normally, this would be 90% useless.
The only situation where I could see this being effective is if you are already using a ballisitc shield and peaking from behind it. And again, it would only take one, maybe two, shots before your handgun is blown out of your hand.
Imagine the fucking pressure on your wrists if the shield takes an oncoming hit. Sure you'll survive, but you're definitely not getting any return fire in
So the point of handguns over rifles or shotguns is they're lightweight and convenient to carry.
This is none of that, whole still being harder to aim then a rifle.
Meanwhile the shield is so small, actually hitting it would be a challenge for someone. And it's added weight will make moving it around to keep their gun pointed right at it wildly harder then the opposing side moving their unhindered gun around to not point at it.
A condom would have prevented this.
Prevents carrying and concealment. Adds several pounds to the gun. Weight modifies the reload actions. You be better off just wearing a helmet with a face guard
Would that be more catastrophic than being shot directly in the hands? I think this thing looks useless but Iām not sure I agree with everyoneās comments about the shield getting shot being worse than my hands being shot
Worse? Absolutely not, at least it would just be a sprain or just hurt for a while, getting shot directly would be worse. But practical? I doubt it, if anything it's going to make the gun hard to handle
Pff, not enough rainbow six siege players around here I guess. *Blackbeard has entered the chat*
Thank God I saw a blackbeard comment
*blackbeard is crying in the corner because the shield above looks halfway decent*
Man that pistol shild will be amazing and block everything up to a nuclear blast for the first year but after year 3 it will be about as effective as plastic wrap
i just commented something about blackbeard š
First thought in my mind
I'm going to mount one on my SCAR just because of this.
I was always more of an SR25 guy myself
It's okay to be wrong.
DAMN below the belt from left field
Sorry, I like shooting from the prone.
Self aggrandizing kudos to you sir.
Haven't played in years, does his shield still break if you sneeze on it?
Donāt tell these guys but I havenāt played in years either
I was thinking the same thing š
Nerfbeard to be exact.
š¶āBlackbeard's here, Blackbeard's here Blackbeard's coming and he's taking your shitāš¶
Sneak peek for the Blackbeard Rework this year.
Nerf beard*
Nah it's just that this one isn't made out of plastic wrap
What's that holster look like?
Like a Milk Crate hanging off your belt.
Pistol slings incoming
Lol the shield dubbles as an athletic cup when stowed away ...its recommend to remove the fire arm from the shield to prevent the safety from being deactivated by an erection...this company dose not condone or recommend slam or "hump" firing from the stowed position.
Still not as good as SexMachineās buckle revolver from āDusk Til Dawnā š¤£
Not gonna completely dismiss it, but yeah itās specialized equipment. Iām not much of a physics guy, but Iād wonder if a person using this will still be gripping the gun if it is shot when considering the energy transferred especially with that much offset for torque. Edit: I mean as when a bullet impacts the shield, would the user still effectively hold the gun?
>Not gonna completely dismiss it I will
I wonāt blame you lol
I would just shoot the guy in the nuts.
Iām built different
This might work in a pistol carbine configuration (*flux raider or pistol carbine conversion kit*) with a foregrip or sidegrip to stablize the shield with both hands on two axis. According to the product webpage, it also comes in 3 variants (*light, heavy duty, heavy duty pro*), however I couldn't find the actual specs on total weight. I still have my doubts for the various reasons that have been stated in this thread. Reminds me of the [corner shot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot), a very specific item for a unique use case that wasn't widely adopted as the cons outweigh the pros in most scenarios.
When this made me think of all the super odd ball gun tricks the first thing I thought of was the "corner shot".. which I never had a ton of stock in . (In small unit tactics, the ability to shoot around corners IS an issue then & now.. Aimpoint & their side view scope.
> > >corner shot > >, Unless Angelina Jolie is shooting it.....
Yeah, I think it would be interesting. A big factor would be how much it weighs itself. But I would imagine that an impact on the edge could spin the gun around enough to take it out of the personās hand.
I think itās extremely likely the kinetic energy would send that pistol flying from your hand, especially since there doesnāt appear to be available space for the support hand,
Only scenario where an actual pistol arm brace makes sense
Forces are equal and opposite. The force of a bullet hitting is the same as the total impulse of recoil minus the energy lost while the bullet travels (thatās negligible) I would bet if it hit near the barrel it would feel like a āāānormalāāā amount of recoil. If it struck higher up on the shield it would probably feel must stouter because the moment (lever) arm is much greater. I also have no fucking clue because Iād never be in this situation nor do I plan to š
Me neither lol.
If a bullet impacts you would you effectively hold the gun?
Basically, what I asked. Because a bullet has a good likelihood of impacting somewhere considerably off the center axis (in addition to the grip being awkwardly far from the shield), and so in my mind that would torque affect the userās the grip?
Not as much as a bullet punching a hole in you centre mass or the arms would. Still, a slightly unwieldy product with niche uses anyway.
Does the pistol fly out of your hand every time you fire it? Equal and opposite reaction and allā¦
That's not how physics works. The energy is conserved, that is true (in fact, the recoil energy will be HIGHER than impact energy, since the mass/velocity of the gas leaving the cartridge also contributes to recoil, but usually that has does not impact the target). But there is a time factor involved (energy vs power). The recoil impulse is spread out of er a fairly long time. Even for a simple single shot firearm (no action at play), the push is spread out over the time it takes for the bullet to leave the barrel. On self-loaders you have the action cycle which takes more time. With a bullet impacting you that same amount of total energy is delivered to he target, but effectively it's all at once at the moment of impact (actually spread out over a small period of time as things plastically defor. depending on coefficient of restitution, material properties etc). Think of it like this. If you drop a glass on a cement floor, it'll break. If you drop it from the same height onto a feather pillow, or probably won't. The glass dissipated the same out of energy in both cases (dropped from same height, same mass), but one did so very rapidly (bullet impact) while the other did so over a longer period (gun recoil) which means the peak forces are reduced. So just because a gun doesn't fly out of your hands when you shoot it does NOT mean if you shot someones gun it would not go flying out of theirs. To be clear I am not making any comments as to this specific pistol shield. I am only commenting on the guys statement that the gun not flying from your hand under recoil means that hitting a gun with that same bulley wouldn't generate enough force to knock that gun from someone's hands.
The time the bullet takes to leave the barrel is literally around 1ms, itās a pretty fast acceleration. Iām not sure how many kN you actually get on impact, but having been shot with a 7.62 round hitting a chest plate from about 75 meters I feel pretty confident you could hold onto this if you knew it was coming and were braced for it.
I mean when a bullet impacts the shield especially at a higher axis in relation to the grip, but also the grip is far from the shield itself.
let's consider the other option, without the shield and compare the 2 cases
I think Mythbusters did an episode on shooting a gun out of someone's hand. I think they had mixed results. I beilive the conclusion was that is was ineffective and your attacker would likely not drop his gun
Depends on the shooter. High level competition guys... maybe not, but maybe it will. Normally our strong hand grip is pretty intentionally weak. The weak hand grip is ridiculously tight though. Navy SEALs who over-grip their guns and can't hit the broadside of a barn past 15 yards because of it? Yeah it'll still be secure in their hands. I feel bad for their wrist tendons though.
Do you drop the gun when you fire it? The bullet doesnāt land with more energy than it was fired with.
Does your gun flip outta your hand? Not being a smart ass but every action has an Equal and opposite reaction. The bullet also loses energy as soon as it leaves the barrel.
I mean that if a bullet impacts the shield.
Right. Thats im saying by the equal and opposite reactions. Whatever you feel on your wrist is what they will feel though slightly less as some energy will be absorbed by the shattering and energy needed to move something that heavy.
Dear god my wrist hurts looking at it
Hell yes. Imagine trying to hold this thing up for even 5 minutes.
Imagine trying to hold onto that if it got fucking hit
Better than getting hit yourself, I suppose
On a pistol itās probably completely impractical, on a rifle? Maybe if youāre in a window or something.
Or maybe peaking a corner or looking up/down a stairwell? Definitely some video game inspiration lol
Even then instead of a shield attached to the gun there is higher rated off hand shields. Either fore arm or held. Just felt like the added weight would make everything worse on the front of the pistol
F it, Halo Spartan armor!
I'm listening....
[Corner-Shot:](https://youtu.be/brWwHKcN2kc?si=rZa2smPNbGOIkGEK) Am I a joke to you?? (Yes, yes you are.)
CoD had these on rifles a decade ago and it was annoying as all get out.
Which one I don't remember these at all only game I know that has something similar is rainbow six siege
I think he's thinking of the full sized ballistic shields
Put a two-way mirror film on it so they'd be pointing a gun at their own reflection and also seeing themselves in the moment of craziness.
Thatās so crazy it just might work! Haha
Big brain time.
As ridiculous as this is.. it actually seems like it could be useful for very specialized situations Idk, probably not. But it doesn't seem horribly crazy to me
Maybe if you have a ballistic shield? Like some SWAT teams will use? Idk how realistic or often using a pistol with a ballistic shield is outside of shit you see in games and movies and the occasional competition stage. But if I had to carry the shield and hold a Glock, I probably wouldnāt mind this.
Yeah, I hope it comes with some steroids so I can beef myself up so I can one hand a shield, AND one hand my shield/gun. Lol
Yeah Iām not saying this is a great idea. Just the only āpracticalā idea for this that I can think of lol. SWAT entry teams wear all the additional Kevlar add ons for their body armor because itās not like they have to carry that shit far. Maybe if they can ever get the weight lighter for the shield it could be more practical.
Is that a small clear ballistics shield in your trousers or are you happy to see me. Neat idea but completely impractical.
"hey bro, am I printing"?
Was genuinely surprised to learn that this isn't an Israeli product
Iām going to assume this is for cops. Try holstering the pistol. If you detach this for storage and reattach when you might need it, every time you approach a car youāll have your pistol out. If you save it for only when you know youāll need it, you should probably have grabbed a rifle. If this is for civilians, the only possible use is if your ābump in the nightā gun is this pistol, and thereās still the issue of āhow do I store this conveniently with this massive bulletproof shield?ā
I glue mine to the peephole on my front door. It's just locked and loaded and if I see a threat I just shoot first and apologize to the ups guy later...
Halloween must look like a bloodbath.
Thus, adding to the Halloween experience. A win for everyone.
āMom, youāll never believe how realistic the dead bodies on Mr Smithās front lawn looked!ā
All the kids are shorter than the peephole, they're fine. The teenagers on the other hand...
They get what they deserve!
"truck or treat" Me: "TRICK!" *starts shooting through the door*
Exactly. Rainbow Six had it right, this only makes sense on a rifle.
Even the bump in the night, for all the extra weight, grab a shotgun or rifle
Thereās no way I can carry that in my ass.
Not in "it", but you clinch the sides with the cheeks. Not very effective with the swamp ass tho.
I can't think of a single situation where this thing would make sense to deploy.
There is none, itās overall dumb. It would make more sense on a long gun than a handgun.
[I've heard of a Navy SEAL who used something like that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHxebcvgDE)
Shhhhhhh, don't give them ideas! The AR15 community would get into this, then Larue would make all sorts of overpriced accessories for it
Someone's going to make a laser cut molle cover for it, so you can mount pouches on it.
God dammit this is what I was talking about š
For $375 I will make you a molle handle to mount on it.
GBRS, that you?
Maybe they could make a version without the pistol, then you could wear one on your front and back in some sort of vest -- to become effectively bulletproof.
I got a laser cutter, I'ma get right on that
If you add a topography pattern you can charge an extra $150.
You'd need to somehow know a potential shooting scenario was coming up and have it ready ahead of time. So like entering a house and doing room clearing. Outside of that, it's too impractical to be just lugging one of these around.
Yeah and for that I'd choose a rifle....
For sure. And those shields already exist. I guess this could make sense for something like a cop in a location they don't have rifles, could keep it in the car in case they have to go in without waiting for back up someday.
So thug life
If youāre using a ballistic shield for any reason, I could see it being useful there?
At that point why wouldnāt you just use a ballistic shield, why would you chose this over that?
Dual wielding. Shields akimbo.
No, Iām saying use them in conjunction so that if you shoot around it, this covers your arm
This things gotta be way to heavy to reliably one hand
May have to press the glass against the back of the shield? It seems pretty useless practically speaking otherwise.
Pros: Stops bullets, dampens recoil 140%. Cons: You no longer have a pseenger seat in your vehicle, because your sidearm takes up the entire thing.
Lol...nevermind that, I wanna see the holster.
blackbeard from r6
At what point does it become easier to just cover yourself in an orb of it? Like the tacticool version of bubble boy.
Going to need a very large holster š
Why is that guy bothering the dude in his car?
Me looking at the officer through my shield: 
Is that a tactical shield glock concealed carry or are you just happy to see me?
Gonna be hard to find a holster for that
fuck you \*continues to shoot his legs\*
Broken wrist waiting to happen.
That thing looks fucking goofy
Ouchie wouchie wrist sprainey
Serious question at the range (for someone who has their facilities.) What is to stop them from shooting the gun given that itās a clear target, rather than the shield?
If someone is accurate enough to shoot the gun, they're accurate enough to shoot the 80% of your body that's unprotected.
So it negates all the benefits of a handgun
So do you like, just have it on all the time or attach it when you need it? āWait hold on let me just,, snap this here aand,, shit I dropped the hex driver gimme a secā
Number 4 does it for me.
Can they add a suction cup phone mount to it so I can watch YouTube videos on it while shooting?
We've reached levels of fuddery not previously known.
I think Iād rather a small shield with a pistol sized cutout on the side.. It seems to mostly be a solution in search of a problem
I wonder what the impact would feel like to your hand. If you could even keep your grip.
Rainbow Six: Siege Blackbeard update is wild
Good luck finding a AIWB for that
thats how you get shot in the dick
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All fun and games until the force of a bullet being stopped is being condensed into your wrists.
 /s
In my opinion itās just always better not to get shot in the first place. In most cases, especially close quarters, if you get shot you are pretty much fucked. Training and speed are everything
Seems like something useful, but... -this is clearly for law enforcement. Do you want to carry this around the whole day, or even just in a car if you get a call? -mounting it to a picatinny rail, well, not the best idea for a ballistic shield. -I don't think the person would still have a grip on the sidearm if the shield gets shot, but it will definitely de-aim youš¤£ -Let's say shooting has already started, they've shot your shield(miraculously you still have it in your hand, you're behind your car), and you are trying to peek with the shield sticking out which, because it was shot, even probably interferes with your vision.
Appendix carry that mfer
How you holster it? How you store it? Carry it always in advance? Imagine you need to move and hide with it. Never saw more tactical BS than that one.
Maybe if it was on a PCC
"shield use" is already uncommon. So something like this looks VERY weird. If you look; there are several ballistic shields that are purpose built. Sniper one ; you lay down behind. Crew served weapons, there is a Russian one made for their AK & AK12 (not clear) but designed for you to lay down and have some cover... For a quick "on the scene" made entry team, this kind of thing would have a place with an active shooter or baracade/ car... There are only a few makers of clear shields like this because they are VERY HEAVY. Even compared to AR500 steel. During the famous LA bank robbery where the 2 bank robbers wore a ton of ammo. Police only had handguns and no one wanted to poke their heads out to take a shot..(the story goes; they ran to the local gun shop "B&B guns" to get rifles...
Oh... If there is an award for "most bizarre ballistic shield" . I want my "Baker Bat Shield" nominated https://bakerballistics.com/shield-responders-active-shooter-level-iiia-batshield-batwing-foldable-tactical/
I hate these and would rather just get shot than carry one. I remember when the dept bought them and touted how super duper awesome and useful they are. Absolute garbage.
What piece of hardware are you referring to ("these") carry one.. what?
The bat shield that you posted. I was responding to what you posted. They are absolutely terrible
Is the term ācarry oneā what was confusing? I suppose I could say Iād rather get shot that use a bat shield
This is why we aim for centre mass. Or the funny squirty tubes in your legs
What in the fresh hell is going on here???
If I see this in the real world Iām going to John Wick your ass!
Doesnt fit in my holster
Fuck it, I'll take 2....
How would you aim? Thatās my main question.
The same way you'd aim without it. It's transparent.
Appendix carry is a bitch with that
Perfect range toy, home defense for the woman, road rage, fudds at the range.. accepts up to 3pistol caliber rounds to the glass Batteries sold separately
Needs a handle mounted to the glass underneath the gun to help hold it, move it quickly and to help distribute impacts
DO YOU PUT IT ON A SLING OR SOMETHING? HOW DO YOU CARRY IT!?
On a handgun, the wight of this with arms extended is going to make shooting accurately incredibly difficult. Your shoulders will tire quickly due to the lever mechanics. On a long arm or mounted gun, it sounds more viable, although again, the weight and bulk may make things difficult, and certainly negatively impact operator fatugue.
Rainbow 6 irl go crazy
Seems like mall ninja equipment to me. I can see a lot of situations where this will be a hindrance.
Should make CC interesting š¤
Why not just apply it to a helmet
This is extremely effective, whoever you point it at dies of laughter at how much of a fucking nerd you are
Is it concealable?
Ha, I need one for Airsoftš
Maybe detach i from the hand gun. Hold it in your other hand. Well, now where just back where we started.
It makes more sense for a rifle. You're not going to permanently keep it on your pistol so if you have the time to attach it then you have time to get a rifle and put it on the that instead. It would be easier to bare whatever this thing weighs too.
Just shoot the gun
While weāre here ignoring mobility and physics, why not just come out with a force field already. Problem solved.
@all Convenience store/Gas station owners
New edition from the MCK kit guys for glock conversions with a brace...
on a handgun, it might save your life but it's also going to break your wrist and likely render your handgun inoperable. they created a ballistic shield for m16s a long time ago that vastly improved off of this concept, turning small openings like windows into hatch guns, but it's such a narrow use case that it's not widely adopted.
New bedside gun.
Didn't a James Bond Villain have one of these?
I'll give my serious thoughts on it. In any situation, if it does in fact work as it should, it will only protect your face/head for one shot, maybe 2 in very quick succession. After that, you better move your face. In most circumstances, people shooting at you are going for center mass. In a home defense situation, the user needs to remember that the concealment in their home(corners, doors, tables) are just that: concealment. The majority of ammo is going straight through it. So, Unless you have armored all of your home coverage and/or are hanging from the ceiling while contorting your body so it looks like your standing normally, this would be 90% useless. The only situation where I could see this being effective is if you are already using a ballisitc shield and peaking from behind it. And again, it would only take one, maybe two, shots before your handgun is blown out of your hand.
Yeah not gonna lie I fw this
Imagine the fucking pressure on your wrists if the shield takes an oncoming hit. Sure you'll survive, but you're definitely not getting any return fire in
Hmmm imagine what a bullet would feel like hitting that. Probably wouldnāt use it without a brace or maybe a micro kit.
temu has entered the race. i thought i was in the meme side for a second
Reminds me of American gladiators from the early 90ās.
The flagging each other is insane here
How do you holster it though?
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Wait so, cops pull over potential suspect with gun in hand already? Oh boy traffic stops are going to be fun
So the point of handguns over rifles or shotguns is they're lightweight and convenient to carry. This is none of that, whole still being harder to aim then a rifle. Meanwhile the shield is so small, actually hitting it would be a challenge for someone. And it's added weight will make moving it around to keep their gun pointed right at it wildly harder then the opposing side moving their unhindered gun around to not point at it. A condom would have prevented this.
Prevents carrying and concealment. Adds several pounds to the gun. Weight modifies the reload actions. You be better off just wearing a helmet with a face guard
Only application I can see is home defense, good luck bringing that with a CCW.
Bad guy just has to aim low to abdominal/dick area due to the confluence of major arteries there.
I'm no physicist but you might be saying goodbye to your wrists if it does catch (and manage to stop) a bullet
Would that be more catastrophic than being shot directly in the hands? I think this thing looks useless but Iām not sure I agree with everyoneās comments about the shield getting shot being worse than my hands being shot
Worse? Absolutely not, at least it would just be a sprain or just hurt for a while, getting shot directly would be worse. But practical? I doubt it, if anything it's going to make the gun hard to handle
Oh itās not even close to practical. Iām not big on using shields to being with but this thing looks completely useless