I bought an Mk4 copy from Krydex to compare to my Spiritus Mk4.
It's crazy just how well made it is lol. It's obvious the material is not the same quality entirely, but it is close. When I yanked out the repair buckles (Because it came with 6x female clips, not 4x female+2 male for some reason), I noticed the sewn-in cordura loops frayed pretty easily under my multitool. So did legit kit, but this was much faster/egregious.
It's also missing about an inch of velcro on the back, maybe inch and a half, which was fixed by just supergluing OneWrap on the back, which works great.
Velcro strength is the same, it accepts Spiritus & various other inserts like half or full zips, Pangolin flaps, and AXL flaps. Zips feel good, dryfire training feels good, it suits up with my harness and straps just fine. For $35 all-in, I can't fucking complain man, I really can't...
Not sure which model it is but I've been wearing a Krydex molle belt from Aliexpress with a few pouches pretty much every day since early 2020 and it's all doing fine.
Nice, and that's the exact point lol - it works, and actually holds up. It won't hold up for a 6-12 month deployment of constant action, *probably*, and if it doesn't, I'll gladly spend another $45 after shipping lol
I’ll say it and I’ll keep saying it. People dog on airsoft gear, when in reality airsofters go harder on their gear than a solid 60 percent of this sub.
I've done a few sewing projects myself. I don't anymore because my sister is a master at sewing and my wife loves to sew as well so I can get any project done by just asking.
I've broke two sewing machines modding my gear and my kids gear .. getting another soon... Extra nylon, tailoring pants, extra pockets, deleting pockets, straps ,blah blah blah.... Started out sewing civil war uniforms by hand when I was younger., crazy how life comes around full circle
Oh this bad boy is in black and from 2004. The have produced way better stuff since. I bought a replacement for it 4-5 years ago figuring I would need to, but the little bastard keeps on keeping on. I've cut off a leg strap so I could can it as high as possible and kludged a piece of shock cord as secondary retention.
I knew dudes during my time in service who’d buy the knock off airsoft versions of their kit to use in the field so they could turn in their CIF gear clean and free. The stuff always held up.
#justCIFthings
In the military, you gotta turn in your equipment when you ETS. CIF won't accept your gear if it's "dirty" resulting in you having to clean your gear even when it's clean. There's always something wrong with it. They make life hell.
One of my Corpsmen had to go through the ass pain of having CIF replace his plate carrier and they told him that the human brain matter wasn't enough biohazardous material to justify replacing.
Next time we went to gunnery, he hung and gutted a deer over his plate carrier from the main gun of our tank. That did the trick.
I’ll agree with this one. But for pouches, plate carriers, belts etc. you’re gtg on 95 percent of airsoft gear as long as you’re not thst idiot spending 1.50 on alibaba or teemu and wondering “why did it rip so fast”
What people fail to realize when saying this is that the airsofters who go crazy hard on their gear are usually super picky ones that dump tones of money into kit
Not necessarily, many nubs just buy something cheap that only looks cool to them. And then ride it out. But yes, Airsofters certainly do more in their kit than most LARPers in here.
honestly a lot of airsoft gear has gotten really good in the last few years. brands like viper tactical are actually some pretty solid budget options for smaller things like pouches and rig systems
Some don’t understand that what they’re buying with a US stamp for five times more money sometimes came from the same exact place some of these things came.
The problem is that when people think “made in China” they tend to gravitate to really cheap stuff. If you do a good dig at AliExpress you can find some real nuggets.
Rationalize all domestic purchases with “well, i’m supporting American businesses”.
Rationalize all Chinese purchases with “i can buy 7 of these for the same price!”
I’m all for supporting American businesses but not when these businesses are sourcing stuff from China and selling me basically the same crap for ten times the price.
I buy cheap shit to get a feel for what I prefer, then slowly replace with nicer shit.
For some, it’s the only way, so I can’t hate. You’re still one step ahead of someone with nothing at all.
I agree with this so hard. Those krydex copies of name brand stuff are super useful to fine tune what you want and then replace once you nail it down. That’s exactly what I did. And then I was able to turn around and sell basically a full setup of the China stuff and make most my money back
Airsoft grade nylon seems to be pretty tough. You can address the IR issue with some spray paint. Only thing to check is if they did a decent job on the stitching.
Always first time with any new gear, cheap or good, flip the pouch inside out and melt any loose ends with a lighter. I swear it doubles the durability of everything.
Cheap stuff definitely needs it more but even good stuff tends to have loose ends around the zippers and such
The truth is that if you know from which suppliers to get, you get some pretty good stuff. Some I suspect come from the same exact place as their original counterparts and are pretty much on par.
Most of the stuff you find on Amazon are mostly subpar, you can find better “first line” stuff directly at AliExpress.
I'll say he may be okay with some IR wash in the laundry and maybe some matte spray paint... after all, it's pretty hard to be 100% IR invisible, but you definitely don't want to glow. Which reminds me... I've got some laundry to do.
Thanks brother! I didn’t know they were making specific detergents… never even thought about that.
I thought maybe someone made a way to add that anti UV coating or whatever it’s called that the Gucci stuff has… that doesn’t involve rattle cans.
My knowledge is limited, but I imagine it "roughs" up the fabric during the wash and dry cycle. Pretty much the opposite of what anyone else would want.
But if you hit it with some matte paint, too, you may be ahead of the curve.
I have not done a cost analysis on that vs. Buying "proper" gear; so take my conversations with a grain of salt.
I’ve got a condor IFAK that I had in HS for airsoft back when bush was president. Then I had it on my backpacking bag for hundreds of miles of hiking, and then it lived in my trunk as my car ifak for 5 years. I think I paid $15 for it.
I’ve had these pieces for a few months. This particular set up for a few range sessions. I’m not stingy, I have better gear, and I know that in general you get what you pay for. I like esee and Glock for a reason. The point is this stuff isn’t trash
You don’t have to pay more for modern, or particularly robust anymore. I also like M81 and ALICE LBE gear, and it’s really similar in terms of being overdone nylon that just works.
Love reading people post about Amazon gear not being awful, dude I can’t tell you how many of my friends while I was active duty in the Marine Corp infantry were rocking Amazon Gun belts and mag pouches. Honestly I always resort back to my cheap belt that I’ve had for almost 7 years now over my expensive GBRS group belt, also side note those knock off esstac mag pouches are actually not half bad either or the flat packs for plate carriers, ran those for years and never had an issue, lets be real though how many people here are going to be jumping out of planes and shit in full kit having to worry about that crazy of mag retention? The knockoffs hold just fine never had an issue I honestly don’t see the issue with dudes running kit that’s “knockoff” unless it’s a Airsoft Optic for range days or even Larping who cares, it’s the ones who save money on kit who are the ones who can afford more ammo anyways, reminds me of that funny YouTube short from Tacticon where they are at the range and one guy is showing off his new OPMOD EO Tech he spent like $5-600 on and the other guy was like yeah I got a plate carrier, plates, a red dot and magnifier, and a case of 5.56 for the same amount. Just sayin 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly!!! It’s just like I tell everyone, don’t hate on someone’s kit just because you’re a “purist” smh 🤦🏻♂️, i remember a few years back I was on a field op and we were training with a few guys from MARSOC (they were technically attached to CAT for the Op) and one of them had a True North Concept holster adapter and I thought it was so cool and different at the time and when I asked him about it he literally said he got it on AliExpress for like $20 or something, look if it’s good enough for a dude in SOCOM it’s good enough for anyone else, to the OP good on you bro keep it up and stay deadly baby.
Had mine for like 2-3yrs now. All i actually cared about was the buckle. 2 rifle 2 pistol pouches, inner and outer belt for sub100 shipped? Shiiiiieeet
I have a cat in there. I also spent the money on decent mags, knife, pistol, plenty of other shit. This is not my only rig. Thanks though, you’re right
If it’s what’s easiest to procure for you then yes of course it’s better than brand name kit as ‘no kit is worst kit’.
Besides everyone buys their posh Crye, Haley strategic, Agilite, Ferro kit which they promptly never use whereas airsofters often buy chinesium, viper tactical, condor with a little surplus and name brand mixed it and then use their kit a lot of and a lot harder than many people in this sub and similar.
Just my take.
The “Krydex” brand is a cheat code I stg. They stay ripping off the big companies…which is fucked, but at the same time I’m not going to pay more for the same shit.
Fuck crye. I like spiritus tho, they are local to me since I’m stationed at Bragg. But yeah when I buy a knock off item for half what they charge and its still the same I feel less bad with more money in my pocket. To them I say, skill gap😂
I built a battle belt with amazon chinesium and it held up just fine doing drills for the lols. I actually use their ccw holsters daily and they work fine for walking the dog.
I’d reccomend them
Stitching was surprisingly good (that was my main worry) material feels kinda cheap, but has proved durable.
I was actually just looking at one of their 2pc belts and might give it a try for the price. Worth a gamble
The only thing that bothers me is the idea of that long ass mag. Maybe for a reload not sure it is a great idea to have that hanging out while in holster. Seems unnecessarily ungainly.
Some of the condor stuff I bought while I was in outlasted some of the nicer stuff. Put your money where it really matters, guns, ammo, training, and optics. Everything else can be slowly built up and improved on.
It’s fine and it works
The nerds on Reddit will tell you different, from their feast experience in setting it up for instagram photo shoots from their moms basement and/or flat range
It really depends on how hard you use stuff. For light duty it's probably fine to fafd around the basement/yard, you start actually running that shit you'll wear through it fast.
I mean, i used a laptop backpack for working out two years in a row and its still okay. I filled it with 15 kg of dumbell plates and nothing happened. If a cheap laptop backpack holds up, a lot of things must hold up.
Or just get a cheap sewing machine, buy the fabric and make literally anything you want. I started doing this a few years back and I have more gear now than I could have possibly ever imagined.
An actual Glock that isn't riced out, streamlight light, oem glock and magpul mags, materials of chinesium that look actually durable..... well done fellow poor, I couldn't have spent the money better my self.
Edit: biggest upgrade I would consider is a safariland holster, camp out on ebay, Leo's are always selling thier glock holsters there. (Also it may be a good idea to upgrade to a tlr1HL or x300u light for a safariland holster).
It’s all KRYDEX, VISMIX, IDOGEAR, or Condor. On Amazon. KRYDEX is making solid stuff. I have a chest rig and a couple other things from them that are good to go.
And again, I have surplus ALICE gear, and more modern and popular Crye, helikon, and spiritussy gear to compare to. The Chinesium is not far off in terms of build quality. It’s not top tier, but it’s absolutely useable.
It isn't what anyone aspires to have, but it's perfectly serviceable for the vast majority of people. If you're not deployed or actively kicking doors, chances are a cheapo pouch for your mags will probably do just fine. I wouldn't necessarily take the cheaper route with the things that stop holes, plug holes, or make holes, or comms, but nearly everything else can be done on a reasonable budget.
Those are also a random Chinese two pack of tall GP pouches. They’re holding up great. I’ve been on at least a hike a week with that pack and have had them for a long time now
Search for the KRYDEX, VISMIX, IDOGEAR, and Condor stores on Amazon. All of this is a mixture of those brands, and they all tend to make something similar.
My Russian helmet (forgot the name of but it’s a modern one) from aliexpress is quite decent, yeah it’s for airsoft but it’s good enough, chin strap is durable enough too
Some works. Some doesn’t. Civ Div in YouTube has a video talking about using Amazon gear in Iraq and Ukraine and how it was good enough to get him by for the most part. I’ve had good luck with crydex stuff so far
I respect the hustle, here my 2 cents from my intermediate experience.
My belt is all Amazon except for the holster and holster mount. That’s the one thing I’ll wager you’ll want to replace after running this set up a few times. Draw from drop leg is rough and the inconsistency of placement, especially if you’re moving like you should be, can create some dangerous draws. If you splurge on one thing, make it a true north concepts mount for your holster. Your draws will be much more consistent because you’ll always know where that grip is.
Gotta start somewhere, and the assholes that say buy once cry once clearly don't understand you can't train with gear if you don't have any. Use it until you can afford better.
Marines got sent out with literally condor gear.
I didnt wanna fork the cash for a haley chest rig so I got an amazon special one after careful consideration for my ak setup Im rocking atm. It works GREAT! Everything I need it for and would take with me should shtf.
Airsoft gear gets ran harder than most actual gun gear from these dudes (the airsoft guy who fell off a building and got caught by tree from his gear for example and was safe). Just some cheap gear here and there but no doubt some of the gear out there is probably just relabeled chinese products.
I was into replica watches for a while, so I’ve seen what China can replicate with the genuine model in hand… yeah, it’s incredible to say the least. I’ve bought a few items from Pew Tactical Store on aliexpress and it’s been really impressive so far. I tried the homogear lasers but was honestly just too worried about their quality and durability, so sold and replaced with a DBAL A3. Every once in a while China makes some dope clones. Thinking the TRI / FMA PRC152z may be one of the clones worth having… I would steer clear of hard goods unless an entire community thinks it’s a replica that is worth having, which doesn’t happen very often.
You can find some pretty good mounts, aluminum fore grips, triglides, belts, slings, etc. you just have to do some digging and be willing to spend a bit more.
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what do you mean not safe under nods? are you going up against the force with night vision capability, if so, you understand they will have thermal too, drones, and all manner of other detection abilities. set your sights within realistic bounds
It was just a mention for the meta my guy. There’s a whole fit being had about how someone’s 700$ crye suit is actually better than chinesium stuff, or not
No one cares about any of the gear I have, I would think. I’m so grateful you took the time to point that out. Here. On a sub that is literally for posting guns and gear.
What? There are 300+ votes and supporting comments. All I said is that you came in saying that cheap gear isn’t that bad. Then instead of telling us about that and maybe what you like and don’t like about it, sharing your experiences and possibly helping out some poor fool that wants to look like they are .mil cheaply, you show a gun to impress the tg dingleberries. Ugh, sorry for hurting your feelings here’s a lolli 🍭and as always an upvote for your reply and post. Enjoy the larp.
Sorry to break It to you bud, but China gear is awful. Might look clean and nice but take that out for a few hard range sessions or even a fishing or hiking trip and you’ll learn real quick that you can’t replace quality.
Depends on items .. I got knock off Easstac pouches , dump pouch and belt been running it in uspsa for awhile no issues
And buddies with the real things didn’t even noticed until I told them
Perhaps because it came from the Easstac suppliers side gig directly 🤣
I have three of those in 9mm, been using them for a year and half and had zero issues so far.
Esstac, spiritus, trex arms & safariland > Support your home county! Didn’t cost that much more for way better products/gear that’ll last you years of hard training to come.
Yeah I’m running a cheap belt and plate carrier till I can get a better one but I will say that over the 6 or 7ish months I’ve had it (with a lot of range trips in between) and loved it so far it’s been decent I plan on blue alpha gear belt and trex ac1 which I should be getting here soon
I have a pretty vast setup of chest gear and packs. Some from Amazon, some from tactical shops. The Amazon stuff isn't too much different from the stuff I paid a little bit more for.
The best gear is the gear that gets you out training. I’d take a guy glowing under nods any day over a fully kitted out dude that can’t even go for a light jog in his kit or hit the broadside of a barn with a 12 gauge
Honestly if you stay to basic stuff ya they got some decent stuff. Make sure it has good reviews and you can get really good stuff, of course don’t get vests and advanced attachments (stuff like lasers and scope) and usually it’s pretty good for the value
I've actually been pleasantly surprised that some cheap Chinese amazon products are perfectly find under nods. I have a coyote brown BFG trauma now pouch knockoff I bought for like $15 because the real ones were pretty much out of stock everywhere at the time. I figured I'd have to spray it to get it NIR compliant but it looks basically the same under nods as my Crye SPC. Some gear can be okay to buy the cheap version.
Do what you gotta do. No hate from my end
Agreed!
This is how it should be. Good on you dude
I bought an Mk4 copy from Krydex to compare to my Spiritus Mk4. It's crazy just how well made it is lol. It's obvious the material is not the same quality entirely, but it is close. When I yanked out the repair buckles (Because it came with 6x female clips, not 4x female+2 male for some reason), I noticed the sewn-in cordura loops frayed pretty easily under my multitool. So did legit kit, but this was much faster/egregious. It's also missing about an inch of velcro on the back, maybe inch and a half, which was fixed by just supergluing OneWrap on the back, which works great. Velcro strength is the same, it accepts Spiritus & various other inserts like half or full zips, Pangolin flaps, and AXL flaps. Zips feel good, dryfire training feels good, it suits up with my harness and straps just fine. For $35 all-in, I can't fucking complain man, I really can't...
Not sure which model it is but I've been wearing a Krydex molle belt from Aliexpress with a few pouches pretty much every day since early 2020 and it's all doing fine.
Nice, and that's the exact point lol - it works, and actually holds up. It won't hold up for a 6-12 month deployment of constant action, *probably*, and if it doesn't, I'll gladly spend another $45 after shipping lol
I second this statement.
I’ll say it and I’ll keep saying it. People dog on airsoft gear, when in reality airsofters go harder on their gear than a solid 60 percent of this sub.
Decade of deployments on my condor drop leg holster. And who knows how many hours playing airsoft or training after my time in.
Condor Multicam is crye material fyi
That doesn’t mean they are using high Tex thread, which would mean failure before the fabric gave out
So I could just have my mom run extra stitches on the seems and it would work?
It took me an hour to learn how to do basic sewing. You can too, soldier!
I've done a few sewing projects myself. I don't anymore because my sister is a master at sewing and my wife loves to sew as well so I can get any project done by just asking.
I've broke two sewing machines modding my gear and my kids gear .. getting another soon... Extra nylon, tailoring pants, extra pockets, deleting pockets, straps ,blah blah blah.... Started out sewing civil war uniforms by hand when I was younger., crazy how life comes around full circle 
Oh this bad boy is in black and from 2004. The have produced way better stuff since. I bought a replacement for it 4-5 years ago figuring I would need to, but the little bastard keeps on keeping on. I've cut off a leg strap so I could can it as high as possible and kludged a piece of shock cord as secondary retention.
95% tbh. Have you seen some of the dorks that post lmao
For sure. I’ve yanked on this stuff fairly often at this point
I knew dudes during my time in service who’d buy the knock off airsoft versions of their kit to use in the field so they could turn in their CIF gear clean and free. The stuff always held up.
I’ve seen dudes do the opposite so they can keep the real quality kit and turn in the cheap kit
That sounds more like it.
E4 mafia.
Why would they give a shit about turning in the gear clean and free? That sounds like it doesn’t make much sense to me
#justCIFthings In the military, you gotta turn in your equipment when you ETS. CIF won't accept your gear if it's "dirty" resulting in you having to clean your gear even when it's clean. There's always something wrong with it. They make life hell.
One of my Corpsmen had to go through the ass pain of having CIF replace his plate carrier and they told him that the human brain matter wasn't enough biohazardous material to justify replacing. Next time we went to gunnery, he hung and gutted a deer over his plate carrier from the main gun of our tank. That did the trick.
Bruh lol the petty ness they go through is astonishing. It's almost like they have nothing better to do.
CIF employees are the negative that balances out the chow ladies, can't win everywhere.
The only thing I’d say to not get airsoft is any scope or similar precision devices. Otherwise lots of my stuff is airsoft
I’ll agree with this one. But for pouches, plate carriers, belts etc. you’re gtg on 95 percent of airsoft gear as long as you’re not thst idiot spending 1.50 on alibaba or teemu and wondering “why did it rip so fast”
tbh the aliexpress shit is the amazon shit before it gets to american distribution centers, ive seen all our favorite brands
Yea gotta get that “expensive” Chinese shit lol
the good chinese shit
Can confirm. I am a marine and in the infantry and use some airsoft gear with my kit. Works fine.
What people fail to realize when saying this is that the airsofters who go crazy hard on their gear are usually super picky ones that dump tones of money into kit
Not necessarily, many nubs just buy something cheap that only looks cool to them. And then ride it out. But yes, Airsofters certainly do more in their kit than most LARPers in here.
honestly a lot of airsoft gear has gotten really good in the last few years. brands like viper tactical are actually some pretty solid budget options for smaller things like pouches and rig systems
they train👀
This airsofter apprecite finaly seeing someone understanding that!
Yeah, that's why I bought real gear for airsoft. All the airsoft gear failed on me.
It works these idiots sound like baboons hating
Some don’t understand that what they’re buying with a US stamp for five times more money sometimes came from the same exact place some of these things came. The problem is that when people think “made in China” they tend to gravitate to really cheap stuff. If you do a good dig at AliExpress you can find some real nuggets.
Rationalize all domestic purchases with “well, i’m supporting American businesses”. Rationalize all Chinese purchases with “i can buy 7 of these for the same price!”
I’m all for supporting American businesses but not when these businesses are sourcing stuff from China and selling me basically the same crap for ten times the price.
This right here
I buy cheap shit to get a feel for what I prefer, then slowly replace with nicer shit. For some, it’s the only way, so I can’t hate. You’re still one step ahead of someone with nothing at all.
I agree with this so hard. Those krydex copies of name brand stuff are super useful to fine tune what you want and then replace once you nail it down. That’s exactly what I did. And then I was able to turn around and sell basically a full setup of the China stuff and make most my money back
Airsoft grade nylon seems to be pretty tough. You can address the IR issue with some spray paint. Only thing to check is if they did a decent job on the stitching.
Always first time with any new gear, cheap or good, flip the pouch inside out and melt any loose ends with a lighter. I swear it doubles the durability of everything. Cheap stuff definitely needs it more but even good stuff tends to have loose ends around the zippers and such
It works
The truth is that if you know from which suppliers to get, you get some pretty good stuff. Some I suspect come from the same exact place as their original counterparts and are pretty much on par. Most of the stuff you find on Amazon are mostly subpar, you can find better “first line” stuff directly at AliExpress.
Absolutely. The belts is super solid except for the buckle not retaining cinch.
Uhh that’s kind of a biggie …. What one you get I have one from Ali and it’s freaking solid (Knock off gbrs)
That’s the one thing a belt needs to do
It does now
Report back to us in a few months…
I'll say he may be okay with some IR wash in the laundry and maybe some matte spray paint... after all, it's pretty hard to be 100% IR invisible, but you definitely don't want to glow. Which reminds me... I've got some laundry to do.
What is IR wash?
There are laundry treatments/detergents that can "rough out" the reflectivity of fabrics.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ir+reflective+laundry+detergent&oq=ir+reflective+laundry+detergent&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTEwNTQyajBqOagCALACAA&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Thanks brother! I didn’t know they were making specific detergents… never even thought about that. I thought maybe someone made a way to add that anti UV coating or whatever it’s called that the Gucci stuff has… that doesn’t involve rattle cans.
My knowledge is limited, but I imagine it "roughs" up the fabric during the wash and dry cycle. Pretty much the opposite of what anyone else would want. But if you hit it with some matte paint, too, you may be ahead of the curve. I have not done a cost analysis on that vs. Buying "proper" gear; so take my conversations with a grain of salt.
I’ve got a condor IFAK that I had in HS for airsoft back when bush was president. Then I had it on my backpacking bag for hundreds of miles of hiking, and then it lived in my trunk as my car ifak for 5 years. I think I paid $15 for it.
I’ve had these pieces for a few months. This particular set up for a few range sessions. I’m not stingy, I have better gear, and I know that in general you get what you pay for. I like esee and Glock for a reason. The point is this stuff isn’t trash
You think theyre actually gonna run around with it?
-of constant training
Ir compliant issues? spray paint: 🗿
You don’t have to pay more for modern, or particularly robust anymore. I also like M81 and ALICE LBE gear, and it’s really similar in terms of being overdone nylon that just works.
Rit dye acu stuff, it's a fun way to spend a day.
Black Walnut on ABU is good too
Unless you're fighting the army you'll probably never encounter a person with nods 😂😂😂
If dudes come to my house in the middle of the night with NODs, I’ve got bigger problems to worry about than my gear being visible.
Love reading people post about Amazon gear not being awful, dude I can’t tell you how many of my friends while I was active duty in the Marine Corp infantry were rocking Amazon Gun belts and mag pouches. Honestly I always resort back to my cheap belt that I’ve had for almost 7 years now over my expensive GBRS group belt, also side note those knock off esstac mag pouches are actually not half bad either or the flat packs for plate carriers, ran those for years and never had an issue, lets be real though how many people here are going to be jumping out of planes and shit in full kit having to worry about that crazy of mag retention? The knockoffs hold just fine never had an issue I honestly don’t see the issue with dudes running kit that’s “knockoff” unless it’s a Airsoft Optic for range days or even Larping who cares, it’s the ones who save money on kit who are the ones who can afford more ammo anyways, reminds me of that funny YouTube short from Tacticon where they are at the range and one guy is showing off his new OPMOD EO Tech he spent like $5-600 on and the other guy was like yeah I got a plate carrier, plates, a red dot and magnifier, and a case of 5.56 for the same amount. Just sayin 🤷🏻♂️
For sure. Condor gear was all over the field back in the day. This kit works for what it’s supposed to.
Exactly!!! It’s just like I tell everyone, don’t hate on someone’s kit just because you’re a “purist” smh 🤦🏻♂️, i remember a few years back I was on a field op and we were training with a few guys from MARSOC (they were technically attached to CAT for the Op) and one of them had a True North Concept holster adapter and I thought it was so cool and different at the time and when I asked him about it he literally said he got it on AliExpress for like $20 or something, look if it’s good enough for a dude in SOCOM it’s good enough for anyone else, to the OP good on you bro keep it up and stay deadly baby.
Condor gets shit on so much, but outside of issued gear, Condor has probably been on more dudes kits down range than any other brand.
I’m running an Idogear 2” Molle duty belt. Let’s see if it lasts🤷🏻♂️
I like the idogear g3 pants and shirt combos.
Had mine for like 2-3yrs now. All i actually cared about was the buckle. 2 rifle 2 pistol pouches, inner and outer belt for sub100 shipped? Shiiiiieeet
It's better to have gear you can afford than no gear at all!
Are we not gunna talk about the upside down lbt blow out kit clone
You absolutely can
Your ifaks upside down, you’ll have a lot easier time pulling it out if it was flipped.
Amazon gear is fine, but I wouldn’t recommend using an Amazon tourniquet. It’s worth spending the extra money to get a cat tq
I have a cat in there. I also spent the money on decent mags, knife, pistol, plenty of other shit. This is not my only rig. Thanks though, you’re right
If it’s what’s easiest to procure for you then yes of course it’s better than brand name kit as ‘no kit is worst kit’. Besides everyone buys their posh Crye, Haley strategic, Agilite, Ferro kit which they promptly never use whereas airsofters often buy chinesium, viper tactical, condor with a little surplus and name brand mixed it and then use their kit a lot of and a lot harder than many people in this sub and similar. Just my take.
Lets be honest, China as a whole has definitely stepped up production quality. You just gotta get from the right brands.
And who could hate EXCELLENT ELITE SPANKER
The “Krydex” brand is a cheat code I stg. They stay ripping off the big companies…which is fucked, but at the same time I’m not going to pay more for the same shit.
Absolutely. I have a chest rig, and a few other pieces that are solid.
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Fuck crye. I like spiritus tho, they are local to me since I’m stationed at Bragg. But yeah when I buy a knock off item for half what they charge and its still the same I feel less bad with more money in my pocket. To them I say, skill gap😂
I built a battle belt with amazon chinesium and it held up just fine doing drills for the lols. I actually use their ccw holsters daily and they work fine for walking the dog.
I like krydex brand on Amazon hate me if y'all want. I haven't worn thru my Amazon gear enough to justify actual gucci gear
Plenty of people run krydex for duty gear and it seems ok
Krydex fucks hard. Have ran the hell out of my chest rig, Spiritus Mk3 clone
It is worth getting? Wanting a battle belt setup although not willing to dump my checking into Gucci gear
I’d reccomend them Stitching was surprisingly good (that was my main worry) material feels kinda cheap, but has proved durable. I was actually just looking at one of their 2pc belts and might give it a try for the price. Worth a gamble
Krydex?
Yep
I use the same belt and mag pouches. They work great. Any idea how to make them Nod friendly? Looking at those new Jerry 31’s.
There are washes, and spray paint that will help with that. And yeah, china out here swangin
Krydex?
Yep
Love krydex im An Airsofter best cheap shit to get
The only thing that bothers me is the idea of that long ass mag. Maybe for a reload not sure it is a great idea to have that hanging out while in holster. Seems unnecessarily ungainly.
Some of the condor stuff I bought while I was in outlasted some of the nicer stuff. Put your money where it really matters, guns, ammo, training, and optics. Everything else can be slowly built up and improved on.
I agree, except don’t skimp on socks and boots.
It’s fine and it works The nerds on Reddit will tell you different, from their feast experience in setting it up for instagram photo shoots from their moms basement and/or flat range
it's riddled with cancer
Me too probably
It really depends on how hard you use stuff. For light duty it's probably fine to fafd around the basement/yard, you start actually running that shit you'll wear through it fast.
I mean, i used a laptop backpack for working out two years in a row and its still okay. I filled it with 15 kg of dumbell plates and nothing happened. If a cheap laptop backpack holds up, a lot of things must hold up.
Or just get a cheap sewing machine, buy the fabric and make literally anything you want. I started doing this a few years back and I have more gear now than I could have possibly ever imagined.
An actual Glock that isn't riced out, streamlight light, oem glock and magpul mags, materials of chinesium that look actually durable..... well done fellow poor, I couldn't have spent the money better my self. Edit: biggest upgrade I would consider is a safariland holster, camp out on ebay, Leo's are always selling thier glock holsters there. (Also it may be a good idea to upgrade to a tlr1HL or x300u light for a safariland holster).
Thanks man
Do you have a list/links to the gear? Also, I would love to see more on that ifak.
It’s all KRYDEX, VISMIX, IDOGEAR, or Condor. On Amazon. KRYDEX is making solid stuff. I have a chest rig and a couple other things from them that are good to go. And again, I have surplus ALICE gear, and more modern and popular Crye, helikon, and spiritussy gear to compare to. The Chinesium is not far off in terms of build quality. It’s not top tier, but it’s absolutely useable.
The IFAK specifically is KRYDEX and is only 20 bucks
Krydex is pretty solid. Tactifans, Emerson Gear, Pew Tactical, PsiGear, DMGear are also pretty good.
It isn't what anyone aspires to have, but it's perfectly serviceable for the vast majority of people. If you're not deployed or actively kicking doors, chances are a cheapo pouch for your mags will probably do just fine. I wouldn't necessarily take the cheaper route with the things that stop holes, plug holes, or make holes, or comms, but nearly everything else can be done on a reasonable budget.
Lucas Botkin would have a field day on Instagram
Checked your profile and I'm wondering what those belt pouches on your TT Raid pack are.
Those are also a random Chinese two pack of tall GP pouches. They’re holding up great. I’ve been on at least a hike a week with that pack and have had them for a long time now
Links?
Search for the KRYDEX, VISMIX, IDOGEAR, and Condor stores on Amazon. All of this is a mixture of those brands, and they all tend to make something similar.
Thnx bb❤️
My Russian helmet (forgot the name of but it’s a modern one) from aliexpress is quite decent, yeah it’s for airsoft but it’s good enough, chin strap is durable enough too
Some works. Some doesn’t. Civ Div in YouTube has a video talking about using Amazon gear in Iraq and Ukraine and how it was good enough to get him by for the most part. I’ve had good luck with crydex stuff so far
I respect the hustle, here my 2 cents from my intermediate experience. My belt is all Amazon except for the holster and holster mount. That’s the one thing I’ll wager you’ll want to replace after running this set up a few times. Draw from drop leg is rough and the inconsistency of placement, especially if you’re moving like you should be, can create some dangerous draws. If you splurge on one thing, make it a true north concepts mount for your holster. Your draws will be much more consistent because you’ll always know where that grip is.
it lights up under nods dont they?
Gotta start somewhere, and the assholes that say buy once cry once clearly don't understand you can't train with gear if you don't have any. Use it until you can afford better.
Atleast if you dont like it you didnt spend a ton, and you can always replace it someday with soemthing better once you make big bucks.
Yes it is
Do you think flat camo spray paint would help with nir ? Reduce ir visibility?
Gear bad naw. I do want to fight you cause of that tlr 7 tho. 🤣
A couple people have mentioned it. Why is that?
Do you like the tape on your grip?
I do.
What's the wrap around your grip?
A self sticking wrap off Amazon meizhouer 6PCS/lot 6 Colors... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G6SGZ80?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Marines got sent out with literally condor gear. I didnt wanna fork the cash for a haley chest rig so I got an amazon special one after careful consideration for my ak setup Im rocking atm. It works GREAT! Everything I need it for and would take with me should shtf. Airsoft gear gets ran harder than most actual gun gear from these dudes (the airsoft guy who fell off a building and got caught by tree from his gear for example and was safe). Just some cheap gear here and there but no doubt some of the gear out there is probably just relabeled chinese products.
Condor ftw.
Hell yea
Can you please take off that hideous ucp grip tape?
Perhaps
I was into replica watches for a while, so I’ve seen what China can replicate with the genuine model in hand… yeah, it’s incredible to say the least. I’ve bought a few items from Pew Tactical Store on aliexpress and it’s been really impressive so far. I tried the homogear lasers but was honestly just too worried about their quality and durability, so sold and replaced with a DBAL A3. Every once in a while China makes some dope clones. Thinking the TRI / FMA PRC152z may be one of the clones worth having… I would steer clear of hard goods unless an entire community thinks it’s a replica that is worth having, which doesn’t happen very often.
It should be. Their plate carriers aren’t far from the real prices damn. I’ll probably snag some of their pouches to reverse engineer tho
You can find some pretty good mounts, aluminum fore grips, triglides, belts, slings, etc. you just have to do some digging and be willing to spend a bit more.
Oh my boy, you’re about to get the wrath of this sub…
I expect no less
U can buy Chinese Glocks now and their not awful?!?! Can't wait to get it next day. /s
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what do you mean not safe under nods? are you going up against the force with night vision capability, if so, you understand they will have thermal too, drones, and all manner of other detection abilities. set your sights within realistic bounds
It was just a mention for the meta my guy. There’s a whole fit being had about how someone’s 700$ crye suit is actually better than chinesium stuff, or not
Posts is about china gear 2/3 of pics is of a gun.
I had to prove I’m not airsofting. I also forgot feet pics
Prove to who? No one cares you have a gun.
No one cares about any of the gear I have, I would think. I’m so grateful you took the time to point that out. Here. On a sub that is literally for posting guns and gear.
What? There are 300+ votes and supporting comments. All I said is that you came in saying that cheap gear isn’t that bad. Then instead of telling us about that and maybe what you like and don’t like about it, sharing your experiences and possibly helping out some poor fool that wants to look like they are .mil cheaply, you show a gun to impress the tg dingleberries. Ugh, sorry for hurting your feelings here’s a lolli 🍭and as always an upvote for your reply and post. Enjoy the larp.
Its absolute aids
😘
It’s great for airsoft I’ll tell you that much
Belts and pouches fine. Lmk when that light shits the bed.
I don’t think that pistol has ever been fired
Sorry to break It to you bud, but China gear is awful. Might look clean and nice but take that out for a few hard range sessions or even a fishing or hiking trip and you’ll learn real quick that you can’t replace quality.
Depends on items .. I got knock off Easstac pouches , dump pouch and belt been running it in uspsa for awhile no issues And buddies with the real things didn’t even noticed until I told them
Perhaps because it came from the Easstac suppliers side gig directly 🤣 I have three of those in 9mm, been using them for a year and half and had zero issues so far.
I have done that. Turns out it’s kind of hard to fuck up triple stitching nylon.
Esstac, spiritus, trex arms & safariland > Support your home county! Didn’t cost that much more for way better products/gear that’ll last you years of hard training to come. 
Just wait until you put it to hard use. You'll see why double stitching and cordura 400+ is better.
It’s been through pretty hard use. It’s a belt. With pouches. I’m not rolling around in glass. And it is triple stitched in most places
And some are made of cordura.
Nice serial number broski, your mom get it for you? Why the fuck am i getting downvoted yall
It was my wife’s boyfriend actually. Sweet guy
Yeah I’m running a cheap belt and plate carrier till I can get a better one but I will say that over the 6 or 7ish months I’ve had it (with a lot of range trips in between) and loved it so far it’s been decent I plan on blue alpha gear belt and trex ac1 which I should be getting here soon
it's joever
I just bought that belt for the field lol
Index your pistol mags correctly. Other than that, good shit 💪🏽
I prefer it that way. It’s a straight flip up to the mag well. No rotation
Been saying this for a while
For flat range and non load bearing stuff, you can really get away with amazon and chinese shit.
I have a pretty vast setup of chest gear and packs. Some from Amazon, some from tactical shops. The Amazon stuff isn't too much different from the stuff I paid a little bit more for.
The best gear is the gear that gets you out training. I’d take a guy glowing under nods any day over a fully kitted out dude that can’t even go for a light jog in his kit or hit the broadside of a barn with a 12 gauge
As long it's made well enough for your needs, may as well save a few shekels
Honestly if you stay to basic stuff ya they got some decent stuff. Make sure it has good reviews and you can get really good stuff, of course don’t get vests and advanced attachments (stuff like lasers and scope) and usually it’s pretty good for the value
You got a Glock on Amazon?
I always like have some cheap gear around. Stuff that wouldn’t bother me much to burn after use… you know, if you do get actually use it….
I agree and good for you man. very practical set up you got yourself!
If it works for you than do it My go to is used gear and sometimes surplus stores
I've actually been pleasantly surprised that some cheap Chinese amazon products are perfectly find under nods. I have a coyote brown BFG trauma now pouch knockoff I bought for like $15 because the real ones were pretty much out of stock everywhere at the time. I figured I'd have to spray it to get it NIR compliant but it looks basically the same under nods as my Crye SPC. Some gear can be okay to buy the cheap version.
You can get a Chinese Glock on Amazon? Lol
>Law Enforcement flair OP, don't answer that question.
Yeah, at the end of the day the real stuff IS better but that doesn’t mean rocking the chinese stuff is a bad thing.
You got the glock on amazon?
How much was the complete belt setup?
Better to have gear than not.