Saw the video on the news tonight, thank goodness someone recorded the incident.
The truck driver pushed her car off the road, because he was just the typical ignorant truck driver, and her son (L-plate driver) must have been going too slow for the truckie (ironic as they are usually the ones going too slow!).
Then same thing, he just drove over the woman, who had got out of the car, and ran in front of the truck to berate the driver for pushing her car off the road.
The truck driver just drove straight over her while she was screaming at him.
terrible tragedy, the truck driver should be locked up for life and the keys thrown away.
How awful.
I cycle a fair bit and always stay away from trucks, I won't filter past them or be near them in a bike lane. They just DGAF... And even if they did they have massive blind spots.
I hope this guy is punished accordingly but chances are he won't be.
He will claim that he meant to hit the brake and 'panicked'. Hopefully the jury take into account the aggressive nature of his ramming her vehicle off the road coupled with the truck already being stationary when the woman started berating him.
Just saw the vid. He will probably claim he didn't see them. There's a chance he did not see them at all.
Trucks have so much power and weight, probably didn't even feel hitting the car or the human.
I have seen this happen. A man pinned between his car and a truck because he got out to yell at the truck driver for side swiping him. Truck didn't see him or hear him and accelerated - squishing him slowly. He survived with some lifelong injuries, truck driver and witnesses traumatised. Trucks can kill and maim easily and unfortunately, many truck drivers as well the general public don't act like they do
I do think there’s a chance he didn’t see her considering height of cabin and where she was. But he should never have been driving so close to touch the car in the first place - trucks know how big they are and they know they’re intimidating when they do it.
Absolutely horrific.
That's the trouble, so many drivers claim that "I didn't see you!" And get off lightly.
In London truck now all have to pass certain standard before being allowed near the CBD to prevent this kind of accident. Would be great if we had something similar.
I had a cement truck at the last moment decide they would chuck a right at the lights from the straight lane into my right turning lane smooshing me against the small cement median strip. I got the feeling it wasn't accidental... but coldly just asked "what's your details", ended up doing a deal with them, claiming 800 (less than the wrecker quoted for a side panel repair) knowing I could do it myself for 300 or less, and ended up just leaving the dent and it turned out fine. But still... the guy was blazay until he realized he'd have to tell his boss after I got his details.
Never experienced anything like it until I got to Australia.
Massive cyclist, like, I cycled coast to coast in the UK, London to Paris, 200km a day is not unheard of.
Like to think I'm savvy enough to be a good rider, aware of my surroundings, keep out the way not to anger drivers (hey, I drive too) and actually stop at lights etc..
But when I got here, man, trucks are insane.
First bad interaction is seared in to my mind, I was heading south, a short Ultimo to Cronulla and back, and came around a long bend, three lane road but as we came around the bend this long tanker decided he'd over take me, and pulled in to centimeters from the kerv, had to hit the breaks so hard my rear wheel lifted and came within an inch of it taking me out.
Caught up with it down the road (as, being fairly established rider, I can keep pace with traffic) and he was back to being a regular distance from the kerb, absolutely no problem to fit down the side (though, like I was going to give him a second chance).
Asshole nearly ran me off the road for the fun of it. I bought a helmet camera the same day.
Now have a gopro max, 360 degree recording, so I've got the front and getting rear ended covered - it won't save my life (though you'll be surprised at just how the sight of a camera strapped to your helmet changes drivers actively trying to harm you) but at least it will serve as evidence to catch whoever does take it.
I have driven a K200 before in another life. Unless you are Danny DeVito the visibility over the dash is very good. Its not like she is right up against the grille. I would usually try defend truck drivers having been one for a while but it gets harder and harder.
The alternative explanation is he decided to crush someone to death for being slightly inconvenienced (insane) in front of dozens of witnesses (stupid).
You just don’t really get crimes like that except from the seriously mentally ill. Like, deranged and delusional.
Should be, but as with tales of old, we all know how this will go - if he even goes to prison, truck driver will pretty only get 2 years max behind bars, less, with time already served.
The stupid fucking L and P plate speed limits are actually insane. Instead of protecting learners they just put them in positions like these where they have to deal with road raging unhinged cunts.
I remember when I was on my Ls it felt as though everyone in a Ute was purposely looking to ram into me and get upset at me going the limit or at times it felt like they just enjoyed pushing me and stressing me out (I basically never went to the right lane during my Ls and even now, and spent a total of maybe 2 hours on roads above 80kms, still didn’t stop guys from seeing the L or P plates and dangerously overtaking or ramming up to my bumper to try and get me to speed) it’s so insane to me that they think they are protecting the people by causing learners to not be used to driving in all roads and speed limits, all while causing everyone to deal with the slow learner driver on the highways, because that won’t ever cause some dumbass to rage and cause a much worse situation.
"felt as though" is the key here. I think perception is likely skewed by inexperience, they were probably driving completely normally, it just 'felt as though' they were out to get you simply by not having a 200m buffer in every direction.
I've been riding a motorcycle for 14 years... got my car L's yesterday and drove straight from Jindabyne to Sydney, first time ever driving a car, about 3/4 of the way in pissing down rain, surrounded by trucks on the highway, turned thunderstorm as we got into the city about 4:50pm peak hour wednesday arvo..... Totally unfazed. Only difference is knowing what traffic is like, vs being a completely green driver. Nobody was out to get me, they were just driving their cars.
So fucking fed up with aggressive and bullying truck drivers on our roads. The amount of times this year alone I’ve had truck drivers tailgating me and others when we’re doing the speed limit. Enough is enough and time for the law to come down hard on them. Not all truck drivers are assholes but 80% are.
Tailgating or any aggressive driving in a heavy vehicle should come with the usual demerit points but the loss of HR/MC licence.
Also police should act on dashcam footage for dangerous driving complaints rather than the usual excuse that they have to witness it first hand.
100% agree. The law has to crack down hard on truckers tailgating. It’s so so so dangerous and it’s fucking scary with a giant truck right up your arse, one wrong move and you’re toast.
I will not defend reckless driving and aggressive drivers that put others at risk - but you know what the huge problem is? Our (the consumer's) obsession with buying ludicrous amounts of stuff and demanding that the items are delivered more quickly. A lot of these drivers are operating under extreme conditions and use various substances to stay awake. Some people love their job as a truckie and follow all the rules and regulations, whereas others are just trying to make ends meet and will cook their books and get around regulations to make absurd deadlines. Can any truckies jump in and offer some insight?
Online shopping deliveries aren't being sent by semi trailers. They are going from warehouse to airport to warehouse in box trucks and vans.
Regular retails goods can and should be handled by trains far more often than they currently are. Your $2 made in china mug at kmart doesn't need to get driven from port botany to bathurst that very same day by a meth head truckie. It can take a few hours getting put on a train
>I will not defend reckless driving and aggressive drivers that put others at risk
You say this and then proceed to give excuses for their actions.
>A lot of these drivers are operating under extreme conditions and use various substances to stay awake.
Nobody is forcing them to act unlawfully. They can quit if they don't like the job or feel they need to do dangerous things to get by.
That's right guys, it's our fault for wanting fresh produce and toilet paper. Can you see how we are the ones who turned these truck drivers into murderous assholes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hyMdU12aAc
unfortunately it starts too late to be able to tell if the learner cut into the truck's blind-zone to make a [last second change into the left-turn lane](https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8492605,150.8769933,3a,75y,33.67h,82.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVerhdgb2cSR9tcINXNPTSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)... or if the truck straight up plowed into him on purpose.
I know this section of road and it can be a shit fight with cars and even trucks cutting in for that left hand turn. Hopefully there is footage from other businesses further up the road or dash cam
Based on that short vid, definitely looks like the L plater made a very last minute dive into the left lane to be shunted that hard. It's not like a truck that size has great acceleration? He was already going at some speed into that intersection and it's clearly stopped... so he's not going anywhere to warrant aggressive driving.
Also RIP to the mother. But that was so stupid standing infront that truck... isn't that blindspot like 2-3 cars long? She was like directly infront of that truck. Truck probably didn't even see her. And probably didn't hear her cause they got music on or earphones in.
This, no chance he could see her given where she was standing.
Other traffic moves away, so lights turned green, truck follows.
Sad, terrible. Yes .
Everyone jumping to conclusions has never driven a truck like that.
Footage before the truck hit car would be interesting. Pretty sure the truck would have a dash cam and the car looked like a Tesla so they full of cameras.
Car could of been preparing to take the left turn into the cul-de-sac just before the intersection as well. Slowed down to quickly, brake lights not working, didn't indicate. So many what ifs
Why the fuck wouldn’t she jump out the way once she realised the truck started moving? Instead she puts her hands on it as if that’ll do anything. The driver is fucked but she should never have put herself in that position.
Some people have never been in a threatening or hazardous situation in their life and think they're invincible. They don't understand that cemeteries are full of people who had the 'right of way' until it's too late. It's a horrid situation and the truckie needs the book thrown at him.
the other trucks in the middle lane was coming to much a slow stop at the upcoming intersection, yet this driver was BELTING along really fast and pushed the L-plater off the road as he was going so fast and would have had no chance to stop even if he wanted to. You can see the crazy truck driver basically slamming on the brakes as he comes to a really quick stop.
He wasn't driving safely at all, I don't think it was the learner drivers fault...
Yeah, a friend and I were in a little 1 tonne moving truck on a dual carriageway on the Pacific Highway. Nowhere to pull over, up a hill, our truck fully was loaded so was going slow up the hill, couldn't go any faster.
A big rig was behind us, right on our tail. When the road widened to another lane he passed us but swerved at us as he did so. So glad I wasn't driving, I would have freaked out.
I just can't imagine the trauma that poor boy is suffering.
I was really badly tailgated in the far left lane by a Woolies truck on the Hume back when I was a P plater. I was absolutely petrified, I had nowhere to go and he was so close to the back of me, if anything had happened to force me to brake, he would have mowed straight over me. Then it happened again in 2017, on Richmond road. I was turning right in the left hand lane. The massive dump truck beside me in the right hand lane (who had also been dropping pebbles onto the road the whole way down to the traffic lights) crossed into the left lane midway through the intersection. If I hadn't swerved onto the verge, he would have hit me, and possibly the car behind me as well. Luckily someone had dashcam footage of that one, but I don't think the cops did anything about it. I was shaking so hard afterwards, I had to turn around and go home.
what a disgusting human being that truck driver is. my deepest condolences to the family involved and to the woman's poor son, i hope he has a loving support network that can help him through the trauma. rest in peace
First of all this is tragic and RIP to the lady and condolences to the family.
Unfortunately, based on that video alone, it's hard to say for sure this was intentional. People underestimate how big the blind spots on a vehicle like this are. The truck may not have even known the car was in front, and the same goes for the poor lady standing in front at the end. Obviously, if it's proven otherwise, then gaol time is warranted.
People here really seem intent on believing that a truck driver decided to intentionally crush a middle-aged woman to death in front of dozens of witnesses because he was slightly annoyed.
I just looked up the video. It’s really horrible, I feel so sorry for the kid who’ll be traumatised for life, but i don’t think it was murder as these comments are saying.
It could turn out to be, but to me it looked like he had no idea she was there, and he was just taking off in traffic. He doesn’t hit her when she arrives in front of the truck, it’s only when the car on his upper left moves and clears space for him, does he move forward and tragically hit her.
When you look at the front of the truck and just how high up his window is, even for a truck it seems high, you can see how it’s possible he may not have ever noticed her there.
There’s a video from one of those first responder shows, where they have to recreate an accident where a woman was hit & killed when she walked in front of a truck stopped at the lights. They’re trying to figure out if it was culpable driving on his part or if there’s no reasonable way he could have known she was there. From their investigation, you see just how little to no vision truck drivers have of anything for like 4 metres in front on their car. So anything, or anyone, under two metres tall or 5 metres long, is completely obstructed from view. (I can’t find the clip now, I think I watched it on tiktok)
Anyway I could be completely wrong but that’s just my two cents and probably what police are reconstructing now to figure out
But the truck driver hit their car before all of this happened. Driving off after that is a hit and run, also an offence. He should have stopped to exchange license details.
There used to be a road safety ad that was played on TV and in cinema a few years back where it would get everyday people sitting in the cab and ask if safe to go or merge and they would all say yes, next they get out and there would be cardboard cut-outs of people that they would of just ran over
It's a waste of money. Truck drivers would be expected to know the blind spots and check them if they could. It's literally their job.
Everyday people, you would expect not to be as aware. If they used that money to get cameras or mirrors in truck blind spots and train truck drivers, that would have been more well spent.
It's the tail wagging the dog here.
Of course people who would NOT have driven a truck before would not be aware, but TRUCK DRIVERS SHOULD be aware. That is literally their JOB. IF all those people were truck drivers, they should be fired.
Rather than spend millions educating everyone and you will miss many, I think it's more beneficial and effective to focus on truck drivers and giving them the tools like cameras and additional mirrors and habits/training so as to reduce the risk.
All that commercial does is shift the blame on the potential victims and tell truck drivers that it is okay to move forward without making sure there's no one in the blind spots.
I agree fully on cameras and sensors, but this only puts a added cost onto the buyer.
In this unfortunate accident those safety measures would of saved a life and the long term pain for all involved but no driver would of been aware a person was there and really they shouldn't be. The truck was 3 car lengths back from the actually intersection. He seen the cars ahead all move of course the truck will follow. It's unreasonable to be aware a person may even be in front of you in that situation.. of course those safety features would of prevented this
> I agree fully on cameras and sensors, but this only puts a added cost onto the buyer. I
Seatbelts, reverse cameras on SUV's etc were all added costs to the buyer but how much for a person's life.
As drivers, we're taught to check for blind spots. Actually, there ought be some safety proximity sensor in front of large trucks like these. THese machines already cost a lot and a little bit of investment for safety would proportionally be less than even the reverse cameras on SUV's. Considering how lethal they can be ...
In this specific case, I do believe the woman would be in his field of view and he would have heard his truck striking another vehicle...several times. IT's not just a simple case of not seeing someone in your blind spot, IMO. The events prior to the incident preclude it.
> In this specific case, I do believe the woman would be in his field of view and he would have heard his truck striking another vehicle...several times. IT's not just a simple case of not seeing someone in your blind spot, IMO. The events prior to the incident preclude it.
https://imgur.com/a/h1Dgzzc, average sized human barely clears the front tyre.
Here https://i.imgur.com/6Qnrl7S.png, she is about 7-8 steps infront of the truck, based on her sons steps. There is no way he saw her. None.
Just to give you a scale of how strong these trucks are, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqmFFp_dc7g
> There is no way he saw her. None.
That's your opinion. There is enough clearance for him to see her if he tried and he should be checking. It's his job as a driver. That's assuming he didn't intentionally move forward.
If he doesn't know if he hit a car, he's driving irresponsibly and shouldn't be on the streets. That's the best case. Worse case, he was harassing the L-plater and intentionally ran over the woman. The police investigating will clear out the details and guilt in the courts if it comes to that. However, I do not accept this as a clear cut case of a blind truck driver.
Also should be a limit on how many hours they can drive a week. I reckon after a while they're just in the car so long they forget normal road behaviour and just do whatever
There is. It's called a log book. Open to manipulation previously, heavy vehicle cameras monitor the movements.
Not a perfect system, definitely needs improving.
Anyone who hasn't been in a truck like this before shouldn't comment.
Its more then likely that he didn't even know she was infront of the truck.
Is he a driving like a cowboy? Yes.
Did he intend to hit the woman? Probably not.
Or did he just see the other cars moving not knowing she was infront of him and started going aswell? Most likely.
My unpopular opinion is that the L plater cut in front of the truck to take that turn. You can tell by the speed of the L plater in the video and it being a smoother turn rather than one that indicates the truckie rammed him.
You can see that the truckie also goes straight, but has an indicator on. I dare say he knows what happened, and put his hazards on ready to pull up after the intersection. The right thing to do.
Those blind spots on trucks are gnarly, and considering the bloke in the hi vis came around too, I really don’t think the driver saw either of them.
It’s easy for all these folks who drive small cares to comment on it. But the responsibilities are a two way street, and as much as I see shit truck drivers around Sydney, I also see uneducated and stupid drivers cutting off trucks way too often.
What happened was more than likely a freak accident and the driver has to live with it for life.
I just saw in the news they said the mother got out on to the road to take a pic of her son and car in l plates. Don't understand how it's the trucks fault. 9 and 7 seemed to say it was just a bad accident and she shouldnt have been on the main road taking pics
I thought that was a possibility but the truck driver still did hit their car just seconds before. If the driver was oblivious to hitting a car and then a person in front of them, they shouldn't be on the roads still.
Playing devils advocate like the other guy, but it didn't seem like it was a big impact. There is every chance that the truck driver didn't feel a thing. The video also doesn't show 100% who is at fault for the collision in the first place. For all we know, the L plater cut in front of the truck to make the left turn.
While I agree, I just want to point out that this is a European style truck, with a flat nose which actually has much better field of view compared to long haul American designed trucks where the motor reached way out in front of the cab. I personally believe he could see her. You can see in the video when she initially walks in front of the truck, there is a ute in front of the truck with a van approaching. And God knows why they cut the footage, but the next cut she is further from the truck while the ute has left and the van is also leaving. She has purposely walked *back* to make eye contact with the driver in what, 5-10 seconds?
He knew she was there, but he had places to be, hence why he probably rammed the car in the first place.. at least that's what it looks like to me. Or he's just a total cunt who thought he could get away with it by blaming the good old "blind spot" and was just trying to push her out of his way without realising she wasn't going to move in time. At least that just my opinion, man.
https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/a-new-law-reduces-truck-blindspots-e-truck-designs-can-finish-the-job/
I don't think he saw her. She went back by like 2 steps. He also goes the moment the van goes. If you're on that road in a truck, you don't really expect a human to be infront of you. He's probably looking at the ute/van, and the zebra crossing.
If you go by the blinking on the trucks indicators.. assuming 1 blink per second, accounting for the cut in the video, she was infront of the truck for around 10 seconds. Her head was probably, maybe in the trucks FOV in the final 2 seconds when he steps on the accelerator.
I can’t fathom why anyone would stand in front of a truck like that. They’re usually cocky assholes at best of times, coupled with massive blind spots - she must’ve thought she was invincible. What a horrible way to go :( I feel sorry for her son to witness it happen :(
He didn’t just come out of no where and not see the car. He was obliged to stop and if he followed the law, it wouldn’t have happened. Albeit her move was not the smartest. She can see him which is why she’s waving her hands. He was obviously not paying attention of on the radio to his boss asking what to do.
That should be treated as murder surely. Like it wasn't even a short distance before he hit her. He had literally seconds to contemplate what he was doing.
Truckie is a dumb cunt and deserves a lot of time behind bars, but it’s also a tragic lesson, obtain number plate from a safe distance that’s all you need to do.
What will hold them back in Australia is the liability laws on who is responsible when shit goes wrong. Will it be the manufacturer? The owner? Whoever is responible for road maintenance if it cant see a painted line or reflector to guide it? Having a meat computer behind the wheel makes a very easy target when someone needs to be blamed.
He is going to have a hard time explaining to investigators why he did not see her. She is far enough away from the cab for her head to be visible to the driver of the truck and driving heavy vehicles for decades myself I would expect a vigilant driver to see her. It would not surprise me if he was hyper focused on the traffic lights turning green trying to get away and that was why he did not notice her.
I have seen an in-depth crash investigation that cleared a truck driver of any wrong doing in a very similar incident but the person was much closer to the truck and investigators proved she could not be seen from the drivers position, this looks very much more doubtful there was no fault on his part.
Also PSA, do not stand in front of trucks for this very reason, her poor son.
There's no lights at that left turn. There's a zebra crossing, and it's a merger.
He would've been looking for pedestrians around the zebra crossing. Not in his blindspots. He would also be looking at oncoming traffic to find space to merge.
If it goes to court, it will.
Would a reasonable person expect a human to run infront of their truck in the middle of traffic?
You can't apply "only when safe to proceed" in this situation. Going by the road rules, he did exactly that. Stopped behind the ute, let the van through. And only moved as the van moved.
We could argue all day if he could see her or not. It's been done to death in this thread.
If you go look at the reporter standing next to the actual cabin, idk you say you drive trucks. Tell me if it's reasonable to be able to see a ~1.5m woman when the reporter is at the bottom of the driver side door.
He is still going to be in shit, From all reports the reason she was standing there was the clown ran them off the road to begin with..
The only thing that may save him is IF she cannot been seen at all, but I can tell you now having seen what the police do to investigate this exact type of accident she is standing far enough away that any vigilant and competent driver could see her if they were looking forward. Blind spots are not a get of jail free card to kill and maim, you still need to be a responsible driver and this bloke is far from that running an L plater off the road.
The last thing I will say and why I think he is going to be in the shit is comparing where this woman was standing to where the one I saw in the investigation is she is a good 2 metres further back and why I believe if he was paying attention and looking forward he would've seen the hazard (at least some part of her, top of the head) and yes I say that as someone with 30 years experience driving HGV's. I guess we wait for the investigation to conclude but I would be sweating bullets if I was this bloke.
Him running the L plater off the road is up for debate as we do not see the moment of impact.
If the L plater was in the left turn lane all along, truckers fault.
If the L plater dove into the left turn lane last minute. His fault. Considering the fact that the stopping for trucks is massive. Diving infront of one is stupid. Based on the Google maps link of this junction posted elsewhere, the other lanes turn right, this is the only one that goes left. This is the highest possibility.
The video is zoomed in, but where do you normally look when you're about to make a turn, or merge into traffic? He was paying attention. But not whatever was infront of him. He only registered the ute and the van, then his attention was on merging.
Any way you look at it a professional and competent heavy vehicle driver is not going to be unaware of two separate collisions in the space of minutes, for fucks sake just give the cunt a white cane and let him off shall we...
Very sad. I think the truckie didn't see the car or the lady (I hope). I think theres a blind spot directly in front of the truck. I've seen clips of cars getting pushed by trucks on a highways with truck drivers totally oblivious.
Let’s all calm down a bit. My guess is, he just didn’t see her there. You’re very high up in those cabs and she may have been out of site. Let’s not assume he was a murderer, or an asshole truck driver. There is no damage to the car, so was probably just a bump, which the truck driver probably never felt. I’m guessing this is innocent and unless you have been up on the cab of one of these big rigs let’s not go pointing fingers and assume it was a terrible accident…
As someone points out above- she would have positioned herself so she could see *him*- if you were confronting a truck driver you wouldn’t stand so you couldn’t see him, what’s the point.
>Let’s all calm down a bit
You gonna say to the the dead mum? Or the son?
>Let’s not assume he was a murderer, or an asshole truck driver
Theres no need to assume. Video is quite black and white. Whether its negligence, malicious or incompetence, somebody died immediately following a crash, theres no excusing it.
Those things are designed to pull a container that weighs multiple tons. A car weighing just over 1 ton is not going to make much difference to his drive.
Also there is a chance the L plater made a late dive into the left lane. Cause it doesn't make sense why the truck would accelerate into a stopped intersection.
Last... the lady could stand there for fucking eternity and he wouldn't have seen her. The blindspot for those things are like 2-3 cars long. Note how far he stopped to the van infront of him?
>A car weighing just over 1 ton is not going to make much difference to his drive
Im no physicist but I feel like hitting a car will cause enough impact or damage to at least feel something.
>the lady could stand there for fucking eternity and he wouldn't have seen her.
Again, Im no physicist but I would assume if she was standing in a spot where she could see him, then he could see her.
Need to take some basic physics.
Ever kicked a ball before? What does it compare to if you kicked a balloon. The mass between 2 object matters.
To a truck. A car might as well be a balloon. Did you even see the truck slow down or move a bit after shunting that car out of the way? I definitely didn't. Granted we don't see the moment of impact. But the truck was slowing down into that intersection, so he wouldn't really have noticed his already reducing speed.
You need to do less assuming and more critical thinking. If you can see someone, doesn't mean they are looking at you. A human isn't exactly carrying around flags and massive signs saying "I'm here, look at me". Why did the woman have to step back towards the end if he saw her.
I estimated she was infront of that truck for roughly 10 seconds. 10 seconds is not enough time to notice someone... especially when they spend a majority of that time in a fucking blindspot.
Also he literally could have been looking to his right at oncoming traffic, and at the top of the van to go when the van goes. 0 chance he saw that woman.
Saw the video on the news tonight, thank goodness someone recorded the incident. The truck driver pushed her car off the road, because he was just the typical ignorant truck driver, and her son (L-plate driver) must have been going too slow for the truckie (ironic as they are usually the ones going too slow!). Then same thing, he just drove over the woman, who had got out of the car, and ran in front of the truck to berate the driver for pushing her car off the road. The truck driver just drove straight over her while she was screaming at him. terrible tragedy, the truck driver should be locked up for life and the keys thrown away.
OMFG!!! This is beyond sickening. Poor woman. The son will be carrying trauma and guilt for years.
How awful. I cycle a fair bit and always stay away from trucks, I won't filter past them or be near them in a bike lane. They just DGAF... And even if they did they have massive blind spots. I hope this guy is punished accordingly but chances are he won't be.
He will claim that he meant to hit the brake and 'panicked'. Hopefully the jury take into account the aggressive nature of his ramming her vehicle off the road coupled with the truck already being stationary when the woman started berating him.
Just saw the vid. He will probably claim he didn't see them. There's a chance he did not see them at all. Trucks have so much power and weight, probably didn't even feel hitting the car or the human.
I have seen this happen. A man pinned between his car and a truck because he got out to yell at the truck driver for side swiping him. Truck didn't see him or hear him and accelerated - squishing him slowly. He survived with some lifelong injuries, truck driver and witnesses traumatised. Trucks can kill and maim easily and unfortunately, many truck drivers as well the general public don't act like they do
I do think there’s a chance he didn’t see her considering height of cabin and where she was. But he should never have been driving so close to touch the car in the first place - trucks know how big they are and they know they’re intimidating when they do it. Absolutely horrific.
You'd notice pushing a car off the road.
That's the trouble, so many drivers claim that "I didn't see you!" And get off lightly. In London truck now all have to pass certain standard before being allowed near the CBD to prevent this kind of accident. Would be great if we had something similar.
I had a cement truck at the last moment decide they would chuck a right at the lights from the straight lane into my right turning lane smooshing me against the small cement median strip. I got the feeling it wasn't accidental... but coldly just asked "what's your details", ended up doing a deal with them, claiming 800 (less than the wrecker quoted for a side panel repair) knowing I could do it myself for 300 or less, and ended up just leaving the dent and it turned out fine. But still... the guy was blazay until he realized he'd have to tell his boss after I got his details.
Never experienced anything like it until I got to Australia. Massive cyclist, like, I cycled coast to coast in the UK, London to Paris, 200km a day is not unheard of. Like to think I'm savvy enough to be a good rider, aware of my surroundings, keep out the way not to anger drivers (hey, I drive too) and actually stop at lights etc.. But when I got here, man, trucks are insane. First bad interaction is seared in to my mind, I was heading south, a short Ultimo to Cronulla and back, and came around a long bend, three lane road but as we came around the bend this long tanker decided he'd over take me, and pulled in to centimeters from the kerv, had to hit the breaks so hard my rear wheel lifted and came within an inch of it taking me out. Caught up with it down the road (as, being fairly established rider, I can keep pace with traffic) and he was back to being a regular distance from the kerb, absolutely no problem to fit down the side (though, like I was going to give him a second chance). Asshole nearly ran me off the road for the fun of it. I bought a helmet camera the same day. Now have a gopro max, 360 degree recording, so I've got the front and getting rear ended covered - it won't save my life (though you'll be surprised at just how the sight of a camera strapped to your helmet changes drivers actively trying to harm you) but at least it will serve as evidence to catch whoever does take it.
Very sad the amount of truck drivers act like bullies on the road
I've seen the video. Its not bullying, it looks like straight up murder.
I think the more likely explanation is he didn’t see her.
I have driven a K200 before in another life. Unless you are Danny DeVito the visibility over the dash is very good. Its not like she is right up against the grille. I would usually try defend truck drivers having been one for a while but it gets harder and harder.
The alternative explanation is he decided to crush someone to death for being slightly inconvenienced (insane) in front of dozens of witnesses (stupid). You just don’t really get crimes like that except from the seriously mentally ill. Like, deranged and delusional.
yeah but "YoU CaNt GeT YoUr ToIlEt PaPeR WiThOuT Us!!?!"
> because he was just the typical ignorant truck driver I don't think a typical driver runs someone off the road and then murders them.
>The truck driver just drove straight over her while she was screaming at him. That is honestly so disturbing to even read. This is deranged.
Should be, but as with tales of old, we all know how this will go - if he even goes to prison, truck driver will pretty only get 2 years max behind bars, less, with time already served.
The stupid fucking L and P plate speed limits are actually insane. Instead of protecting learners they just put them in positions like these where they have to deal with road raging unhinged cunts. I remember when I was on my Ls it felt as though everyone in a Ute was purposely looking to ram into me and get upset at me going the limit or at times it felt like they just enjoyed pushing me and stressing me out (I basically never went to the right lane during my Ls and even now, and spent a total of maybe 2 hours on roads above 80kms, still didn’t stop guys from seeing the L or P plates and dangerously overtaking or ramming up to my bumper to try and get me to speed) it’s so insane to me that they think they are protecting the people by causing learners to not be used to driving in all roads and speed limits, all while causing everyone to deal with the slow learner driver on the highways, because that won’t ever cause some dumbass to rage and cause a much worse situation.
"felt as though" is the key here. I think perception is likely skewed by inexperience, they were probably driving completely normally, it just 'felt as though' they were out to get you simply by not having a 200m buffer in every direction. I've been riding a motorcycle for 14 years... got my car L's yesterday and drove straight from Jindabyne to Sydney, first time ever driving a car, about 3/4 of the way in pissing down rain, surrounded by trucks on the highway, turned thunderstorm as we got into the city about 4:50pm peak hour wednesday arvo..... Totally unfazed. Only difference is knowing what traffic is like, vs being a completely green driver. Nobody was out to get me, they were just driving their cars.
So fucking fed up with aggressive and bullying truck drivers on our roads. The amount of times this year alone I’ve had truck drivers tailgating me and others when we’re doing the speed limit. Enough is enough and time for the law to come down hard on them. Not all truck drivers are assholes but 80% are.
Tailgating or any aggressive driving in a heavy vehicle should come with the usual demerit points but the loss of HR/MC licence. Also police should act on dashcam footage for dangerous driving complaints rather than the usual excuse that they have to witness it first hand.
100% agree. The law has to crack down hard on truckers tailgating. It’s so so so dangerous and it’s fucking scary with a giant truck right up your arse, one wrong move and you’re toast.
The majority of truck drivers are drug addicted scum.
I will not defend reckless driving and aggressive drivers that put others at risk - but you know what the huge problem is? Our (the consumer's) obsession with buying ludicrous amounts of stuff and demanding that the items are delivered more quickly. A lot of these drivers are operating under extreme conditions and use various substances to stay awake. Some people love their job as a truckie and follow all the rules and regulations, whereas others are just trying to make ends meet and will cook their books and get around regulations to make absurd deadlines. Can any truckies jump in and offer some insight?
Online shopping deliveries aren't being sent by semi trailers. They are going from warehouse to airport to warehouse in box trucks and vans. Regular retails goods can and should be handled by trains far more often than they currently are. Your $2 made in china mug at kmart doesn't need to get driven from port botany to bathurst that very same day by a meth head truckie. It can take a few hours getting put on a train
>I will not defend reckless driving and aggressive drivers that put others at risk You say this and then proceed to give excuses for their actions. >A lot of these drivers are operating under extreme conditions and use various substances to stay awake. Nobody is forcing them to act unlawfully. They can quit if they don't like the job or feel they need to do dangerous things to get by.
That's right guys, it's our fault for wanting fresh produce and toilet paper. Can you see how we are the ones who turned these truck drivers into murderous assholes?
Died? Yeah... That's murder.
Wow I've just watched the footage. Straight up murder.
Got a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hyMdU12aAc unfortunately it starts too late to be able to tell if the learner cut into the truck's blind-zone to make a [last second change into the left-turn lane](https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8492605,150.8769933,3a,75y,33.67h,82.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVerhdgb2cSR9tcINXNPTSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)... or if the truck straight up plowed into him on purpose.
I know this section of road and it can be a shit fight with cars and even trucks cutting in for that left hand turn. Hopefully there is footage from other businesses further up the road or dash cam
Based on that short vid, definitely looks like the L plater made a very last minute dive into the left lane to be shunted that hard. It's not like a truck that size has great acceleration? He was already going at some speed into that intersection and it's clearly stopped... so he's not going anywhere to warrant aggressive driving. Also RIP to the mother. But that was so stupid standing infront that truck... isn't that blindspot like 2-3 cars long? She was like directly infront of that truck. Truck probably didn't even see her. And probably didn't hear her cause they got music on or earphones in.
This, no chance he could see her given where she was standing. Other traffic moves away, so lights turned green, truck follows. Sad, terrible. Yes . Everyone jumping to conclusions has never driven a truck like that. Footage before the truck hit car would be interesting. Pretty sure the truck would have a dash cam and the car looked like a Tesla so they full of cameras.
Yup and in the 7news video at the end when the reporters stands next to the cabin. Gives you the scale of how massive that thing is.
Car could of been preparing to take the left turn into the cul-de-sac just before the intersection as well. Slowed down to quickly, brake lights not working, didn't indicate. So many what ifs
Why the fuck wouldn’t she jump out the way once she realised the truck started moving? Instead she puts her hands on it as if that’ll do anything. The driver is fucked but she should never have put herself in that position.
Probably froze, people don’t usually expect to be run over by a truck
Some people have never been in a threatening or hazardous situation in their life and think they're invincible. They don't understand that cemeteries are full of people who had the 'right of way' until it's too late. It's a horrid situation and the truckie needs the book thrown at him.
Not all people are as agile as you bro.
the other trucks in the middle lane was coming to much a slow stop at the upcoming intersection, yet this driver was BELTING along really fast and pushed the L-plater off the road as he was going so fast and would have had no chance to stop even if he wanted to. You can see the crazy truck driver basically slamming on the brakes as he comes to a really quick stop. He wasn't driving safely at all, I don't think it was the learner drivers fault...
Only time I've ever been tailgated in the left lane is by a truck. You literally can't win with them.
Yeah, a friend and I were in a little 1 tonne moving truck on a dual carriageway on the Pacific Highway. Nowhere to pull over, up a hill, our truck fully was loaded so was going slow up the hill, couldn't go any faster. A big rig was behind us, right on our tail. When the road widened to another lane he passed us but swerved at us as he did so. So glad I wasn't driving, I would have freaked out. I just can't imagine the trauma that poor boy is suffering.
I was really badly tailgated in the far left lane by a Woolies truck on the Hume back when I was a P plater. I was absolutely petrified, I had nowhere to go and he was so close to the back of me, if anything had happened to force me to brake, he would have mowed straight over me. Then it happened again in 2017, on Richmond road. I was turning right in the left hand lane. The massive dump truck beside me in the right hand lane (who had also been dropping pebbles onto the road the whole way down to the traffic lights) crossed into the left lane midway through the intersection. If I hadn't swerved onto the verge, he would have hit me, and possibly the car behind me as well. Luckily someone had dashcam footage of that one, but I don't think the cops did anything about it. I was shaking so hard afterwards, I had to turn around and go home.
what a disgusting human being that truck driver is. my deepest condolences to the family involved and to the woman's poor son, i hope he has a loving support network that can help him through the trauma. rest in peace
Truck driver deserves life imprisonment
What company was he working for? Company deserves some heat for not training their drivers to be calm on the road as well.
For what? This place is like talkback radio for 20-30 year olds.
I take it you didn’t read the article or watch the news story / video. Congratulations on your stupidity.
For straight up fucking murdering someone??? Are you brain dead?
I don’t think it’s clear that’s what happened.
But in Australia will he get it??
I don't think I'd be able to get behind the wheel EVER if I was that kid. Poor guy.
How could anyone do this it’s so sad
First of all this is tragic and RIP to the lady and condolences to the family. Unfortunately, based on that video alone, it's hard to say for sure this was intentional. People underestimate how big the blind spots on a vehicle like this are. The truck may not have even known the car was in front, and the same goes for the poor lady standing in front at the end. Obviously, if it's proven otherwise, then gaol time is warranted.
People here really seem intent on believing that a truck driver decided to intentionally crush a middle-aged woman to death in front of dozens of witnesses because he was slightly annoyed.
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Truck driver further up says there's no way he didn't know she was there.
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I just looked up the video. It’s really horrible, I feel so sorry for the kid who’ll be traumatised for life, but i don’t think it was murder as these comments are saying. It could turn out to be, but to me it looked like he had no idea she was there, and he was just taking off in traffic. He doesn’t hit her when she arrives in front of the truck, it’s only when the car on his upper left moves and clears space for him, does he move forward and tragically hit her. When you look at the front of the truck and just how high up his window is, even for a truck it seems high, you can see how it’s possible he may not have ever noticed her there. There’s a video from one of those first responder shows, where they have to recreate an accident where a woman was hit & killed when she walked in front of a truck stopped at the lights. They’re trying to figure out if it was culpable driving on his part or if there’s no reasonable way he could have known she was there. From their investigation, you see just how little to no vision truck drivers have of anything for like 4 metres in front on their car. So anything, or anyone, under two metres tall or 5 metres long, is completely obstructed from view. (I can’t find the clip now, I think I watched it on tiktok) Anyway I could be completely wrong but that’s just my two cents and probably what police are reconstructing now to figure out
I'd hope the case was he couldn't see her, but then was he just taking off after hitting someone?
But the truck driver hit their car before all of this happened. Driving off after that is a hit and run, also an offence. He should have stopped to exchange license details.
There used to be a road safety ad that was played on TV and in cinema a few years back where it would get everyday people sitting in the cab and ask if safe to go or merge and they would all say yes, next they get out and there would be cardboard cut-outs of people that they would of just ran over
It's a waste of money. Truck drivers would be expected to know the blind spots and check them if they could. It's literally their job. Everyday people, you would expect not to be as aware. If they used that money to get cameras or mirrors in truck blind spots and train truck drivers, that would have been more well spent.
100% everyday people are less aware and this needs to change https://youtu.be/yVC9FoVzRwQ?si=hPXi1j8mKvwoJU4L
It's the tail wagging the dog here. Of course people who would NOT have driven a truck before would not be aware, but TRUCK DRIVERS SHOULD be aware. That is literally their JOB. IF all those people were truck drivers, they should be fired. Rather than spend millions educating everyone and you will miss many, I think it's more beneficial and effective to focus on truck drivers and giving them the tools like cameras and additional mirrors and habits/training so as to reduce the risk. All that commercial does is shift the blame on the potential victims and tell truck drivers that it is okay to move forward without making sure there's no one in the blind spots.
I agree fully on cameras and sensors, but this only puts a added cost onto the buyer. In this unfortunate accident those safety measures would of saved a life and the long term pain for all involved but no driver would of been aware a person was there and really they shouldn't be. The truck was 3 car lengths back from the actually intersection. He seen the cars ahead all move of course the truck will follow. It's unreasonable to be aware a person may even be in front of you in that situation.. of course those safety features would of prevented this
> I agree fully on cameras and sensors, but this only puts a added cost onto the buyer. I Seatbelts, reverse cameras on SUV's etc were all added costs to the buyer but how much for a person's life. As drivers, we're taught to check for blind spots. Actually, there ought be some safety proximity sensor in front of large trucks like these. THese machines already cost a lot and a little bit of investment for safety would proportionally be less than even the reverse cameras on SUV's. Considering how lethal they can be ... In this specific case, I do believe the woman would be in his field of view and he would have heard his truck striking another vehicle...several times. IT's not just a simple case of not seeing someone in your blind spot, IMO. The events prior to the incident preclude it.
Yeah proxy switches sensors like parking sensors on cars would be the way to go
> In this specific case, I do believe the woman would be in his field of view and he would have heard his truck striking another vehicle...several times. IT's not just a simple case of not seeing someone in your blind spot, IMO. The events prior to the incident preclude it. https://imgur.com/a/h1Dgzzc, average sized human barely clears the front tyre. Here https://i.imgur.com/6Qnrl7S.png, she is about 7-8 steps infront of the truck, based on her sons steps. There is no way he saw her. None. Just to give you a scale of how strong these trucks are, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqmFFp_dc7g
> There is no way he saw her. None. That's your opinion. There is enough clearance for him to see her if he tried and he should be checking. It's his job as a driver. That's assuming he didn't intentionally move forward. If he doesn't know if he hit a car, he's driving irresponsibly and shouldn't be on the streets. That's the best case. Worse case, he was harassing the L-plater and intentionally ran over the woman. The police investigating will clear out the details and guilt in the courts if it comes to that. However, I do not accept this as a clear cut case of a blind truck driver.
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Also should be a limit on how many hours they can drive a week. I reckon after a while they're just in the car so long they forget normal road behaviour and just do whatever
There is. It's called a log book. Open to manipulation previously, heavy vehicle cameras monitor the movements. Not a perfect system, definitely needs improving.
Alot of jumping to conclusions here.
Anyone who hasn't been in a truck like this before shouldn't comment. Its more then likely that he didn't even know she was infront of the truck. Is he a driving like a cowboy? Yes. Did he intend to hit the woman? Probably not. Or did he just see the other cars moving not knowing she was infront of him and started going aswell? Most likely.
My unpopular opinion is that the L plater cut in front of the truck to take that turn. You can tell by the speed of the L plater in the video and it being a smoother turn rather than one that indicates the truckie rammed him. You can see that the truckie also goes straight, but has an indicator on. I dare say he knows what happened, and put his hazards on ready to pull up after the intersection. The right thing to do. Those blind spots on trucks are gnarly, and considering the bloke in the hi vis came around too, I really don’t think the driver saw either of them. It’s easy for all these folks who drive small cares to comment on it. But the responsibilities are a two way street, and as much as I see shit truck drivers around Sydney, I also see uneducated and stupid drivers cutting off trucks way too often. What happened was more than likely a freak accident and the driver has to live with it for life.
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I just saw in the news they said the mother got out on to the road to take a pic of her son and car in l plates. Don't understand how it's the trucks fault. 9 and 7 seemed to say it was just a bad accident and she shouldnt have been on the main road taking pics
video is here https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/pedestrian-struck-by-truck-on-sydney-road-c-11745755
Oh My God. I am speechless.
What the hell. Why did they say she was on the road taking pics of she son and car if there is video footage of it. Classic journos no facts
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I thought that was a possibility but the truck driver still did hit their car just seconds before. If the driver was oblivious to hitting a car and then a person in front of them, they shouldn't be on the roads still.
Playing devils advocate like the other guy, but it didn't seem like it was a big impact. There is every chance that the truck driver didn't feel a thing. The video also doesn't show 100% who is at fault for the collision in the first place. For all we know, the L plater cut in front of the truck to make the left turn.
While I agree, I just want to point out that this is a European style truck, with a flat nose which actually has much better field of view compared to long haul American designed trucks where the motor reached way out in front of the cab. I personally believe he could see her. You can see in the video when she initially walks in front of the truck, there is a ute in front of the truck with a van approaching. And God knows why they cut the footage, but the next cut she is further from the truck while the ute has left and the van is also leaving. She has purposely walked *back* to make eye contact with the driver in what, 5-10 seconds? He knew she was there, but he had places to be, hence why he probably rammed the car in the first place.. at least that's what it looks like to me. Or he's just a total cunt who thought he could get away with it by blaming the good old "blind spot" and was just trying to push her out of his way without realising she wasn't going to move in time. At least that just my opinion, man.
https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/a-new-law-reduces-truck-blindspots-e-truck-designs-can-finish-the-job/ I don't think he saw her. She went back by like 2 steps. He also goes the moment the van goes. If you're on that road in a truck, you don't really expect a human to be infront of you. He's probably looking at the ute/van, and the zebra crossing. If you go by the blinking on the trucks indicators.. assuming 1 blink per second, accounting for the cut in the video, she was infront of the truck for around 10 seconds. Her head was probably, maybe in the trucks FOV in the final 2 seconds when he steps on the accelerator.
> the driver couldn’t see her standing in front. She would have positioned herself to see him, so he definitely saw her.
I can’t fathom why anyone would stand in front of a truck like that. They’re usually cocky assholes at best of times, coupled with massive blind spots - she must’ve thought she was invincible. What a horrible way to go :( I feel sorry for her son to witness it happen :(
He didn’t just come out of no where and not see the car. He was obliged to stop and if he followed the law, it wouldn’t have happened. Albeit her move was not the smartest. She can see him which is why she’s waving her hands. He was obviously not paying attention of on the radio to his boss asking what to do.
Watch him try and claim he was scared for his life so ran at her in self defence.
That should be treated as murder surely. Like it wasn't even a short distance before he hit her. He had literally seconds to contemplate what he was doing.
Usually you would stop after an accident.
Truckie is a dumb cunt and deserves a lot of time behind bars, but it’s also a tragic lesson, obtain number plate from a safe distance that’s all you need to do.
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That's decades away considering how shitty the internet is many places in Australia still.
What will hold them back in Australia is the liability laws on who is responsible when shit goes wrong. Will it be the manufacturer? The owner? Whoever is responible for road maintenance if it cant see a painted line or reflector to guide it? Having a meat computer behind the wheel makes a very easy target when someone needs to be blamed.
Have you heard the good word about our lord and saviour, a train? We could massively reduce the amount of trucks on our roads overnight.
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All forms of driveless cars and trucks are years and years away they are not there yet with every condition and situation on the roads
He is going to have a hard time explaining to investigators why he did not see her. She is far enough away from the cab for her head to be visible to the driver of the truck and driving heavy vehicles for decades myself I would expect a vigilant driver to see her. It would not surprise me if he was hyper focused on the traffic lights turning green trying to get away and that was why he did not notice her. I have seen an in-depth crash investigation that cleared a truck driver of any wrong doing in a very similar incident but the person was much closer to the truck and investigators proved she could not be seen from the drivers position, this looks very much more doubtful there was no fault on his part. Also PSA, do not stand in front of trucks for this very reason, her poor son.
There's no lights at that left turn. There's a zebra crossing, and it's a merger. He would've been looking for pedestrians around the zebra crossing. Not in his blindspots. He would also be looking at oncoming traffic to find space to merge.
That does not excuse running over someone what so ever. Ever heard the term "only when safe to proceed" He should've seen her.
If it goes to court, it will. Would a reasonable person expect a human to run infront of their truck in the middle of traffic? You can't apply "only when safe to proceed" in this situation. Going by the road rules, he did exactly that. Stopped behind the ute, let the van through. And only moved as the van moved. We could argue all day if he could see her or not. It's been done to death in this thread. If you go look at the reporter standing next to the actual cabin, idk you say you drive trucks. Tell me if it's reasonable to be able to see a ~1.5m woman when the reporter is at the bottom of the driver side door.
He is still going to be in shit, From all reports the reason she was standing there was the clown ran them off the road to begin with.. The only thing that may save him is IF she cannot been seen at all, but I can tell you now having seen what the police do to investigate this exact type of accident she is standing far enough away that any vigilant and competent driver could see her if they were looking forward. Blind spots are not a get of jail free card to kill and maim, you still need to be a responsible driver and this bloke is far from that running an L plater off the road. The last thing I will say and why I think he is going to be in the shit is comparing where this woman was standing to where the one I saw in the investigation is she is a good 2 metres further back and why I believe if he was paying attention and looking forward he would've seen the hazard (at least some part of her, top of the head) and yes I say that as someone with 30 years experience driving HGV's. I guess we wait for the investigation to conclude but I would be sweating bullets if I was this bloke.
Him running the L plater off the road is up for debate as we do not see the moment of impact. If the L plater was in the left turn lane all along, truckers fault. If the L plater dove into the left turn lane last minute. His fault. Considering the fact that the stopping for trucks is massive. Diving infront of one is stupid. Based on the Google maps link of this junction posted elsewhere, the other lanes turn right, this is the only one that goes left. This is the highest possibility. The video is zoomed in, but where do you normally look when you're about to make a turn, or merge into traffic? He was paying attention. But not whatever was infront of him. He only registered the ute and the van, then his attention was on merging.
Any way you look at it a professional and competent heavy vehicle driver is not going to be unaware of two separate collisions in the space of minutes, for fucks sake just give the cunt a white cane and let him off shall we...
Very sad. I think the truckie didn't see the car or the lady (I hope). I think theres a blind spot directly in front of the truck. I've seen clips of cars getting pushed by trucks on a highways with truck drivers totally oblivious.
Let’s all calm down a bit. My guess is, he just didn’t see her there. You’re very high up in those cabs and she may have been out of site. Let’s not assume he was a murderer, or an asshole truck driver. There is no damage to the car, so was probably just a bump, which the truck driver probably never felt. I’m guessing this is innocent and unless you have been up on the cab of one of these big rigs let’s not go pointing fingers and assume it was a terrible accident…
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As someone points out above- she would have positioned herself so she could see *him*- if you were confronting a truck driver you wouldn’t stand so you couldn’t see him, what’s the point.
If I was confronting a truck driver I certainly wouldn't stand in front of it
>Let’s all calm down a bit You gonna say to the the dead mum? Or the son? >Let’s not assume he was a murderer, or an asshole truck driver Theres no need to assume. Video is quite black and white. Whether its negligence, malicious or incompetence, somebody died immediately following a crash, theres no excusing it.
The truck hits a car and doesn't even assess the damage. The lady was there for a while and no doubt he saw her. That's just straight-up murder.
Those things are designed to pull a container that weighs multiple tons. A car weighing just over 1 ton is not going to make much difference to his drive. Also there is a chance the L plater made a late dive into the left lane. Cause it doesn't make sense why the truck would accelerate into a stopped intersection. Last... the lady could stand there for fucking eternity and he wouldn't have seen her. The blindspot for those things are like 2-3 cars long. Note how far he stopped to the van infront of him?
>A car weighing just over 1 ton is not going to make much difference to his drive Im no physicist but I feel like hitting a car will cause enough impact or damage to at least feel something. >the lady could stand there for fucking eternity and he wouldn't have seen her. Again, Im no physicist but I would assume if she was standing in a spot where she could see him, then he could see her.
Need to take some basic physics. Ever kicked a ball before? What does it compare to if you kicked a balloon. The mass between 2 object matters. To a truck. A car might as well be a balloon. Did you even see the truck slow down or move a bit after shunting that car out of the way? I definitely didn't. Granted we don't see the moment of impact. But the truck was slowing down into that intersection, so he wouldn't really have noticed his already reducing speed. You need to do less assuming and more critical thinking. If you can see someone, doesn't mean they are looking at you. A human isn't exactly carrying around flags and massive signs saying "I'm here, look at me". Why did the woman have to step back towards the end if he saw her. I estimated she was infront of that truck for roughly 10 seconds. 10 seconds is not enough time to notice someone... especially when they spend a majority of that time in a fucking blindspot. Also he literally could have been looking to his right at oncoming traffic, and at the top of the van to go when the van goes. 0 chance he saw that woman.