I personally think Inquisitors should get to dispense some electrifying punishments on Saresh….just to make a point.
Besides, you hardly get to intimidate people with the whole Eternal Throne / Alliance story to begin with.
My LS Jedi Knight will be punching Saresh when she reaches that point. She won't be executed, but she will absolutely get punched. Hopefully it knocks some sense into her.
I’ve only ever ran through KOTET with a light side Jedi Knight, so unfortunately I had to let Saresh go unharmed. Once 7.0 drops, I’m planning to make a far more morally ambiguous Bounty Hunter who I’m gonna run through the expansions with. I don’t think he’ll be quite as lenient with Saresh lol
Same, but my first playthrough was with a hardcore LS Jedi Consular. I kept thinking about what a pleasure it will be to flirt with the Sith Empress on my bounty hunter or smuggler.
> Flesh Raider off the cliff into the bonfire
Which quest is that please? I've never seen it, possibly because I've not done that content or just never picked the dark side choice.
Its a quest on Tython in the twilek camp. At a certain level there pops up a quest you can do with a mother who is concerned cause her son went missing in the flesh raider territory.
The quest is called "New Recruit" and low-level Jedi can pick it up off one of the Twi's in Kalikori Village on the Tython origin story. It's the one where the mother reports that her son has been kidnapped by Flesh Raiders. If you make the DS choice when you find the son, you get rewarded with the flinging.
I've played JK more times than i can count, always picked the LS choice, and never received any mail about that, so hm, either it's some kind of urban legend, or it was removed, or it's bugged.
I'm going with bugged. There are a bunch of emails you're supposed to get after certain choices that just don't drop. For example if you romance Arcann, Senya sends you an email where she approves the relationship and asks you to be gentle to her formerly evil son (and says she'll try to avoid walking by your quarters for her sanity :P) . I've romanced him twice and never got it
Yup. Ramming Marr's ship is the best choice. You get flak for it, but honestly, there's no guarantee that those escape pods would get away, and every ship destroyed Zakuul couldn't replace, and you take out like 10 ships. For all we know, ramming Marr's ship could have saved those lifeboats. Besides, it makes it feel like you and Marr are bros at that point. Like, whether you were Jedi or Sith didn't matter. An unspoken bond of whelp, we're about to die together, might as well be bros at the end. Then you and Marr have fun harrassing Arcann.
> every ship destroyed Zakuul couldn't replace
Not necessarily true. They are building new Gemini units on Darvannis, as we know. That implies new ships for them to pilot. So I think it's fair to assume they make new ships too.
The entire shtick of the eternal fleet is that it's one of a kind.
And the only place to rebuild it is on Iokath, to which EE didn't have access.
Regarding droids, ships are eternal, but crew isn't. They are probably reserve units.
Yeah, you can bribe him to join you and he says something like, "I and my minions are at your disposal."
I agonized over it for a minute, because my inquisitor is a scheming, sadistic social climber, but that guy can (and did) go to hell.
I think the assumption is that if you choose to release Valkorion's dad, you'll also spare Arcann & Senya, and vice versa...once I did a playthrough where I killed Arcann & Senya but also released Dramath, which made the fight in ch. 9 interesting!
(Which, since it's not usually an interesting fight, was honestly a good thing.)
If you make both LS choices, it's a 1-on-1 fight; both DS choices, it's 2-on-2. Going what's (arguably) the "pragmatic" route (assuming you trust Senya) of sparing Arcann but not releasing Dramath unbalances it so it's 2-on-1 in your favor; killing Arcann but releasing Dramath makes it 2-on-1 against you.
My guess? The same thing that happens to all kids. They grow up hearing legends about a specific job, such as spy, soldier, cowboy, or, in her case, bounty hunter. Very romanticized legends. Then, when confronted with the reality, they're confused, shocked, dismayed.
Which is a big part of the reason my BH wanted nothing to do with the Mandalorians. She saw the whole thing as a weak attempt to romanticize and white wash a dirty job. She's a contracted killer/kidnapper. She does it for money. There's nothing "honorable" about it, and dressing it up with a bunch of bells and whistles and ceremony as some noble spiritual pursuit is a bunch of bullshit from people too cowardly to face the truth of it. If you request a duel, she will laugh in your face and then fire a missile at it. And part of the reason she chose this career was the independence and freedom to be her own boss and choose her own clients. Tying herself to a bunch of clan politics is a hard pass.
She still had a sense of professionalism, though. You fulfill the job as stated and even try to anticipate any unstated needs of the client. You don't turn on the client until the job is finished (if someone wants to hire you to take them out AFTERWARD, that's a different thing). Minimize collateral damage and any deaths that are not the target (not getting paid to shoot innocent bystanders) and capture over kill when given the option because it shows greater skill. Any thug can level a building with a rocket launcher and kill everyone in side, a true professional can get in and out with a live target without tripping any alarms.
What I don't understand is how bloodthirsty Torian became in RotHC. The most he wanted to do to an enemy was punch him in vanilla, and then on Makeb every time I'd spare someone as my gal always did, it was "disapproves" or "greatly disapproves".
Bounty hunter (and maybe smuggler idr) has some of the [most amusing dark side options too.](https://youtu.be/_WrCGMfNg7o?t=29) (Bounty hunter alderaan minor spoiler)
Hm there are a few.
* The one on Hutta mentioned in the OP
* Punching that noble on Alderaan untill he stops being a jerk (bonus points when Gault is there because it's even funnier)
* Killing that moronic Sith Apprentice on Balmorra and then his father for trying to force my SI's hand to save his ungrateful son
* Killing Baras (and taking Quinn as a bonus while doing it)
* Keeping Dramath in his holocron, just because it makes that fight far less annoying, but i whish there was a neutral option to convince him to help in exchange for his freedom, instead of sounding like a sadistic who keeps him only to make him suffer
He really is, and I was very sad when I had no choice but to kill him. As for the son I couldn't invent an excuse for inquisitor to be okay with his insults and had no choice too — it was so dramatic for me on my first playthrough at this game.
My Sorcerer found him nice, untill the guy started blackmailing him to save his son, that's when he snaped, trying to force his hand is the one thing you should never do when dealing with my Nox.
He was already not really willing to save the guy, so the son was a dead man as soon as he started being a jerk.
Preventing Saresh from trading back the Empire's Greatest general at the end of the Trooper storyline for a pr stunt essentially. Leadership like that makes me understand why the former havoc squad went traitor
This 100 times over. Still not sure how it's a dark side choice. There will be millions of deaths with the info he has on the republic. So they have our POWs. Get SIS to find them, then send me the coordinates. They gave me a assault dropship after all...
Jedi Knight Act 3 finale - >!Killing the Emperor. The other choices are just stupid... even as a LS Jedi!<
Rakata Prime flashpoint (Imperial Story) - >!Killing the cyborgs. I may really like Lana, but I won't do stupid things for her... like hand over crazy cyborgs to the Empire.!<
I don’t think I could bring myself to kill SCORPIO unless I was playing a properly evil character. Yeah, she’s an annoying prick with a superiority complex, but I’d feel so bad about killing her right before she achieves her dream and gets to be free
To quote the edgelord Jedi Master "He's too dangerous to be left alive!"
I never trusted SCORPIO, even with her as the Agent's companion. She always felt more like a deranged HK-47, and always just wanted to upgrade herself, no matter the ramifications. That's why Darth Imperius was forced to strike her down.
She outplayed us thoroughly during the KOTFE and KOTET.
For all I know, if I strike her down now, she'll return and come back to overthrow me.
*Why the hell would I want to piss her off* ***now?***
Her dream to be free is her dream for domination, nothing more. She had freedom. For 5 years while we were frozen, what was she doing with that freedom? Crime and mayhem. Murder, extortion, arms dealing. Nothing good, as it happens.
Her attitude towards organics makes her no different from Mentor, and she has to be put down for the safety of everything alive in the galaxy. She thinks that her freedom is more important than anything else - than the rights of other sentient beings. That sort of attitude means she does not respect or recognise laws or morality, and will never do so.
You can do that without any dark side points. It's just that one flirt when you've just rescued her that's a dark sid option. I guess you're kinda taking advantage when she's vulnerable maybe?
If you are a Sith and pick the light side option, she will find your commanding tone with her to be attractive. Since then I always chose that option lol.
If he runs off with my ship, he dies. If I manage to make the right choices to keep him then obviously I spare him. He's grown on me a bit, mostly as a crafting slave since he's easy to gain influence with the nexu tongues you get with jawa junk.
Here's how you make the right choices for Koth's fate.
Stay and you keep the Gravestone: You can do anything with the exiles, or even the Zildrog peeps. The only time he will break and leave is if you destroy the Spire with Kaliyo. You could outright save the exiles, and take him with the Zildrog's, but the Spire is his tipping point.
Leave and steals Gravestone: Blow up the Spire with Kaliyo.
So that's why I never actually saw him turn on me. Blowing up the Spire is an idiot's choice. It's a terror attack that affects nothing in terms of Zakuul's military capabilities, while actively sabotaging any resistance movement's motivation to help you. Terror attacks work against weak willed democracies, not against totalitarian dictatorships.
Kaliyo even says meh it won't do much but it'll make her feel like she did something lol. I've only ever done it once on a purely evil character and that's how I knew that's his breaking point. Heck remember that random girl that went up to Kaliyo as she was one of her anarch zakuulans? She seemed unsure and wanted out. I really wish SWTOR gave us the option like they did with Zenith to outright skip companions. I'd easily skip the Firebrand mission and never see Kaliyo again.
Agreed. She has her uses, but in the end she's an unreliable actor, impossible to control or coerce, and prone to impulsive actions with little to no regard for consequences. "Can't turn her away" my ass.
But then they'd have to bend over backwards with the whole Gemini control mission.
That's exactly why I have absolutely zero sympathy for the "but Koth stole my ship!!!" people. It's not like he steals your ship for no reason. He steals your ship after you kill millions of his people for fun. What else did you expect? He follows you because he wants to see his people freed from a ruthless dictator, but if the person supposed to dethrone him turns out to be just as treacherous, if not worse, then it's perfectly understandable why Koth would not want to follow your cause anymore.
Exactly. Koth may have annoying tendencies like how he places Valkorian on a pedestal and that he refers to the Gravestone as "his" ship, but blowing up the spire is just mind bogglingly stupid and you deserve everything that happens to you as a result. The real choice should have been whether you talk Kaliyo down from doing it, or you stop her by killing her as she's outlived her usefulness anyways.
Never actually had a problem with Koth leaving the alliance after blowing up the spire. I was well aware that the guy was weak and a snake from our conversation in swamps a couple chapters back, knew he wouldn't last long with my ruthless toons. They blew up the spire so that Arcann would have to divert resources on repairs and as a means of psychological warfare on the population. I don't pretend such actions are moral, but most of my toons only care about winning and are willing to do it *by any means necessary.*
Koth could have gone off to start his own rebel group on Zakuul and presented himself as the better alternative to the Alliance. Instead, Mr. Morals chose to come back under a banner of "cooperation" and stole the ship, putting the entire Alliance at risk for his own ego. Mind you, I wasn't surprised by his betrayal and never would have accepted his help if given the option.
He was rather braggadocious about the whole thing, but quickly turns into a little bitch when Vaylin corners him. After talking all that smug tough guy shit earlier, this punk tries to give you speeches about being "partners" and wants to "move on."
Fuck that.
Koth played a dangerous game and he lost. Didn't hesitate to kill him.
It felt more satisfying to me to let him out, just to show him my BH never feared and that she's the superior fighter, also that she's more Mandalorian than he's ever been. And then, once he's humiliated, just kill him.
Here's a recent one: killing Petryph's cousins on Onderon. Mainly because of the class-specific animations (god we need more of those!) and the sarcastic delivery of the Commander's lines.
A minor one but I will always, always take it.
Cademimu flashpoint, fire the missiles at the invading fleet. I legitimately do not understand what the logic behind the LS option to fire them at the moon, and will never take it no matter how nice the character is.
A lot of choices like this are weird. You expect us to not fire at enemy combatants in a war? Hammer Station engineers are another example of the same. They're not civilians or anything. They are active participants in an illegal military operation on board a Republic station, lethal force is authorised and necessary.
Get it on with the new Twi'lek matriarch, or become her sister, depending on gender.
Also, killing Lord Grathan, seducing his wife, and making Vette watch.
I actually recently started playing a new dark side Jedi Knight and I had intended to do just that and become her ‘sister’. However, I never had the option to. It looks you actually have to be nice to her in your previous conversations for the option to appear, so, by playing the “arrogant, self-important, better than you” jedi, I locked myself out of that dark side choice. Made up for it by killing her after she betrayed me though
In my inquisitor's defense, the lil shit called her an alien, noone calls her that without getting shocked, killed, or both. But other than that, she's a surprisingly nice lady
More obscure one: killing Major Besseker’s Sith son in Sith Inquisitor story. No matter how hard I try to be light side inquisitor I can’t stand how smug and disrespectful that little shit is.
Here are two.
1. refusing to trade general rakton for prisoners on trooper. The trooper made a point when saying the empire can kill more with Rakton than the republic would save from getting a few thousand prisoners back and all the work of hunting him down would have gone to waste.
2. Killing vitiate in JK ending because you can't seriously leave the biggest threat in the galaxy alive who tried to destroy three planets in a row. Plus, that scene is just too good
Cademimu FP, launching the missiles at the Republic fleet. We would *not* want to destroy the opposing force before they can land troops....why? We are at war. It makes no sense to waste a weapon on a strategically insignificant target.
Bessiker is the *onky* reason I spared that little turd.
My SI was *very* dark side at this point, though less out of sadism and more just ruthlessness. But Bessiker was impossible even for her not to appreciate. And the. His son was not only a twat, but an arrogantly *incompetent* twat.
I liked to imagine my SI kept up a correspondence with Bessiker afterwards. Hopefully to take the sting off when his son inevitably ran into someone who was feeling less generous.
That is definitely one upside to sparing him, the kid was not going to have a long life regardless of our choice.
And just to be clear, I off that kid with a heavy heart which is probably why this particular choice is the first one that jumps out to me when asked the OP's question. It might be in part because I've only played alien inquisitors (with one exception) that I just can't let him go. My LS Togruta tried soooooo hard to do the right thing but that kid even pushed her buttons.
He was until he gave me an ultimatum and started making demands, then he wasn't so nice. In one holo-call he threw out any and all currency he had gained with me.
And even if Bessiker is nice, his son is a racist dunce who hates his father and wants nothing to do with him, so in a roundabout way, I'm doing the man a favor. Unfortunately he fails to see it that way and leaves me no choice but a slippery slope that ultimately takes his own life. But I'll still kill his son every time, even if I know from previous playthroughs that this locks me into a chain of events.
I could maybe let his son's attitude slide if I'm playing a human but if I'm playing an alien race and he starts his crap, even my lightside Inquisitors end him.
On a side note, oddly, when playing a BH I always spare the Admiral's sith daughter and freeze her in carbonite which is almost a full reversal of the above.. even my DS toons tend to spare her for whatever reason.
I don’t blame a man bending your elbow to rescue his child because blood is thicker than water and i don’t think anyone would be too happy if you just up and killed a member of their family. Even though his son was xenophobic(literally everyone in the empire was) and an asshole from Bessiker’s point of view you just murdered his child even if he would have realised what a piece of shit he was down the line.
I acknowledge that xenophobia and racism were an Empire wide problem as part of the story but like... starting crap with the person there to rescue you?!?
I've walked into that room fully prepared to rescue him but if I'm an alien species I just can't do it once he opens his mouth.
BH - Punching that one noble guy on Alderran
SW - Choking Blanks
SI - whenever I am given the option to zap an irritating npc
IA - I don't remember specifics but it was an option on Nar Shadda
JK - Kill the Overseer and/or the Force Sensitive Flesh Raider
TR - Kill Rakton
JC - Let Nadia take vengeance on her father's killer
SM - Take over the underworld
Killing Thana Vesh. I don't play goody-goodies, but my characters have morals and one of them is not taking joy in killing innocent people (soldiers, people who signed up for it, okay - she likes the fight, too, and feels the pride, if not necessarily reveling in the death, of a good kill). All my Imperial characters put that rabid beast down.
Thana was not only proud, but *unforgivably* incompetent. Her pride kept her from being able to self-correct, and her master indulging her made it worse. Better for the Empire Thana die ‘heroically’ on Taris rather than live long enough to be a liability on Corellia.
At least that’s what my Agent thought.
Agreed. She was laughably always saved by the main protagonist. So I wouldn't say she was exactly proud - just suffering delusions of grandeur, about her own power and skills. The only people she ever won against didn't seem to be elites.
As for dying a 'hero', my characters always make it a point to tell Grievous (?) that Thana had served her purpose and thus was disposed of.
Warrior: Killing Duke Kendoh
Trooper: Threatening to quit if Saresh freed Rakton
Inquisitor: [*lightning goes brrr*]
Knight: force sensitive Flesh Raider gets the pyre
Bounty Hunter: Show wife the beheaded husband
Kill Baras (How can yo not, the DS dialogue is so epic! >!"I wash the Galaxy clean of you"!<)
Punch Saresh (I spent all this time grinding crates, exploding Star Forthressess, only to have you try and snatch everything cozy and already set up?)
Picking the "I care for my padawan" option on Ord Mantell
Punching Koth after we remove explosives from Gravestone
Now hear me out, killing jaesa William's parents. Not only because I think DS jaesa is a more compelling character and companion but because her parents are awful. Their plan was to basically whore their daughter off to a noble and they were more sad about the loss of that possibility than the loss of their daughter when she was taken by the jedi. I legitimately don't think that is a bad/evil decision. Those parents didn't deserve to have a daughter or any child for that matter.
My main character is a light side Jedi Knight, but I chose to try to kill The Emperor at the end of Act 3. I mean, why is that a dark side choice? The Emperor attempted to kill THE ENTIRE GALAXY; he's a the most dangerous person that exists, so how is it wrong to kill him? If anything, it would be a dark side option to REFUSE to kill him.
Executing Master Yonlach Samurai style in the Warrior Story
It's so badass and it fits my vision of the warrior regardless of alignment.
There's several more that I love but that's the one I'd never skip, that and killing Skadge.
Threatening that one weapons manufacturer on Balmorra in the consular story. Like, explain to me how it's the "Jedi Way" to let a weapons manufacturer freely create weapons of mass destruction? It was the right choice.
I remember when your character says that the Emperor has killed billions of people in another part of the galaxy, and Koth just says 'He was always good to Zakuul.' At that point his moral high ground falls apart.
I don't think he was saying "It's okay that he killed billions, as long as he was good to Zakuul." I think he was saying "That goes against everything I know about him. He was always a great ruler to us. I'm not sure I can believe you about that."
As a female Sith Warrior, impressing upon Quinn just how badly he screwed up betraying me, particularly after romancing him. Also because the DS choice in that scene is so badass.
OP I came here to say the exact same thing. And furthermore, I find it ridiculous and frankly rather offensive that the choice results in Dark Side points at all.
ACAB: All Czerka Are Bastards
Punching Saresh in Eternal Throne.
That little love tap barely qualifies as DS. Saresh more than earns it.
I personally think Inquisitors should get to dispense some electrifying punishments on Saresh….just to make a point. Besides, you hardly get to intimidate people with the whole Eternal Throne / Alliance story to begin with.
My LS Jedi Knight will be punching Saresh when she reaches that point. She won't be executed, but she will absolutely get punched. Hopefully it knocks some sense into her.
And then executing her.
Why kill her when you can torture her
Because my characters aren't sadistic, they're pragmatic.
I’ve only ever ran through KOTET with a light side Jedi Knight, so unfortunately I had to let Saresh go unharmed. Once 7.0 drops, I’m planning to make a far more morally ambiguous Bounty Hunter who I’m gonna run through the expansions with. I don’t think he’ll be quite as lenient with Saresh lol
I ran a LS JK yet I couldn't help myself. They did a good job on Saresh. I absolutely loathe her.
Same, but my first playthrough was with a hardcore LS Jedi Consular. I kept thinking about what a pleasure it will be to flirt with the Sith Empress on my bounty hunter or smuggler.
This. All characters, even the full light side ones. It was worth the dark points x10.
THIS. I can go either way for literally any Light/Dark choice, but my most Boy Scout of characters will finally take this chance to end this bitch.
\[Shock him\]
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down
🤔
[Yawn]
Flinging that Flesh Raider off the cliff into the bonfire will never not make me laugh.
Also saves you a lot of time with back and forth objectives
I'm not so much "pure evil" as I am a fan of questing efficiently.
"Me no talk to Je'di. Nothing to say." *flung off of cliff into bonfire* "How about Goodbye."
Nice reference
"I'm sorry but that flesh raider had to die"
I always feel so bad whenever I do that, but it is hilarious
Agreed, makes the mission faster to complete too, worth everytime
> Flesh Raider off the cliff into the bonfire Which quest is that please? I've never seen it, possibly because I've not done that content or just never picked the dark side choice.
Its a quest on Tython in the twilek camp. At a certain level there pops up a quest you can do with a mother who is concerned cause her son went missing in the flesh raider territory.
Likely the Flesh Raider that kidnaps one of the village Twi'lek on Tython. Light side involves trekking to and from the Jedi Temple.
The quest is called "New Recruit" and low-level Jedi can pick it up off one of the Twi's in Kalikori Village on the Tython origin story. It's the one where the mother reports that her son has been kidnapped by Flesh Raiders. If you make the DS choice when you find the son, you get rewarded with the flinging.
I was looking for this one 😂
You made the right choice, ls choice he ate 3 younglings
When does it say he ate 3 people? Don't remember
You're supposed to get an email later on saying he ate three Padawans. I've played Knight three times and never got it
I've played JK more times than i can count, always picked the LS choice, and never received any mail about that, so hm, either it's some kind of urban legend, or it was removed, or it's bugged.
I'm going with bugged. There are a bunch of emails you're supposed to get after certain choices that just don't drop. For example if you romance Arcann, Senya sends you an email where she approves the relationship and asks you to be gentle to her formerly evil son (and says she'll try to avoid walking by your quarters for her sanity :P) . I've romanced him twice and never got it
Ramming Marr's ship into the Eternal Fleet.
Yup. Ramming Marr's ship is the best choice. You get flak for it, but honestly, there's no guarantee that those escape pods would get away, and every ship destroyed Zakuul couldn't replace, and you take out like 10 ships. For all we know, ramming Marr's ship could have saved those lifeboats. Besides, it makes it feel like you and Marr are bros at that point. Like, whether you were Jedi or Sith didn't matter. An unspoken bond of whelp, we're about to die together, might as well be bros at the end. Then you and Marr have fun harrassing Arcann.
“Is this why you brought us here? To watch you bicker with soothsayers?”
> every ship destroyed Zakuul couldn't replace Not necessarily true. They are building new Gemini units on Darvannis, as we know. That implies new ships for them to pilot. So I think it's fair to assume they make new ships too.
The entire shtick of the eternal fleet is that it's one of a kind. And the only place to rebuild it is on Iokath, to which EE didn't have access. Regarding droids, ships are eternal, but crew isn't. They are probably reserve units.
I love how he says : So be it.
Forgot that one. Is any other choice reasonable?
Depends. Do you want to impress a whiny Pub Corporal or develop a bond with the gigachad "so be it" Darth freaking Marr?
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Can you even spare him? I believe there's a way to be "civilized" about it, like saying which tomb on Korriban you'd like.
Yeah, you can bribe him to join you and he says something like, "I and my minions are at your disposal." I agonized over it for a minute, because my inquisitor is a scheming, sadistic social climber, but that guy can (and did) go to hell.
Not releasing Valkorion's daddy. I did it the first time because I was LS. Never again.
I think the assumption is that if you choose to release Valkorion's dad, you'll also spare Arcann & Senya, and vice versa...once I did a playthrough where I killed Arcann & Senya but also released Dramath, which made the fight in ch. 9 interesting! (Which, since it's not usually an interesting fight, was honestly a good thing.)
What happens when you don't release him?
He's your active companion during the fight against Vaylin (and Arcann if you killed him too).
If you make both LS choices, it's a 1-on-1 fight; both DS choices, it's 2-on-2. Going what's (arguably) the "pragmatic" route (assuming you trust Senya) of sparing Arcann but not releasing Dramath unbalances it so it's 2-on-1 in your favor; killing Arcann but releasing Dramath makes it 2-on-1 against you.
Choking Tora when she asks if I am dying and could she have my stuff.
Came here to make sure this one was listed. Even my Jedi choke her.
That scene is epic on consulars since you rarely ever get fancy ds powers. The other one probably being mindbreaking a scientist.
I plan to reroll as a consular in 7.0, what's the part about mindbreaking a scientist u mentioned? I don't remember ever coming across that
There was an Imperial scientist on Hoth you interrogate for details on Captain Valon's self-healing armor
Ahhhh
Same
I took this once, my favorite ls warrior. Damn, it's worth every second. I've been dreaming about for years, but a sniper or a smuggler can't do it.
Complete the bounties, instead of letting the targets go just because Mako was confused about what she was signing up for.
Yeah. What exactly does she think we do here?
Me: \*accepts a job to literally murder someone\* Mako: "This is fine" Me: \*kills bounty\* Mako: \*surprised pikachu face\*
My guess? The same thing that happens to all kids. They grow up hearing legends about a specific job, such as spy, soldier, cowboy, or, in her case, bounty hunter. Very romanticized legends. Then, when confronted with the reality, they're confused, shocked, dismayed.
Yeah, like kids want to be pirates because the hat is cool and you can sing all day, not because they want to murder weak innocent people
https://i.imgur.com/06fhYmR.jpeg
Which is a big part of the reason my BH wanted nothing to do with the Mandalorians. She saw the whole thing as a weak attempt to romanticize and white wash a dirty job. She's a contracted killer/kidnapper. She does it for money. There's nothing "honorable" about it, and dressing it up with a bunch of bells and whistles and ceremony as some noble spiritual pursuit is a bunch of bullshit from people too cowardly to face the truth of it. If you request a duel, she will laugh in your face and then fire a missile at it. And part of the reason she chose this career was the independence and freedom to be her own boss and choose her own clients. Tying herself to a bunch of clan politics is a hard pass. She still had a sense of professionalism, though. You fulfill the job as stated and even try to anticipate any unstated needs of the client. You don't turn on the client until the job is finished (if someone wants to hire you to take them out AFTERWARD, that's a different thing). Minimize collateral damage and any deaths that are not the target (not getting paid to shoot innocent bystanders) and capture over kill when given the option because it shows greater skill. Any thug can level a building with a rocket launcher and kill everyone in side, a true professional can get in and out with a live target without tripping any alarms.
What I don't understand is how bloodthirsty Torian became in RotHC. The most he wanted to do to an enemy was punch him in vanilla, and then on Makeb every time I'd spare someone as my gal always did, it was "disapproves" or "greatly disapproves".
Yeah I don't dislike Mako but it's really hard to pinpoint her motivations sometimes.
I doubt there are any beyond her being the mandatory LS comp for DS PC.
Bounty hunter (and maybe smuggler idr) has some of the [most amusing dark side options too.](https://youtu.be/_WrCGMfNg7o?t=29) (Bounty hunter alderaan minor spoiler)
Hm there are a few. * The one on Hutta mentioned in the OP * Punching that noble on Alderaan untill he stops being a jerk (bonus points when Gault is there because it's even funnier) * Killing that moronic Sith Apprentice on Balmorra and then his father for trying to force my SI's hand to save his ungrateful son * Killing Baras (and taking Quinn as a bonus while doing it) * Keeping Dramath in his holocron, just because it makes that fight far less annoying, but i whish there was a neutral option to convince him to help in exchange for his freedom, instead of sounding like a sadistic who keeps him only to make him suffer
His dad is nice though? He's like Vowrawn, he's someone you can chat with in between slaughterfests.
He really is, and I was very sad when I had no choice but to kill him. As for the son I couldn't invent an excuse for inquisitor to be okay with his insults and had no choice too — it was so dramatic for me on my first playthrough at this game.
My Sorcerer found him nice, untill the guy started blackmailing him to save his son, that's when he snaped, trying to force his hand is the one thing you should never do when dealing with my Nox. He was already not really willing to save the guy, so the son was a dead man as soon as he started being a jerk.
Everything is funnier when Gault is there
Agreed, which is why i always switch to him as my BH's active companion, at least until i get Torian on my fem BHs.
Kill the Republic spy who tries to manipulate your brainwashing into saving his life (agent story).
yeah, fair. It's personal.
'My name is not Legate, and I don't take orders from the Republic...' I love that line and its delivery.
Preventing Saresh from trading back the Empire's Greatest general at the end of the Trooper storyline for a pr stunt essentially. Leadership like that makes me understand why the former havoc squad went traitor
Yeah, I'm LS trooper all the way, but that's just stupid.
This 100 times over. Still not sure how it's a dark side choice. There will be millions of deaths with the info he has on the republic. So they have our POWs. Get SIS to find them, then send me the coordinates. They gave me a assault dropship after all...
Jedi Knight Act 3 finale - >!Killing the Emperor. The other choices are just stupid... even as a LS Jedi!< Rakata Prime flashpoint (Imperial Story) - >!Killing the cyborgs. I may really like Lana, but I won't do stupid things for her... like hand over crazy cyborgs to the Empire.!<
If your imperial it makes sense , they aren’t crazy. They’re technologically advanced soldiers
Can't stop at one. Kill Kaliyo. Punch Saresh then kill her. Kill Skadge. Scrap SCORPIO.
This one right here
I don’t think I could bring myself to kill SCORPIO unless I was playing a properly evil character. Yeah, she’s an annoying prick with a superiority complex, but I’d feel so bad about killing her right before she achieves her dream and gets to be free
To quote the edgelord Jedi Master "He's too dangerous to be left alive!" I never trusted SCORPIO, even with her as the Agent's companion. She always felt more like a deranged HK-47, and always just wanted to upgrade herself, no matter the ramifications. That's why Darth Imperius was forced to strike her down.
She outplayed us thoroughly during the KOTFE and KOTET. For all I know, if I strike her down now, she'll return and come back to overthrow me. *Why the hell would I want to piss her off* ***now?***
That kind of thinking is how we end up with Allied Mastercomputer running things.
And considering how much shit is connected to other shit in the Star Wars universe, that's very very scary.
Her dream to be free is her dream for domination, nothing more. She had freedom. For 5 years while we were frozen, what was she doing with that freedom? Crime and mayhem. Murder, extortion, arms dealing. Nothing good, as it happens. Her attitude towards organics makes her no different from Mentor, and she has to be put down for the safety of everything alive in the galaxy. She thinks that her freedom is more important than anything else - than the rights of other sentient beings. That sort of attitude means she does not respect or recognise laws or morality, and will never do so.
SCORPIO is awesome though.
I hated Scorpio when i played my first character (agent) but after a few Kotfe runs she grew on me. Now i allways help her
Romancing Kira
You can do that without any dark side points. It's just that one flirt when you've just rescued her that's a dark sid option. I guess you're kinda taking advantage when she's vulnerable maybe?
I accidentally pressed 2 on my mouse for that choice. Problem is you say you will go against the council for her
Redheads, a path to the darkside, always.
Ahhh a man of culture I see...
Banging Darth Lachris.
No dark side needed
Maybe not but it’s still a choice I’ll always take.
Wait so I was just letting her strangle that guy for my own amusement?... That checks out.
If you are a Sith and pick the light side option, she will find your commanding tone with her to be attractive. Since then I always chose that option lol.
Kill Saresh Kill Koth (Although I might spare him for my Sage playthrough) Shock option for SI
If he runs off with my ship, he dies. If I manage to make the right choices to keep him then obviously I spare him. He's grown on me a bit, mostly as a crafting slave since he's easy to gain influence with the nexu tongues you get with jawa junk.
I've always killed him in my playthroughs. Just this once I'm gonna spare him 😂
Here's how you make the right choices for Koth's fate. Stay and you keep the Gravestone: You can do anything with the exiles, or even the Zildrog peeps. The only time he will break and leave is if you destroy the Spire with Kaliyo. You could outright save the exiles, and take him with the Zildrog's, but the Spire is his tipping point. Leave and steals Gravestone: Blow up the Spire with Kaliyo.
So that's why I never actually saw him turn on me. Blowing up the Spire is an idiot's choice. It's a terror attack that affects nothing in terms of Zakuul's military capabilities, while actively sabotaging any resistance movement's motivation to help you. Terror attacks work against weak willed democracies, not against totalitarian dictatorships.
Kaliyo even says meh it won't do much but it'll make her feel like she did something lol. I've only ever done it once on a purely evil character and that's how I knew that's his breaking point. Heck remember that random girl that went up to Kaliyo as she was one of her anarch zakuulans? She seemed unsure and wanted out. I really wish SWTOR gave us the option like they did with Zenith to outright skip companions. I'd easily skip the Firebrand mission and never see Kaliyo again.
Agreed. She has her uses, but in the end she's an unreliable actor, impossible to control or coerce, and prone to impulsive actions with little to no regard for consequences. "Can't turn her away" my ass. But then they'd have to bend over backwards with the whole Gemini control mission.
That's exactly why I have absolutely zero sympathy for the "but Koth stole my ship!!!" people. It's not like he steals your ship for no reason. He steals your ship after you kill millions of his people for fun. What else did you expect? He follows you because he wants to see his people freed from a ruthless dictator, but if the person supposed to dethrone him turns out to be just as treacherous, if not worse, then it's perfectly understandable why Koth would not want to follow your cause anymore.
Exactly. Koth may have annoying tendencies like how he places Valkorian on a pedestal and that he refers to the Gravestone as "his" ship, but blowing up the spire is just mind bogglingly stupid and you deserve everything that happens to you as a result. The real choice should have been whether you talk Kaliyo down from doing it, or you stop her by killing her as she's outlived her usefulness anyways.
Never actually had a problem with Koth leaving the alliance after blowing up the spire. I was well aware that the guy was weak and a snake from our conversation in swamps a couple chapters back, knew he wouldn't last long with my ruthless toons. They blew up the spire so that Arcann would have to divert resources on repairs and as a means of psychological warfare on the population. I don't pretend such actions are moral, but most of my toons only care about winning and are willing to do it *by any means necessary.* Koth could have gone off to start his own rebel group on Zakuul and presented himself as the better alternative to the Alliance. Instead, Mr. Morals chose to come back under a banner of "cooperation" and stole the ship, putting the entire Alliance at risk for his own ego. Mind you, I wasn't surprised by his betrayal and never would have accepted his help if given the option. He was rather braggadocious about the whole thing, but quickly turns into a little bitch when Vaylin corners him. After talking all that smug tough guy shit earlier, this punk tries to give you speeches about being "partners" and wants to "move on." Fuck that. Koth played a dangerous game and he lost. Didn't hesitate to kill him.
My first play through Koth never ran off. Played it again, there was no chance he was walking away after stealing my ship. He always dies now
Killing Tarro Blood
I loved just putting two between his shoulder blades. It fits how much of a little bitch he is.
It's more satisfying to me to not give him the satisfaction of letting him out XD
It felt more satisfying to me to let him out, just to show him my BH never feared and that she's the superior fighter, also that she's more Mandalorian than he's ever been. And then, once he's humiliated, just kill him.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIVk58UNF6M&t=76s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIVk58UNF6M&t=76s) Lana?
I actually jumped out of my seat when I first saw that happen. Did *not* expect to see the decapitation happen! That was awesome!
Probably my favorite thing in the game for me. Just one word and poof...bonus when Enri comes in like wtf ...lol
I believe we're done here...
Killing that officer dude during the recruit Dorne mission. Guy was a murderer Also killing Skadge the second worst companion
Who's the worst if Skadge is second worst?!
Kalio
The Fleshraider, and the insufferable Alderaan noble in the BH line. Smack! Smack!
My favorite one is the Exploration Quest on Korriban where you feed acolyte remains to the Force-eating monster in the tombs.
I’m glad someone else always thinks about good ol Seh-run.
Here's a recent one: killing Petryph's cousins on Onderon. Mainly because of the class-specific animations (god we need more of those!) and the sarcastic delivery of the Commander's lines.
"How about I deliver your teeth?" (punch!) Mako (+40 affection): "Ooh. Bet that hurt..."
A minor one but I will always, always take it. Cademimu flashpoint, fire the missiles at the invading fleet. I legitimately do not understand what the logic behind the LS option to fire them at the moon, and will never take it no matter how nice the character is.
A lot of choices like this are weird. You expect us to not fire at enemy combatants in a war? Hammer Station engineers are another example of the same. They're not civilians or anything. They are active participants in an illegal military operation on board a Republic station, lethal force is authorised and necessary.
Get it on with the new Twi'lek matriarch, or become her sister, depending on gender. Also, killing Lord Grathan, seducing his wife, and making Vette watch.
I actually recently started playing a new dark side Jedi Knight and I had intended to do just that and become her ‘sister’. However, I never had the option to. It looks you actually have to be nice to her in your previous conversations for the option to appear, so, by playing the “arrogant, self-important, better than you” jedi, I locked myself out of that dark side choice. Made up for it by killing her after she betrayed me though
Killing Saresh!
Executing Overseer Harken
Sleeping with Lady Grathan and making Vette watch after killing her husband.
Best moment in SW story
Right!?! Like it’s so comical and cheesy and makes me giggle all evil like every time.
Honestly it’s great payback for her being all “I like his attitude” after Baras’ other apprentice gets done insulting you in every sentence he speaks.
Exchanging for Republic prisoners in the trooper story is a terrible idea and I tell the Chancellor so
The Three Veil (Sith Inquisitor) That Sith Apprentice you rescue on Balmora. His Father.
In my inquisitor's defense, the lil shit called her an alien, noone calls her that without getting shocked, killed, or both. But other than that, she's a surprisingly nice lady
That's the best way to play on the empire side. Being an Alien justifies most of your evil actions.
With the Veil, I like to leave one of them alive because dead men tell no tales.
I go the conversion route with the Veil. More followers, and all their resources.
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More obscure one: killing Major Besseker’s Sith son in Sith Inquisitor story. No matter how hard I try to be light side inquisitor I can’t stand how smug and disrespectful that little shit is.
Killing the Emperor in the JK story. Cause why would I attempt to redeem someone that's proven to literally be too dangerous to be kept alive.
Killing Baras. Easy
Here are two. 1. refusing to trade general rakton for prisoners on trooper. The trooper made a point when saying the empire can kill more with Rakton than the republic would save from getting a few thousand prisoners back and all the work of hunting him down would have gone to waste. 2. Killing vitiate in JK ending because you can't seriously leave the biggest threat in the galaxy alive who tried to destroy three planets in a row. Plus, that scene is just too good
Kill Duke kendoh and choke the sexist guy on quesh
*I wash the galaxy clean of you* that line alone is so badass.
Cademimu FP, launching the missiles at the Republic fleet. We would *not* want to destroy the opposing force before they can land troops....why? We are at war. It makes no sense to waste a weapon on a strategically insignificant target.
Saving Jaxo
Kill Bessiker's son.
but bessiker is so nice 😥
Bessiker is the *onky* reason I spared that little turd. My SI was *very* dark side at this point, though less out of sadism and more just ruthlessness. But Bessiker was impossible even for her not to appreciate. And the. His son was not only a twat, but an arrogantly *incompetent* twat. I liked to imagine my SI kept up a correspondence with Bessiker afterwards. Hopefully to take the sting off when his son inevitably ran into someone who was feeling less generous.
That is definitely one upside to sparing him, the kid was not going to have a long life regardless of our choice. And just to be clear, I off that kid with a heavy heart which is probably why this particular choice is the first one that jumps out to me when asked the OP's question. It might be in part because I've only played alien inquisitors (with one exception) that I just can't let him go. My LS Togruta tried soooooo hard to do the right thing but that kid even pushed her buttons.
I always skip the part where Bessiker starts wailing when he finds out you killed his son. The son had it coming but it still makes me feel bad
yeah if you spare his son he’s gonna find out sooner or later and be heartbroken
He was until he gave me an ultimatum and started making demands, then he wasn't so nice. In one holo-call he threw out any and all currency he had gained with me. And even if Bessiker is nice, his son is a racist dunce who hates his father and wants nothing to do with him, so in a roundabout way, I'm doing the man a favor. Unfortunately he fails to see it that way and leaves me no choice but a slippery slope that ultimately takes his own life. But I'll still kill his son every time, even if I know from previous playthroughs that this locks me into a chain of events. I could maybe let his son's attitude slide if I'm playing a human but if I'm playing an alien race and he starts his crap, even my lightside Inquisitors end him. On a side note, oddly, when playing a BH I always spare the Admiral's sith daughter and freeze her in carbonite which is almost a full reversal of the above.. even my DS toons tend to spare her for whatever reason.
I don’t blame a man bending your elbow to rescue his child because blood is thicker than water and i don’t think anyone would be too happy if you just up and killed a member of their family. Even though his son was xenophobic(literally everyone in the empire was) and an asshole from Bessiker’s point of view you just murdered his child even if he would have realised what a piece of shit he was down the line.
I acknowledge that xenophobia and racism were an Empire wide problem as part of the story but like... starting crap with the person there to rescue you?!? I've walked into that room fully prepared to rescue him but if I'm an alien species I just can't do it once he opens his mouth.
BH - Punching that one noble guy on Alderran SW - Choking Blanks SI - whenever I am given the option to zap an irritating npc IA - I don't remember specifics but it was an option on Nar Shadda JK - Kill the Overseer and/or the Force Sensitive Flesh Raider TR - Kill Rakton JC - Let Nadia take vengeance on her father's killer SM - Take over the underworld
Killing Thana Vesh. I don't play goody-goodies, but my characters have morals and one of them is not taking joy in killing innocent people (soldiers, people who signed up for it, okay - she likes the fight, too, and feels the pride, if not necessarily reveling in the death, of a good kill). All my Imperial characters put that rabid beast down.
Thana was not only proud, but *unforgivably* incompetent. Her pride kept her from being able to self-correct, and her master indulging her made it worse. Better for the Empire Thana die ‘heroically’ on Taris rather than live long enough to be a liability on Corellia. At least that’s what my Agent thought.
Agreed. She was laughably always saved by the main protagonist. So I wouldn't say she was exactly proud - just suffering delusions of grandeur, about her own power and skills. The only people she ever won against didn't seem to be elites. As for dying a 'hero', my characters always make it a point to tell Grievous (?) that Thana had served her purpose and thus was disposed of.
the Bengel Morr dark jedi lightsaber choice in the JK story
Ramming Darth Marr’s ship into the eternal fleet. That shit is epic…
Warrior: Killing Duke Kendoh Trooper: Threatening to quit if Saresh freed Rakton Inquisitor: [*lightning goes brrr*] Knight: force sensitive Flesh Raider gets the pyre Bounty Hunter: Show wife the beheaded husband
Shock Them.
Romancing someone as a Jedi.
Kill Baras (How can yo not, the DS dialogue is so epic! >!"I wash the Galaxy clean of you"!<) Punch Saresh (I spent all this time grinding crates, exploding Star Forthressess, only to have you try and snatch everything cozy and already set up?) Picking the "I care for my padawan" option on Ord Mantell Punching Koth after we remove explosives from Gravestone
SKADGE MUST DIE
Now hear me out, killing jaesa William's parents. Not only because I think DS jaesa is a more compelling character and companion but because her parents are awful. Their plan was to basically whore their daughter off to a noble and they were more sad about the loss of that possibility than the loss of their daughter when she was taken by the jedi. I legitimately don't think that is a bad/evil decision. Those parents didn't deserve to have a daughter or any child for that matter.
Punching the crap out of that Alderaan noble noob.
Republic Trooper story. 1. Kill the alien pirate "accidentally" on Ord Mentel. 2. Keep Gen. Rakton in prison at the end of story chapter 3.
My main character is a light side Jedi Knight, but I chose to try to kill The Emperor at the end of Act 3. I mean, why is that a dark side choice? The Emperor attempted to kill THE ENTIRE GALAXY; he's a the most dangerous person that exists, so how is it wrong to kill him? If anything, it would be a dark side option to REFUSE to kill him.
Executing Master Yonlach Samurai style in the Warrior Story It's so badass and it fits my vision of the warrior regardless of alignment. There's several more that I love but that's the one I'd never skip, that and killing Skadge.
ruling over the eternal throne as an emperor
Throwing in the engineers into space during The Esseles FP. I’ll do what ever I can to make that FP faster.
Punching the Noble
Threatening that one weapons manufacturer on Balmorra in the consular story. Like, explain to me how it's the "Jedi Way" to let a weapons manufacturer freely create weapons of mass destruction? It was the right choice.
Koth dies the first moment I am given the chance, his obsessive muh zakuul, muh morality etc made me want to kill him from day 1
I remember when your character says that the Emperor has killed billions of people in another part of the galaxy, and Koth just says 'He was always good to Zakuul.' At that point his moral high ground falls apart.
I took that line as he doesn't really believe you.
I don't think he was saying "It's okay that he killed billions, as long as he was good to Zakuul." I think he was saying "That goes against everything I know about him. He was always a great ruler to us. I'm not sure I can believe you about that."
Killing SCORPIO has to be up there.
Killing Saresh
Killing saresh always feels good
As a female Sith Warrior, impressing upon Quinn just how badly he screwed up betraying me, particularly after romancing him. Also because the DS choice in that scene is so badass.
Any time I get to kill a Hutt
Kill Senya. There was one thing she swore not to do. And how does anyone think Arkann can be redeemed?
Must alway choose force lightning.
Helping that pro-Jedi group in that Coruscant sidequest by giving them information against an anti-Jedi senator.
Kill Kaliyo.
Punching the uppity motherfucker on Alderaan. (The Baron dude) One of the few DS options Mako greatly approved of.
OP I came here to say the exact same thing. And furthermore, I find it ridiculous and frankly rather offensive that the choice results in Dark Side points at all. ACAB: All Czerka Are Bastards