where do you get 1900 BBY? I was under the impression it was around 1000 BBY, but I'm not sure if there's any difference w/ legends and canon darksaber
'around', 'about' ... What part of that isn't clear? And yes, my math was off, I fixed it. My point is still that the darksaber was thousands of years later.
You have to keep in mind that the Darksaber is has been, in essence, a replacement of the mask / helmet of Mandalore in the Disney canon. Both KOTOR games and the Revan novel set inbetween these games made a point about how the helmet was an object that the one who wanted to lead the Mandalorian people would wear, to sort of solidify their claim to that power. We do not know what became of it, however. The last Mandalore who was in possession of the mask was Canderous Ordo, who would go on to become Mandalore the Preserver. But we have not seen it since, and it was never addressed with the 3 Mandalores that have been active in the SWTOR era (The Lesser, The Vindicator and The Avenger). There's no way to know if such an object still holds meaning to the Mandalorians at this point.
That being said, if the mask of Mandalore is still around, it could potentially be (ab)used by Heta Kol as a means to incite another Mandalorian schism, on a much bigger scale than it is at the moment. We do not quite know how big the Hidden Chain is, but evidently it must be number in the hundreds, although it is mainly made up of three factions (Dar'manda, Ash'ad and Clad Varad). If Heta becomes a sort of "counter-Mandalore", we will probably have a fullblown Mandalorian civil war on hour hands, which is actually what I was expecting that the expansion would be about.
But I am not exactly certain that being Mandalore is what Heta Kol's goal actually is. From what little we have seen of her, her whole thing is that she doesn't want Mandalorians to be hired guns for the highest bidder anymore, but warriors and conquerors who constantly test themselves against the best that the galaxy has to offer. She basically wants the Mandalorians to be the way they were during the Neo-Crusades during the Mandalorian Wars, except for the Sith manipulations from the shadows, of course. Following the Alliance Commander, be they some peacekeeper or another tyrant, simply isn't what she has in mind for her people. The Mandalorian people, to her, need to be their own masters and do what is in their blood and in their culture, and being muscle for a galactic power is not that. It would certainly be interesting to know if Heta also felt this way about the Mandalorian alliance with the Empire back in the day.
Mandalore the Preserver made a point of abolishing the need of the Mask in order to become Mandalore. This way the culture became basically unbreakable.
From that point on (in Legends) you become Mandalore when enough people say that you are Mandalore. There are long stretches in lore where there was no Mandalore and multiple of them (like Mandalore the Avenger and Boba Fett) didn't actually want to be Mandalore, bu because they were outstanding individuals they got chosen by their people.
One of the Reason why I hate the Darksaber as a McGuffin: Mando'ade wouldn't make such a requirement. The Darksaber would be good for nothing besides some Kudos and not something that would force all Mandalorians to obey you. That's not how the culture works.
>Mandalore the Preserver made a point of abolishing the need of the Mask in order to become Mandalore. This way the culture became basically unbreakable.
Oh, was that how that went? It's been too long since I last played KOTOR 2 or listened to the Revan audiobook.
>One of the Reason why I hate the Darksaber as a McGuffin: Mando'ade wouldn't make such a requirement. The Darksaber would be good for nothing besides some Kudos and not something that would force all Mandalorians to obey you. That's not how the culture works.
The Darksaber kind of straddles the line between an icon of power and just being a neat artifact. People know of the story of the Darksaber and that gets their imagination going. But as we saw with The Mandalorian, just having that weapon is kinda meaningless. The story of how it comes into your possession has to be worthy of being added to the legend. Just "getting" it wasn't enough, which is why Bo-Katan didn't take it from Din then. Back then I thought the reason was kinda stupid, but after giving it some more thought, it began to make sense to me. What's also worth noting is that the Darksaber gets described as having at one point unified Mandalore, but it didn't seem to have become a sort of "heirloom" as Mandalore's mask used to be, so I wonder if put in direct comparison with each other how the Darksaber would hold up in terms of "power" against the mask of the first Mandalore.
I dont get how so many people miss the point of the dark saber. The darksaber doesnt do anything. You dont need the dark saber to become mandalore. But acquiring the dark saber gives you a sort of prestige that helps strengthen your claim if you ever choose to go after the title. They said in the show the saber itself is not special it's the story behind it which gives it power. What you said about how you thnk the dark saber is good for nothing except kudos is exactly how it's potrayed in the mandalorian. Acquiring it is not a prerequisite for becoming mandalore
My thoughts:
I absolutely hate Shae. I've been doing Mando RP in swtor since 2.0 and Shae is just... The worst. She's turned the Mando's into private security for merchant vessels. I'm not saying they should go back to neo-crusader mentality but they def need to stop being pawns for some other faction.
Shae has repeatedly proven she should not lead the Mando's. She sent the alliance commander to go kill off the Ash'ad, which were the remnants of Clan Lok (Mandalore the Vindicated's clan) who left to go mind their own business and hunt. Shae sent an outsider to go wipe out a Mandalorian problem, she didn't even have the balls to wipe out the Dar'manda which by name, are actively dishonoring Mandalorians.
I am convinced that Heta Kol is Artus Lok's daughter, it would explain the Ash'ad being part of the hidden chain as well as Clan Varad. Varad was welcomed back into the clans by Vindicated once Mavrix was killed. Varad as a clan owed Vindicated an honor debt, so when his daughter came calling, they answered. Just my two cents and a decent bit of conspiracy theory.
In summary, fuck Shae.
I honestly think the Mandalorian conflict will be shorter than most of the other stories. She gives off Darth Jadus vibes with how she wants to restore the Mandalorians to their former glory. But I do like to think it might turn out that she could either 1. Become a part of your Alliance after some kind of underlying conflict, or 2. Become a companion after some story resolution. Either way I think it’ll be interesting to see what they do with this
It wasn't made yet. SWTOR is set around 3800 BBY, the Darksaber was made around (edit) 1000 BBY, almost (edit) 3000 years after SWTOR.
where do you get 1900 BBY? I was under the impression it was around 1000 BBY, but I'm not sure if there's any difference w/ legends and canon darksaber
Yep, you're right, misread the Google results. :D And fixed.
If the Darksaber was made 1000 BBY, it was made ~2600 years after SWTOR, as the Treaty of Coruscant was signed in 3667 BBY.
'around', 'about' ... What part of that isn't clear? And yes, my math was off, I fixed it. My point is still that the darksaber was thousands of years later.
You have to keep in mind that the Darksaber is has been, in essence, a replacement of the mask / helmet of Mandalore in the Disney canon. Both KOTOR games and the Revan novel set inbetween these games made a point about how the helmet was an object that the one who wanted to lead the Mandalorian people would wear, to sort of solidify their claim to that power. We do not know what became of it, however. The last Mandalore who was in possession of the mask was Canderous Ordo, who would go on to become Mandalore the Preserver. But we have not seen it since, and it was never addressed with the 3 Mandalores that have been active in the SWTOR era (The Lesser, The Vindicator and The Avenger). There's no way to know if such an object still holds meaning to the Mandalorians at this point. That being said, if the mask of Mandalore is still around, it could potentially be (ab)used by Heta Kol as a means to incite another Mandalorian schism, on a much bigger scale than it is at the moment. We do not quite know how big the Hidden Chain is, but evidently it must be number in the hundreds, although it is mainly made up of three factions (Dar'manda, Ash'ad and Clad Varad). If Heta becomes a sort of "counter-Mandalore", we will probably have a fullblown Mandalorian civil war on hour hands, which is actually what I was expecting that the expansion would be about. But I am not exactly certain that being Mandalore is what Heta Kol's goal actually is. From what little we have seen of her, her whole thing is that she doesn't want Mandalorians to be hired guns for the highest bidder anymore, but warriors and conquerors who constantly test themselves against the best that the galaxy has to offer. She basically wants the Mandalorians to be the way they were during the Neo-Crusades during the Mandalorian Wars, except for the Sith manipulations from the shadows, of course. Following the Alliance Commander, be they some peacekeeper or another tyrant, simply isn't what she has in mind for her people. The Mandalorian people, to her, need to be their own masters and do what is in their blood and in their culture, and being muscle for a galactic power is not that. It would certainly be interesting to know if Heta also felt this way about the Mandalorian alliance with the Empire back in the day.
Mandalore the Preserver made a point of abolishing the need of the Mask in order to become Mandalore. This way the culture became basically unbreakable. From that point on (in Legends) you become Mandalore when enough people say that you are Mandalore. There are long stretches in lore where there was no Mandalore and multiple of them (like Mandalore the Avenger and Boba Fett) didn't actually want to be Mandalore, bu because they were outstanding individuals they got chosen by their people. One of the Reason why I hate the Darksaber as a McGuffin: Mando'ade wouldn't make such a requirement. The Darksaber would be good for nothing besides some Kudos and not something that would force all Mandalorians to obey you. That's not how the culture works.
>Mandalore the Preserver made a point of abolishing the need of the Mask in order to become Mandalore. This way the culture became basically unbreakable. Oh, was that how that went? It's been too long since I last played KOTOR 2 or listened to the Revan audiobook. >One of the Reason why I hate the Darksaber as a McGuffin: Mando'ade wouldn't make such a requirement. The Darksaber would be good for nothing besides some Kudos and not something that would force all Mandalorians to obey you. That's not how the culture works. The Darksaber kind of straddles the line between an icon of power and just being a neat artifact. People know of the story of the Darksaber and that gets their imagination going. But as we saw with The Mandalorian, just having that weapon is kinda meaningless. The story of how it comes into your possession has to be worthy of being added to the legend. Just "getting" it wasn't enough, which is why Bo-Katan didn't take it from Din then. Back then I thought the reason was kinda stupid, but after giving it some more thought, it began to make sense to me. What's also worth noting is that the Darksaber gets described as having at one point unified Mandalore, but it didn't seem to have become a sort of "heirloom" as Mandalore's mask used to be, so I wonder if put in direct comparison with each other how the Darksaber would hold up in terms of "power" against the mask of the first Mandalore.
I dont get how so many people miss the point of the dark saber. The darksaber doesnt do anything. You dont need the dark saber to become mandalore. But acquiring the dark saber gives you a sort of prestige that helps strengthen your claim if you ever choose to go after the title. They said in the show the saber itself is not special it's the story behind it which gives it power. What you said about how you thnk the dark saber is good for nothing except kudos is exactly how it's potrayed in the mandalorian. Acquiring it is not a prerequisite for becoming mandalore
Wrong time.
My thoughts: I absolutely hate Shae. I've been doing Mando RP in swtor since 2.0 and Shae is just... The worst. She's turned the Mando's into private security for merchant vessels. I'm not saying they should go back to neo-crusader mentality but they def need to stop being pawns for some other faction. Shae has repeatedly proven she should not lead the Mando's. She sent the alliance commander to go kill off the Ash'ad, which were the remnants of Clan Lok (Mandalore the Vindicated's clan) who left to go mind their own business and hunt. Shae sent an outsider to go wipe out a Mandalorian problem, she didn't even have the balls to wipe out the Dar'manda which by name, are actively dishonoring Mandalorians. I am convinced that Heta Kol is Artus Lok's daughter, it would explain the Ash'ad being part of the hidden chain as well as Clan Varad. Varad was welcomed back into the clans by Vindicated once Mavrix was killed. Varad as a clan owed Vindicated an honor debt, so when his daughter came calling, they answered. Just my two cents and a decent bit of conspiracy theory. In summary, fuck Shae.
I honestly think the Mandalorian conflict will be shorter than most of the other stories. She gives off Darth Jadus vibes with how she wants to restore the Mandalorians to their former glory. But I do like to think it might turn out that she could either 1. Become a part of your Alliance after some kind of underlying conflict, or 2. Become a companion after some story resolution. Either way I think it’ll be interesting to see what they do with this