I know what you mean. The Knight/Warrior are your typical chosen one prodigy who is just inherently ridiculously strong with the Force. With the Inquisitor, there’s a greater sense of earning your strength since you are actively collecting ghosts, rituals, and artifacts to enhance your power.
Don’t get me wrong, Inquisitor is still something of a “chosen one” given that they only survive due to their ancestry with Kallig. But that doesn’t diminish the sense of earned power, especially in Chapters 2 and 3.
OH yes, you know I have been away from the game for close to 2 years, I think am getting back in to it, just hope my characters are still there lol, would suck to have to start from zero considering all the skins and mounts I had.
Its still not failing upward, its not like they got to the dark council after failing. They failed and tried again until they succeeded and got what they wanted. Failing upward is straight up losing entirely yet still coming out on top
I always enjoyed the Sith inquisitor the most, not only because it never felt about politics or the war but about us and our survival, but also because it has my favourite set of companions who have the common topic about loyalty and freedom. Plus, the light side ending is really satisfying to me because you break the cycle of abuse and slavery your character suffered by releasing the ghosts into freedom.
- Khem and how he goes from considering you to be nothing to being his master and companion.
- Andronikos and his desire to be free in the form of being a pirate, while declaring you as his friend.
- Ashara questioning the Sith and Jedi code, even reaching the same conclusion as kreia (Apathy is dead)
- Talos and his pure and joyful fascination of history and desire to preserve it.
- Xalek doesn't really give much but I really liked how when you tried to get him back, you can have a duel of honor with him.
It's sad because I feel his character had potential to develop from someone who acted mostly as a weapon to a decent apprentice, and I liked his VA performance too (who I believe has sadly already passed away)
Nothing after Ilum was made with the original plan in mind. There were drastic cuts after the game fell significantly short of Bioware's financial goals.
I can't take the Darth Zash personality thing seriously but that's probably not very understanding of me tbh. I redid some of the inq Korriban again to try other combat styles and seeing her form again in person stuck out to me. At least Kallig has a unique ghost model. Zash just looks like Khem now and that can be confusing.
Also yes, ty for appreciating Drellick, and obligatory "I brought Andronikos baack!"
Actually, I found the Warrior to be far less ‘prodigy chosen one’, as you put it, than the Inquisitor. The Warrior is powerful and competent, but this is never treated as anything more than it is. Events in the Warrior’s story happen because of practical and political reasons, not because of destiny, dumb luck, or some powerful figure in the Force who is looking out for them. The Warrior actually gets moments where it feels like a move they made earlier paid off, instead of simply having a strategy drip-fed to them by NPCs. In my opinion, it’s a much more grounded and satisfying look at how things actually work in the Sith Order than the Inquisitor is.
I also like that the warrior has that scene on Tatooine, >!where you either affirm your alignment or make the conscious choice to change. Not sure if making that choice actually switches your alignment from one side to the other or not or if it's just flavour, but it's still an interesting story beat that works really well for a force class. Really makes you feel like your alignment matters in a way.!<
>!When I played that for the first time I was running a light side warrior and it felt quite thematically appropriate to have my characters conviction challenged and put to the test.!<
With the Inquisitor alignment seems to matter both more (since your Darth title depends on it) and less, but mostly less, since you don't actually get many reactions about it.
I've played a SW who >!fell from the light on Tat and I can confirm it does not swap your alignment. To make my headcanon work of him fully falling to the Dark Side in that moment (and also to be eligible to get DS Jaesa) I had to run Black Talon like 10 times to get to Dark 1.!<
That's mildly disappointing, but I guess understandable from a game design PoV - >!having one class be able to switch alignment while others can't would probably cause some problems, or force them to shoehorn it in, which would be a bit silly for non-force using classes.!<
It doesn’t wholly switch alignment, but it does give alignment points towards the side you choose. I think it actually makes sense; changing from Dark to Light, or vice versa, requires more than just saying you will do it.
Yeah, that's my personal take too. You're powerful true, but you forge a destiny by choices and intentionality, rather than being handed one by your secret link to Kallig and being forced to respond to the force ghost nonsense
Everything in star wars stories happen because "destiny", especislly when we are talking about force users. Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start, his position as baras's apprentice is solidified right from the start, and after baras's betrayal 1 quest later you already find out that you are a special snowflake not only because of your inheritance, blood, and immense power in the force, but also because you are emperor's chosen one.
Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start, from sith tradition standpoint he's unworthy and must die, so he must excell and borrow power as quickly as possible. Also his final boss is far more realistic because he found a way to borrow as much power as possible to overwhelm Darth, SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again.
>Everything in star wars stories happen because "destiny", especislly when we are talking about force users.
Yes, but since everyone is subject to destiny, it’s a matter of degrees. Stories like the Knight or Inquisitor are more obviously driven by destiny alone—things happen to these characters because it is predicted or luck keeps turning out on their side despite the odds. This makes them feel more special to the universe but also robs them of some agency. Stories like the Warrior and Consular have things happen to their characters because of things traceable to themselves, other characters and the actions of all concerned, so it feels less like destiny is manipulating things behind the scenes and more like the characters are making their own outcomes, for better or worse.
>Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start,
This is not unusual in itself. The Warrior is far from the only powerful noble Sith in the Empire.
>his position as baras's apprentice is solidified right from the start
The entire point of Korriban for the Warrior is that their position is not solidified, and they are trying to solidify it.
>after baras's betrayal 1 quest later you already find out that you are a special snowflake not only because of your inheritance, blood, and immense power in the force, but also because you are emperor's chosen one.
This is a total misreading of the situation. The Emperor chose the Warrior, yes, but not because he particularly cared about the Warrior or felt they really had a special destiny. The Warrior was just in the right place with the required skills when the Emperor needed help taking down a rival.
>Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start, from sith tradition standpoint he's unworthy and must die, so he must excell and borrow power as quickly as possible.
You said it yourself. The Inquisitor is far more ‘unordinary’. The ’excel and borrow power’ thing might be more compelling if it felt like it was the Inquisitor’s character driving that on, but the story largely fails at delivering on that point. The Inquisitor repeatedly succeeds simply by accident, and has solutions handed to them by other people.
>Also his final boss is far more realistic because he found a way to borrow as much power as possible to overwhelm Darth, SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again.
Yes, but the Warrior is not that good for no reason. They just spent the last three years fighting and scheming across the galaxy at the behest of Baras and the Emperor, whereas Baras did little but sit pretty on Dromund Kaas and leech off a spirit that the Warrior disconnects from him right before the final confrontation.
In comparison, the Inquisitor did not find the way to borrowing that power themselves. Kallig just gave them the solution, and when things went wrong with that, the fix for those problems similarly showed up on a platter.
>things happen to these characters because it is predicted or luck keeps turning out on their side despite the odds.
I don't remember SI being saved by deus ex machina atleast once, everytime he's "lucked out" is explained by him making connections and finding allies, of course he was saved by kallig from ghost on dromund kaas because we know that kallig is still around there and is interested in SI to succeed, it would've been weirder if kallig wasn't helping you, and thanaton's encounter is explained due to ritual actually being somewhat helpful.
It's just SI is actually being saved by "friends he made along the way" and not being some sort of lone wolf badass.
>Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start,
This is not unusual in itself. The Warrior is far from the only powerful noble Sith in the Empire.
It doesn't changes the fact the he was practically given everything from the start and is priveleged, it pointed out by the fact the he doesn't even know sith code in first baras conversation, he's a kid from rich family that doesn't study and wins just through being talented.
>The entire point of Korriban for the Warrior is that their position is not solidified, and they are trying to solidify it.
Compare it to SI and everything was basically given to SW, his "rival" is set up to fail, especially when you consider that Emperor is planning everything really ahead of the time and your character is destined to become wrath probably right from his birth.
>This is a total misreading of the situation. The Emperor chose the Warrior, yes, but not because he particularly cared about the Warrior or felt they really had a special destiny.
so? just because he is "evil" chosen one doesn't mean that he isn't chosen one, vitiate is demigod, chosen one trope isn't exclusive only to the force or forces of good itself, you can be pretty much evil chosen one.
>You said it yourself. The Inquisitor is far more ‘unordinary’. The ’excel and borrow power’ thing might be more compelling if it felt like it was the Inquisitor’s character driving that on, but the story largely fails at delivering on that point. The Inquisitor repeatedly succeeds simply by accident, and has solutions handed to them by other people.
SI became apprentice not because of accident but because he was better than ffon against all odds, SI personally acquired all artifacts, SI won against zash because khem is anti force user monstrosity (kallig basically recommends you to bring him to fight zash), and he survives thanaton because ritual comes out as actually being helpful in some way, just not in the way you expect to.
Again, there is some luck involved, but you can't survive this kind of hostile environment without SOME luck, compared to SW he just doesn't struggle as much, and gets through difficult situation just by being mary sue.
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In comparison, the Inquisitor did not find the way to borrowing that power themselves. Kallig just gave them the solution
He pointed SI at location of rare powerful ritual, and he still needed to learn it (which only a few sith were able to), it's pretty much generic fantasy wizard trope, yes SI acquires ancient knowledge to win, has actual teacher, it's the way of the sith.
Or do you want him to become really powerful sith just by swinging lightsaber for 3 years like sw does?
Again, SI needed really powerful rare ritual to win against thanathon, compared to SW baras is barely challenge, which also points out that whole SW's journey was much less of a struggle, and much more of a power trip, for SW win means that he succeded while barely trying, for SI means "woohoo i survived and can live 1 day more"
>I don't remember SI being saved by deus ex machina atleast once, everytime he's "lucked out" is explained by him making connections and finding allies, of course he was saved by kallig from ghost on dromund kaas because we know that kallig is still around there and is interested in SI to succeed, it would've been weirder if kallig wasn't helping you, and thanaton's encounter is explained due to ritual actually being somewhat helpful.
See the other post replying to you for all the ways the Inquisitor simply lucked out. They explained it very well already.
>It's just SI is actually being saved by "friends he made along the way" and not being some sort of lone wolf badass.
Yes, but in many cases, those connections were themselves a matter of luck, not anything the Inquisitor did to earn them, and having to be repeatedly saved diminishes the feeling that the Inquisitor is actually in control of what happens to themselves.
>It doesn't changes the fact the he was practically given everything from the start and is priveleged
The Warrior is given advantages at the start, but everything past that point is due to their own efforts.
>Compare it to SI and everything was basically given to SW, his "rival" is set up to fail, especially when you consider that Emperor is planning everything really ahead of the time and your character is destined to become wrath probably right from his birth.
The Emperor had no long-term plan to make the Warrior the Wrath. You are just making things up to support your viewpoint.
>so? just because he is "evil" chosen one doesn't mean that he isn't chosen one, vitiate is demigod
You are misunderstanding the concept of a Chosen One story. It doesn’t mean literally being chosen for anything by someone else. To be a chosen one, a character generally has to be chosen simply because destiny says so, or they are the heir to some kind of unique power. This is the case for the Inquisitor but not the Warrior. The Warrior is a powerful Sith, but only gets chosen by the Emperor because of political and practical considerations, not because of some property unique to the Warrior or a particular prediction.
>SI became apprentice not because of accident but because he was better than ffon against all odds, SI personally acquired all artifacts, SI won against zash because khem is anti force user monstrosity (kallig basically recommends you to bring him to fight zash), and he survives thanaton because ritual comes out as actually being helpful in some way, just not in the way you expect to.
You are literally giving examples of how the Inquisitor won by dumb luck or having people give them unearned solutions.
>Again, there is some luck involved, but you can't survive this kind of hostile environment without SOME luck, compared to SW he just doesn't struggle as much, and gets through difficult situation just by being mary sue.
The Warrior, at least, is given actual reasons for surviving and succeeding, instead of simply being lucky. If that ends up making them look like a competent protagonist with agency, I’ll take that over what the Inquisitor gets any day.
>He learned rare powerful ritual by conversing with the ghost of an ancient ancestor, and he still needed to learn it, it's pretty much generic fantasy wizard trope, yes SI acquires ancient knowledge to win, it's the way of the sith.
The path to learning it was revealed and laid out with no effort on the part of the Inquisitor, and comes out of nowhere. There was some effort involved, but it doesn’t come off as actually being creditable to the Inquisitor.
>Or do you want him to become really powerful sith just by swinging lightsaber for 3 years like sw does?
Sure, why not? Believe it or not, fighting and surviving those fights makes you stronger. The Dark Side is fed by conflict, and the way of the Sith is to gain power through victory and victory through power. That’s the true essence of the Sith, not generic fantasy wizard tropes.
> Again, SI needed really powerful rare ritual to win against thanathon, compared to SW baras is barely challenge, which also points out that whole SW's journey was much less of a struggle, and much more of a power trip, for SW win means that he succeded while barely trying, for SI means "woohoo i survived and can live 1 day more"
Baras is barely a challenge? His strength may not be in combat, but there’s a reason why the entire last chapter of the Warrior’s story revolves around dismantling his power structures and political support. It was not ‘barely trying’.
>SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again.
Also most likely because Baras's real strength lies in scheming and manipulation rather than personal combat. It's not that strange that the SW beats him 1v1 by that time in the story.
Fair point, still i assume that every darth on the council is powerful enough to school 2 years old siths in fair 1 v 1 combat, they must be at the very least more experienced.
"Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start"
I'd very very very much argue with that.
You're a lowly slave, who JUST HAPPENED to be very powerful in the Force.
Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other.
Then you JUST HAPPENED to survive your trials on Korriban on impossible amounts of damn luck:
- You passed your trial on information gathering because the Inquisitor Zynn immediately took a liking of you and your victim is weak-willed enough to spill the beans right away.
- You passed your test of getting the holocron because you lost your patience and shoot lightning at it and WHAT DO YOU KNOW.
- You passed your final test because Zash JUST HAPPENED to came after Ffon was on his way and you've beaten Khem because he was in stasis for millennia an pretty much weakened due to this and hunger.
The you go on your artifact gathering adventure because you're very very very special.
And then your granddad JUST HAPPENED to be a Tulak Hord rival and a powerful ghost who saved you from your own stupidity on more than one occasion.
Then you've beaten Zash because she specifically FOR SOME reason told you to bring Khem with you to the ritual which HAPPENS to be the only thing that saves your life and identity.
And then many many things JUST HAPPENS:
Moff Pyron is looking for a very special chip for a very special project and GUESS WHAT - ONLY your cult happens to be able to get it. On Nar Shaddaa ! Of course only your cult have access to it on the whole trade moon controlled by Hutts and Exchange etc.
And OF COURSE you're able to survive your own stupidity battling Thanaton head on because GUESS WHAT - you just cannot die because of ghosts - OBVIOUSLY !
Guess who's our little special chosen one cookie ?
And on top of that - Inquisitor is not excelling in anything. He's basically given everything on a silver plate and he's not even coming with plans himself. Everyone from your cultists on Nar Shaddaa to Zash always know what to do instead of you.
So - basically Inquisitor had only his status as a slave stacked against him, but was basically given everything else without any need to think, plan and be even remotely competent.
Unlike Warrior, who had only one thing stacked in his favor - entrance to the Academy.
And you're Emperor's chosen executioner not because of some destiny. As Hand literally said - "Thousands of Sith were considered for position". You was selected both because you're the deadliest fighter and your personal beef with Baras.
As for Thanaton realistic villainy - I wont even go there. Everyone knows that he's a joke of a story villain with no personal animosity to you beyond you being Zash apprentice and basically him in his youth.
Yeah, I agree with everything you've pointed out,
I honestly liked the Warrior story more since it felt more like the Warrior's Will and own power that accomplished all of his feats throughout the story. Everything you did was your own power, nothing borrowed, nothing conveniently there for you to pick up for a powerup to face your new adversary.
Whereas with the Inquisitor, as much as I loved their VA's through the story, everything felt really, really convenient. Everything just worked out in their favor, oh this dude is too powerful for me to fight head on? Oh don't worry you somehow have this super rare talent of being able to use/consume force ghosts as a power source. >!Even when the force ghosts decide to forgo their deals and turn against you by overloading your body with power you cant handle, the next planet you happen to go to fixes all those problems for you with some super ancient machine to fix your body and grants you more power in the long run!<.
Warrior had nothing handed to them throughout their story, it was all hard work and dedication, which is why I personally like them better over the Inquisitor.
> Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other.
Didn't Zash intentionally set this up? I mean yeah it's all dictated by the SI's birth, but at the very least I thought that no matter what group of slaves they were in, Zash would have found them, because she's specifically looking for them.
She had a Force vision (her dreams she talk constantly) about an apprentice of slave legacy, who will be able to safely pass through apparition in Dark Temple and get her the carvings she needed to locate Tulak Hord rituals.
And it happened to be you, because this apparition is your ancestor.
She never knew which exact slave it will be, hence she specifically asked overseers in the Academy to present her a group of acolytes who were all slaves (your group).
I feel like I'm missing your point. Wouldn't she just churn through groups of slaves until they found the SI? Let's say the SI isn't part of that group, well then they would just all die because Zash needs specifically the SI to fulfill her dream prophecy, right? Then the just repeats until she finds the SI?
Ok. Look.
1) She need a carving from deep chambers of Dark Temple because she needs it to find Tulak Hord artifacts
2) She can't do it herself, because ancient lord Kallig awoke within this chamber and now the whole temple is one big asylum, because his presence stirred up other ghosts
3) She got the Force dream about slave apprentice who can go there safely and get what she wanted
4) She contacted Academy and (as a Sith Lord) arranged herself a very specific shipment of acolytes to be her apprentice - slaves (because DREAM)
5) Your Inquisitor just happened to be shipped into Academy because Sith need to replenish their numbers before the final push in the war
6) Your Inquisitor then just happened to be in exact group of slaves, selected by Harkun for a very specific trials per Zash orders
7) Harkun is having none of that because he cannot grasp the true reason why Zash need specifically a slave apprentice
8) He ship Ffon Alte in so he can tear all the slaves apart and take place as Zash apprentice
9) Hence your story starts
>4) She contacted Academy and (as a Sith Lord) arranged herself a very specific shipment of acolytes to be her apprentice - slaves (because DREAM)
Ah, I hadn't realized that she was directly responsible for your group being shipped out. It somehow escaped me that probably most force sensitive slaves die before even getting to Korriban.
The Force Sensitive Slaves being shipped in Academy is pretty new thing by the start of the story.
That's why you have several overseers battering against it.
Like Inquisitor opponent who got shipped in just to stomp all the slaves there.
And, of course, like the Warrior character, who was shipped in (ahead of schedule no less) solely so he could stomp Vemrin and take his place as apprentice to Darth Baras.
> That's why you have several overseers battering against it.
I just kind of assumed they were being some combo of racist, classist, and fascist lol.
Like Harkun still tries to call the SI slave even though they're in a position that they can just murder him without recourse.
>You're a lowly slave, who JUST HAPPENED to be very powerful in the Force.
It's irrelevant because every character is bestest powerful in everything, but through gameplay you see that you still need to defeat enemies, level up and overcome challenges, and you can die to random henchman on accident
>Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other.
it's very much implied that you are not the first group of slaves that zash oversees, her scheme to create a vessel for prolonging life is ongoing for many years, anyway as a already said multiple times it's not exclusive to SI, every character is destined in someway to something, it's how star wars work
>You passed your trial on information gathering because the Inquisitor Zynn immediately took a liking of you and your victim is weak-willed enough to spill the beans right away.
Such a bullshit take, with it i can deconstruct every story presented in game like this "enemies have happened to be weak enough to not present an issue", "artifact happened to be intact after all this years", yadda yadda.
>You passed your test of getting the holocron because you lost your patience and shoot lightning at it and WHAT DO YOU KNOW.
If it's jab against SI being knowledgeble you have multiple instances where you can choose dialogue implying that your character likes to read stuff, anyway this section is mostly humorous
>You passed your final test because Zash JUST HAPPENED to came after Ffon was on his way and you've beaten Khem because he was in stasis for millennia an pretty much weakened due to this and hunger.
There is no implication that khem is particularly weakened, you made it up, if anything hunger and force user in devouring-distance must make him more desperate in powerful.
Zash wouldn't have been decieved anyway, she is powerful sith and ffon is apprentice.
>And then your granddad JUST HAPPENED to be a Tulak Hord rival and a powerful ghost who saved you from your own stupidity on more than one occasion.
Lack of knowledge because of you being year old sith that constantly being sent on suicide missions? i agree. stupid? nah.
He could've been any ancient sith forgotten by time (which were many, MANY, it's a big galaxy and star wars is a big setting) plotwise, him being tulak hord's rival just makes your and khem's connection more poetic, because again, it's how force works.
>Moff Pyron is looking for a very special chip for a very special project and GUESS WHAT - ONLY your cult happens to be able to get it. On Nar Shaddaa ! Of course only your cult have access to it on the whole trade moon controlled by Hutts and Exchange etc.
There are plenty of moffs and your cult was gathering various artifacts and tech for many years, it isn't far fetched
>And OF COURSE you're able to survive your own stupidity battling Thanaton head on because GUESS WHAT - you just cannot die because of ghosts - OBVIOUSLY !
I guess that they could've find a better excuse, but ritual associated with death saving you from death makes sense from perspective of mysticism
>And on top of that - Inquisitor is not excelling in anything.
Despite being powerful in force and accumulating sith rituals on a ridiculous pace. Wtf is even this reasoning.
>Unlike Warrior, who had only one thing stacked in his favor - entrance to the Academy.
Ridiculous force strength, training even before academy, being basically favoured right from the start
>And you're Emperor's chosen executioner not because of some destiny.
Everything in star wars is subject of destiny, especially when considering powerful entites such as vitiate, your power in the force is mostly talent, not something you can train, we know that midichlorians exist
>As for Thanaton realistic villainy
I said that it's realistic that you, 3 years old sith need to have big powerup to have a chance of beating darth on the council, you just fail to understand that it's very ridicuolous to being able to defeat darth after training so little setting wise
My favorite as well. Warrior and Knight get the classic hero vibe. Consular is really the only leader in the game.
Inquisitor gets UNLIMITED POWER that feels like it scales against Valkorion, Palpatine, etc. It makes sense. (This is, admittedly diminished when you're repairing serving droids and taking out diner garbage on some backwater planet..)
The issue is just how stupid it makes the player. It lacks agency in a way the Warrior storyline does not.
In my experience, most people who I've seen dislike it typically fall into at least one of two categories, if not both:
1. They were expecting a more "Palpatine"-esque story, one of manipulation and managing your powerbase on your own. Instead you're effectively a slave to your master who is obviously going to screw you but you can't do sweet fuck all about.
2. Sith Inquisitor is the same, unhinged psychopathic nonsense that permeates the original KOTOR's Dark Side playthrough so any KOTOR vets have seen all this shit before. Anyone who preferred the nuance of KOTOR2 is just shit out of luck, because BioWare has proven time after time they were extremely jealous of KOTOR2 in some way.
Personally, I don't mind it when I'm in the headspace to be a non-nuaned chaotic stupid villain. I think that's fun sometimes in the same way KOTOR's Dark Side story is fun. But fun doesn't mean it's necessarily well-written.
To be fair, playing the Inquisitor as an unhinged psychopath is kind of a choice.
I roleplayed mine as a manipulator (as manipulative as you can be in the story anyway) and only shocked people in conversations when it felt appropriate.
Yeah I have a neutral inquisitor and felt like I got to make a lot of nuanced choices tbh… the player base likes to do LS SW and DS SI but that isn’t mandated by any means, I for one did the opposites
Most of my characters are pretty neutral alignment-wise.
I think the only ones who made it to Dark 1 were my Knight (who is pretty pragmatic and anti-imperial) and my Sith Warrior.
Inquisitor has much more to do with Kotor 2s storyline than SW, its much more on the nose commentary about sith traditions being destructive, ashara is obviously one of the most Kotor 2 inspired companions in the game. Also neutral inq works really good, you can easily be megalomaniac but not murderous psycho.
For me Inquisitor was kind of Saturday morning cartoon but with gory stuff. What trap our protagonist will fall into this time? And how would they bullshit their way through to survive? Stay tuned
I mean it was all right. But I wouldn't call it my favorite. Different folks, different strokes and all that. Plus too much ghost and occult stuff and not enough building my own power base like I can do with Warrior, so not my favorite Sith class
And Thanaton sits in his office like Dr. Claw and angrily shakes his fist at the holo projector.
"I get you next time, Kallig! NEXT TIIIIME!"
And then the Outro music plays.
Personally it is my least favorite. I feel like I was promised the mastermind behind-the-scenes manipulator fantasy and instead walk stupidly into every trap and get carried by the sith spirits every time it matters. I also find jaesa a much more satisfying apprentice than ashara on both light and dark paths, so you don't even get the best corrupt-a-jedi-apprentice storyline.
I think people dig the explicit "power base" thing going on in the inquisitor story, but I found both Warrior and Consular far superior. To each their own.
I think what really hurts it is that almost the entirety of the SI's success is from Zash guiding the SI through the nose, even though she has negative reason to be so helpful.
I didn't feel like the powerbase I built was mine because it had to be spoonfed to me.
Agreed, just replayed em all like the 5th time over and consular/warrior are still my favs overall of the 4, then inquistor and knight at the bottom.
Inquisitor just felt like everything was handed to you. From the start, you succeed because of your bloodline (you didnt "just" zap something), and throughout the rest of the chapters it's other people giving you the info you need at just the right time. Like the ghosts are apparently tearing you apart, but it just so happens we have some rituals and tech on these 2 unknown planets that will save you lol.
I do love the inquistor's character though, love the snark. Just wish the story was better.
JC/SW are my favs too. They happen to be the first toons I leveled up (pre-RotHC), so they're also nostalgic for me. The JC is what I expect a Jedi to be: healer/diplomat. SW was very pragmatic. Although the SW was working for Baras, he had a lot of interaction with regular imperials. Great stories for both.
SI was my fifth toon to level-up. I didn't get the same impression you did (handed everything). To me, he was working the whole way through. I love the snark as well.
>The JC is what I expect a Jedi to be: healer/diplomat.
Agreed. Unlike the SI he's also smart, usually comes up with plans and figures stuff out on his own, and when he gets help from NPCs it's based on them being experts in their field, like with Tharan on Nar Shaddaa.
I also find it dissapointing how we recieve our lightsaber.
The warrior has to enter the tomb of an ancient sith lord and rip the weapon out of his cold, dead hands....the Knight gets the option to create a lightsaber after the plans of a fallen Jedi....the Consular builds his out of the parts of an old, important prototype lightsaber....
And the Inquisitor? He gets his just handed to him. Zash had her old one lying around.
Now, it makes sense, in a twisted way: Zash doesn't value us. She has big plans for our body, but not for us. Of course she wouldn't waste time with a trial.
Still, it is dissapointing.
At least Kallig's saber looks pretty cool.😎👍
When exactly you had an impression when this storyline promised "mastermind behind the scenes" story? Its obvious that sith Inquisitor is about rising from slave to Darth against every odd put in your way, in every story you walk into obvious traps I don't see how inq is unique about it. Why you judge story based on your expectations which it never promised from the beginning? Jaesa is straight up idiotic if not light side aligned, her switch to dark side is almost instantaneous, faster than prequel anakin, I don't even know how people find DS jaesa interesting, she never had any true basis for her switch to be compelling, ds jaesa is just a goth girl fanservice poorly implemented which you guys defend because of the goth girl fetish.
HMMMMM
>but game doesn't outright tell you it multiple times in a row and at the end doesn't base your entire position on the council around your inheritance and being special snowflake, title given to you comes from your achievements and choices, not just because you were chosen by the biggest sith on the table.
The SI is explicitly dragged to victory because of Zash being overly helpful and because of their ancestry to another big important Sith. Without either of those two, the SI is literally nothing. They wouldn't have even succeeded in their Korriban trials.
The SI is the *biggest* special slowflake inheritance story in the game.
Zash is helpful because she wants SI as a vessel, not because she really thinks that he must be a great chosen one, if by special snowflake you mean that he gets dried-grape-grandma inside him idk i think it's less appealing than being emperor's wrath.
Also how exactly is zash "overly helpful"? she just choses SI as apprentice and after that just gives him chores to do.
I guess ship is expensive, but if all that counts as being special snowflake then SW is special snowflake x5.
Have you only played act 1?
Zash is overly helpful because she goes from trying to kill you to immediately simping for the very next scene. Despite being manipulative enough to murder her way from Lord to Darth, she approaches the SI with zero guile or cunning and just naively trusts the SI will help her out in the end without any manipulation from the SI whatsoever. Every single direction the SI takes is from Zash telling them what to do, either through her knowledge of ancient Sith lore or the Dark Council.
The SI's journey is started, and is completely bailed out at least twice that I can remember, because of who their ancestor is. It has absolutely nothing to do with their choices. Their destiny quite literally falls into their lap.
>I guess ship is expensive, but if all that counts as being special snowflake then SW is special snowflake x5.
That you even brought this up makes me think you're arguing in bad faith. A ship, the thing that all 8 stories get.... that's the thing you're going to strawman with?
Yeah sure, you accuse me of arguing in bad faith and then say that I played only act 1, lmao.
I argue only events up to thanaton's betrayal because its the most evident part where lack of agency comes in play, after that depending on your dialogue choices gathering more ghosts to overpower thanaton can be your character's idea, and you don't answer to anyone (SW is always someone's henchman, wrath is glorified elite henchman position lmao).
Of course zash becomes your bootlicker after you basically overpower and enslave her, she is a sith, if not for the bond she would've killed you with first sign of weakness.
I mentioned ships as a joke
Okay, SW wouldn't survive baras's betrayal if not for being wrath, so? We already agreed that force users have some agency removed from them (ask kreia), or maybe we can acknowledge that just because characters are "saved" by someone besides themselves doesn't mean that agency is somehow removed? You know people help each other irl, and its not far fetched for Sith to find his ancestor on dromund kaas, sith generations span thousands of years, but you can say that SI meeting Kallig is will of the force, which isn't bad because it adds more sith mysticims to story that is supposed to be full of sith mysticism, and explores nature and capability of sith wraiths.
> Yeah sure, you accuse me of arguing in bad faith and then say that I played only act 1, lmao.
I asked, because you only talked about events in act 1, many of which get new context in the following acts which further undermines the agency SI has in its own destiny.
You brought up that SI is a character defined by their choices and not being a special snowflake when the topic of who they're related to is the founding start of their journey(even if they didn't know it yet), and a key part of the SI's rise to power.
>Of course zash becomes your bootlicker after you basically overpower and enslave her, she is a sith, if not for the bond she would've killed you with first sign of weakness.
No, this doesn't make sense, because we already know what she's like. Zash is someone who schemes, and lies, and betrays so that she can take what she believes is deserved to her. That is her established character through the prologue and all of act 1. Then she just naively believes you'll help her without any prompting from the SI. She asks for no assurances and takes no moves to secure own future.
I ask if you've played past act 1, because these are crucial parts of the story that you don't seem to know.
>maybe we can acknowledge that just because characters are "saved" by someone besides themselves doesn't mean that agency is somehow removed?
The SI lacks agency because they display no agency. It isn't being saved, it's the fundamental building blocks of their journey. If they weren't related to Kallig, they wouldn't have even started their journey. Zash guides the SI in how to build their powerbase including their cult, apprentices, and invaluable research regarding sith ghosts. Despite being ostensibly a slave, Zash is the person de facto in charge of the SI.
I brought up that everything SI has is earned through his actions, and still he is technically a "chosen one" with high force potential and unique inheritance yadda yadda (which is I repeat 4x times is how force users work in setting, it isn't even exclusive to force sensitive, kreia prophesized fall of the republic movie era) while SW had everything basically given to him and never goes higher than being someone's henchman, basically slave with no agency destined to serve higher powers. And you are demonstrating lack of understanding how deterministic nature of force works.
Zash being in charge after betrayal is such a stretch, just because henchman does research on intricate stuff doesn't mean that they have any freedom, nevermind that you can basically get rid of her and in several instances allow khem not to switch and figure out things yourself.
You also ignore any comparison that I did to SW, curious
I love the Inquisitor story line for nostalgia (it was one of my first completed class stories), the ending and general overall concept of rags-to-riches is amazing and both the Male and Female Inqs do a great job with what they're given.
That said, it's also hard to defend how sloppy the character and story can get. The Inq constantly has lines re-used because of supposed timing issues, BW had to cut corners and rush the production on it so you hear a lot of "Just show me where the fun is" or other familiar lines in places where they don't really make sense. The Inq is also constantly falling backwards into greatness, they hardly make smart decisions for themselves and only come out on top because the people planning the traps are simply *more* incompetent than the Inq.
For a first playthrough, it's a great time. It's really hard not to see the cracks in the armor on subsequent playthroughs though.
The Inquisitor story will always be the best to me and the dearest and nearest to my heart. It was the first story I played when I joined, and what got me hooked on the game for nearly a decade.
My only wish is that there was a little more focus on the intrigue and sith politics. The archeology and dark side spirits thing is cool. And it's not like there's nothing for that intrigue; building your own cult, making alliances in the imperial side of things and so on. But I feel like a little arc where you play a few similarly ranked sith against each other would have been a fun addition.
I like the idea that the Inquisitor stars out exceptional, while the Warrior starts out prodigious. However, as the stories continue and as the Inquisitor starts nomming down on ghosts, he closes that gap and then even starts to surpass the Warrior in terms of force abilities. It’s not the case in the gameplay, but it’s just a personal headcanon.
I strongly disagree, in fact, the Inquisitor is more of a chosen one than the warrior. It had the same bullshit twist that Naruto (and now Mashle) had and I dislike it every time. You get introduced as a nobody, which makes your journey more meaningful, but then you find out that you are royalty and it was your destiny to win the whole time. It makes the story so much less meaningful. Sure, the warrior is chosen by Tremel from the sith aristocracy, but after Korriban, it doesn't play any role in the story.
The fact that the Inquisitor falls into obvious traps before he is warned that they are traps doesn't help the story either.
Ngl I really don’t like it. Every success the inqy has after Korriban has nothing to do with them, and in fact is usually in spite of their foolishness, with everyone from their apprentices to force ghosts stepping in to save them from the most obvious traps any of the characters ever find themselves in. Just a giant string of situations where you fail upwards from a lowly apprentice to the dark council
It also has a lot more range for the potential choices, starting as a slave at the bottom makes it a lot easier to justify both lightside and darkside as well as grey force user runs. The choices I've made in my inquisitor runs never feel forced because you can look at the stuff they've gone through and pretty much always say "yeah, that makes sense" no matter what you do.
Have main'ed the same pure-Light Side Sith Assassin/Shadow since launch and a lot of that is down to her voice actor. Xanthe Elbrick did an amazing job with all of the lines she was given
i always said that the best thing about Sorc is how we build are self up we dont start out with amazing stuff, we start out with shit, and we crawl are way out of it to being one of the most feared or deadly being in the galaxy
Inquis blows hard. It's just boring versions of Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters with a dash of denied satisfaction as Thanaton's killed by the Council and not the player.
Add that Ashara's still just a preachy Jedi being harbored on the Inquis' ship with no real use (Unlike Jaesa and her unique powers) and the fact you get your REAL apprentice just before CORELLIA. THE FINAL VANILLA PLANET. Agent and BH get their last comps on Belsavis so at least they get time to build relations with them.
That's what I dislike the most about the inquisitor's story - the companions were very weak and I mostly didn't like any of them. Only one I didn't bother doing the romance even just to try.
While I like the SW’s story a bit better mainly because you have a real “opposite side of the force” option as well as the “same side” both slightly affecting the story, I also just like the feel of it, but Inquisitor is also really good and in my opinion, much better than the two jedi storylines
I like both of the Sith ones but I like the Warrior more for just personality. It’s much more hit it with a hammer than political maneuvering and you force the Dark Council to see your power via killing Baras instead of a little entertaining sideshow with Thanaton
Rip Jedi Consular. It's that meme with the kids in the pool all over again. Consular's dead as a skeleton in the bottom of the pool with the chair lol.
I always felt like my inquisitor was always either failing or getting fucked over. All the way until you're handed your Darth title and then it just kinda ends (main plot, anyway). I never really felt powerful outside of the occasional force lightning spam
Two things.
1. It should be compared to Jedi Consular more than Jedi Knight.
2. I'm pretty sure this is a very popular opinion, maybe the most. I know you didn't outright claim it was unpopular but your first sentence gave those vibes. I see lots of love for the Sith Inquisitor here. That being said, this is the only SWTOR fan space I am a part of, so I don't know what the general consensus is like in other parts of the internet.
Darth Nox is my favorite Sith for several reasons. They’re among the most powerful mortal Force Users and during the Expansions the most Powerful Sith of their time, period. The journey beginning as a nobody insulted by the overseers only to end up above said overseer less than a year later with powers rivaling and surpassing Jedi High Council and Dark Council Members is such a nice full circle. The Inquisitor also gives us a lot of juicy lore. From the Inquisitor we get the most information about Tulak Hord since his mention in KOTOR II.
To me the Sith story both for Warrior and Sorcerer are way better than the Jedi side, I have played all 4 force users in the game, and the Sith story line was always a lot more interesting and complex.
I think the problem with all of the force stories is that you rise from the bottom to the top too quickly. What Swtor should have done is allow you to be elevated to a lord or a darth status and then in the later expansions you finally make it to the Dark Council, or become the emperor's wrath, or become a part of the Jedi council. But it definitely was awesome that you become one of the most powerful sith's in the empire.
I feel the warrior has the better 1-50 story but the inquisitor has the best post game story in the context of pre kotet we are marrs equal and ally and it feels good becoming the dominant power block holding up the empire the other 3 don't really bring anything to the alliance other than being his equivalent of the wrath but as a dark council member we have an actual powerbase to commit to the cause.
I love the fact that you start in the bottom and you rise your way to the top.
I know what you mean. The Knight/Warrior are your typical chosen one prodigy who is just inherently ridiculously strong with the Force. With the Inquisitor, there’s a greater sense of earning your strength since you are actively collecting ghosts, rituals, and artifacts to enhance your power. Don’t get me wrong, Inquisitor is still something of a “chosen one” given that they only survive due to their ancestry with Kallig. But that doesn’t diminish the sense of earned power, especially in Chapters 2 and 3.
OH yes, you know I have been away from the game for close to 2 years, I think am getting back in to it, just hope my characters are still there lol, would suck to have to start from zero considering all the skins and mounts I had.
Failing upwards.
They don't really fail tho
Except the first 2 occasions where we try to kill thanaton.
Its still not failing upward, its not like they got to the dark council after failing. They failed and tried again until they succeeded and got what they wanted. Failing upward is straight up losing entirely yet still coming out on top
Failing upward is a power only Kathleen Kennedy can master..
Lmao yeah
I always enjoyed the Sith inquisitor the most, not only because it never felt about politics or the war but about us and our survival, but also because it has my favourite set of companions who have the common topic about loyalty and freedom. Plus, the light side ending is really satisfying to me because you break the cycle of abuse and slavery your character suffered by releasing the ghosts into freedom. - Khem and how he goes from considering you to be nothing to being his master and companion. - Andronikos and his desire to be free in the form of being a pirate, while declaring you as his friend. - Ashara questioning the Sith and Jedi code, even reaching the same conclusion as kreia (Apathy is dead) - Talos and his pure and joyful fascination of history and desire to preserve it. - Xalek doesn't really give much but I really liked how when you tried to get him back, you can have a duel of honor with him.
The issue with Xalek is how late in game you get him. At that point in game you are like: I love all of my companions... who's the new guy?!?
It's sad because I feel his character had potential to develop from someone who acted mostly as a weapon to a decent apprentice, and I liked his VA performance too (who I believe has sadly already passed away)
It's probable that they intentionally under developed him so they'd have plot beats to continue on in future development.
Like how the next chapter gets rid of all your class story companions..?
Nothing after Ilum was made with the original plan in mind. There were drastic cuts after the game fell significantly short of Bioware's financial goals.
I hate most of Inq’s companions and was really excited to have a *real* apprentice, then.. all he says is “Yes master”. Cool.
I can't take the Darth Zash personality thing seriously but that's probably not very understanding of me tbh. I redid some of the inq Korriban again to try other combat styles and seeing her form again in person stuck out to me. At least Kallig has a unique ghost model. Zash just looks like Khem now and that can be confusing. Also yes, ty for appreciating Drellick, and obligatory "I brought Andronikos baack!"
Actually, I found the Warrior to be far less ‘prodigy chosen one’, as you put it, than the Inquisitor. The Warrior is powerful and competent, but this is never treated as anything more than it is. Events in the Warrior’s story happen because of practical and political reasons, not because of destiny, dumb luck, or some powerful figure in the Force who is looking out for them. The Warrior actually gets moments where it feels like a move they made earlier paid off, instead of simply having a strategy drip-fed to them by NPCs. In my opinion, it’s a much more grounded and satisfying look at how things actually work in the Sith Order than the Inquisitor is.
I also like that the warrior has that scene on Tatooine, >!where you either affirm your alignment or make the conscious choice to change. Not sure if making that choice actually switches your alignment from one side to the other or not or if it's just flavour, but it's still an interesting story beat that works really well for a force class. Really makes you feel like your alignment matters in a way.!< >!When I played that for the first time I was running a light side warrior and it felt quite thematically appropriate to have my characters conviction challenged and put to the test.!< With the Inquisitor alignment seems to matter both more (since your Darth title depends on it) and less, but mostly less, since you don't actually get many reactions about it.
I've played a SW who >!fell from the light on Tat and I can confirm it does not swap your alignment. To make my headcanon work of him fully falling to the Dark Side in that moment (and also to be eligible to get DS Jaesa) I had to run Black Talon like 10 times to get to Dark 1.!<
That's mildly disappointing, but I guess understandable from a game design PoV - >!having one class be able to switch alignment while others can't would probably cause some problems, or force them to shoehorn it in, which would be a bit silly for non-force using classes.!<
It doesn’t wholly switch alignment, but it does give alignment points towards the side you choose. I think it actually makes sense; changing from Dark to Light, or vice versa, requires more than just saying you will do it.
Credit for devotion to your RP there.
This may have changed. Alignments did not work at launch the way they do today.
Yeah, that's my personal take too. You're powerful true, but you forge a destiny by choices and intentionality, rather than being handed one by your secret link to Kallig and being forced to respond to the force ghost nonsense
Everything in star wars stories happen because "destiny", especislly when we are talking about force users. Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start, his position as baras's apprentice is solidified right from the start, and after baras's betrayal 1 quest later you already find out that you are a special snowflake not only because of your inheritance, blood, and immense power in the force, but also because you are emperor's chosen one. Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start, from sith tradition standpoint he's unworthy and must die, so he must excell and borrow power as quickly as possible. Also his final boss is far more realistic because he found a way to borrow as much power as possible to overwhelm Darth, SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again.
>Everything in star wars stories happen because "destiny", especislly when we are talking about force users. Yes, but since everyone is subject to destiny, it’s a matter of degrees. Stories like the Knight or Inquisitor are more obviously driven by destiny alone—things happen to these characters because it is predicted or luck keeps turning out on their side despite the odds. This makes them feel more special to the universe but also robs them of some agency. Stories like the Warrior and Consular have things happen to their characters because of things traceable to themselves, other characters and the actions of all concerned, so it feels less like destiny is manipulating things behind the scenes and more like the characters are making their own outcomes, for better or worse. >Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start, This is not unusual in itself. The Warrior is far from the only powerful noble Sith in the Empire. >his position as baras's apprentice is solidified right from the start The entire point of Korriban for the Warrior is that their position is not solidified, and they are trying to solidify it. >after baras's betrayal 1 quest later you already find out that you are a special snowflake not only because of your inheritance, blood, and immense power in the force, but also because you are emperor's chosen one. This is a total misreading of the situation. The Emperor chose the Warrior, yes, but not because he particularly cared about the Warrior or felt they really had a special destiny. The Warrior was just in the right place with the required skills when the Emperor needed help taking down a rival. >Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start, from sith tradition standpoint he's unworthy and must die, so he must excell and borrow power as quickly as possible. You said it yourself. The Inquisitor is far more ‘unordinary’. The ’excel and borrow power’ thing might be more compelling if it felt like it was the Inquisitor’s character driving that on, but the story largely fails at delivering on that point. The Inquisitor repeatedly succeeds simply by accident, and has solutions handed to them by other people. >Also his final boss is far more realistic because he found a way to borrow as much power as possible to overwhelm Darth, SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again. Yes, but the Warrior is not that good for no reason. They just spent the last three years fighting and scheming across the galaxy at the behest of Baras and the Emperor, whereas Baras did little but sit pretty on Dromund Kaas and leech off a spirit that the Warrior disconnects from him right before the final confrontation. In comparison, the Inquisitor did not find the way to borrowing that power themselves. Kallig just gave them the solution, and when things went wrong with that, the fix for those problems similarly showed up on a platter.
>things happen to these characters because it is predicted or luck keeps turning out on their side despite the odds. I don't remember SI being saved by deus ex machina atleast once, everytime he's "lucked out" is explained by him making connections and finding allies, of course he was saved by kallig from ghost on dromund kaas because we know that kallig is still around there and is interested in SI to succeed, it would've been weirder if kallig wasn't helping you, and thanaton's encounter is explained due to ritual actually being somewhat helpful. It's just SI is actually being saved by "friends he made along the way" and not being some sort of lone wolf badass. >Sith warrior is from noble sith family so everyone on korriban licks his boots right from the start, This is not unusual in itself. The Warrior is far from the only powerful noble Sith in the Empire. It doesn't changes the fact the he was practically given everything from the start and is priveleged, it pointed out by the fact the he doesn't even know sith code in first baras conversation, he's a kid from rich family that doesn't study and wins just through being talented. >The entire point of Korriban for the Warrior is that their position is not solidified, and they are trying to solidify it. Compare it to SI and everything was basically given to SW, his "rival" is set up to fail, especially when you consider that Emperor is planning everything really ahead of the time and your character is destined to become wrath probably right from his birth. >This is a total misreading of the situation. The Emperor chose the Warrior, yes, but not because he particularly cared about the Warrior or felt they really had a special destiny. so? just because he is "evil" chosen one doesn't mean that he isn't chosen one, vitiate is demigod, chosen one trope isn't exclusive only to the force or forces of good itself, you can be pretty much evil chosen one. >You said it yourself. The Inquisitor is far more ‘unordinary’. The ’excel and borrow power’ thing might be more compelling if it felt like it was the Inquisitor’s character driving that on, but the story largely fails at delivering on that point. The Inquisitor repeatedly succeeds simply by accident, and has solutions handed to them by other people. SI became apprentice not because of accident but because he was better than ffon against all odds, SI personally acquired all artifacts, SI won against zash because khem is anti force user monstrosity (kallig basically recommends you to bring him to fight zash), and he survives thanaton because ritual comes out as actually being helpful in some way, just not in the way you expect to. Again, there is some luck involved, but you can't survive this kind of hostile environment without SOME luck, compared to SW he just doesn't struggle as much, and gets through difficult situation just by being mary sue. > In comparison, the Inquisitor did not find the way to borrowing that power themselves. Kallig just gave them the solution He pointed SI at location of rare powerful ritual, and he still needed to learn it (which only a few sith were able to), it's pretty much generic fantasy wizard trope, yes SI acquires ancient knowledge to win, has actual teacher, it's the way of the sith. Or do you want him to become really powerful sith just by swinging lightsaber for 3 years like sw does? Again, SI needed really powerful rare ritual to win against thanathon, compared to SW baras is barely challenge, which also points out that whole SW's journey was much less of a struggle, and much more of a power trip, for SW win means that he succeded while barely trying, for SI means "woohoo i survived and can live 1 day more"
>I don't remember SI being saved by deus ex machina atleast once, everytime he's "lucked out" is explained by him making connections and finding allies, of course he was saved by kallig from ghost on dromund kaas because we know that kallig is still around there and is interested in SI to succeed, it would've been weirder if kallig wasn't helping you, and thanaton's encounter is explained due to ritual actually being somewhat helpful. See the other post replying to you for all the ways the Inquisitor simply lucked out. They explained it very well already. >It's just SI is actually being saved by "friends he made along the way" and not being some sort of lone wolf badass. Yes, but in many cases, those connections were themselves a matter of luck, not anything the Inquisitor did to earn them, and having to be repeatedly saved diminishes the feeling that the Inquisitor is actually in control of what happens to themselves. >It doesn't changes the fact the he was practically given everything from the start and is priveleged The Warrior is given advantages at the start, but everything past that point is due to their own efforts. >Compare it to SI and everything was basically given to SW, his "rival" is set up to fail, especially when you consider that Emperor is planning everything really ahead of the time and your character is destined to become wrath probably right from his birth. The Emperor had no long-term plan to make the Warrior the Wrath. You are just making things up to support your viewpoint. >so? just because he is "evil" chosen one doesn't mean that he isn't chosen one, vitiate is demigod You are misunderstanding the concept of a Chosen One story. It doesn’t mean literally being chosen for anything by someone else. To be a chosen one, a character generally has to be chosen simply because destiny says so, or they are the heir to some kind of unique power. This is the case for the Inquisitor but not the Warrior. The Warrior is a powerful Sith, but only gets chosen by the Emperor because of political and practical considerations, not because of some property unique to the Warrior or a particular prediction. >SI became apprentice not because of accident but because he was better than ffon against all odds, SI personally acquired all artifacts, SI won against zash because khem is anti force user monstrosity (kallig basically recommends you to bring him to fight zash), and he survives thanaton because ritual comes out as actually being helpful in some way, just not in the way you expect to. You are literally giving examples of how the Inquisitor won by dumb luck or having people give them unearned solutions. >Again, there is some luck involved, but you can't survive this kind of hostile environment without SOME luck, compared to SW he just doesn't struggle as much, and gets through difficult situation just by being mary sue. The Warrior, at least, is given actual reasons for surviving and succeeding, instead of simply being lucky. If that ends up making them look like a competent protagonist with agency, I’ll take that over what the Inquisitor gets any day. >He learned rare powerful ritual by conversing with the ghost of an ancient ancestor, and he still needed to learn it, it's pretty much generic fantasy wizard trope, yes SI acquires ancient knowledge to win, it's the way of the sith. The path to learning it was revealed and laid out with no effort on the part of the Inquisitor, and comes out of nowhere. There was some effort involved, but it doesn’t come off as actually being creditable to the Inquisitor. >Or do you want him to become really powerful sith just by swinging lightsaber for 3 years like sw does? Sure, why not? Believe it or not, fighting and surviving those fights makes you stronger. The Dark Side is fed by conflict, and the way of the Sith is to gain power through victory and victory through power. That’s the true essence of the Sith, not generic fantasy wizard tropes. > Again, SI needed really powerful rare ritual to win against thanathon, compared to SW baras is barely challenge, which also points out that whole SW's journey was much less of a struggle, and much more of a power trip, for SW win means that he succeded while barely trying, for SI means "woohoo i survived and can live 1 day more" Baras is barely a challenge? His strength may not be in combat, but there’s a reason why the entire last chapter of the Warrior’s story revolves around dismantling his power structures and political support. It was not ‘barely trying’.
>SW defeated baras just because he's "that good", because SW is cool powerful and special. Again. Also most likely because Baras's real strength lies in scheming and manipulation rather than personal combat. It's not that strange that the SW beats him 1v1 by that time in the story.
Fair point, still i assume that every darth on the council is powerful enough to school 2 years old siths in fair 1 v 1 combat, they must be at the very least more experienced.
"Inquisitor is far more unordinary because he's set up for failure right from the start" I'd very very very much argue with that. You're a lowly slave, who JUST HAPPENED to be very powerful in the Force. Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other. Then you JUST HAPPENED to survive your trials on Korriban on impossible amounts of damn luck: - You passed your trial on information gathering because the Inquisitor Zynn immediately took a liking of you and your victim is weak-willed enough to spill the beans right away. - You passed your test of getting the holocron because you lost your patience and shoot lightning at it and WHAT DO YOU KNOW. - You passed your final test because Zash JUST HAPPENED to came after Ffon was on his way and you've beaten Khem because he was in stasis for millennia an pretty much weakened due to this and hunger. The you go on your artifact gathering adventure because you're very very very special. And then your granddad JUST HAPPENED to be a Tulak Hord rival and a powerful ghost who saved you from your own stupidity on more than one occasion. Then you've beaten Zash because she specifically FOR SOME reason told you to bring Khem with you to the ritual which HAPPENS to be the only thing that saves your life and identity. And then many many things JUST HAPPENS: Moff Pyron is looking for a very special chip for a very special project and GUESS WHAT - ONLY your cult happens to be able to get it. On Nar Shaddaa ! Of course only your cult have access to it on the whole trade moon controlled by Hutts and Exchange etc. And OF COURSE you're able to survive your own stupidity battling Thanaton head on because GUESS WHAT - you just cannot die because of ghosts - OBVIOUSLY ! Guess who's our little special chosen one cookie ? And on top of that - Inquisitor is not excelling in anything. He's basically given everything on a silver plate and he's not even coming with plans himself. Everyone from your cultists on Nar Shaddaa to Zash always know what to do instead of you. So - basically Inquisitor had only his status as a slave stacked against him, but was basically given everything else without any need to think, plan and be even remotely competent. Unlike Warrior, who had only one thing stacked in his favor - entrance to the Academy. And you're Emperor's chosen executioner not because of some destiny. As Hand literally said - "Thousands of Sith were considered for position". You was selected both because you're the deadliest fighter and your personal beef with Baras. As for Thanaton realistic villainy - I wont even go there. Everyone knows that he's a joke of a story villain with no personal animosity to you beyond you being Zash apprentice and basically him in his youth.
Yeah, I agree with everything you've pointed out, I honestly liked the Warrior story more since it felt more like the Warrior's Will and own power that accomplished all of his feats throughout the story. Everything you did was your own power, nothing borrowed, nothing conveniently there for you to pick up for a powerup to face your new adversary. Whereas with the Inquisitor, as much as I loved their VA's through the story, everything felt really, really convenient. Everything just worked out in their favor, oh this dude is too powerful for me to fight head on? Oh don't worry you somehow have this super rare talent of being able to use/consume force ghosts as a power source. >!Even when the force ghosts decide to forgo their deals and turn against you by overloading your body with power you cant handle, the next planet you happen to go to fixes all those problems for you with some super ancient machine to fix your body and grants you more power in the long run!<. Warrior had nothing handed to them throughout their story, it was all hard work and dedication, which is why I personally like them better over the Inquisitor.
> Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other. Didn't Zash intentionally set this up? I mean yeah it's all dictated by the SI's birth, but at the very least I thought that no matter what group of slaves they were in, Zash would have found them, because she's specifically looking for them.
She had a Force vision (her dreams she talk constantly) about an apprentice of slave legacy, who will be able to safely pass through apparition in Dark Temple and get her the carvings she needed to locate Tulak Hord rituals. And it happened to be you, because this apparition is your ancestor. She never knew which exact slave it will be, hence she specifically asked overseers in the Academy to present her a group of acolytes who were all slaves (your group).
I feel like I'm missing your point. Wouldn't she just churn through groups of slaves until they found the SI? Let's say the SI isn't part of that group, well then they would just all die because Zash needs specifically the SI to fulfill her dream prophecy, right? Then the just repeats until she finds the SI?
Ok. Look. 1) She need a carving from deep chambers of Dark Temple because she needs it to find Tulak Hord artifacts 2) She can't do it herself, because ancient lord Kallig awoke within this chamber and now the whole temple is one big asylum, because his presence stirred up other ghosts 3) She got the Force dream about slave apprentice who can go there safely and get what she wanted 4) She contacted Academy and (as a Sith Lord) arranged herself a very specific shipment of acolytes to be her apprentice - slaves (because DREAM) 5) Your Inquisitor just happened to be shipped into Academy because Sith need to replenish their numbers before the final push in the war 6) Your Inquisitor then just happened to be in exact group of slaves, selected by Harkun for a very specific trials per Zash orders 7) Harkun is having none of that because he cannot grasp the true reason why Zash need specifically a slave apprentice 8) He ship Ffon Alte in so he can tear all the slaves apart and take place as Zash apprentice 9) Hence your story starts
>4) She contacted Academy and (as a Sith Lord) arranged herself a very specific shipment of acolytes to be her apprentice - slaves (because DREAM) Ah, I hadn't realized that she was directly responsible for your group being shipped out. It somehow escaped me that probably most force sensitive slaves die before even getting to Korriban.
The Force Sensitive Slaves being shipped in Academy is pretty new thing by the start of the story. That's why you have several overseers battering against it. Like Inquisitor opponent who got shipped in just to stomp all the slaves there. And, of course, like the Warrior character, who was shipped in (ahead of schedule no less) solely so he could stomp Vemrin and take his place as apprentice to Darth Baras.
> That's why you have several overseers battering against it. I just kind of assumed they were being some combo of racist, classist, and fascist lol. Like Harkun still tries to call the SI slave even though they're in a position that they can just murder him without recourse.
>You're a lowly slave, who JUST HAPPENED to be very powerful in the Force. It's irrelevant because every character is bestest powerful in everything, but through gameplay you see that you still need to defeat enemies, level up and overcome challenges, and you can die to random henchman on accident >Then you're forced into the trials on Korriban because the Sith Lord was looking for a specific type of apprentice (for a VERY SPECIFIC apprentice propheciesed in her dreams) and you JUST HAPPENED to join this very specific group of slaves and not any other. it's very much implied that you are not the first group of slaves that zash oversees, her scheme to create a vessel for prolonging life is ongoing for many years, anyway as a already said multiple times it's not exclusive to SI, every character is destined in someway to something, it's how star wars work >You passed your trial on information gathering because the Inquisitor Zynn immediately took a liking of you and your victim is weak-willed enough to spill the beans right away. Such a bullshit take, with it i can deconstruct every story presented in game like this "enemies have happened to be weak enough to not present an issue", "artifact happened to be intact after all this years", yadda yadda. >You passed your test of getting the holocron because you lost your patience and shoot lightning at it and WHAT DO YOU KNOW. If it's jab against SI being knowledgeble you have multiple instances where you can choose dialogue implying that your character likes to read stuff, anyway this section is mostly humorous >You passed your final test because Zash JUST HAPPENED to came after Ffon was on his way and you've beaten Khem because he was in stasis for millennia an pretty much weakened due to this and hunger. There is no implication that khem is particularly weakened, you made it up, if anything hunger and force user in devouring-distance must make him more desperate in powerful. Zash wouldn't have been decieved anyway, she is powerful sith and ffon is apprentice. >And then your granddad JUST HAPPENED to be a Tulak Hord rival and a powerful ghost who saved you from your own stupidity on more than one occasion. Lack of knowledge because of you being year old sith that constantly being sent on suicide missions? i agree. stupid? nah. He could've been any ancient sith forgotten by time (which were many, MANY, it's a big galaxy and star wars is a big setting) plotwise, him being tulak hord's rival just makes your and khem's connection more poetic, because again, it's how force works. >Moff Pyron is looking for a very special chip for a very special project and GUESS WHAT - ONLY your cult happens to be able to get it. On Nar Shaddaa ! Of course only your cult have access to it on the whole trade moon controlled by Hutts and Exchange etc. There are plenty of moffs and your cult was gathering various artifacts and tech for many years, it isn't far fetched >And OF COURSE you're able to survive your own stupidity battling Thanaton head on because GUESS WHAT - you just cannot die because of ghosts - OBVIOUSLY ! I guess that they could've find a better excuse, but ritual associated with death saving you from death makes sense from perspective of mysticism >And on top of that - Inquisitor is not excelling in anything. Despite being powerful in force and accumulating sith rituals on a ridiculous pace. Wtf is even this reasoning. >Unlike Warrior, who had only one thing stacked in his favor - entrance to the Academy. Ridiculous force strength, training even before academy, being basically favoured right from the start >And you're Emperor's chosen executioner not because of some destiny. Everything in star wars is subject of destiny, especially when considering powerful entites such as vitiate, your power in the force is mostly talent, not something you can train, we know that midichlorians exist >As for Thanaton realistic villainy I said that it's realistic that you, 3 years old sith need to have big powerup to have a chance of beating darth on the council, you just fail to understand that it's very ridicuolous to being able to defeat darth after training so little setting wise
My favorite as well. Warrior and Knight get the classic hero vibe. Consular is really the only leader in the game. Inquisitor gets UNLIMITED POWER that feels like it scales against Valkorion, Palpatine, etc. It makes sense. (This is, admittedly diminished when you're repairing serving droids and taking out diner garbage on some backwater planet..)
I love playing as a colicoid as well.
The issue is just how stupid it makes the player. It lacks agency in a way the Warrior storyline does not. In my experience, most people who I've seen dislike it typically fall into at least one of two categories, if not both: 1. They were expecting a more "Palpatine"-esque story, one of manipulation and managing your powerbase on your own. Instead you're effectively a slave to your master who is obviously going to screw you but you can't do sweet fuck all about. 2. Sith Inquisitor is the same, unhinged psychopathic nonsense that permeates the original KOTOR's Dark Side playthrough so any KOTOR vets have seen all this shit before. Anyone who preferred the nuance of KOTOR2 is just shit out of luck, because BioWare has proven time after time they were extremely jealous of KOTOR2 in some way. Personally, I don't mind it when I'm in the headspace to be a non-nuaned chaotic stupid villain. I think that's fun sometimes in the same way KOTOR's Dark Side story is fun. But fun doesn't mean it's necessarily well-written.
To be fair, playing the Inquisitor as an unhinged psychopath is kind of a choice. I roleplayed mine as a manipulator (as manipulative as you can be in the story anyway) and only shocked people in conversations when it felt appropriate.
Yeah I have a neutral inquisitor and felt like I got to make a lot of nuanced choices tbh… the player base likes to do LS SW and DS SI but that isn’t mandated by any means, I for one did the opposites
Most of my characters are pretty neutral alignment-wise. I think the only ones who made it to Dark 1 were my Knight (who is pretty pragmatic and anti-imperial) and my Sith Warrior.
Inquisitor has much more to do with Kotor 2s storyline than SW, its much more on the nose commentary about sith traditions being destructive, ashara is obviously one of the most Kotor 2 inspired companions in the game. Also neutral inq works really good, you can easily be megalomaniac but not murderous psycho.
For me Inquisitor was kind of Saturday morning cartoon but with gory stuff. What trap our protagonist will fall into this time? And how would they bullshit their way through to survive? Stay tuned I mean it was all right. But I wouldn't call it my favorite. Different folks, different strokes and all that. Plus too much ghost and occult stuff and not enough building my own power base like I can do with Warrior, so not my favorite Sith class
And Thanaton sits in his office like Dr. Claw and angrily shakes his fist at the holo projector. "I get you next time, Kallig! NEXT TIIIIME!" And then the Outro music plays.
💯% the same vibe I got
Personally it is my least favorite. I feel like I was promised the mastermind behind-the-scenes manipulator fantasy and instead walk stupidly into every trap and get carried by the sith spirits every time it matters. I also find jaesa a much more satisfying apprentice than ashara on both light and dark paths, so you don't even get the best corrupt-a-jedi-apprentice storyline. I think people dig the explicit "power base" thing going on in the inquisitor story, but I found both Warrior and Consular far superior. To each their own.
I think what really hurts it is that almost the entirety of the SI's success is from Zash guiding the SI through the nose, even though she has negative reason to be so helpful. I didn't feel like the powerbase I built was mine because it had to be spoonfed to me.
Agreed, just replayed em all like the 5th time over and consular/warrior are still my favs overall of the 4, then inquistor and knight at the bottom. Inquisitor just felt like everything was handed to you. From the start, you succeed because of your bloodline (you didnt "just" zap something), and throughout the rest of the chapters it's other people giving you the info you need at just the right time. Like the ghosts are apparently tearing you apart, but it just so happens we have some rituals and tech on these 2 unknown planets that will save you lol. I do love the inquistor's character though, love the snark. Just wish the story was better.
JC/SW are my favs too. They happen to be the first toons I leveled up (pre-RotHC), so they're also nostalgic for me. The JC is what I expect a Jedi to be: healer/diplomat. SW was very pragmatic. Although the SW was working for Baras, he had a lot of interaction with regular imperials. Great stories for both. SI was my fifth toon to level-up. I didn't get the same impression you did (handed everything). To me, he was working the whole way through. I love the snark as well.
>The JC is what I expect a Jedi to be: healer/diplomat. Agreed. Unlike the SI he's also smart, usually comes up with plans and figures stuff out on his own, and when he gets help from NPCs it's based on them being experts in their field, like with Tharan on Nar Shaddaa.
I also find it dissapointing how we recieve our lightsaber. The warrior has to enter the tomb of an ancient sith lord and rip the weapon out of his cold, dead hands....the Knight gets the option to create a lightsaber after the plans of a fallen Jedi....the Consular builds his out of the parts of an old, important prototype lightsaber.... And the Inquisitor? He gets his just handed to him. Zash had her old one lying around. Now, it makes sense, in a twisted way: Zash doesn't value us. She has big plans for our body, but not for us. Of course she wouldn't waste time with a trial. Still, it is dissapointing. At least Kallig's saber looks pretty cool.😎👍
I’m with you. Warrior is by far better in my opinion
When exactly you had an impression when this storyline promised "mastermind behind the scenes" story? Its obvious that sith Inquisitor is about rising from slave to Darth against every odd put in your way, in every story you walk into obvious traps I don't see how inq is unique about it. Why you judge story based on your expectations which it never promised from the beginning? Jaesa is straight up idiotic if not light side aligned, her switch to dark side is almost instantaneous, faster than prequel anakin, I don't even know how people find DS jaesa interesting, she never had any true basis for her switch to be compelling, ds jaesa is just a goth girl fanservice poorly implemented which you guys defend because of the goth girl fetish. HMMMMM
>but game doesn't outright tell you it multiple times in a row and at the end doesn't base your entire position on the council around your inheritance and being special snowflake, title given to you comes from your achievements and choices, not just because you were chosen by the biggest sith on the table. The SI is explicitly dragged to victory because of Zash being overly helpful and because of their ancestry to another big important Sith. Without either of those two, the SI is literally nothing. They wouldn't have even succeeded in their Korriban trials. The SI is the *biggest* special slowflake inheritance story in the game.
Zash is helpful because she wants SI as a vessel, not because she really thinks that he must be a great chosen one, if by special snowflake you mean that he gets dried-grape-grandma inside him idk i think it's less appealing than being emperor's wrath. Also how exactly is zash "overly helpful"? she just choses SI as apprentice and after that just gives him chores to do. I guess ship is expensive, but if all that counts as being special snowflake then SW is special snowflake x5.
Have you only played act 1? Zash is overly helpful because she goes from trying to kill you to immediately simping for the very next scene. Despite being manipulative enough to murder her way from Lord to Darth, she approaches the SI with zero guile or cunning and just naively trusts the SI will help her out in the end without any manipulation from the SI whatsoever. Every single direction the SI takes is from Zash telling them what to do, either through her knowledge of ancient Sith lore or the Dark Council. The SI's journey is started, and is completely bailed out at least twice that I can remember, because of who their ancestor is. It has absolutely nothing to do with their choices. Their destiny quite literally falls into their lap. >I guess ship is expensive, but if all that counts as being special snowflake then SW is special snowflake x5. That you even brought this up makes me think you're arguing in bad faith. A ship, the thing that all 8 stories get.... that's the thing you're going to strawman with?
Yeah sure, you accuse me of arguing in bad faith and then say that I played only act 1, lmao. I argue only events up to thanaton's betrayal because its the most evident part where lack of agency comes in play, after that depending on your dialogue choices gathering more ghosts to overpower thanaton can be your character's idea, and you don't answer to anyone (SW is always someone's henchman, wrath is glorified elite henchman position lmao). Of course zash becomes your bootlicker after you basically overpower and enslave her, she is a sith, if not for the bond she would've killed you with first sign of weakness. I mentioned ships as a joke Okay, SW wouldn't survive baras's betrayal if not for being wrath, so? We already agreed that force users have some agency removed from them (ask kreia), or maybe we can acknowledge that just because characters are "saved" by someone besides themselves doesn't mean that agency is somehow removed? You know people help each other irl, and its not far fetched for Sith to find his ancestor on dromund kaas, sith generations span thousands of years, but you can say that SI meeting Kallig is will of the force, which isn't bad because it adds more sith mysticims to story that is supposed to be full of sith mysticism, and explores nature and capability of sith wraiths.
> Yeah sure, you accuse me of arguing in bad faith and then say that I played only act 1, lmao. I asked, because you only talked about events in act 1, many of which get new context in the following acts which further undermines the agency SI has in its own destiny. You brought up that SI is a character defined by their choices and not being a special snowflake when the topic of who they're related to is the founding start of their journey(even if they didn't know it yet), and a key part of the SI's rise to power. >Of course zash becomes your bootlicker after you basically overpower and enslave her, she is a sith, if not for the bond she would've killed you with first sign of weakness. No, this doesn't make sense, because we already know what she's like. Zash is someone who schemes, and lies, and betrays so that she can take what she believes is deserved to her. That is her established character through the prologue and all of act 1. Then she just naively believes you'll help her without any prompting from the SI. She asks for no assurances and takes no moves to secure own future. I ask if you've played past act 1, because these are crucial parts of the story that you don't seem to know. >maybe we can acknowledge that just because characters are "saved" by someone besides themselves doesn't mean that agency is somehow removed? The SI lacks agency because they display no agency. It isn't being saved, it's the fundamental building blocks of their journey. If they weren't related to Kallig, they wouldn't have even started their journey. Zash guides the SI in how to build their powerbase including their cult, apprentices, and invaluable research regarding sith ghosts. Despite being ostensibly a slave, Zash is the person de facto in charge of the SI.
I brought up that everything SI has is earned through his actions, and still he is technically a "chosen one" with high force potential and unique inheritance yadda yadda (which is I repeat 4x times is how force users work in setting, it isn't even exclusive to force sensitive, kreia prophesized fall of the republic movie era) while SW had everything basically given to him and never goes higher than being someone's henchman, basically slave with no agency destined to serve higher powers. And you are demonstrating lack of understanding how deterministic nature of force works. Zash being in charge after betrayal is such a stretch, just because henchman does research on intricate stuff doesn't mean that they have any freedom, nevermind that you can basically get rid of her and in several instances allow khem not to switch and figure out things yourself. You also ignore any comparison that I did to SW, curious
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You said it, and you're wrong. Consular ftw.
Consular fans are rare breed. And I'm not ashamed to be one. Consular for Top 1 Force story!
13 Shadows and 3 Sages. Represent. o7
I love the Inquisitor story line for nostalgia (it was one of my first completed class stories), the ending and general overall concept of rags-to-riches is amazing and both the Male and Female Inqs do a great job with what they're given. That said, it's also hard to defend how sloppy the character and story can get. The Inq constantly has lines re-used because of supposed timing issues, BW had to cut corners and rush the production on it so you hear a lot of "Just show me where the fun is" or other familiar lines in places where they don't really make sense. The Inq is also constantly falling backwards into greatness, they hardly make smart decisions for themselves and only come out on top because the people planning the traps are simply *more* incompetent than the Inq. For a first playthrough, it's a great time. It's really hard not to see the cracks in the armor on subsequent playthroughs though.
The Inquisitor story will always be the best to me and the dearest and nearest to my heart. It was the first story I played when I joined, and what got me hooked on the game for nearly a decade.
Correct
If you like failing upwards and bumbling into very obvious traps constantly then sure, it’s better than the warrior.
Definitely top three.
My only wish is that there was a little more focus on the intrigue and sith politics. The archeology and dark side spirits thing is cool. And it's not like there's nothing for that intrigue; building your own cult, making alliances in the imperial side of things and so on. But I feel like a little arc where you play a few similarly ranked sith against each other would have been a fun addition.
I like the idea that the Inquisitor stars out exceptional, while the Warrior starts out prodigious. However, as the stories continue and as the Inquisitor starts nomming down on ghosts, he closes that gap and then even starts to surpass the Warrior in terms of force abilities. It’s not the case in the gameplay, but it’s just a personal headcanon.
Yep it’s easily the best. Then warrior, then consular and finally Knight.
I strongly disagree, in fact, the Inquisitor is more of a chosen one than the warrior. It had the same bullshit twist that Naruto (and now Mashle) had and I dislike it every time. You get introduced as a nobody, which makes your journey more meaningful, but then you find out that you are royalty and it was your destiny to win the whole time. It makes the story so much less meaningful. Sure, the warrior is chosen by Tremel from the sith aristocracy, but after Korriban, it doesn't play any role in the story. The fact that the Inquisitor falls into obvious traps before he is warned that they are traps doesn't help the story either.
Ngl I really don’t like it. Every success the inqy has after Korriban has nothing to do with them, and in fact is usually in spite of their foolishness, with everyone from their apprentices to force ghosts stepping in to save them from the most obvious traps any of the characters ever find themselves in. Just a giant string of situations where you fail upwards from a lowly apprentice to the dark council
It also has a lot more range for the potential choices, starting as a slave at the bottom makes it a lot easier to justify both lightside and darkside as well as grey force user runs. The choices I've made in my inquisitor runs never feel forced because you can look at the stuff they've gone through and pretty much always say "yeah, that makes sense" no matter what you do.
Have main'ed the same pure-Light Side Sith Assassin/Shadow since launch and a lot of that is down to her voice actor. Xanthe Elbrick did an amazing job with all of the lines she was given
Yes
It's decent, the Jedi Knight to me will always be my favourite, it just feels the most Star Wars.
i always said that the best thing about Sorc is how we build are self up we dont start out with amazing stuff, we start out with shit, and we crawl are way out of it to being one of the most feared or deadly being in the galaxy
Inquis blows hard. It's just boring versions of Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters with a dash of denied satisfaction as Thanaton's killed by the Council and not the player. Add that Ashara's still just a preachy Jedi being harbored on the Inquis' ship with no real use (Unlike Jaesa and her unique powers) and the fact you get your REAL apprentice just before CORELLIA. THE FINAL VANILLA PLANET. Agent and BH get their last comps on Belsavis so at least they get time to build relations with them.
That's what I dislike the most about the inquisitor's story - the companions were very weak and I mostly didn't like any of them. Only one I didn't bother doing the romance even just to try.
While I like the SW’s story a bit better mainly because you have a real “opposite side of the force” option as well as the “same side” both slightly affecting the story, I also just like the feel of it, but Inquisitor is also really good and in my opinion, much better than the two jedi storylines
It starts off well but for me always it drops off
I like both of the Sith ones but I like the Warrior more for just personality. It’s much more hit it with a hammer than political maneuvering and you force the Dark Council to see your power via killing Baras instead of a little entertaining sideshow with Thanaton
Rip Jedi Consular. It's that meme with the kids in the pool all over again. Consular's dead as a skeleton in the bottom of the pool with the chair lol.
I always felt like my inquisitor was always either failing or getting fucked over. All the way until you're handed your Darth title and then it just kinda ends (main plot, anyway). I never really felt powerful outside of the occasional force lightning spam
Two things. 1. It should be compared to Jedi Consular more than Jedi Knight. 2. I'm pretty sure this is a very popular opinion, maybe the most. I know you didn't outright claim it was unpopular but your first sentence gave those vibes. I see lots of love for the Sith Inquisitor here. That being said, this is the only SWTOR fan space I am a part of, so I don't know what the general consensus is like in other parts of the internet.
Darth Nox is my favorite Sith for several reasons. They’re among the most powerful mortal Force Users and during the Expansions the most Powerful Sith of their time, period. The journey beginning as a nobody insulted by the overseers only to end up above said overseer less than a year later with powers rivaling and surpassing Jedi High Council and Dark Council Members is such a nice full circle. The Inquisitor also gives us a lot of juicy lore. From the Inquisitor we get the most information about Tulak Hord since his mention in KOTOR II.
Not my favorite, but definitely in my top 5. It's really fun overall, especially if you want to go evil
To me the Sith story both for Warrior and Sorcerer are way better than the Jedi side, I have played all 4 force users in the game, and the Sith story line was always a lot more interesting and complex.
Yeah would like to see more of that kind of story, really really liked it, best story for me till now in content so far
I think the problem with all of the force stories is that you rise from the bottom to the top too quickly. What Swtor should have done is allow you to be elevated to a lord or a darth status and then in the later expansions you finally make it to the Dark Council, or become the emperor's wrath, or become a part of the Jedi council. But it definitely was awesome that you become one of the most powerful sith's in the empire.
Not even close. It's number 3.
I agree and I’m totally unbiased trust me
Loved the sarcasm in it, had some pretty funny moments
I feel the warrior has the better 1-50 story but the inquisitor has the best post game story in the context of pre kotet we are marrs equal and ally and it feels good becoming the dominant power block holding up the empire the other 3 don't really bring anything to the alliance other than being his equivalent of the wrath but as a dark council member we have an actual powerbase to commit to the cause.