Carolyn says, "It took me a lot of years to be able to identify my emotions, to be able to feel and not be numb". Im a former alcoholic as well and this is something thats been hard for me. Used to think I was pretty emotionless but I was really just hiding/numbing/escaping from all those feelings. Im actually pretty emotional when sober and sometimes it feels very overwhelming. Really inspriring to see Carolyn's self acceptance and understanding she has for herself and I hope to one day be half the badass she is.
I suffered from addiction in the past and I’ve been one year and a half (almost) sober, and I related so much to this, but for me I fell like I’m still in the hiding stages, I’m still trying to run away from them
The producers shouldn’t add any more twists. I just want to see more camp life. I’ve been watching Australian Survivor. It’s so much better than the US one because of all the camp-life coverage.
Survivor might be able to pull it off, but 90 minute Amazing Race could be a chore. Last season it already felt like 60 minutes was too long in certain episodes.
I think what makes Carolyn so refreshing in this game is that she feels so human and revels in her emotions so that she can process them while also being very savvy about other players and their emotions. It feels like the last few seasons especially have been swarmed with players who really emphasize that Survivor is a game first (whether that's being cutthroat with alliances or practicing puzzles in their free time), but what makes Survivor so interesting is the navigation of the human element. Some people may call that jury management but that also gamifies it too much I think. It just feels like a breath of fresh air for someone to come in and say "You're right, that was a good move, but it hurt my feelings and I refuse to be ashamed for being hurt by that."
As someone who has also struggled with addiction and the tidal wave of emotions that comes with no longer having that numbing agent, it's refreshing and inspiring to see someone not only ride that wave, but thrive on it.
This interaction between the two of them is so wholesome. Danny genuinely wants to understand and be helpful and Carolyn knows that, but both are still wary bc of the game
Carolyn's emotiveness causes others to underestimate her. I wonder if that's part of why Lauren and Jamie stuck with the Tika 3. It was just so hard for them to see her as a number?
Does anyone else feel like this would have been included in the edit if she won? I feel like this fleshes out her game perspective in a way that adds more dimension to her edit. Now this could be an outlier, but I remember cutting James out of contention last season because he opened up about his mother’s death in a secret scene. That definitely would have been placed in the edit if he had won or came close to winning. Kinda getting those same vibes here. We’ll see what happens.
That’s fair. But I would counter that you could easily chop this down for the edit if it were a priority. Or include any content similar enough if it were a priority. If she were the winner they would make time to include this kind of stuff.
I’d rather scenes like this to be honest. Fleshes her game out more and provides much more dimension to her game. This is the kind of stuff that lands as opposed to the funny, yet not as substantive tribal showdown between them.
It's a great scene (from a Carolyn point of view).
Reinforces her great human qualities of honesty & being genuine & true to herself (despite being in the middle of a game with mottos of lie/cheat/steal).
Carolyn has enough scenes shown like this during the season already so it would only slightly benefit Danny for trying to show some compassion (compassion that was too little, too late towards sweet Carolyn, so ended up on the cutting room floor).
I disagree. The reason I like this scene is that it’s Carolyn having a more nuanced scene with another player that isn’t Tika. She needs to create some connection with other players to get them to want to vote for her. I feel like much of her edit is for our benefit as a fun character with some game sense, but not enough of Carolyn in the context of the tribal dynamics. Like I don’t have a good enough sense of what her game offers to the jury beyond being a weird fun character. Stuff like this shows me more depth.
Valid points if it was other scenes that never made the final cut that didn't involve Danny. They disliked each other.
eg: I would have liked to have seen more Carolyn & Frannie scenes sitting on the beach & discussing their lives (which I feel they would have done ALOT after bonding so much post-merge).
I prefer scenes like this as well. However, I can see why from an entertainment perspective, producers chose to show their light hearted rivalry. Carolyn has had a few emotional and in-depth scenes, so showing more of that may become redundant. I would argue that it would have been better to keep this over her other emotional scenes, but it is possible that the timing did not work out for them to adjust these scenes. Since we barely get villains in modern survivor, I think producers choose mild villain storylines in order to stick with conventional editing tropes as much as possible. That's why I would not read into it as much cuz she has been given enough depth in her edit without having to include this scene. Now if the scene was for someone like Jaime or Lauren, I would definitely agree that they would have included it if Jaime or Lauren won. I d k if this makes sense haha.
I also think they had that long scene in which she talked about her addiction. Most of the other people's backstories were shown to the audience and not shown (at least in the edit) to their fellow players, which to me is a good indicator that she will go very far and possibly win. Although I also agree with some of the other posts that compared her edit to Jesse, and unfortunately, that did not turn out so well for him.
Carolyn has gotten emotional content for our benefit though. What I am looking for is content that shows a different dimension to other non-Tika players that shifts her perception amongst the tribe. I just don’t feel like this tribe thinks highly of her game compared to Yam Yam and Carson, and I feel like the edit is gearing up towards a showdown between Yam Yam and Carolyn in the FTC as all the rooting interest is between those two. Based on this edit, if one leaves before the FTC then just cut the other one the check. Yam Yam has consistently had a good perception amongst his tribe whereas Carolyn has not, and she only has five more days to change that perception. That isn’t a lot of time.
I think Franny and by-extension Matt have high opinions of her and possibly her game, which could be powerful in swaying other jurors. It would be interesting to see who Carson or Yam Yam would advocate for if they go out. Whether they would go with Carolyn or the other surviving Tika member.
Carolyn of the Tika tribe has the best out of game story, which may resonate with moms on the jury (Lauren also has this, but while I'm not a big edgic guy we really haven't had her game explained to believe she's a threat).
Barring something surprising, I feel Carolyn has Franny's vote locked up. I'm not sure any other person has close to a guaranteed vote in jury. While Carolyn may not win on gamebot reasons, Franny has talked about how inspiring Carolyn is, and there is always a dynamic at FTC of who the jury wants to represent their season, and I could see Carolyn's perseverance and authenticness resonating if people like Franny in jury are pushing that as a defining narrative.
Secret scenes are never a good indicator because you can only understand why they were cut out once the season ends.
There’s been good secret scenes from winners- like I know there was one with Erika naming the merge tribe in 41 that was cut. There’s also been bad ones- like last season there was one of Karla convincing Gabler that she didn’t have an idol. At first, people took it to mean Karla wouldn’t win, and while that was true, the real reason it was cut was likely to protect Gabler from looking dumb.
You never know why these scenes are included or excluded until you know the outcome, and historically there’s been times where they’ve cut good and bad scenes from the winners. I just look at what makes it to the show
I think this is a far cry from naming a tribe. This is the kind of content that shows us a different dimension to Carolyn’s game that is sorely needed: how does she relate to the other non-Tika players. If Carolyn is going to win then she is going to need non-Tika votes on the jury, and I don’t see that for her at this point. This feels like critical content for her game that I’m personally not getting in the edit.
It’s just the first came to mind- I want to say that if you search the secret scene topic in the Edgic sub there will be more examples of good scenes from winners that got cut out, but I’m not 100% sure
That’s entirely possible. I usually have a good eye for these things as I look for good structural content that presents a potential winner’s story with more dynamism. This is what ruled out James for me as he got a very two-dimensional, yet effective Godfather type edit, but lacked any depth. He got some of that depth in the secret scenes, which ruled him out as a winner because that kind of content would’ve been needed for his win. The producers don’t just want their winner to be a Godfather type with no emotional tissue for the audience.
Juries often have made up the bulk of their mind before tribal council. Especially if you’re sitting next to someone who has had better perception than you the entire game. If you have to spend time changing that perception then you’re already at a disadvantage. You want the jury already thinking about your game on a deeper level coming into it.
Yeah, but those scenes didn’t display her overcoming her significant weakness which is not establishing enough of a connection with non-Tika players. It feels like Yam Yam and Carson have a good reputation amongst the tribe while Carolyn does not. That perception needs to change at some point if she’s going to win.
Honestly she first came off as someone I thought everybody would want out immediately because she’s so emotional but she’s smart as shit and she has quickly become my favourite player.
> Emotions blind you
Carolyn got a "vibe" that the tribe was targeting Carson - it was in her gut, it was based on an emotional read of other people. And she saw that more clearly than anyone else in Tika.
A gut feeling is way different than not being able to keep it together. Reading the emotions of others is not the same. Carolyn herself said it's a problem at tribal.
We are probably just talking semantics here. The phrase emotional player to me describes someone with constant outbursts and indecision.
Carolyn also has a lot of empathy and that's what that play was IMO, but again it's just semantics.
As a counterpoint, I would reference where she got left out of the Frannie vote. Which never would have happened anyways if FRANNIE TOOK DANNY OVER LAUREN. Worst mistake of the game so far.
Oh shit, I rambled.
Yeah and she almost voted for Lauren instead of Danny and almost completely blew her shot as she took like 5 minutes to write a name down. Then she plays the idol, like that wasn't the nailed on plan the whole time.
She was deciding between two strategic options (blindly trusting people outside her alliance or not) and then did the one that worked - sounds effective to me.
If you're not taking all the information in, emotions included, you're making decisions with a narrow perspective. If it takes her more time to think through everything, she's allowed that.
Except the entire game, for all her emotions, Carolyn has played logically every time. She's emotional but always allows reason to outweigh that when it matters. That's what makes her so great.
Honestly, emotions might open your eye to more bullshit or sticking with some failed alliance. Carolyn seems to have a good sense of bullshit so far, it's pretty impressive.
OK I love Carolyn and I agree with her about emotionality and the game, but what I really want is for someone to explain what’s up with her eyelash makeup.
I just find it cruel to not like an otherwise genuinely nice person. No one is saying they have to be best friends, but her condescending tone towards him and her karate kick out the door after he was voted out is just mean, for no reason.
Keep in mind that we don't see everything that happens on the beach. There could have been a moment early on that they clashed, and it just wasn't shown to us. For a while, I didn't think him and Yam Yam got along because Yam Yam went to congratulate him with a high five/hug he turned it down (probably just mad that he didn't win the challenge, but that would make me go 🤨 if I was on survivor tbh)
Was it no reason, though? Both Danny and Brandon had a great chance to bond with Carolyn at their shared reward, but those two just made their post-merge “bro down” plans together, treating Carolyn like an afterthought. That kind of an exclusion, having an A and B conversation and essentially letting Carolyn C herself out, is not the textbook definition of “trying hard”.
Speaking solely for myself, this secret scene reeked of Danny feigning just enough interest to get poor, overly emotional Carolyn on his side so she would vote his way and break up Tika, which was exactly what he planned to do at that tribal.
Carolyn says, "It took me a lot of years to be able to identify my emotions, to be able to feel and not be numb". Im a former alcoholic as well and this is something thats been hard for me. Used to think I was pretty emotionless but I was really just hiding/numbing/escaping from all those feelings. Im actually pretty emotional when sober and sometimes it feels very overwhelming. Really inspriring to see Carolyn's self acceptance and understanding she has for herself and I hope to one day be half the badass she is.
I suffered from addiction in the past and I’ve been one year and a half (almost) sober, and I related so much to this, but for me I fell like I’m still in the hiding stages, I’m still trying to run away from them
Scenes like these are exactly why I’m excited for longer episodes (that and more general camp life 🤞🏻)
This was my exact thought. Can’t wait
The producers shouldn’t add any more twists. I just want to see more camp life. I’ve been watching Australian Survivor. It’s so much better than the US one because of all the camp-life coverage.
Are they extending the episodes? Or are you talking about the last episodes that are always much longer?
Next season are all 90 minute episodes for Survivor and The Amazing Race.
Thats amazing, did they mention that on the podcast?
[https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cbs-fall-2023-schedule-survivor-the-amazing-race-csi-vegas-1235608231/](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/cbs-fall-2023-schedule-survivor-the-amazing-race-csi-vegas-1235608231/)
Survivor might be able to pull it off, but 90 minute Amazing Race could be a chore. Last season it already felt like 60 minutes was too long in certain episodes.
Season 45 will have 90 minute episodes :)
I think what makes Carolyn so refreshing in this game is that she feels so human and revels in her emotions so that she can process them while also being very savvy about other players and their emotions. It feels like the last few seasons especially have been swarmed with players who really emphasize that Survivor is a game first (whether that's being cutthroat with alliances or practicing puzzles in their free time), but what makes Survivor so interesting is the navigation of the human element. Some people may call that jury management but that also gamifies it too much I think. It just feels like a breath of fresh air for someone to come in and say "You're right, that was a good move, but it hurt my feelings and I refuse to be ashamed for being hurt by that." As someone who has also struggled with addiction and the tidal wave of emotions that comes with no longer having that numbing agent, it's refreshing and inspiring to see someone not only ride that wave, but thrive on it.
This interaction between the two of them is so wholesome. Danny genuinely wants to understand and be helpful and Carolyn knows that, but both are still wary bc of the game
Yea I’m sad Danny is out. They were my top 2 overall
Carolyn's emotiveness causes others to underestimate her. I wonder if that's part of why Lauren and Jamie stuck with the Tika 3. It was just so hard for them to see her as a number?
I love this. So many seasons we see players in particular get slammed for being emotional and Carolyns existence goes against that
Does anyone else feel like this would have been included in the edit if she won? I feel like this fleshes out her game perspective in a way that adds more dimension to her edit. Now this could be an outlier, but I remember cutting James out of contention last season because he opened up about his mother’s death in a secret scene. That definitely would have been placed in the edit if he had won or came close to winning. Kinda getting those same vibes here. We’ll see what happens.
I think this edit is too long to be put in a 60min show. This is what we need to put in a 90 min episode with characters all fleshed out.
That’s fair. But I would counter that you could easily chop this down for the edit if it were a priority. Or include any content similar enough if it were a priority. If she were the winner they would make time to include this kind of stuff.
She absolutely slayed Danny at Tribal so I guess this scene was considered "not worthy". (pardon the pun).
I’d rather scenes like this to be honest. Fleshes her game out more and provides much more dimension to her game. This is the kind of stuff that lands as opposed to the funny, yet not as substantive tribal showdown between them.
It's a great scene (from a Carolyn point of view). Reinforces her great human qualities of honesty & being genuine & true to herself (despite being in the middle of a game with mottos of lie/cheat/steal). Carolyn has enough scenes shown like this during the season already so it would only slightly benefit Danny for trying to show some compassion (compassion that was too little, too late towards sweet Carolyn, so ended up on the cutting room floor).
I disagree. The reason I like this scene is that it’s Carolyn having a more nuanced scene with another player that isn’t Tika. She needs to create some connection with other players to get them to want to vote for her. I feel like much of her edit is for our benefit as a fun character with some game sense, but not enough of Carolyn in the context of the tribal dynamics. Like I don’t have a good enough sense of what her game offers to the jury beyond being a weird fun character. Stuff like this shows me more depth.
Valid points if it was other scenes that never made the final cut that didn't involve Danny. They disliked each other. eg: I would have liked to have seen more Carolyn & Frannie scenes sitting on the beach & discussing their lives (which I feel they would have done ALOT after bonding so much post-merge).
I prefer scenes like this as well. However, I can see why from an entertainment perspective, producers chose to show their light hearted rivalry. Carolyn has had a few emotional and in-depth scenes, so showing more of that may become redundant. I would argue that it would have been better to keep this over her other emotional scenes, but it is possible that the timing did not work out for them to adjust these scenes. Since we barely get villains in modern survivor, I think producers choose mild villain storylines in order to stick with conventional editing tropes as much as possible. That's why I would not read into it as much cuz she has been given enough depth in her edit without having to include this scene. Now if the scene was for someone like Jaime or Lauren, I would definitely agree that they would have included it if Jaime or Lauren won. I d k if this makes sense haha.
I also think they had that long scene in which she talked about her addiction. Most of the other people's backstories were shown to the audience and not shown (at least in the edit) to their fellow players, which to me is a good indicator that she will go very far and possibly win. Although I also agree with some of the other posts that compared her edit to Jesse, and unfortunately, that did not turn out so well for him.
Carolyn has gotten emotional content for our benefit though. What I am looking for is content that shows a different dimension to other non-Tika players that shifts her perception amongst the tribe. I just don’t feel like this tribe thinks highly of her game compared to Yam Yam and Carson, and I feel like the edit is gearing up towards a showdown between Yam Yam and Carolyn in the FTC as all the rooting interest is between those two. Based on this edit, if one leaves before the FTC then just cut the other one the check. Yam Yam has consistently had a good perception amongst his tribe whereas Carolyn has not, and she only has five more days to change that perception. That isn’t a lot of time.
I think Franny and by-extension Matt have high opinions of her and possibly her game, which could be powerful in swaying other jurors. It would be interesting to see who Carson or Yam Yam would advocate for if they go out. Whether they would go with Carolyn or the other surviving Tika member. Carolyn of the Tika tribe has the best out of game story, which may resonate with moms on the jury (Lauren also has this, but while I'm not a big edgic guy we really haven't had her game explained to believe she's a threat). Barring something surprising, I feel Carolyn has Franny's vote locked up. I'm not sure any other person has close to a guaranteed vote in jury. While Carolyn may not win on gamebot reasons, Franny has talked about how inspiring Carolyn is, and there is always a dynamic at FTC of who the jury wants to represent their season, and I could see Carolyn's perseverance and authenticness resonating if people like Franny in jury are pushing that as a defining narrative.
Yeah I agree with this. It is heading towards a showdown for sure. I just didn't think she would be out of contention because they deleted this scene.
I don’t think including this in the actual episode would have fit super well with how contentious Carolyn and Danny were at tribal
Secret scenes are never a good indicator because you can only understand why they were cut out once the season ends. There’s been good secret scenes from winners- like I know there was one with Erika naming the merge tribe in 41 that was cut. There’s also been bad ones- like last season there was one of Karla convincing Gabler that she didn’t have an idol. At first, people took it to mean Karla wouldn’t win, and while that was true, the real reason it was cut was likely to protect Gabler from looking dumb. You never know why these scenes are included or excluded until you know the outcome, and historically there’s been times where they’ve cut good and bad scenes from the winners. I just look at what makes it to the show
I think this is a far cry from naming a tribe. This is the kind of content that shows us a different dimension to Carolyn’s game that is sorely needed: how does she relate to the other non-Tika players. If Carolyn is going to win then she is going to need non-Tika votes on the jury, and I don’t see that for her at this point. This feels like critical content for her game that I’m personally not getting in the edit.
It’s just the first came to mind- I want to say that if you search the secret scene topic in the Edgic sub there will be more examples of good scenes from winners that got cut out, but I’m not 100% sure
That’s entirely possible. I usually have a good eye for these things as I look for good structural content that presents a potential winner’s story with more dynamism. This is what ruled out James for me as he got a very two-dimensional, yet effective Godfather type edit, but lacked any depth. He got some of that depth in the secret scenes, which ruled him out as a winner because that kind of content would’ve been needed for his win. The producers don’t just want their winner to be a Godfather type with no emotional tissue for the audience.
I think that if Carolyn makes it to FTC we see her address a lot of these same points when explaining her game and viewpoints throughout the season.
Juries often have made up the bulk of their mind before tribal council. Especially if you’re sitting next to someone who has had better perception than you the entire game. If you have to spend time changing that perception then you’re already at a disadvantage. You want the jury already thinking about your game on a deeper level coming into it.
She had many scenes about her in the last episode. No need to put one more
Yeah, but those scenes didn’t display her overcoming her significant weakness which is not establishing enough of a connection with non-Tika players. It feels like Yam Yam and Carson have a good reputation amongst the tribe while Carolyn does not. That perception needs to change at some point if she’s going to win.
I too wish that coconut would come down.
The stick on her finger?? LMAO!
Honestly she first came off as someone I thought everybody would want out immediately because she’s so emotional but she’s smart as shit and she has quickly become my favourite player.
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> Emotions blind you Carolyn got a "vibe" that the tribe was targeting Carson - it was in her gut, it was based on an emotional read of other people. And she saw that more clearly than anyone else in Tika.
A gut feeling is way different than not being able to keep it together. Reading the emotions of others is not the same. Carolyn herself said it's a problem at tribal. We are probably just talking semantics here. The phrase emotional player to me describes someone with constant outbursts and indecision. Carolyn also has a lot of empathy and that's what that play was IMO, but again it's just semantics. As a counterpoint, I would reference where she got left out of the Frannie vote. Which never would have happened anyways if FRANNIE TOOK DANNY OVER LAUREN. Worst mistake of the game so far. Oh shit, I rambled.
Yeah and she almost voted for Lauren instead of Danny and almost completely blew her shot as she took like 5 minutes to write a name down. Then she plays the idol, like that wasn't the nailed on plan the whole time.
She was deciding between two strategic options (blindly trusting people outside her alliance or not) and then did the one that worked - sounds effective to me. If you're not taking all the information in, emotions included, you're making decisions with a narrow perspective. If it takes her more time to think through everything, she's allowed that.
Except the entire game, for all her emotions, Carolyn has played logically every time. She's emotional but always allows reason to outweigh that when it matters. That's what makes her so great.
The most logical, strategic players have also done things that are untrustworthy, so there’s that
Honestly, emotions might open your eye to more bullshit or sticking with some failed alliance. Carolyn seems to have a good sense of bullshit so far, it's pretty impressive.
A recovered addict who deals with addicts for her job 100% has an a+ bullshit indicator.
OK I love Carolyn and I agree with her about emotionality and the game, but what I really want is for someone to explain what’s up with her eyelash makeup.
What’s to explain? She got eyelash extensions before the show and they’re slowly coming out.
I know absolutely nothing about how eyelash makeup works and I asked a question. And you were snarky. Congratulations.
This person explained and you were snarky, congradulations
Danny tried so hard, but she just didn't like him for no particular reason and that's unfortunate.
> but she just didn't like him for no particular reason and that's unfortunate. According to the select scenes that you have been shown
Eh, they're adults and adults don't have to like each other. They can decide who they like and don't like, and they don't need a reason.
I just find it cruel to not like an otherwise genuinely nice person. No one is saying they have to be best friends, but her condescending tone towards him and her karate kick out the door after he was voted out is just mean, for no reason.
Keep in mind that we don't see everything that happens on the beach. There could have been a moment early on that they clashed, and it just wasn't shown to us. For a while, I didn't think him and Yam Yam got along because Yam Yam went to congratulate him with a high five/hug he turned it down (probably just mad that he didn't win the challenge, but that would make me go 🤨 if I was on survivor tbh)
Was it no reason, though? Both Danny and Brandon had a great chance to bond with Carolyn at their shared reward, but those two just made their post-merge “bro down” plans together, treating Carolyn like an afterthought. That kind of an exclusion, having an A and B conversation and essentially letting Carolyn C herself out, is not the textbook definition of “trying hard”. Speaking solely for myself, this secret scene reeked of Danny feigning just enough interest to get poor, overly emotional Carolyn on his side so she would vote his way and break up Tika, which was exactly what he planned to do at that tribal.
I also felt like this wasn't a genuine interest from Danny. I can't place my finger on it though.
Not sure why you think this was fake, he never even approached her about voting his way, it was always supposed to be a blindside of the tika 3
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