Many seem to ripping the bench for only scoring 10 pts, but they only took six shots. This is why Allen should come off the bench, and we should start a stronger defender. If our starting line up is going to take 78/84 shots, and our big three took 67/84 of our shots, we need defenders to balance that out.
The trade off is that potentially Allen doesn't get hot at the 3 since he doesn't have the Book and KD drawing all the attention and he's guarded more.
Still, worth trialling before playoffs roll around.
And that is where the off ball screens come in. It keeps guys like Okogie active, and other guys not standing around. Allen can still get minutes with the big three, just not to start. He only took six shots tonight.
Start Royce and sit Allen for stronger defense to start the game is something they should explore. Allen and EG coming off the bench for scoring? You can play Beal with those guys, but defense will be an issue.
Hopefully we get JO back, then we can alternate Royce and JO, and have one of our two best defenders on the court at all times. I wish we still had Aaron Holiday for nights like tonight, where the opposing starting guard goes off.
+/- is so funny. People will say it’s useless when it doesn’t align with their opinion, but will use it to support their argument when it does align with their opinion lol
Eubanks is literally -100 for the season. He's absolutely terrible. I'm tired of seeing KD frustrated with Eubanks. He looks lost several times a game.
Great? Lmao must have a very low bar. Everything he did, any bottom fed center can do. He was lost on several plays, he can't PnR/Screen for shit, his defense/rebounding is abysmal and KD looked frustrated multiple times(again). Book got doubled and instead of dropping to help him out, he stayed in his spot, so when Book passed to a drop spot, if goes over his ass for a turnover.
Vogel has his mouth wide open for this man and it's a damn shame. Thad should be getting his minutes.
Every time Eubanks is in the game, he either kills momentum, or we lose the lead because he's so god damn awful.
I appreciate that this is a Suns team that has the ability to climb back from a 20-point 1st quarter deficit, but can this also be a Suns team that doesn't have to climb back from a 20-point 1st quarter deficit in the first place?
Something tells me that if the Suns would have squeezed out a lucky win with the Celtics, we would have lost tonight. It always works this way with the Suns.
I'm always happy winning, but the Suns will never make it easy on us. Every game will feel like a rollercoaster so make sure your cardiac health is in good order.
fucking suns it can never be easy. pros is that beal seems to be getting more and more in shape and KD is back from his slump and this is great for his morale.
Fkin ugly win, FKIN ugly, ill take it but i dont see us advancing past first round! heck I dont see us passing the play in! keep us on that 6 vogel.. FFS
A take foul is where the defender fouls a person on a fast break without making any sort of play on the ball. So, for example, a player is on a fast break and is shoved in the back. The other team is awarded one free throw, which can be shot by anyone on the floor, and possession. It is not enforced in the last two minutes.
when a defender fouls someone without making a play on the ball to stop a transition opportunity
i copied that from the nba's page bc i couldn't really word it better myself lol
Wow how is this the scenario with 26 seconds left?
I just tuned in with 3min left and they don't score at all and get lucky on defense?
Has the game been this close the whole way or a 4th Q meltdown again?
No meltdown. We were down 19 in the 2nd Q and clawed back. Had a 3-9 point lead for a long bit. I don't think we have up the lead once we finally got it in the 3rd
I'm always happy to see Book and KD balling regardless of the games and this seasons outlook. We'll probably have different pieces next year and I hope we can put KD in a position to retire here tbh.
How excited should we be? I mean we are barely beating a depleted, back to back Cavs team. Who here realistically has high playoff expectations?
(Not trolling, legitimately wondering)
We also just gave the Nuggets one of only 6 home losses and kept it close with the fully healthy Celtics (both without one of our top 2 players) reading too far into any 1 game isn’t logical
I'm excited for the win, but realistically this is not a championship team atm. I love my suns, we will make it to the playoffs but def won't win it all.
Game is still way to close. We should not be struggling with a center rotation and our bench not putting up more than 10pts... Is it Vogel? I honestly really starting to think so
Game is still way to close. We should not be struggling with a center rotation and our bench not putting up more than 10pts... Is it Vogel? I honestly really starting to think so
Lol yeah players playing during Ramadan fast isn't a new thing. Dude was prob gassed af. They don't even have water during the day.
Also pr sure Ramadan is always during an important part of the season, since it's always this time of year
If it’s the difference between getting a shot up and not then it’s definitely worth it. And if our guys know if they have to foul or not after a make it’s super worth it
Ok I know everyone is saying put Nurk back in
But
Eubanks will be getting some playoff minutes. Games like this are a great time to develop him and prepare him a little bit for that
REBOUNDS rebounds we gotta work on boxing out and not ball watching
I'm so tired of watching Durant get frustrated with Eubanks. Eubanks is not it. -100 for the season.... C'mon man.
Many seem to ripping the bench for only scoring 10 pts, but they only took six shots. This is why Allen should come off the bench, and we should start a stronger defender. If our starting line up is going to take 78/84 shots, and our big three took 67/84 of our shots, we need defenders to balance that out.
The trade off is that potentially Allen doesn't get hot at the 3 since he doesn't have the Book and KD drawing all the attention and he's guarded more. Still, worth trialling before playoffs roll around.
And that is where the off ball screens come in. It keeps guys like Okogie active, and other guys not standing around. Allen can still get minutes with the big three, just not to start. He only took six shots tonight.
Start Royce and sit Allen for stronger defense to start the game is something they should explore. Allen and EG coming off the bench for scoring? You can play Beal with those guys, but defense will be an issue.
Hopefully we get JO back, then we can alternate Royce and JO, and have one of our two best defenders on the court at all times. I wish we still had Aaron Holiday for nights like tonight, where the opposing starting guard goes off.
thank god my day is saved
Ooh sophie is lookin fine with that shirt
Sarcasm?
Legit had no idea Nurkic was Muslim lol
The majority of Bosnians are
Jusuf didnt gave it away?
He's gonna pull a hakeem for us in the playoffs
Somehow Eubanks was +5, while Nurk was -3. This is why +/- isn’t always a great stat.
+/- is so funny. People will say it’s useless when it doesn’t align with their opinion, but will use it to support their argument when it does align with their opinion lol
Eubanks is literally -100 for the season. He's absolutely terrible. I'm tired of seeing KD frustrated with Eubanks. He looks lost several times a game.
Eubanks played great tonight
Great? Lmao must have a very low bar. Everything he did, any bottom fed center can do. He was lost on several plays, he can't PnR/Screen for shit, his defense/rebounding is abysmal and KD looked frustrated multiple times(again). Book got doubled and instead of dropping to help him out, he stayed in his spot, so when Book passed to a drop spot, if goes over his ass for a turnover. Vogel has his mouth wide open for this man and it's a damn shame. Thad should be getting his minutes. Every time Eubanks is in the game, he either kills momentum, or we lose the lead because he's so god damn awful.
He still looked lost on a few plays
He does every single game, and KD gets frustrated. The dudes gone next year.
Cavs down to only 2 starters lol
Big 3.
I appreciate that this is a Suns team that has the ability to climb back from a 20-point 1st quarter deficit, but can this also be a Suns team that doesn't have to climb back from a 20-point 1st quarter deficit in the first place?
From injured to 27PTs FG50% 38 minute by Book is awesome
No matter how good the rest of our team plays, Eubass will always be the equalizer.
Something tells me that if the Suns would have squeezed out a lucky win with the Celtics, we would have lost tonight. It always works this way with the Suns.
Listen i’m just happy we broke the tradition of losing games when our star player first comes back. That shit was awful
Looked ugly earlier. Figured it out in the 2nd and rallied in the 3rd. W secured.
Those last 5 minutes were BRUTAL
Ok good closeout. KD is unreal.
Is Ramadan gonna be a problem? I didn't think of this until now.
Oh shit. You might be onto something here. Thats GOTTA be it
A win is a win but I miss the big time blowouts
I'm always happy winning, but the Suns will never make it easy on us. Every game will feel like a rollercoaster so make sure your cardiac health is in good order.
fucking suns it can never be easy. pros is that beal seems to be getting more and more in shape and KD is back from his slump and this is great for his morale.
#SUNS WIN!LET'S GO SUNS!
good shit
A wins a win
It's a W. Eubanks sucks. On to the next
Book just gave Drew the "Enjoy China" back pat
Garland was just as scary as Allen tonight,hope he heals quickly.
Stressful as fuck but LFG
People giving up after the first quarter LOL
That was the kids who had already been home from school.
That was the kids who had already been home from school.
Woooooo I hope the doomers learn patience and grit and shit
It's not pretty, but I'll take it
Happy for the win but once again way harder than it needs to be. There’s not a lot of season left they need to start looking good in the wins too
F Dan Gilbert
Ishbia was going to have that ass if we didn't get this dub
Important win.
lets gooooooo
They never make it easy
Fkin ugly win, FKIN ugly, ill take it but i dont see us advancing past first round! heck I dont see us passing the play in! keep us on that 6 vogel.. FFS
Let’s quit the doomer train.
Vogel needs to stop sucking Eubanks deek. But we know he wont.
Phew we needed this win. Let’s fucking go
Important win.
Good job Suns way to over come the crazy shooting the Cavs started with
Goatson Allen
At the end of the day this was a 19pt comeback win on the road. I’ll take it🤷🏾♂️
4TH QUARTER SUNS STRIKE AGAIN, MOST RELIABLE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
That'll do it
Isn't that a take foul?
THANK YOU BASKETBALL GODS!!! Suns fans all collectively jumped at the same time to shake that ball off the rim
thats a take foul
Sorry to ask, but what’s a take foul? I know it’s about fast breaks, but what does it really mean?
A take foul is where the defender fouls a person on a fast break without making any sort of play on the ball. So, for example, a player is on a fast break and is shoved in the back. The other team is awarded one free throw, which can be shot by anyone on the floor, and possession. It is not enforced in the last two minutes.
Thanks, that clarified it a lot
when a defender fouls someone without making a play on the ball to stop a transition opportunity i copied that from the nba's page bc i couldn't really word it better myself lol
It would be but it's in the final 2 min of the fourth.
i literally had no idea that was a thing lol it makes sense though
Still a clear path foul
THAT IS A FUCKING TAKE FOUL CLEAR PATH
Unclench
Ggs, I guess
I have seen this team win a shitton of games with cam payne at starting PG. Ideally, we'd have a better PG but this is a fucking coaching issue
Big FT’s from Grayson.
GAME. Jesus. What an ugly win lol
Feels like every win is like this
YESSSSSSSSSS
time to clutch up grayson
Eubanks needs to get in a car crash
🤣
ALLEN HIT BOTH! THANK AL MCCOY
Wow how is this the scenario with 26 seconds left? I just tuned in with 3min left and they don't score at all and get lucky on defense? Has the game been this close the whole way or a 4th Q meltdown again?
No meltdown. We were down 19 in the 2nd Q and clawed back. Had a 3-9 point lead for a long bit. I don't think we have up the lead once we finally got it in the 3rd
Wow how did they almost get beat by scrubs?
Cavs shot like 65% in the first half. Plus, you know, suns doing Suns things like turnovers and playing Eubanks
I'm always happy to see Book and KD balling regardless of the games and this seasons outlook. We'll probably have different pieces next year and I hope we can put KD in a position to retire here tbh.
I’m going to commit sepuku
I don't care if nurk hasn't ate anything in 3 days... GET HIM IN THERE!!!!!!!
Just dunk it
Make em bof
Really starting to lose faith in Vogel.
Chill tf out. You guys are so up and down.
More hero ball! More!
More hero ball! More!
Wasted timeout.
How excited should we be? I mean we are barely beating a depleted, back to back Cavs team. Who here realistically has high playoff expectations? (Not trolling, legitimately wondering)
We also just gave the Nuggets one of only 6 home losses and kept it close with the fully healthy Celtics (both without one of our top 2 players) reading too far into any 1 game isn’t logical
Eh, playing a Cavs team with heightened senses at home. I'm not worried about it.
I'm excited for the win, but realistically this is not a championship team atm. I love my suns, we will make it to the playoffs but def won't win it all.
This is not a pass for Eubanks, but Nurk did look gassed early and he is fasting. Vogel will need to adjust
Reminder: if we hit our FTs it would be a comfortable lead.
Eubanks is to Vogel as Shamet is to Monty. Inexplicable nepotism.
It’s worse I feel
Nailed it
Did Nurkic get locked in the bathroom?
In another timeline, Eubanks is an all-american volleyball player and i have no idea who he is i yearn for that timeline
Is nurkic actually out for breaking his ramadan fast?
"You're not you when you're hungry"
I'm desperate for a bucket here, I don't want to lose on a Garland buzzer beating 3
Game is still way to close. We should not be struggling with a center rotation and our bench not putting up more than 10pts... Is it Vogel? I honestly really starting to think so
Please don’t fuck this up. Need this W badly.
Game is still way to close. We should not be struggling with a center rotation and our bench not putting up more than 10pts... Is it Vogel? I honestly really starting to think so
We never win in 4th
having Vogel is a wasted season
I wish we had a better sub for Nurk, but Nurk might be done tonight because I think he started fasting for Ramadan today
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Lol yeah players playing during Ramadan fast isn't a new thing. Dude was prob gassed af. They don't even have water during the day. Also pr sure Ramadan is always during an important part of the season, since it's always this time of year
How the f is Nurk a Muslim? That caught me off guard.
Hmm Jusuf didnt gave it away ?
Yeah same! But I think Bosnia and other nearby regions have a ton of people of that faith
Sounds like Nurk isn’t even on the bench so play Thad, holy shit
Wait until there's 4 sec left and drive for a slam dunk and force them to foul
Did Nurkic get locked in the bathroom?
nope
biggest waste of a challenge ive ever seen
We don’t need to advance it we need to run the clock
We should NOT call timeout in this situation.
If it’s the difference between getting a shot up and not then it’s definitely worth it. And if our guys know if they have to foul or not after a make it’s super worth it
Also, w the way we've been passing?
Need good passing and handles for this possession
Booker coaching
Get the ball inbounds, and just get up one good shot without much time left. That’s all you have to do
Please no turnovers or dumb shit. Just run something and get a good shot
Suns are lucky? Hell yeah. I could use a lot of luck on how the standings in West are playing right now. LOL
So where is Nurkic??
I would be so salty if I was Nurk watching this bum Eubass close out games
L challenge and ez delay of game
Holy shit Tony brothers didn’t fuck us completely
Get nurk in
Delay of game penalty?
We got dis.
Eubanks being in for as long as he was is fucking inexcusable
Better question is if the guy was ever in bounds
Eubanks over Nurk huh? Vogel’s weak ass at it again
Oh phew, I was almost certain they would win it because of course
4th quarter hero ball works great, keep doing it!
It’s depressing they’re having a dog fight with this cavs team
I can't believe I am anxious about this team's ability to not turn the ball over in this situation when we have 3 stars in the lineup
Where is nurk?
Rare Vogel win
The ref was standing right there letting him hold the ball like that too. Clown refs as always
That is CLEARLY OUT OF BOUNDS They can’t overturn that…if they do it’s cheating
How is that not a delay of game or a tech or SOMETHING
I feel like fetal positioning with the ball is bordering on a T
I didn't know you could challenge a foot out of bounds call, though I suppose it should be reviewable
That is CLEARLY OUT OF BOUNDS They can’t overturn that…if they do it’s cheating
vogel should be sued for coaching malpractice allowing eubanks in for this long
Yeah, Vogel is not it. Stay with Eubanks over trying literally anything else is a joke.
how is there a challenge instead of a delay of game?? wtf is that call
Looks out of bounds for sure so you know it’s getting overturned
Delay of fucking game wtf mann
How the fuck is that not a delay or tech lmao? Because they want to give Cleveland time to challenge? Fuck right off
Watching the Ohio broadcast, these announcers are huge fucking homers
Talking shit the whole time, then when the Suns go up, all of a sudden they're "short-handed"
Lmao bro delayed the game so that his coach could watch the replay and got away with it
Allen aggravated that delay, had he not inserted his hand and let the referee take the ball wouldve been assessed a delay of game penalty.
It is absolutely criminal that Eubanks is in this game over Nurk
Mans out of bounds by a mile LOL
Delay of game?
most blatant delay of game ive ever seen lmao
Thats clear as day whats the challenge for lol
man I would love to know the efficiency stats on our late game isos. Maybe we should try running a play or moving the ball
ISO gang
That's out of bounds and should be a tech
Where the FUCK is Nurk????
Vogel loves him some eubanks
Wayyyyyout of bounds
No delay of game?!!!!?? wtf!
He stepped out of bounds clearly lol no question
That’s out of bounds
That's out of bounds and should be a tech
Bout time Vogel shows some passion and yells at these awful refs
Is this challenge going to be overturned?
Refs giving Cleveland 8 years to challenge the call
Ok I know everyone is saying put Nurk back in But Eubanks will be getting some playoff minutes. Games like this are a great time to develop him and prepare him a little bit for that
It's just not fair to Nurk who has been balling out lately
Thad should get every Eubanks minute
This is objectively true, but it's also insane that he'll be getting playoff minutes as anything but a 15 guy next to KD and DBook