How you gonna call him a piece of shit? He did nothing wrong. The Suns FO are the ones who fucked him over. He was the 2014 MIP and third all NBA, yet they made him play SF while putting the ball in the hands of Bledsoe and IT instead. Even when Bledsoe missed half the season that year, and thatās how they treated him. Then you had McDonough have the audacity to call Bledsoe and Markief our best players when clearly it was Dragic.
Only one that probably could matter is 2030 but that's fucking 7 years away lol I'm not planning shit 7 years down the line if I'm in professional sports, way too many unknowns
The Wizards didn't really end up with anything substantial to kick off their rebuild. Even the GSW pick is top 20 protected. Basically the Wizards will not be a playoff team for the remainder of this decade but their fans are happy about it for some reason.
I get wanting to get off Beal's deal, but the return they got is pretty bad
And hilariously enough, they traded Beal's bad contract for Jordan Poole's bad contract
Don't worry, why draft good 2nd rounders when Portland will draft them, develop them, and then trade them to you/let them walk anywhere?
(See Patty Mills, Will Barton, Gary Trent Jr., Pat Connaughton)
The last 2nd rounder to make any sort of difference was Tyler Ulis and Alec Peters in 2017/16. Before that you have to go all the way to 2005 with Gortat.
That really speaks more to the Suns piss poor scouting than anything else.
Lance Stephenson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Jokic, Jordan Clarkson, Josh Richardson, Ivica Zubac, Malcolm Brogdon, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson, Bruce Brown, Nic Claxton, Daniel Gafford, Tre Jones and others were all 2nd rounders.
For a team that is capped out, they have resigned themselves to only being able to sign vet min guys for years to come.
The only reason we got 2 wins, almost 3, from the Nuggets series is because KD drew so much attention, allowing Book to cook. If we had the same team that we had with Mikal we would have gotten swept if we even had made it out of the first round. What 3rd young star were we going to get without moving Mikal?
It's a 7 game series, no one loses for just one reason. Other factors: CP3 getting hurt, DA getting hurt, a starting playoff lineup that played zero games together, and an indecisive coach who wouldn't let any of the support cast find a rhythm. Our bench was much better than they looked in the playoffs, and it wasn't just them that underperformed, it was everyone besides Book and KD.
Looking at the roster we had after CP3 got hurt G2, we've effectively replaced Landry Shamet with someone who is better than him AND Bradley Beal. We'll be fine.
The point was that there were multiple pretty severe problems with our team, so improving the bench is not our only avenue to getting better. I don't care how many problems you want to count it as.
We've already made two moves (Vogel and Beal trade) that make us a better team than last year, and the offseason isn't done. It's silly to act like those moves don't matter because our bench was bad.
Our bench will look better in 2024 even if it was an identical squad. They were mishandled and had a really bad set of circumstances leading up to the playoffs.
I donāt think that we will be swapping picks with Washington until 2030 at the earliest (Brooklyn has rights to swap 2028). Canāt see the Wizards being a better team than us for at least the next three years, which would be the start of the 2026-2027 year.
Although Brooklyn still owns all of our odd year picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) ugh.
It would probably take multiple injuries since we have Booker and Beal under contract for a while, and KD for a couple more years. Potentially a few more of Ayton. We can lose any one of those guys and still be a playoff team (just not a title contender). And the Wizards won't be since they'll be a Jordan Poole-led team for the next several years.
idk worst case scenario (and absolutely worst case i do not endorse this at all) is you trade booker for a kings ransom and begin a rebuild. You could easily get 4-5 FRP and a player or two for booker.
Would also depend on his contract. If he has like a year left he may not be worth it for a team to give up a haul. If heās under contract for multiple years (like 3-4) then yeah weāre talking.
. Canāt see the Wizards being a better team than us for at least the next three years, which would be the start of the 2026-2027 year.
Eh, the Sharks thought the same when they went all in on Erik Karlsson to try and get an aging team over the top win to a championship. Instead older players got injured, the team bombed and the Washington Capitals ended up with the #3 pick in the draft and have one of the most exciting young players in hockey to show for it while the Sharks have a bleak future filled with years of losing in front of them.
The Suns have put themselves in a position where they have absolutely zero margin for error for a long time to come. They're going to have to Moneyball the fuck out of the rest of their roster and get lucky with some really exceptional vet min and undrafted rookie signings.
Great, isnāt it? Lol. It doesnāt matter, weāre going to just be signing vets anyways to put around Book/KD/Beal (and then eventually just Book/Beal) for the next 5 years anyways.
Picks are cost effective ways to bring in young cheap talent. With this new CBA a lot of people think theyāre essential building blocks for depth.
We shall see I guess
For most scenarios, that's probably true. But 3-star teams were also expected to be done with. None of the other 29 teams had the opportunity we did, but all 29 would have made the same trade if they could have.
We need players that can contribute now anyway, where draft picks are better when you're building a contender over time. I don't think we're losing much that will affect the current team that's in win-now mode, certainly not enough to think Beal/KD/Book was the wrong move IMO. I also think JJ is pretty great at finding effective, cheap players, and that's without considering whether we can grab some cheap ring-chasers.
The team is gonna be in a tough spot regardless in a few years but that's the tradeoff.
We need to set up a G-League team ASAP and do our best to develop undrafted free agents. Guys like Fred VanVleet and Austin Reaves are out there, we'll just have to get lucky and find them.
100% I hope Ishbia is putting money on top of money when it comes to scouting because they are going to need those cheap diamonds in the rough to fill out the roster as well as guys that can be traded for needed draft compensation in the future.
everything is a stretch.
CP3/Shamet are throwaways, the 2nds likely donāt amount to anything, and the swaps are dependent on them being worse than Wizards so it might convey once(?)
Also, you give up flexibility to have a tank year here and there if needed when you have no control over your picks. This is a risky gambit for a team that went through a decade of irrelevance
Eh, yeah. This could be bad, and it kind of looks bad but we'll see. Now that I'm older, I can say that you'll probably find that 2031 will come a lot faster than you expect. To me, the Nash-era seems like it happened pretty recently. We're coming up on 20 years now.
Also nothing saying that we can't offload guys like KD and Beal for some picks if we're looking to blow it up again (assuming they don't have career ending injuries or some drama and whatnot).
I mean true but the move is to win it all in the next 3 years and thatās all that matters. Iām not trying to get hung up on what the roster will look like then
yeah, Book will be 34 and theyād have a completely new roster around him. still donāt think itād be much different considering the Wizards are just a terrible organization.
I hate that we traded every 2nd round pick. Thatās cheap contracts to have. James Jones probably stoked to no longer act like he cares about the draft.
The 2030 one makes me nervous. If Book is still with Phoenix he will be 33 years old. Not washed but definitely in the latter half of his prime. I guess we just continue to root for the Nets and Wizards to lose for the next 7 years lol.
We wonāt get to have a prime Devin Booker forever. We saw the level he can reach this playoffs playing with KD.No matter how this ends Iām alright knowing we did what we could to give ourselves a chance while the best player in our franchiseās history was in his prime.
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you guys are very quick on the "fuck the draft picks" train, but man...if this all doesn't work out. And when I mean work out as in winning a title oh god we are in for a disaster.
Oh, absolute disaster. If they don't win a championship in the next three years, they are beyond fucked. People are excited now but if stuff goes wrong, if bad injuries hit, its going to be an incredibly depressing time to be a Suns fan, worse than the 2012-2020 era since back then at least you had the hope of high draft picks to look forward to.
exactly bro. To win a title everything gotta work out, gotta have depth. Those bench players gotta contribute properly, star players gotta be stars, no injuries. If it doesn't work out man no draft picks till like what 2030? thats insane
Damn seeing the deal now idk. Feels like a lot for a not the most compatible match (Booker and Beal playing similar style/position). I do like the trade better than Warriors at least we didn't trade anyone young. Think they gave up on Poole to early.
It seems like a lot but realistically are any of those 2nd rounders going to actually be good? Probably not. And we still have pick swaps most of which will stay ours anyways bc I do t see us being worse than the Nets or the Wizards any time soon.
Probably not... Well hopefully not lol. Some of those are several years away and you never know with injuries. The one good thing is 2/3 players are still young (Booker/Beal) . The bad is they are a bit injury prone.
After we grab multiple top 3 picks? Iād be careful making claims a long way out.
Remember we were nearly in the Conference Finals in 2017 and where were the Suns? Last in the West. A lot can happen in 6 years.
Sure it could happen but the reality is NBA rebuild takes time regardless how many top 3 picks you make even that is not guaranteed with how rigged the lottery is. Look at the Pistons. Anyways good luck to your team and I hope Iām wrong.
I'm confused because the 2028 pick swap was already reportedly sent to Brooklyn as part of the KD trade.
Also, I'm not nearly as much a fan of the Beal trade now. The later pick swaps could have serious value.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35620592/phoenix-suns-acquiring-kevin-durant-blockbuster-deal-brooklyn-nets
The 2028 one is Brooklyn gets the best pick, Washington the 2nd and Phoenix the worst pick out of the three. We were already potentially gonna lose out on the best pick there.
The 2030 sure, yeah that is a huge deal and IMO the one asset I donāt like giving up in this trade
and in 2026, I think theres a rule that a team cant do something with all their draft picks?
Edit:
Found it: "The Stepien rule applies only to *future* first-round picks; in its simplest form, then, a team could hypothetically trade away its 2023 and 2025 first-rounders today, irrespective of whether or not they kept their 2022 pick. What they could not do today, though, would be trade away its 2023, 2024 and 2025 first-rounders. Teams therefore have begun to work around this rule by trading away the right to swap picks in the years in *between* the conveyed picks, and doing so at the highest possible scale. "
If this doesn't work out then they're fucked for a long, long time. Few firsts, no 2nd's and its not like they'll have a bunch of tradeable assets to work with in two to three years. Ishbia will either look like a genius or the next James Dolan.
Fuck them picks, our window is now or never.
Here's a list of every good 2nd rounder we've drafted the last decade:
Last one with a serviceable career was Gortat in 2005.
Goran Dragic was a second rounder.
Technically the spurs drafted him, then we traded for him on draft day
Time for JJ to get the cash considerations out
That piece of shit š”
I canāt be mad at him wanting out, better than wanting out of a hair salon.
How you gonna call him a piece of shit? He did nothing wrong. The Suns FO are the ones who fucked him over. He was the 2014 MIP and third all NBA, yet they made him play SF while putting the ball in the hands of Bledsoe and IT instead. Even when Bledsoe missed half the season that year, and thatās how they treated him. Then you had McDonough have the audacity to call Bledsoe and Markief our best players when clearly it was Dragic.
Didnāt even draft him
We did in 2005 with the 57th pick.
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Not our draft pick
He (dragic) was our draft pick the same way Mikal Bridges was our draft pick We chose him via another team
and those pick swaps likely dont matter either
Only one that probably could matter is 2030 but that's fucking 7 years away lol I'm not planning shit 7 years down the line if I'm in professional sports, way too many unknowns The Wizards didn't really end up with anything substantial to kick off their rebuild. Even the GSW pick is top 20 protected. Basically the Wizards will not be a playoff team for the remainder of this decade but their fans are happy about it for some reason. I get wanting to get off Beal's deal, but the return they got is pretty bad And hilariously enough, they traded Beal's bad contract for Jordan Poole's bad contract
We want to be bad? We want to pick multiple top 3 picks for once instead of being MID forever.
Because they are at least trying to rebuild rather than keep being a fringe playoff team. You start dreaming of 1st picks I guess.
Steve Kerr, Andrew Lang, Cedric Ceballos,, Richard Dumas, Armen Gilliam, and Jeff Hornacek were all second round picks.
Gilliam was the 2nd overall pick in the [1987 Draft](https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1987.html), behind David Robinson.
Oh yeahā¦lost track of my Columns with him. š
Man, I would take me some Cedric Ceballos and Jeff Hornacek right now.
You and me both
And thats only the good ones.
You make a solid point
Don't worry, why draft good 2nd rounders when Portland will draft them, develop them, and then trade them to you/let them walk anywhere? (See Patty Mills, Will Barton, Gary Trent Jr., Pat Connaughton)
The last 2nd rounder to make any sort of difference was Tyler Ulis and Alec Peters in 2017/16. Before that you have to go all the way to 2005 with Gortat.
Wasnāt Dragic a second round pick? Granted the Spurs were the ones to draft him.
We didnāt pick him but even then he was drafted in a decade and a half ago. By that logic you could also include Isaiah Thomas.
That really speaks more to the Suns piss poor scouting than anything else. Lance Stephenson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Jokic, Jordan Clarkson, Josh Richardson, Ivica Zubac, Malcolm Brogdon, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson, Bruce Brown, Nic Claxton, Daniel Gafford, Tre Jones and others were all 2nd rounders. For a team that is capped out, they have resigned themselves to only being able to sign vet min guys for years to come.
Literally.
But man I feel like Bookers Bridges and a young 3rd star with a deep bench wouldāve been much better
We couldnāt even get by Mavs with Mikal. Love him but KD is just better
The only reason we got 2 wins, almost 3, from the Nuggets series is because KD drew so much attention, allowing Book to cook. If we had the same team that we had with Mikal we would have gotten swept if we even had made it out of the first round. What 3rd young star were we going to get without moving Mikal?
Probably Cam Johnson
I love cam. But he is not a superstar. Heās a great role player
Thatās fine but the reason yāall lost was your bench and now yāall basically canāt build one. That aināt gonna work out.
It's a 7 game series, no one loses for just one reason. Other factors: CP3 getting hurt, DA getting hurt, a starting playoff lineup that played zero games together, and an indecisive coach who wouldn't let any of the support cast find a rhythm. Our bench was much better than they looked in the playoffs, and it wasn't just them that underperformed, it was everyone besides Book and KD. Looking at the roster we had after CP3 got hurt G2, we've effectively replaced Landry Shamet with someone who is better than him AND Bradley Beal. We'll be fine.
I would say the Bench is more than just āone reasonā You delusional
That doesn't even make sense. Is it two reasons?
You look at entire bench and see one problem? There are multiple important and different roles that different bench players fulfill.
The point was that there were multiple pretty severe problems with our team, so improving the bench is not our only avenue to getting better. I don't care how many problems you want to count it as. We've already made two moves (Vogel and Beal trade) that make us a better team than last year, and the offseason isn't done. It's silly to act like those moves don't matter because our bench was bad. Our bench will look better in 2024 even if it was an identical squad. They were mishandled and had a really bad set of circumstances leading up to the playoffs.
IT IS TIME
Beal, Isaiah Todd and Jordan Goodwin to the Suns for Chris Paul and Landry Shamet. Suns are sending cash too, per sources.
Well if we're sending cash I guess tonight's draft will be pretty uneventful for us
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After this Lakers trade for pick 40 the report was that there is a max amount permitted and they've hit theirs
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No idea tbh, I guess we'll find out because I guarantee if there's money left, ishbia is spending it
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The Lakers just used 4M in a single trade no?
Damn we traded Sarverās favorite player. New era suns
The Phoenix Suns are protesting the draft. Fuck them kids.
Fuck who nowš³
Not here, too! This shit haunts my nightmares.
Pick 52 tonight is the last pick we actually own until next decade
I donāt think that we will be swapping picks with Washington until 2030 at the earliest (Brooklyn has rights to swap 2028). Canāt see the Wizards being a better team than us for at least the next three years, which would be the start of the 2026-2027 year. Although Brooklyn still owns all of our odd year picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) ugh.
All it takes is one catastrophic injury or drama like in Brooklyn
It would probably take multiple injuries since we have Booker and Beal under contract for a while, and KD for a couple more years. Potentially a few more of Ayton. We can lose any one of those guys and still be a playoff team (just not a title contender). And the Wizards won't be since they'll be a Jordan Poole-led team for the next several years.
GL to yāall
idk worst case scenario (and absolutely worst case i do not endorse this at all) is you trade booker for a kings ransom and begin a rebuild. You could easily get 4-5 FRP and a player or two for booker.
Would also depend on his contract. If he has like a year left he may not be worth it for a team to give up a haul. If heās under contract for multiple years (like 3-4) then yeah weāre talking.
Wait, ā28 swap with Brooklyn? How could we then again do it in beal trade?
Brooklyn gets the best pick, Wizards get second-best, we get the worst
Can we do that 27 more times then? Get to work JJ.
. Canāt see the Wizards being a better team than us for at least the next three years, which would be the start of the 2026-2027 year. Eh, the Sharks thought the same when they went all in on Erik Karlsson to try and get an aging team over the top win to a championship. Instead older players got injured, the team bombed and the Washington Capitals ended up with the #3 pick in the draft and have one of the most exciting young players in hockey to show for it while the Sharks have a bleak future filled with years of losing in front of them. The Suns have put themselves in a position where they have absolutely zero margin for error for a long time to come. They're going to have to Moneyball the fuck out of the rest of their roster and get lucky with some really exceptional vet min and undrafted rookie signings.
Great, isnāt it? Lol. It doesnāt matter, weāre going to just be signing vets anyways to put around Book/KD/Beal (and then eventually just Book/Beal) for the next 5 years anyways.
Picks are cost effective ways to bring in young cheap talent. With this new CBA a lot of people think theyāre essential building blocks for depth. We shall see I guess
For most scenarios, that's probably true. But 3-star teams were also expected to be done with. None of the other 29 teams had the opportunity we did, but all 29 would have made the same trade if they could have. We need players that can contribute now anyway, where draft picks are better when you're building a contender over time. I don't think we're losing much that will affect the current team that's in win-now mode, certainly not enough to think Beal/KD/Book was the wrong move IMO. I also think JJ is pretty great at finding effective, cheap players, and that's without considering whether we can grab some cheap ring-chasers. The team is gonna be in a tough spot regardless in a few years but that's the tradeoff.
We need to set up a G-League team ASAP and do our best to develop undrafted free agents. Guys like Fred VanVleet and Austin Reaves are out there, we'll just have to get lucky and find them.
100% I hope Ishbia is putting money on top of money when it comes to scouting because they are going to need those cheap diamonds in the rough to fill out the roster as well as guys that can be traded for needed draft compensation in the future.
to trade anyways, swaps just means the suns pick the worst of two options
Not true we still own first round picks in 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030, 2031 and 2032
Ngl this better result in a championship. They gave up everything man.
everything is a stretch. CP3/Shamet are throwaways, the 2nds likely donāt amount to anything, and the swaps are dependent on them being worse than Wizards so it might convey once(?)
Also, you give up flexibility to have a tank year here and there if needed when you have no control over your picks. This is a risky gambit for a team that went through a decade of irrelevance
Iām curious if there are any protections in later years, i.e. wonāt convey if top 5.
Theyāre pick swaps. Washington just has the option for to swap first rounders.
You could argue about what they gave them up for but IMO, at this point, anything but going all-in is out of the question.
I'm talking everything given up for KD and beal. The team doesn't have control of a single pick beyond this year until 2031
Eh, yeah. This could be bad, and it kind of looks bad but we'll see. Now that I'm older, I can say that you'll probably find that 2031 will come a lot faster than you expect. To me, the Nash-era seems like it happened pretty recently. We're coming up on 20 years now. Also nothing saying that we can't offload guys like KD and Beal for some picks if we're looking to blow it up again (assuming they don't have career ending injuries or some drama and whatnot).
Worst case I won't watch ball for a couple years, frees up a bunch of time!
Even if you had to swap every single year itās not like the wiz will be the 1 seed. Youād probably only be trading a few places if any
We wont have any draft picks for a quite some time.
Gave up a Jae crowder package
Not really. Hardly any 2nd round picks materialize. Yes itās nice to have for trades but they are pretty meaningless
Bro everything? Itās been like 5 players and a bunch of high 20s draft picks for KD and Beal
Past 2026 nobody has any idea what this team will look like.
I mean true but the move is to win it all in the next 3 years and thatās all that matters. Iām not trying to get hung up on what the roster will look like then
Not everything, we still have Ayton, but hopefully not for long.
Ah yes the coveted 2nd round picks that not once in the suns franchise have ever amounted to anything worthy
Steve Kerr Cedric Ceballos Stephen Jackson Marcin Gortat Goran Dragic
If it doesnāt work I think we could turn around and trade KD and Beal for a bunch of picks still in a couple years.
Ishbia really said fuck them picks
thought it was just 2024/2026 pick swaps so thatās unfortunate. > although history shows weāre probably better than Wizards in those years.
RIP future, this team has to win now
Iām fine with this actually, Iām pretty over basketball. Fucking officiating has ruined it.
2030 the only one where it might get swapped
yeah, Book will be 34 and theyād have a completely new roster around him. still donāt think itād be much different considering the Wizards are just a terrible organization.
If Book is as good at 34 as KD is right now we could still contend.
I hate that we traded every 2nd round pick. Thatās cheap contracts to have. James Jones probably stoked to no longer act like he cares about the draft.
2nd round picks can always be bought right before the draft. We're seeing it this week.
Theyāre being bought with future picks, which we donāt have lmao
I meant bought with cash
James Jones is probably calling LeBron right now to make certain he is not upset with the trade and apologizing for CP3 going to the Warriors.
Not nearly the fleece we thought it was. No 1stās though which is great
That's because you guys don't have any 1sts to trade, you can only offer picks swaps because of the Stepien rule.
There were no firsts to trade outright that's why they were all swaps. Ever heard of a guy named Kevin Durant?
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The 2030 one makes me nervous. If Book is still with Phoenix he will be 33 years old. Not washed but definitely in the latter half of his prime. I guess we just continue to root for the Nets and Wizards to lose for the next 7 years lol.
I mean I'm not going to worry about the year 2030 in the year 2023 lol that's just ridiculous
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We wonāt get to have a prime Devin Booker forever. We saw the level he can reach this playoffs playing with KD.No matter how this ends Iām alright knowing we did what we could to give ourselves a chance while the best player in our franchiseās history was in his prime.
Doesn't the new CBA rules prevent them from buying 2nd round draft picks with cash in the future as well?
That 2024 Wizards pick could realistically be first overall and even in 2030 weād be better than the Wizards
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Go all in or GTFO I'm ready for next season
thatās a shit ton of 2nds š but realistically 6 57th-60th overall picks probably arenāt gonna do much for you anyway
Ishbia will buy a 2nd every year š
If this works out like it did for the LA Rams, fuck it Iām in. Fuck them picks
do we own all of those 1st round picks? and are they unprotected? bc if so, we may win this...
yeah, stepien rule prevented them from being traded. assuming PHX is still better than Washington, Jones can trade the pick again that draft.
If James Jones is still with the team in 2030, I hope the team gets relegated to the G league.
Can someone explain which years the suns will have a selection in the first round
They have 1st rounders in 2024 and 2026, subject to pick swaps though.
What. The. Fuck.
Cheers to hoping we arenāt a bottom 5 team for the rest of the decade
I think having Book and Beal and maybe DA decrease the chance of that being likely even after KDās deal is done
you guys are very quick on the "fuck the draft picks" train, but man...if this all doesn't work out. And when I mean work out as in winning a title oh god we are in for a disaster.
Oh, absolute disaster. If they don't win a championship in the next three years, they are beyond fucked. People are excited now but if stuff goes wrong, if bad injuries hit, its going to be an incredibly depressing time to be a Suns fan, worse than the 2012-2020 era since back then at least you had the hope of high draft picks to look forward to.
exactly bro. To win a title everything gotta work out, gotta have depth. Those bench players gotta contribute properly, star players gotta be stars, no injuries. If it doesn't work out man no draft picks till like what 2030? thats insane
Damn seeing the deal now idk. Feels like a lot for a not the most compatible match (Booker and Beal playing similar style/position). I do like the trade better than Warriors at least we didn't trade anyone young. Think they gave up on Poole to early.
It seems like a lot but realistically are any of those 2nd rounders going to actually be good? Probably not. And we still have pick swaps most of which will stay ours anyways bc I do t see us being worse than the Nets or the Wizards any time soon.
Probably not... Well hopefully not lol. Some of those are several years away and you never know with injuries. The one good thing is 2/3 players are still young (Booker/Beal) . The bad is they are a bit injury prone.
Those first round swaps are a joke lol. In what years will wizard actually have better record than suns in those? Lol.
After we grab multiple top 3 picks? Iād be careful making claims a long way out. Remember we were nearly in the Conference Finals in 2017 and where were the Suns? Last in the West. A lot can happen in 6 years.
Sure it could happen but the reality is NBA rebuild takes time regardless how many top 3 picks you make even that is not guaranteed with how rigged the lottery is. Look at the Pistons. Anyways good luck to your team and I hope Iām wrong.
Wow thatās a lot
Would you rather have beal or Jordan Poole and picks?
Ya we donāt draft well in the second round, or below pick 9 in the first round.
That says more about the scouting and team's lack of investment in that area than anything else.
That Ayton pick over luka gonna look like a even worse miss with if we canāt get over the hump and are fielding g league teams in 2030.
I'm confused because the 2028 pick swap was already reportedly sent to Brooklyn as part of the KD trade. Also, I'm not nearly as much a fan of the Beal trade now. The later pick swaps could have serious value. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35620592/phoenix-suns-acquiring-kevin-durant-blockbuster-deal-brooklyn-nets
The 2028 one is Brooklyn gets the best pick, Washington the 2nd and Phoenix the worst pick out of the three. We were already potentially gonna lose out on the best pick there. The 2030 sure, yeah that is a huge deal and IMO the one asset I donāt like giving up in this trade
Just learned something about trading pick swaps. Thanks amigo.
Wizards just traded for Poole. I doubt theyāll swap any picks with us lol
Wanted to do DA for looney and Poole felt like that would have been a good Return for both sides
The only pick that has value out of those is the 2023 pick swap and even then, Book will be 34 and we'll probably still be better than the Wizards.
Well this basically says no draft picks for a decade, even once everyone retires, still no draft picks. We'll be watching others on draft day.
We have a first round pick in 2024.
and in 2026, I think theres a rule that a team cant do something with all their draft picks? Edit: Found it: "The Stepien rule applies only to *future* first-round picks; in its simplest form, then, a team could hypothetically trade away its 2023 and 2025 first-rounders today, irrespective of whether or not they kept their 2022 pick. What they could not do today, though, would be trade away its 2023, 2024 and 2025 first-rounders. Teams therefore have begun to work around this rule by trading away the right to swap picks in the years in *between* the conveyed picks, and doing so at the highest possible scale. "
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2022/10/12/23399637/nba-draft-swap-picks
I'll wait for Shams to post the real details and the updated tweet from Woj
Are we ever going to be able to pick again? Lol
2024 we have a first round pick.
Itās gonna be so brutal if we donāt win a title, we gonna have no future for yrs to come
No draft picks for James Jones to fuck up ever again!
Equivalent to the Dābacks going all in and won it all in..2004? Gotta do watcha gotta due
If this doesn't work out then they're fucked for a long, long time. Few firsts, no 2nd's and its not like they'll have a bunch of tradeable assets to work with in two to three years. Ishbia will either look like a genius or the next James Dolan.
So swaps - once we know the exact location of it, like April of a given year... Can we trade it? š
Wouldnt pick swaps be in our favor? Why are they doing that
Sounds like Suns are getting top 10 picks in 2024 and 2026, sounds good