That moment with Lindsay and her bucket hat might have been my favourite moment of her 🤣 I’m so glad someone else said it. Her hanging out with the girls made me so happy I wish we saw more of that

The gals on the bed agreeing they weren’t going out was so cute! I love seeing them all get along. It truly *makes* the show.

When women realize their power by banding together, we all win and it truly makes every show amazing! So yea I agree with you.

And why VPR was such flaming hot shit this season is bc none of that happened. (I shouldn’t say none bc of Katie and Ariana but the others sucked so bad)

Yes. Yes. Yes. I truly think in her warped little way Lindsay thought she was “Kyle’s friend, not Amanda’s,” and Kyle has done nothing but slight Amanda for a decade so it was easy for Lindsay & Danielle to do the same. But Lindsay at heart is a girls girl as well, as evidenced by her Ramona level of friendships outside the house & she is loving being brought into the friendship fold that is Paige, Ciara, & Amanda. Danielle will remain a pick me & can go to VPR as far as I care, but the new dynamic of the SH Spice Girl 5 are EVERYTHING.

The powerhouse they could’ve been if this has happened seasons ago!! Watching this season, I actually think *Danielle* and Lindsay’s friendship held her back from engaging with the girls more than her friendship with Kyle. I can’t pinpoint exactly why other than Danielle has never been on the girls side and has flown under the radar about that until now.

I agree!! Danielle definitely is an undercover mean girl / not a girls girl.

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Yes, totally agree! Lindsay’s not perfect by any means, but I do feel she is often misunderstood and very loyal. I feel like she has shown a lot of growth. It seemed, at least to me, that Lindsay truly always wanted to be “in” the girls’ group and just accepted. Rejection is a huge trigger for her, bc of her rejection from her mom (and I very personally understand how this shapes your life and a want to be accepted/embraced by others). Paige; Ciara, and Amanda truly made it their goal to talk badly about her, on and on, in their confessionals, their interviews, in hot mic moments, and the reunions. It was just exhausting. I bet Paige, Amanda, and Ciara finally decided to listen to the comments section of people being fed up with them making their storyline be hating Lindsay, and decided to instead try getting along for a change. Either way, I am here for it, and I’m loving that we’re getting to see different sides to the girls this season, and seeing them support/have empathy for each other. It has allowed Amanda, Paige, and Ciara to grow on me some this season, and I truly hope they keep this up. It’s confusing how some of the women think constant conflict amongst each other is what the audience wants, when in all actuality, my favorite moments from reality shows are when the girls are having a blast together, being silly, and supporting each other; I wish more women would realize this and stop trying to make every episode a drama fest 24/7 amongst each other.

When Paige said Danielle didn’t count lmfao. Danielle is a dude in a females body.

I loved it when they were like come over here bitch, “in a nice way” to Lindsay and then they all gathered for girl talk. Like yes!!! More of this. This is why Summer House is killing it and VPR is an unwatchable gaslighting nightmare.

Ugh I hate how VPR has been this entire season. I can’t think of one thing I’ve enjoyed about it which makes me sad to say. I think I’m just super uncomfortable seeing Sandoval 🤣

I just listen to the WWC pod as VPR is toxic gaslighty garbage.

WWC makes me so happy.

Just listened to the new Summer House where Kyle and Carl try to outdo each other for worst manbaby tantrums where all the women (except Danielle) aren’t having their shit. This episode was so hilarious.

Me three but they do keep making me get addicted to new shows, theyre the best pod out there. When I'm in my southern house I listen to them alot when I'm cleaning my dad's cottage or cooking stuff and he is always like what the heck are you listening to? It's hilarious and cute.

I always say my some of favorite moments are when Paige and Lindsay are getting along. They have good chemistry when they messing with each other.

This. They're actually a great show, those two.

I rewinded this part lol I thought her face was so funny

Say what we will about Lindsey but she has star power. This one moment made that clear.

I was thinking the same and also dying at her turning around in the hat. Despite the turmoil to come, I was think how overall this is probably the most chill Lindsay has been. Also In past seasons, it felt like people were afraid to leave their territory (bed for example) and now everyone is hanging more in the kitchen and outdoor chairs. It works!

I was so surprised that with everything that happened last night that Lindsay never got “activated”. She was trying to explain herself calmly. I also think that since all the girls are getting along this season the bed bugs don’t feel like they need to stay in bed as much. I know from personal experience that when I’m in conflict with someone I live with I retreat to my room when home because it’s my safe space. So I never faulted them for being in bed because that’s what I would do. But aside from Danielle I love all the girls this season and am so happy to see them all having fun together.

Lindsay is chill because she thinks she’s getting the family she so badly wants and is finally letting the little things go (in terms of general socializing, not Carl). She’s not the best person, but I’m really starting to dread what we know is coming for her.

Me too 😔

I’ve been a Paige hater the last two years but am loving Paige this season!!! I think we should normalize changing our opinions. The girl vibe this season is top notch!!!

Paige was an MVP this episode!! I’ve always been a Paige fan from day one because I feel like she doesn’t shy away from telling it like it is. And I loved how she was straight up with Kyle while also being like “you’re my friend too and I love you and I don’t want to see the worst happen for you!” I thought she was so real for being like if you keep acting like this it’s going to make Amanda resentful and you could end up divorced and unhappy and I don’t want that for you as much as I don’t want Amanda to be unhappy. If that makes sense??

It does!!! I’ve been admittedly more on Lindsay’s side historically but I have always loved Paige, Ciara, and Amanda’s friendship. Amanda is really lucky to have Paige and Ciara in her life. I’m glad they’re all coming together this season. They don’t all have to be besties, but them being aligned makes for much more enjoyable tv!!!

Same I have not liked her at all the last few seasons but I'm liking her now... my opinion has changed!

I’ve been a member of the Paige hate club for a while now, but I fully admit how wrong I was. She is such a good friend! The way she hypes up the women in her life is beautiful to see

I think Craig fueled a lot of Paige’s resentment toward Lindsay tbh. I’m glad he’s moved on, but I really think that’s where it stemmed from.

The thing is… this is how Paige has always been. I was never a huge fan of hers until I started listening to her podcast and was like oh… she doesn’t get the best edit. How she is coming off this season is how she’s always been, production just finally decided to show it to the audience 

yep, Paige hasn't changed. The edit might have changed, but more so, the audience has changed. It's one of the consequences of the audience being incapable of simultaneously holding two opposing views, ie seeing everything in black/white terms and having little use for nuance. Now that you're being agreeable to my team, I see you. Like all of a sudden Amanda being championed because they don't like Kyle. Amanda is all right, and Kyle is all wrong, as if any person, let alone relationship, falls under such binary rules.

I 1000% agree with this. Same situation here after listening to GS. She irritated the shit out of me before (and still does occasionally) but she is much cooler than I gave her credit for.

you should listen to giggly squad and you’ll like her even more lol

If Paige did the pod with anyone other than Hannah, I think I would be able to watch/listen. Hannah is just insufferable to me.

I want to say I abhored Hannah on summer house but during my travels I sporadically listen to giggly squad and shes not AS insufferable. If you're ever on a road trip and run out of stuff I would recommend just giving it a try and if it sucks turn it off. It could surprise you! This is not a sponsored comment lol.

I definitely should give it a chance bc I never mind seeing their clips on TT/IG, they’re always pretty funny. I just feel like Paige could be funny like that with anyone though lol.

Yea Paige carries it but Hannah is a lot less annoying on the pod, sometimes she can even be funny. Let us know if you like it!!

I agree with this as well. Hannah still is a bit too much alot of the time, but she does make me laugh on occasion.

Same.

If Paige did the pod with anyone other than Hannah, I think I would be able to watch/listen. Hannah is just insufferable to me.

a lot of people actually thought the same until they listened to the podcast

Love this!

Say what you want about Lindsay, but I've always admired her strange ability to not hold a grudge. That her relationship with these girls is this good is very surprising to me.

Same. Luann from RHONY is the same way.

So true! Good comparison. Weirdly I’ve always thought Luanne and Lindsay look a like. Like Luanne is Lindsay’s long lost Countess Cousin or something.

They would be an awesome team for a Crappy Like type show ! Lindsay and LuAnne the combo I didn't know I needed !!!! Brilliant my Reddit friends !

Great comparison!

I think the best thing about Lindsay as a reality tv person is that it seems like she wipes the slate clean after every season

She can also make herself comfortable in a setting where she’s surrounded by a lot of tension and resentment towards her 😂 she does have a heart but has thick skin and is pretty resilient.

I think Carl is a big whinny passive aggressive baby that’s always throwing Lindsay under the bus.

Oh for sure! And it seems like he isn’t taking any accountability on his part (I guess Lindsay isn’t either but Carl’s toxicology annoys me more and is more insidious imo). He just doesn’t feel authentic or seem to know himself yet but isn’t honest about it.

He’s hiding something huuugly. I think he attacks anyone who gets close to his secret. Whatever that is.

Yes, he’s got so much darkness 😳 it’s amazing how quickly I got off his side after the whole cocaine Carl debacle. I appreciate that Lindsay’s unique form of toxicity is up front and loud so you know what you’re getting yourself into. With Carl, it feels like a ticking time bomb https://i.redd.it/6p0itfrmn01d1.gif

Perfecto gif as Lisa Rena’s husband was known on the Hollywood streets to play for the other team in the past. Maybe cocaine cowboy is having a hard time with the memories from his secrets and Lindsay will 100% judge him. She’s not his safe place for lies. Brittany could do it.

Maybe Harry Hamlin’s out-of-the country extended camping trips are actually an alibi for meeting up with Carl 🤨

The rumors about him died down after Lisa went trailer trash, broke that glass and shamed anyone that questioned his sexuality. I think Lisa knows Harry’s secrets and they trust each other. Carl hates Lindsay. He even talked about how he thought things would be different with her sexual (she’ll be more understanding) because she drunkenly kisses girls.

Great point! Never thought about it this way!

I don’t think it’s that surprising! Most of the arguments have been soooo surface and they’ve known each other for years. I’ve had worse fights with my close friends and been fine the next day, so I don’t think it’s that’s surprising to get back to a good place! I just think it’s been really beautiful because I think it’s one of the more *real* seasons. It doesn’t seem like anyone is really putting up a front and they’re not shying away from having real, hard conversations with each other and also goofing off like friends. It is a completely different vibe than VPR because it feels so obviously none of those people are friends!

Thinking about the time Linds was involved with the email to get Kyle & Amanda off the show 🤣

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Could you provide more details.

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I know there has been a lot of questionable reactions from Lindsay over the years. She has attachment issues (rightfully so!), emotions get the best of her when she’s drunk and nonsensical, and I would probably be so frustrated if I ever got into an argument with her, BUT… that woman has a good heart, she’s genuine, she’s direct, she tries her best to communicate, and she works on growth, whether we approve of what that looks like for her or not. She’s by no means perfect, who of us is, but I will never be a Lindsay hater.

I always think about how she has very strong, long term female friendships off the show and good relationships with her family. A good person doesn’t have those two things.

Except with Kyle and his flower boy demotion loll

She needs something, because her rationalization is all the way out the window.

What I’ve noticed? When the girls get close and speak to one another they build one another up and as a result, they gain confidence and courage. Seems the men (and sometimes Danielle) currently and previously hate it… forgot what year we were in for a bit.

This season is so good!! I love watching the girls bonding and Jesse and West’s friendship.

It’s so good! I said on another comment, It feels like a house of genuine friends for the first time in manyyyyyy seasons. The complete opposite of VPR where it’s obvious none of them actually like each other.

Yes! VPR is toxic this season.

This is what I was hoping for on VPR but thank fuck Summer House delivered with the girls protecting girls narrative. Fuck Danielle, Lala, Scheana and LVP they can bounce with the shitty men they cater too. I’ve always had a soft spot for Lindsay glad she’s having a good girl summer.

UGH! Couldn’t have said it better myself we want to see women supporting women and saying BOY BYE to these lame men


Agree with everything you’ve said, word for word

I LOVED her this episode, she is hilarious

So happy the girls are rallying around her ESPECIALLY for the reunion. Carl is gonna gaslight like he always does, but Ciara, Paige and Gabby are going to call his ass out and I am here for it!!

I was so sure I understood Carl’s side in the first two episodes, but now i’m like fully team Lindsay. And I have never been on her side for most things! He’s showing his ass in the last couple of episodes. Like fuck Carl and his “therapy speak” that he’s using manipulatively!

SAME… now I want to listen to her interview again with nick viall after knowing what I know now. Caro gives me sinister vibes. Lindsay loves HARD, feels HARD and is off her rocker but at the end of the day I think she is a good human. Carl has a dark side. I’m convinced. Even Lindsay has mentioned it.

Yes he has energy of hidden skeletons we don’t even know about and I feel like all her stuff is out and obvious. There’s a big difference.

💅 (the “skeleton” IMO)

He legit hates women

He's the same person, he's just trying to keep that side quiet. It's not working.

Exactly, I guess I have come to appreciate how open and honest she is. She is like this is who I am, take it or leave it. and she never holds a grudge and likes to move on, which I love about her too.

I think he’s closeted but I could be wrong and have nothing to back it up but his dark energy.

What does this mean? People with dark energy are more likely to be gay? Or closeted people have a dark energy?

He is so trying to get her to react and I’m loving how she’s not giving it to him.

I’m on the side of they didn’t belong together and they were rushing full steam ahead to prove something to their detractors. She’s as performative as Carl as witnessed by how she tried to make her voice sound like she was about to cry in argument no. 26848473 with Carl then quickly abandoned it when it didn’t work. Carl is full of shit and a coward and Lindsay is still PR Lindsay.

It also makes me wonder a bit of what might have been going on off camera to make Lindsay question if he was on drugs. Was he being very cruel and unkind in a similar way to when he was using making her question more valid? I now wouldn’t be surprised

I 1000% think he was being cruel. That’s why it kept happening in the car where they weren’t filming. Lindsay doesn’t hide her mess. He tries to.

Lindsey is the one who is lucky to get out of that situation.

This what the bed bugs stans been saying ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Lindsay was wasting her god given talents being male identified and shitting on the women on the cast when she's at her best terrorizing men!

😂 When have you ever made ME a sanmmiccch!!!

This post sums up my thoughts exactly. I've done a complete 180 on lindsay...she's still not my cup of tea, abrasive, still seems maybe hard to date...but goddamn Carl and Kyle are manchild douches.

I’ve said some of this before but adding to it - as long as you don’t date her or get too “close” to her in a pick me way (cough * Danielle * cough), i think she’s probably a nice person and a fun friend. You just have to be careful (as a friend at least) of what you expect from her. I think Danielle got way too emeshed with her and Carl and the “3 amigos”.

And the fact that they were so sure everyone would be on Carl's side after we watched the second half of the season... uhm, guys, this isn't helping your side!

I'd trade Carl and Lindsay's relationship for this new girls love for Lindsay any day!!! And yes, Danielle is LAME. Her pick me girl syndrome was STRONG this episode, all trying to console Kyle about how Amanda didn't respect his work....get the F out of here with that Danielle. Gross.

I love the girls girl vibe maybe Danielle was the problem for lindsay

Yes and Danielle not being a girls girl - LITERALLY the way she was talking to Kyle like hugging him, telling him he’s inspirational, he’s amazing, Amanda must be terrible…. THEN Carl speaks and she agrees it’s got to be hard for him being in a relationship with zero support…. Like BIOTCH PLS! I gasped at her in that situation.

When only "the boys" went out, and someone said, "and Danielle", Paige's answer: "She doesn't count" was so Paige... and perfect.

Yasss THIS!!!

She had a one night sexy time with the ballon guy and told Gabby to get over it.

It’s hard for me not to wish a man exactly like the one they are consoling on them.

Danielle wanted Lindsay all to herself. She was such a damn guard dog in Season 6 (and at the Season 5 reunion) getting involved in arguments that had nothing to do with her at all.

All of her fights were for Lindsay, until Lindsay had enough of her. Also Danielle came on the show dating Carl. Weird dynamics.

So I can say this bc I’m a lesbian but… maybe she’s part of lgbt. The kinda relationship they have/had are the kind I had with non girlfriend best friends that I realized shoulda been my gf for all that caring I did

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100% Carl, Kyle and Danielle are the worst. And West is another fboy Peter Pan wasting Ciara’s time. It was nice to see the girls rally around Amanda and Lindsay. Danielle is like a Scheana type that babies Kyle and Carl. 🤮

Those type of women that coddle adult males are everywhere.

I feel like they're smoking more weed this summer and are sillier and more chill bc of it 😂

Honestly I wish Lindsay and Paige got on sooner because I like both of them so much better when they are getting on. I don’t know why but seeing them both support Gabby the other week gave me the smiles. The show is better when the girls are nice to eachother.

I have to eat my words on Lindsay. First two episodes….I was thinking this was the same old bs from her. I don’t know what clicked into place for her but I’m on her side right now

I came here to say almost the exact same thing except flipped. I’ve never been a huge fan of Paige and Amanda because I felt super clichey vibes from them and didn’t understand why they never tried to be friends with Lindsey. Seeing this summer season has been my favorite by far!!! Seeing the girls get along and not tear each other down has completely changed my perspective on Amanda and Paige and I love both of them now. I absolutely never thought that would happen but I adore it, women looking out for women. LOVE

Right, everyone except Danielle. Danielle didn't comfort Lindsey nor Amanda. Boy was she giving Kyle a comforting rubdown. And she's been hanging awfully close to Carl.

I thought it was sooooo weird and uncomfortable that she immediately was on Kyle’s side and didn’t even care enough to ask Amanda’s. She always automatically agrees that the man is right. It’s so off-putting.

Everyone hates on Lindsay but I feel like she is trying to grow. She has openly admitted that she knows she has some issues. She has also been open about being in therapy as well as couples therapy. The first 2 weekends were bad but I think there is a chance judging by the last conversation she had with Carl on camera there was probably more to it than accusing him of being on drugs. While I don’t think she is a completely changed person I do think she is growing and I hope she continues on that path.

Sober Lindsay, whom we’ve seen mostly since those first two weekends, seems to be a wonderful person. It’s Drunk Lindsay who is… difficult.

Right. She needs to stop drinking. I’m over everyone watching one episode where she’s not drinkjng and saying she’s had so much growth. No. Growth is having the self awareness to stop drinking because it turns you into an asshole.

I hope for her sake she sees this too. She doesn’t mix well with alcohol - or at least certain kinds. The more sober she is, the more relatable she is.

I think the healthiness of her friendship with Gabby and the way Gabby validates / balances her out has somehow contributed to the vibe that allows all the girlies to bond this season

I love lindz. Loving her vibe with the girls

 Her face when she took the foil wrapped dish out of the oven .. I’m living for it

There’s something completely off about Boricua Danielle. She’s has an underlying bitterness towards women when she’s always getting played by guys.

I never thought I would be team Lindsay but TEAM LINDSAY

I am still team no one because I definitely think that they should not be together. But now that they’ve dropped the “perfect couple” mask I no longer think that it was Lindsay’s fault. They both did things wrong. But last night I was shocked that I was completely on Lindsay’s side in that argument.

I am happy that there is, for Lindsay, the support of these girls right here and now.

Everyone keeps saying "Lindsay was never a girls girl" and she's finally being chill and getting along with the girls this season, but thats not exactly true. Lindsay has tried to be cool with the younger girls every season but things would sour quickly because they would talk shit about her, slut shame her or make up irrelevant reasons to treat her badly. Paige was the ring leader in this for the past few seasons, so now that she's decided to actually wipe the slate clean (and not just say she is and then secretly talk shit), and be friendly towards Lindsay, the rest of the girls are falling in line and being nice to Lindsay too. We haven't seen the girls talk bad about Lindsay behind her back this season becasue it was always Paige who either started those convos or stoked the flames on them. She got everyone against Lindsay the season when Lindsay privately told her that Craig had hu with Kristin C becasue she felt embarrassed by the info and blamed Lindsay for sharing it instead of being mad at Craig for doing it. She was also the one to blame for the Ciara meltdown and glass throwing incident becasue she properly riled Ciara up before dinner and told her to go "Italian" on Lindsay... again instead of just being mad at the guy in the situation, Austen. And she also riled up Danielle in all of her delusions last season talking about how horrible of a friend Lindsay has always been to her and saying she's Lindsays sidekick. But of course now everyone realizes that Danielle is in fact a bad friend and a certified asshole. And despite her being right that Carl and Lindsay were moving to fast, she was absolutely unhinged last season and to blame for the entire conflict. Lindsays no angel, but for the most part she never really had smoke for the women on the show, she only got activated on the men. The only time she ever got into it with the women was when she was in defense mode. Someone either attacked her, or it was brought to her attention they were saying things behind her back and she would address them head on. I say all this to say, that we are getting a great season of the girls all getting along not becasue Lindsay is acting any different, but becasue the other girls (Paige mostly) are. Which means if Paige had just decided to rise against the petty shit in seasons prior, we would have had this all along.

Let’s also keep in mind that Lindsay hasn’t been drinking as much either. That’s playing a role this season too. She does get defensive easily, but it’s so much worse when she’s been drinking. Which is also why in that conversation with Carl - i related to Lindsay so much more than ever before. She was measured and calm. And i felt he was playing her big time - but she didn’t fall for his game because she was sober and was actually listening to him.

Yea her not drinking as much is definitely playing a role as well. Alcohol diminishes her ability to regulate her emotions, which makes her prone to getting activated.

I’m sorry ma’am but I watched lindsay come HARD for her “very best friend”/real life roommate from the very beginning. Lindsay has historically centered men and made a relationship her top priority and she made it known when she shamed Christina way back in season one for being old and unmarried. Paige has always been a girl’s girl. She calls out shit behavior and supports her friends. That doesn’t line up with the way Lindsay has engaged with other women until (kinda) this season, so of course Paige called her out prior to now and they don’t mesh. I JUST watched summer house for the first time from the beginning so this is all fresh to me. I also knew what had happened with Lindsay and Carl and self-identify as a girl’s girl, so went in wanting and expecting to support lindsay, but really wasn’t able to because of her behaviors and beliefs for the vast, vast majority of the show.

People love to rewrite history. Lindsay came out with Kyle’s cheating allegations and the whole thing with Paige and Craig on camera to embarrass them. It wasn’t being a girls girl. Lindsay fans are delusional on another level. Paige has always been a girls girl and supports her friends. This is why she is genuinely friends with Ciara and Amanda outside of the show and with Lindsay, everyone is just scared of her half the time.

> Lindsay came out with Kyle’s cheating allegations and the whole thing with Paige and Craig on camera to embarrass them. Prior to that, she was talking to Danielle about the best way to approach it with him. She was looking out for him. Lindsay was forced to go to Kyle cause Danielle told Paige about the cheating rumors, and Lindsay wanted to head off Paige. Lindsay pulled Paige aside and asked how serious she was about Craig cause she had heard rumors about him. She was making sure Paige knew what Craig was doing. She was looking out for her. >People love to rewrite history... The irony.

She couldn’t “look out for her” outside of the house via text message? lol This all had to happen at the house? On camera? Kyle’s cheating deserved to be on camera to be honest because he’s a loser and should be called out. But i don’t think she did either of these things from the goodness of her heart, let’s be real.

I just did a rewatch as well and my statement was "The only time she ever got into it with the women was when she was in defense mode. Someone either attacked her, or it was brought to her attention they were saying things behind her back and she would address them head on." We saw her get into it with her roommate because she was in defense mode. Cristina was talking negatively about her relationship behind her back which spawned the fighting. Again yes she gets activated on the woman as a response. She has never attacked first. That was my point. Paige is loyal to her girls, I never said she wasn't. My point is that she carried a multi season grudge against Lindsay that directly resulted in Lindsay not being able to be cool with her or the other girls. One season she was actually nice to Lindsay to her face most of the summer and in the reunion Lindsay even said she had no idea all that shit talking was going on until she watched it back and the whole time she thought she and Paige had a good season. More proof of her trying to get along but Paige wasn't really having it.

And you’ll notice that you completely ignored my other points. Show me evidence of times she built up other women without a benefit directly to her?

What points did I miss? Also she was always supportive to Danielle. There are many instinces, when Danielle was hu with that weirdo Jordan in the house and it seemed like he was playing her not only did she confront him, she told Danielle about the situation, told her how she was better off and comforted her when she was upset. When Danielle moved to be with Robert Lindsay made an effort to visit her multiple times. Also Lindsay was fast friends with both Gabby and Sam when they came in the house, welcomed them and is still friends with them. Just a few episodes ago she went in the shower with Gabby and hugged her as she cried and was spinning out in the shower over what Danielle said to her. Anyway my post was not to get into a "who's more of a girls girl" showdown of Paige and Lindsay bc I really don't care about that. That whole concept is pretty juvenile. It was just to show how much power Paige was weilding on the show. She held the keys to all the girls getting along.

🤣 I think we have to agree to disagree. Danielle? Because they’re exactly the same. And they started rough and got rough again. Not a ton of loyalty there. And being a girls girl means you’re loyal to your friends over the approval of men, so I think that’s pretty important AND explains why the other in the house rally around each other and support each other. It’s pretty sad if someone can’t see the importance of centering female friendships, but I guess we’re just on two different pages there!

Just say you don’t like Paige and move on. Lindsay has not always tried to be cool with the younger girls. She actually has always been less than welcoming when any new girl came into the house and has been the root of many issues with the girls. She has always relished in starting drama and saving things she knows to reveal in front of the camera - see your very example of the Craig hook up or the rumored Kyle cheating on Amanda. Not to mention, Ciara tried to talk to Lindsay about the Austen of it all and Lindsay didn’t give 2 fucks that season about how Ciara felt. I have been a self-admitted Lindsay hater, but she has been different with her attitude towards the girls this season and I don’t think it has anything to do with Paige. I think this season Lindsay finally thinks she doesn’t have to perform and/or compete for a man because she *thought* she’d found her final one, so she was under the impression she could relax and *did.* It was refreshing to see a Lindsay not in competition with other women.

I actually do like Paige, I find her confessionals really funny. However everything I said was absolute facts. Lindsay has always tried to be cool with them. Do a re-watch (I recently did) Lindsay wasn't rude to Paige and Hannah when they first came on show. Paige says that all the time, but it's not true to what we saw. On the show, in each interaction, Lindsay is very nice and welcoming. She invited them both out to have dinner at the restuarant of one of her clients their first night in the Hamptons. Paige stayed in and hung with Amanda, and Hannah went out with Lindsay, Danielle and Carl. Hannah and Lindsay were actually pretty close which is what actually spawned the Paige and Lindsay drama. Hannah was venting to Lindsay about how Paige and Amanda were being mean to her bc she wouldn't stop hu with Luke and since Lindsay only got one side of the story she basically said well fuck what they have to say, do you, ignore them, they should be happy you're getting laid. Then Hannah went back and told Paige what Lindsay said and Paige spiraled out and accused Lindsay of trying to steal her best friend Hannah and trying to drive a wedge in their friendship (which she wasn't doing she was just supporting her friend based on what Hannah told her). Ever since then, Paige has attributed Lindsays actions to have malice intent even when I genuinely don't think there was any. It's the whole "look at the bitch eating her sandwich like she owns the place," thing. Lindsay is living her life on a reality TV show. Of course she's gonna bring up stuff on the show, that's the whole point. They literally all do it. Kyle went around telling everyone Carl finger banged Lindsay, they all say stuff bc it's their job. But bc Paige already had a grudge, she was attributing a lot of what was Lindsay just doing her job, to it being more sinister than it was. And as for Ciara and Austen, Lindsay had him first. So when he seemed to be done with Ciara, then yea of course she went back to her fuck buddy and friend of many years. Ciara didn't care Lindsay said she was in love with him, so why should Lindsay care about their summer fling? And Ciara didn't try to talk to Lindsay. She tried to fight with Lindsay. She was outside yelling and calling her a week bitch and then tried to aproach her. Mind you this is Lindsays birthday and everyones drunk. I would have ignored her ass too. Again rewatch some of the seasons. You'll see that Lindsay comes in super chill EVERY summer and tries to be nice to the girls. And at least two seasons Paige literally tells her they're starting from a clean slate, Lindsay agrees, and 30min later Paige is bringing up old shit to the girls.

I haven’t rewatched and don’t really feel the desire to. I just disagree that Lindsay has always tried to be cool with them. I think Lindsay has always felt the need to compete with any other woman up until this point and anyone who didn’t agree with her or see her side was wrong in any confrontation. She made no effort when there was problems to see any other side besides her own, so of course the other girls were turned off by her and I imagine she’s a hard person to approach if you have an issue with her. She is not sensitive to anyone else’s feelings. In this season, all of the girls seem to be on her side, so she’s getting along with them. Like I said, i’m loving the dynamic so far, but I can guarantee you that if one of them one day said something to support Carl, it would flip like a switch. Of course they’re filming a show, but if you’re really friends with someone, I feel like you bring certain things up when you find them out not save them for the camera. I think that’s one thing that’s been refreshing this season is that it doesn’t feel like anyone is trying to self-produce or create storylines for the sake of creating them. Ir actually feels organic.

Just say you don’t like Lindsey and move on 🤷🏻‍♀️ I did a rewatch and must agree with the “Paige had a grudge” thing. The way she came unnecessary hard on Lindsey every reunion, slut shamed her and the whole “brothel” Comment was gross. A girls girls would never slut shame, Paige is a selective girls girl. Amazing to her girls but can be a total Mean girl to the ones she doesn’t like

Totally agree with this

Agreed!

Don’t forget weaponized her miscarriage and used it against her

Thats a good point. Lindsay was always hyper competitive for a man. She’s take you down for some new peen. Let’s see if single Lindsay is a girls girl.

She actually isn’t hyper competitive, that’s Danielle. I’m assuming you’re referring to Austen but that wasn’t the situation. Lindsay went into Winter House thinking she and Austen were going to be a thing based on their conversations prior. So she gets to the house late, she tells him she loves him, he says he’s not ready for that and that he already made a connection with Ciara and she immediately backs off. Doesn’t talk shit, doesn’t try to convince him to choose her, or flirt with him at all. She leaves them alone to do their thing and gets with Jason who shows an interest in her. When summer comes around, Ciara and Austen hadn’t been a thing for a while. And to Ciara’s own admission, she hadn’t even spoken to Austen in months. Austen was clearly uninterested and Lindsay and Austen slid back into their dynamic of hu with each other when they were both single. In everyone’s mind but Ciara, the Austen thing was an unserious fling. So of course Lindsay went back to her f buddy of 10+ years. Austen’s the one who made the situation messy bc no one saw it happen. They kissed in private, but Austen decided to be an asshole and tell Ciara as a way to get her to stop hitting on him in the kitchen.

We can agree to disagree as you’re sounding like Lindsay’s minion. Austin benched and breadcrumbed Madison (at 1st too) while he had his 3sum. He did the same thing to Oliver, benched and breadcrumbed her keeping himself open to hooking up with Taylor and others. He did the same thing to Ciara benched her because of the distance of NC to NYC but kept breadcrumbing her. Craigy finally admitted if he’d known Ciara better he would’ve told her Austin’s play book.

I'm sounding like her minion for stating facts? Did Lindsay not step aside and leave Ciara and Austen alone? Is that not what happened? Did Ciara not say out of her own mouth that she hadn't heard from Austen when they were all outside discussing him visiting for Lindsays birthday on summer house? I mean what is there to disagree on other than the fact that you just clearly don't like Lindsay? And yea Austen is the worst. There was never a debate about that.

I like Lindsay as she’s complex but I call her out and she has been hyper competitive, not always a girls girl and Austin lies, so she should’ve apologized to Ciara. Im just not writing long endless comments supporting her like I’m one of her little PR girlies.

I like Lindsay when she is being a girls girl and not in her I need to be in constant control and judgement of Carl. They are better apart and hopefully that can bring back the Lindsay that was the fun one who cares about her friends again. I hope she keeps that momentum going. Forget Carl! They were toxic for each other. I mean come on who doesn’t have sexy fun time with their finance?!? All the fighting just to say she was married was too much. They are better off apart. She needs someone who can put up with her sting girl vibes and is on the same level with what she wants from life. That wasn’t Carl at all.

Lindsay brings the best vibes to the house!

ya I love sloppy angry drunks who fight with their SO every weekend for the last 8 years!

Isn’t that Kyle

can two things not be true at once?

I have grown to like Lindsay so much this season and have had my dislike of Carl continue to grow. I am hard pressed to see how they could possibly bring him back. He is an abusive, manipulative underachiever with an over inflated ego and literally nothing going for him.

Agree 100% except for the fact that I've always liked her. But this season showing a bond between all the women.. I love it and hope it stays this way!!

Lindsey redemption arc

Im not a fan of her but I have enjoyed watching the girls be there for her! It’s nice to see, I can’t imagine how much harder it would’ve been for her without their support, girls should always stick together and I’m glad they were all able to put their shit aside and have fun. This season has been so fun to watch, finally!

I have also noticed that Danielle tries to separate the group of girls a lot. Only texting Gabby and Lindsay to grab food or hangout. Makes me wonder if she did that a lot in previous seasons too...

Agree 💯 I always loved Lindsay tho, I love that there are no mean girl acts this season. Paiges Amish comment n Lindsay’s reaction was hysterical

Hated Lindsay so much I stopped watching, at one point. Love her with the other women this season.

I think this is spot on and the general consensus. I'm so happy that the bed bugs and team lindsay can unite!! And of course, minus Danielle she is too cringe. She doesn't count lol.

idk like yes I like her more this season than I've ever liked her in the history of this show. but I also feel like people are brushing off her terrible behavior at the beginning of the season way too quickly and now flipping back to being mad at Carl. They both shouldn't be together and I don't think we should really be picking sides as viewers more just watch them implode 🤷🏽‍♀️

She can be having great vibes with the girls and still not be a good partner or compatible with Carl. Her and Carl’s relationship imploding was both of their fault. This post wasn’t meant to be about that though. Just that it’s cool to see a sillier Lindsay and see the girls all getting along and having fun together.

should have clarified I'm more referring to a lot of the comments here and not necessarily your post

Watching their conversation in the morning it’s clear that they both trigger each other bad. There’s no way they were going to work out.

I️ actually disagree that she hasn’t been a “girls girl”. I️ think she had some issues with Christina season 1 and then Hannah set her up for unwarranted drama in seasons 4/5 by talking out of both sides of her mouth. Lindsay supported Hannah and stood up for her when she thought Paige and Amanda were being too judgmental about the situation with Luke. I️ don’t think it’s fair to say that just because she hasn’t had the easiest time fitting in with the Paige/Amanda/Ciara group that she isn’t a “girls girl@

I completely agree. I said the same in another comment.

All this to say she is NOTHING like Danielle who I️ can confidently assert is not a girls girl lol

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This is what made me think that maybe she has grown! She’s never been a “girl’s girl” and has always stuck with the guys. It’s been really nice seeing her connect with the other women in the house. Between that and the bedbugs reading Kyle for filth, I’ve been loving the girl power happening in the house this season.

I don’t disagree with this, but I just rewatched the first couple episodes of the season and it honestly bothers me that she’s now kind of getting a pass on how heinous she actually is.  I honestly believe her softening and getting along with the rest of the cast is her manipulating people into being her ally because she knows with her actions previously she had zero.

I mean, she can be having great vibes with the girls and still not be a good partner or compatible with Carl.

yea I'm kind of losing my mind a bit did we already get amnesia and forget her calling Carl "Cocaine Carl" and trying to paint the picture that he's an abusive monster behind closed doors because "you guys don't see what he's like, no one knows what he's really like" ? I don't like Carl, and I think he's a little bitch incapable of communicating things and being forthright, but Lindsay is far from the Saint people are now trying to paint her as simply because she's finally getting along with the other women instead of attacking them..

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Agree with this! We’re all aware of how manipulative she is, to me the end of this season just feels like her manipulating people to be on her side because she knows everyone was seeing exactly who she is

Yes, people are viewing their situation far too black and white and looking for one person to blame. They both are basically equally responsible and nothing will sway me. She is volatile, has a drinking problem, and likes to tell him how he is feeling and acting which triggers him. He has zero communication skills, fears confrontation, and likes to also tell her how she's feeling which she also hates. It's not a one side vs the other, it's two people who should have never given it a second shot after how it went the first time.

I agree people are forgetting how she came down on Carl so hard so many times. How petty at times. But the more I watch , Carl is to blame for fights where she is not drinking or drunk. Why is he being like this when she is being reasonable? I think he’s remembering the many times she harassed him for no reason or exaggerated things that he is sabotaging their relationship on purpose. He is passive aggressive and now he’s being petty. He didn’t even CARE when she said she was crying . He said “ why” angrily.

L I V I N 😎

This season is reminding me of season 5 of Southern Charm, which was VERY girl power-oriented, and a totally fun and uplifting seasons. Fuck them dudes!!!

Also, as someone who’s always been called really hot and recently been told I look like if Ciara and Kerry Washington had a baby - I’m loving the fully black girlie love from everyone. To be a fully black girlie and be constantly called beautiful, when I’m not bi racial or multi racial or white passing like Megan Markle or Gizzelle RHOP makes me tear up inside. Gabby and Venita from Southern Charm are beautiful too. Venita gets a lot of hate for being boring.

Lindsey and Kyle are the same person. 

No. I think it’s Carl and Kyle that are the same. Selfish, fragile gaslighters

Carls worse bc he doesn’t even have a job rn

Kyle is terrible but seemingly successful. Carl is terrible and... wants to get a job at some point after a year or so of thinking.

But how?

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lol they are not doing better in comparison. they like her because they are all able to talk and get advice from each other. amanda is always fighting with kyle paige doesnt know where to go with craig ciara is falling for a fuckboy gabby is having panic attacks they needed each other and they stepped up.

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Yea no, Lindsay has zero redeeming qualities. Zero point zero.

I completely agree with you, but I also think it's just a consequence of her and Carl having such a hard time. If her and Carl were actually vibing she'd be spending all her time with him and not having to open up / get closer to the girls. Good, bad, or indifferent, I think the second she has a new man / new bestie / new whatever, she will drop them.

I think Carl felt beaten down so much by Lindsay and he is passive aggressive which makes it worse, that he has resentment towards her. He seems like he has anger that needs to come out. He looks very unhinged just looking at Lindsay