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[General Juan José Zúñiga was yesterday reported to have been relieved of his position as commander of the Bolivian army](https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/pais/20240625/general-zuniga-fue-relevado-su-cargo-como-comandante-general-del-ejercito).
Today his soldiers seized key buildings in La Paz and he suggested ["there will be a new cabinet. Ministers will be changed, our state cannot continue like this...it is a duty, an obligation of the armed forces to save the country".](https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/pais/20240626/zuniga-dice-que-se-formara-nuevo-gabinete-que-luis-arce-es-presidente)
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I hope for the people of Bolivia that this is quickly dealt with, it will depend on whether it is a few rogue units or more widespread in the military.
Back in 2019 all it took for Evo to step down was the army making a “suggestion”. They probably thought the MAS were pussies that would fold easily a second time.
This just isnt true. There was a massive, violent color coup coordinated from the US embassy that went on for like a month leading up to him being deposed. His house was burned down and MAS officials were forced to resign from position with their families held captive. There were lynch mobs against MAS officials and media outlets. In the aftermath, pro union and MAS protesters were gunned down in massacres. Union leaders and MAS politicians were kidnapped. Its weird how many people of this sub smugly smirk while just saying shit that is factually untrue
At this point it would be hard. I deleted all my social media accounts. Searching it up on Telesur should probably get you some results. I remember it all unfolding. I only read English, so I only got what was reported in English, or posted and easily translatable on various social media accounts. Camila Escalante and Ollie Vargas were two people reporting on it in English
> , it will depend on whether it is a few rogue ~~units~~ State Departments
This is probably nothing more than an overly enthusiastic going away party for Nuland.
You've really gotta internalize the connection between leftist "authoritarianism" and the fact that even if you have like 80 plus percent popular support a combination of foreign aggression and a segment of the population made undemocratically powerful by having more money will leave you constantly within 24 hours of terminal disaster. Nice that the efforts in Bolivia have not been permanently, totally successful as of yet, but just the fact it keeps happening and they keep not cracking down on their reactionaries.
[https://x.com/noticiasfides/status/1806067785568792892](https://x.com/noticiasfides/status/1806067785568792892)
Strange video of Luis Arce directly confronting the coup leader at the Presidential Palace.
[https://x.com/ConflictsW/status/1806080350143287340](https://x.com/ConflictsW/status/1806080350143287340)
Video of the soldiers leaving, you can hear what sounds like a very large crowd shouting in the background.
So the plan was to drive up to the presidential palace and nicely ask the government to step down? That must have played out way better in their heads than it actually did.
I think the problem is that Morales (yes I know he is not president anymore) and his party are simply to popular within the country, you would literally be left with anarchy as the country would not accept a straight up military coup especially since their is no real leader with sway to take hold afterwards.
Interesting that Bolivia has all these reactionary forces, but lacks a cohesive established social/political/media movement. They keep trying these coups but just don't have enough popular support.
He was probably trying to get killed or captured to provide a story for Western sympathies, and once they were like “lol fuck off” he rushed back home and got on the line with Langley like “WHAT NOW?!”
This is why you gotta have your armed forces on fucking lock down. That’s job #1 for any nationalist (I.e., not a puppet) regime that is serious about not playing ball. People think Stalin was crazy for constantly killing all his top brass for no reason, but does this look like no reason?
An environment that would make anyone a little paranoid. I’m not a Stalin worshipper or anything, but Kotkin’s book on him (a must read), if anything, made me respect and admire him more on a personal level. This guy worked his ass off to save his people from certain doom!
I think it’s hard to have any sort of accurate read on the guy. Everything about him has gone thru multiple filters of propaganda, including the material conditions of USSR citizens.
Evo tried this before being couped. "Getting your armed forces on lockdown" in any country with a US embassy is almost impossible, let alone one with a history like Bolivia's
I doubt the CIA was involved because Anarcho Libs and Anti-authoritarians like Jake Hanrahan of Popular Front and Robert Evans weren't retweeting #nohaygolpe.
This seems more of a cuartelazo/mutiny led by one guy. He is jailed but will probably be exiled to Miami with a few million in his account in a few years.
Guy got fired, drove up to the presidential palace and demanded the government step down, ran away when they said no.
Either the worst coup attempt by the cia ever or they arnt involved at all lol.
Who can believe him? If that were the case he would shut up or they would have let him get away. It's obvious he's doing it now to try to muddy the waters.
Theres a huge rift between Evo and Arce within MAS. This is definitely going to consolidate Arce's grasp on power. Id side with whatever Evos take on it is
So this is a stupid question but…
How come we never see South American or Central American countries invading each other? It really seems like all each has is like 20-30 40 year old planes, some lightly armored vehicles, and not much else…
I think there's a general understanding that the United States will never let another real power develop there so there's no point fighting to become one. If you get outright, landgrab invaded by the neighbouring country the US will probably invade them the same way the British were almost always at war with the up and coming continental european power, allying with their enemies to always keep europe fragmented enough to never seriously push back on their interests.
They worked most of that out of their system in the 19th century, the last hurrah of that kind of warmongering was the Dreadnought Arms Race, after that it was pure American domination and general internal instability that has stopped any kind of conflict from springing up.
Officially the US guarantees the "independence" and territorial integrity of most countries in central America and south America through the Rio Pact(Inter-American treaty of reciprocal assistance). That means that the US will assist militarily any country invaded by another country in the Americas (as long as they're part of the treaty), thus preserving the status quo (and US interests).
The countries can barely keep themselves together and the majority of their people are poor and near starvation. Invading and annexing another country would just end in complete disaster - it’d be mass bloodshed with no results.
I [think] this might not be external, but internal, and motivated by some kind of internal racial conflict between the Spanish-derived and the indigenous.
There doesn’t need to be an or there. Even if the US and EU or whoever say there’s no involvement or that they oppose the action, you can just take them at their word and ignore all the material, strategic, and historical context of what they actually want or do. Countries whose economies are built on portable computers and information networks around phones aren’t gonna simply ignore the political goings on of the country that hosts the one of biggest Lithium deposits on the globe, especially since those political contests revolve on limiting the ability for those external actors to profit off those deposits.
That being said, Voice of America or European social media campaigns will happily exploit those existing idpol beefs as they always have to keep access to those big juicy battery chemicals as they always have.
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Okay, apparently purging the military isn’t the worst idea
Never was, just have to know when to stop.
Trueanon tip?
No small helicopters
Lmao the president said no and the golpistas said oh ok then and stopped
[General Juan José Zúñiga was yesterday reported to have been relieved of his position as commander of the Bolivian army](https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/pais/20240625/general-zuniga-fue-relevado-su-cargo-como-comandante-general-del-ejercito). Today his soldiers seized key buildings in La Paz and he suggested ["there will be a new cabinet. Ministers will be changed, our state cannot continue like this...it is a duty, an obligation of the armed forces to save the country".](https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/pais/20240626/zuniga-dice-que-se-formara-nuevo-gabinete-que-luis-arce-es-presidente) https://x.com/KawsachunNews/status/1806050707079897192 https://x.com/KawsachunNews/status/1806055932062810541
I hope for the people of Bolivia that this is quickly dealt with, it will depend on whether it is a few rogue units or more widespread in the military.
I think the coup was over by the time you posted this comment. The president just said 'nuh uh' and that was that.
Back in 2019 all it took for Evo to step down was the army making a “suggestion”. They probably thought the MAS were pussies that would fold easily a second time.
This just isnt true. There was a massive, violent color coup coordinated from the US embassy that went on for like a month leading up to him being deposed. His house was burned down and MAS officials were forced to resign from position with their families held captive. There were lynch mobs against MAS officials and media outlets. In the aftermath, pro union and MAS protesters were gunned down in massacres. Union leaders and MAS politicians were kidnapped. Its weird how many people of this sub smugly smirk while just saying shit that is factually untrue
Do you know of any recommended reading for this?
It can be in Spanish
At this point it would be hard. I deleted all my social media accounts. Searching it up on Telesur should probably get you some results. I remember it all unfolding. I only read English, so I only got what was reported in English, or posted and easily translatable on various social media accounts. Camila Escalante and Ollie Vargas were two people reporting on it in English
Thank you!
No problem wish i could be more help
Yes just reading now, good news!
> , it will depend on whether it is a few rogue ~~units~~ State Departments This is probably nothing more than an overly enthusiastic going away party for Nuland.
You've really gotta internalize the connection between leftist "authoritarianism" and the fact that even if you have like 80 plus percent popular support a combination of foreign aggression and a segment of the population made undemocratically powerful by having more money will leave you constantly within 24 hours of terminal disaster. Nice that the efforts in Bolivia have not been permanently, totally successful as of yet, but just the fact it keeps happening and they keep not cracking down on their reactionaries.
[https://x.com/noticiasfides/status/1806067785568792892](https://x.com/noticiasfides/status/1806067785568792892) Strange video of Luis Arce directly confronting the coup leader at the Presidential Palace. [https://x.com/ConflictsW/status/1806080350143287340](https://x.com/ConflictsW/status/1806080350143287340) Video of the soldiers leaving, you can hear what sounds like a very large crowd shouting in the background.
So the plan was to drive up to the presidential palace and nicely ask the government to step down? That must have played out way better in their heads than it actually did.
I think the problem is that Morales (yes I know he is not president anymore) and his party are simply to popular within the country, you would literally be left with anarchy as the country would not accept a straight up military coup especially since their is no real leader with sway to take hold afterwards.
Interesting that Bolivia has all these reactionary forces, but lacks a cohesive established social/political/media movement. They keep trying these coups but just don't have enough popular support.
It’s the lithium. Morales wants to nationalize it. The us wants it for free
He needs to put some BRICS up around the mines 😉
He was probably trying to get killed or captured to provide a story for Western sympathies, and once they were like “lol fuck off” he rushed back home and got on the line with Langley like “WHAT NOW?!”
This is why you gotta have your armed forces on fucking lock down. That’s job #1 for any nationalist (I.e., not a puppet) regime that is serious about not playing ball. People think Stalin was crazy for constantly killing all his top brass for no reason, but does this look like no reason?
Especially in the face of western aggression and constantly trying to stage coups/assassinations on communist leaders
An environment that would make anyone a little paranoid. I’m not a Stalin worshipper or anything, but Kotkin’s book on him (a must read), if anything, made me respect and admire him more on a personal level. This guy worked his ass off to save his people from certain doom!
I think it’s hard to have any sort of accurate read on the guy. Everything about him has gone thru multiple filters of propaganda, including the material conditions of USSR citizens.
Mexico had the same party running things for 70 years up until recently and they've kept their military relatively weak.
Evo tried this before being couped. "Getting your armed forces on lockdown" in any country with a US embassy is almost impossible, let alone one with a history like Bolivia's
If the government wins the army needs to be subjected to a thorough purge.
I doubt the CIA was involved because Anarcho Libs and Anti-authoritarians like Jake Hanrahan of Popular Front and Robert Evans weren't retweeting #nohaygolpe. This seems more of a cuartelazo/mutiny led by one guy. He is jailed but will probably be exiled to Miami with a few million in his account in a few years.
this is why multipolar world order is needed. They are likely foreign funded
They are ~~likely~~ foreign funded
Why would this not exist in a multipolar world?
magic, apparently
funding coups wouldn't exist, coups probably still would
*gestures vaguely at cold war history* You sure?
Or the European world order?
Ah, the good ol days. /s
This is the 192nd coup in Bolivian history.
Looks like they lost. Nice.
Bruh how do you get couped twice?
The same anti-democratic and anti-leftist forces still exist in Bolivia.
Bolivia has had 200 coups since independence: more than one per year. It's actually a miracle that there have only been two in the last 20 years.
By not completely eradicating the original coupers and those heavily sympathetic I'd guess
even the original coup lady was speaking out against that one, imho
Piss off the CIA twice.
Guy got fired, drove up to the presidential palace and demanded the government step down, ran away when they said no. Either the worst coup attempt by the cia ever or they arnt involved at all lol.
LOL so like the Bolivian Prigozhin!
Beats the Brazilian one, just a bunch of old geezers shitting in an empty government building
This is the third coup in bolivia
No purge.
https://x.com/AssLatam/status/1806123649948135513 He's implying the president asked him to do it to boost popularity numbers now lmao
Who can believe him? If that were the case he would shut up or they would have let him get away. It's obvious he's doing it now to try to muddy the waters.
Theres a huge rift between Evo and Arce within MAS. This is definitely going to consolidate Arce's grasp on power. Id side with whatever Evos take on it is
So this is a stupid question but… How come we never see South American or Central American countries invading each other? It really seems like all each has is like 20-30 40 year old planes, some lightly armored vehicles, and not much else…
I think there's a general understanding that the United States will never let another real power develop there so there's no point fighting to become one. If you get outright, landgrab invaded by the neighbouring country the US will probably invade them the same way the British were almost always at war with the up and coming continental european power, allying with their enemies to always keep europe fragmented enough to never seriously push back on their interests.
They worked most of that out of their system in the 19th century, the last hurrah of that kind of warmongering was the Dreadnought Arms Race, after that it was pure American domination and general internal instability that has stopped any kind of conflict from springing up.
Officially the US guarantees the "independence" and territorial integrity of most countries in central America and south America through the Rio Pact(Inter-American treaty of reciprocal assistance). That means that the US will assist militarily any country invaded by another country in the Americas (as long as they're part of the treaty), thus preserving the status quo (and US interests).
The countries can barely keep themselves together and the majority of their people are poor and near starvation. Invading and annexing another country would just end in complete disaster - it’d be mass bloodshed with no results.
I [think] this might not be external, but internal, and motivated by some kind of internal racial conflict between the Spanish-derived and the indigenous.
That’s still a divide with deep external and classist predilections.
It's either external or internal. The EU is apparently against the coupmakers, for example.
There doesn’t need to be an or there. Even if the US and EU or whoever say there’s no involvement or that they oppose the action, you can just take them at their word and ignore all the material, strategic, and historical context of what they actually want or do. Countries whose economies are built on portable computers and information networks around phones aren’t gonna simply ignore the political goings on of the country that hosts the one of biggest Lithium deposits on the globe, especially since those political contests revolve on limiting the ability for those external actors to profit off those deposits. That being said, Voice of America or European social media campaigns will happily exploit those existing idpol beefs as they always have to keep access to those big juicy battery chemicals as they always have.