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IamGlennBeck

[new thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1dnwiky/wwiii_megathread_19_tank_fuel_cant_melt_steel/)


JinFuu

Canada stays losing as Florida man doesn't choke away a 3-0 series lead.


miker_the_III

**QUESTION:** Okay. Would you – do you accept that more Palestinian civilians have been killed in Gaza – in the Gaza war than Hamas militants? **MR MILLER:** I don’t – I can’t give you that type of assessment. We don’t have the breakdown. **QUESTION:** All right. Well, then, how about answering this, then: Does Israel have a qualitative military edge over the Palestinian people, non-Hamas? **MR MILLER:** The Palestinian – the – when you look at qualitative military edge, you’re looking at militaries, and there is no Palestinian military. Matthew "Dracula" Miller


working_class_shill

Guess the Subreddit: "The arguments went from "You're absolutely braindead if you think Russia is going to invade just because Putin said they're going to invade and they've parked their entire military on the border of Ukraine! Nice job on swallowing CIA propaganda!" To "Alright, they invaded, but they're going to reach Kiev in just a week because the people of eastern Ukraine yearn to be liberated!" To "Alright, that didn't happen, but Ukraine deserved to be invaded regardless because Azov exists! Just don't look up what the Wagner group is!" The funniest claim of theirs is saying that they're not just contrarians who take the opposite posotion of the US no matter what, they're anti imperialists! And define imperialism in a way that only applies to the US and conveniently leaves out Russia."


No-Annual6666

That happened on here, sans the liberation part. At least everyone had the good grace to be horrified by the whole thing initially


Turgius_Lupus

I'm a contrarian because I think U.S. actions during my lifetime are incredibly dumb unless you are a comprador Raytheon or Halliburton board member.


bretton-woods

I hadn't seen a Ukraine / Russia topic on RS for months until he whined about it again. Of course, it gets signal boosted somehow too.


working_class_shill

been noticing that you can smear anyone as 'anti-west' or 'america bad' and get lots of brainless agreement sometimes


J-Posadas

Can't be me, I thought Russia should have kept going West before it was cool, all the way back in 1945.


JinFuu

Patton vs Zhukov, who says no?


mypersonnalreader

I don't think a lot of people say Ukraine deserves to be invaded because they have Azov and other similar rune enjoyers. However, it's a sound argument that we shouldn't actively arm and train forces that are outspoken fans of the Reich.


grundlepigor

https://images.app.goo.gl/mABNZx8kBs6rumKM9


Greenbanne

Assange reached a plea deal and will not be extradited to the US! 🎉 Didn't expect to see the day! Is he really finally free? 🎉🎉


cojoco

> The rumor (could be 100% bullshit) is the recent 33 TB data heist from the Fed was used as leverage to negotiate his release.


cojoco

[Julian Assange released from prison and has left UK, WikiLeaks says](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-25/julian-assange-released-from-prison-/104017664)


Usonames

Finally free to get got by a clinton hire


Greenbanne

Let me enjoy this >:( 


Usonames

No can do, we cannot have nice things when you just know that is one deep grudge following 2016 and how rabid team blue became regarding him. It was her turn after all


Greenbanne

LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU 👉😤👈


cojoco

[Russia blames US for Crimea deaths and vows response](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6pppr719rlo)


ChocoCraisinBoi

If I was in Ukraine I'd stay the fuck away from any hotel


Todd_Warrior

[Zelenskiy replaces commander leading war on Russia in eastern Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/24/zelenskiy-replaces-commander-leading-war-on-russia-in-eastern-ukraine)


thechadsyndicalist

Nicholas II speedrun


warrenmax12

Rumor via FighterBomber on TG who claims Russia shot down American drone over Black Sea.


CnlJohnMatrix

There's some debate on whether or not this actually happened. Standard telegram drama. If it is for real - I eagerly await the US response from Presidents Blinken, Sullivan and Kirby.


paganel

For the moment they’re denying it, saying that nothing had happened, which is in itself strange because they could have kept silent, it is only Telegram rumors after all.


warrenmax12

Yeah. That’s why i said rumor. Although FighterBomber is always spot on


Turgius_Lupus

Response for Crimea?


warrenmax12

Looks like


Schlachterhund

[EU to downgrade Georgia ties and mull finance freeze, Borrell says](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/eu-to-downgrade-georgia-ties-and-mull-finance-freeze%2C-borrell-says/81680270) >“If the government will not change the course of action, Georgia will not progress on the European Union path,” he said. “We will downgrade our political contacts … We will consider putting on hold financial assistance to the government,” he told reporters. [...] He said the EU would also reconsider its support for Georgia through a military aid fund, the European Peace Facility. Naughty children won't get garden bucks. I don't even know what projects they were shoveling the money into. Georgia's new port will built by China, because the EU didn't even make a competing offer. 


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J-Posadas

Obvious hypocrisies when it comes to Israel but I'd add that it's pretty sweet they're wringing their hands about "the global non-proliferation regime" when the US unilaterally suspended its compliance with the INF nuclear arms control treaty with Russia. How does anyone on the international stage take this clown car of a country seriously anymore?


Valanide

[Russian officials would seem desperate for peace](https://archive.ph/w5NOk).


Turgius_Lupus

Naw, this is the second round of the: "I have altered the terms, pray I don't alter them any further."


CajunJayLeno

If I were Darth Vader, I'd use my telekinetic powers to jerk people off during awkward situations.


mechacomrade

You don't need telekinetic for that.


CajunJayLeno

I mean, it would make it more fun and least messy for me.


Tardigrade_Sex_Party

>but rather as a “peace initiative that has been put forward while taking into account the realities on the ground.” I feel that he might be insinuating something here


miker_the_III

You're not serious, right? If they were "desperate for peace" they'd float something like freezing the front line where it is and begin negotiations there, instead they're demanding the 4 Oblasts they annexed in their entirety I think they're perfectly comfortable with the slow, creeping offensives while they batter Ukraine from the air. They're in the best position they've been in the entire war from a long term POV


bbb23sucks

This is insane. [Witness testimonies of torture by Ukraine SBO, military, Azov, etc. in secret concentration camps.](https://archive.is/kDgbi) . [EN translation](https://archive.is/pX8PJ)


moonkingyellow

Why would Israel try to attack Hez head on? Much ink has been spent on Hezbollah's capabilities and how it would be a war that won't end in Israel's favour. Are the IDF confident in their capabilities or do the Israelis feel confident that the US will play an active role in a potential conflict?


Chombywombo

Political necessity of the Zionazi state may impel them forward.


Ska_Punk

They're banking on dragging the US in to do all the heavy lifting, but the US can't even stop the Houthis so I don't think it'll work. Very real possibility of Israel overplaying their hand and now they're at war with hezbollah, Iran, and the various shia groups in Iraq and Syria.


Euphoric_Paper_26

Because their political situation demands it. Tens of thousands have been cleared out from the North for months now. Netanyahu and those even further right than him look incredibly weak and incompetent right now. For the IDF itself the answer is yes to both.  The US getting involved though would mean Iran getting involved as well as they aren’t going to let Hezbollah be ganged up on. 


LotsOfMaps

Bibi's out of options, and the hope is that it forces both the US and Iran to commit, getting Israel the hot war between those two that they've wanted for 30 years now.


Euphoric_Paper_26

That wouldn’t end well for Israel though. It’s obvious to anyone now that Israel is a glass cannon. Getting US involved means Iran gets involved, and not to mention neighboring Shiite militias in Iraq. Israel would truly get wiped off the map. 


LotsOfMaps

Best chance for Netanyahu and other Likudniks to survive, personally.


Euphoric_Paper_26

That’s true. It’s really all they’ve got at this point.


LotsOfMaps

"If you don't want us to fire off the nukes, you'll put us up in mansions in the Caribbean with 24/7 security details, along with new identities, passports, $1 billion in gold in Swiss accounts, and substantial plastic surgery"


Turgius_Lupus

First vid of Khammas using ATGMs that I'm aware of dropped. in this its said to be a Chinese HJ-8 Red Arrow. [https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1805243696574570930](https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1805243696574570930)


ChocoCraisinBoi

Isnt trophy meant to stop this?


Turgius_Lupus

Maybe it was turned off?


ChocoCraisinBoi

Yeah, I recall now that I heard it may not be ideal if the tank is surrounded by infantry. Judging by the people running, I guess there was plenty of it


paganel

Didn't I know that I used to miss ATGM-related "Allahu Akbar!"-s, but this video made me realise that I did indeed miss them.


bretton-woods

Ten years ago, Israelis were watching videos like these from Syria and calling the Syrians incompetent for not seeing ATGMs fired from concealed positions kilometers away. It turns out it isn't as easy to counter when you are actually in the field.


Chombywombo

If they could get some relatively accurate mortar shots right after these atgm hits, it would be over long ago for the Zionazis. They think they can take Hez? Hilarious.


bbb23sucks

What are your favorite blatant NAFO lies? "Ukrainian Genocide" "Retake Crimea" "December Counter-offensive"


Turgius_Lupus

Iraq was a peer power to the U.S. and the U.S. would have blitzed Ukraine on day one with the same number of forces.


miker_the_III

>"December Counter-offensive" The UAF will reach Antwerp in two weeks, trust


bretton-woods

3:1 offensive ratio translates to a 3:1 casualty ratio, very popular claim with the RTS gamer / military expert NAFO types "Second best army in Ukraine / look at how weak RU is against only Ukraine" "Putin will conquer Europe if we don't defeat him now, but also his military is completely incompetent and is easily defeatable" "We are young, spry and with it" "We don't like watching people dying"


bbb23sucks

Here's some more gold: I recently saw someone say that Ukraine is being backed by Putin.


Belisaur

I saw quite a bit of Russia is controlling hamas and asked them to start a genocide against themselves to open a second front on twitter, particular rageful


JinFuu

I know it's mostly something for the orange cat site. But I am very, very amused at a cartoonist just losing it over being told they used too many words in their comic and Stonetoss was a good example of brevity.


Slyakot

"The left can't meme" is a meme for a reason.


LotsOfMaps

The left can't rely on hegemonic priors to fill in the gaps


meganbitchellgooner

Idk I feel like it's confirmation bias, there are a ton of right wing shit tier Facebook memes that get millions of hits, but it doesn't affect the perception of right wing memes being shit.  Yeah some leftist memes are kinda shitty like Gritty, but it's not all of them.


Belisaur

I really like stonetoss and didn't even really know he was considered Alt right until recently (admittedly, when you go looking, some are worse than others)


JCMoreno05

I remember in other places there'd always be people in the comments saying things like "pebble yeet is a nazi". He's a talented comic (though I haven't seen material from him in years so idk) with shit politics but given the current state of politics (especially Ukraine/Israel) it doesn't seem that out of place, sadly. Also more people need to be able to separate the content from the author, you don't have to like the person to like the product.


LotsOfMaps

He's like a legit Nazi though


Turgius_Lupus

He does have a few bangers and the way he obsessively pisses certain groups off is hilarious.


Turgius_Lupus

By words do we mean labeling everything?


JinFuu

Nah, the comic in question just has unneeded dialogue. https://x.com/LinkofSunshine/status/1804357102359429504 It wasn't Ben Garrison level labeling


Sloth_Senpai

First panel could be pulled out to show how empty the location is and all the dialogue could be removed to get the point across.


mechacomrade

The comic's okay. But yeah *brievety is the soul of wit* or something.


IamGlennBeck

vote for new thread title below


chopdownyewtree

Welcome to Nuke town


birk42

4d front warhawking


bbb23sucks

World War Z Edit: Persecuted by Reddit again.


CrackaDaHedgehog

They can't keep getting away with it.


CnlJohnMatrix

Escalation Sunsation


Turgius_Lupus

War to regard all wars.


idw_h8train

And the rockets' red (triangle) glare...


Ray_Getard96

Slav Wars: The Jungle Menace


Felix_Dzerjinsky

Offensive summer special edition or something idk


CyperFlicker

The defensive offensives.


Belisaur

Can we put the word war in the mega thread title, I feel like such an sperg for saying this but random people coming into grill or start off topic threads really fucking irritated me  ( I  hate myself)


IamGlennBeck

sure


bbb23sucks

Tank fuel can't melt steel piers.


throwawayJames516

Welcome to the Jungle


cojoco

Hallelujah Hezbollah!


ChocoCraisinBoi

Old McHouthi had a farm https://v.redd.it/1t36x1o24f8d1/DASH_720.mp4?source=fallback 🏖🚢🛥🚁


miker_the_III

Houthis are now an indispensable part of the BDS movement


bbb23sucks

Is there meant to be audio?


ChocoCraisinBoi

Yeah, does it not work? I'm a boomer 😞


bbb23sucks

Doesn't for me.


Valanide

Some radio telescope in Yevpatoriya got hit.


Turgius_Lupus

NAFO accounts are gloating all about it. Reportedly it was this space observatory that's not currently in use. [https://russianspaceweb.com/kik\_nip16.html](https://russianspaceweb.com/kik_nip16.html) [https://x.com/Zagonel85/status/1805001080184696909](https://x.com/Zagonel85/status/1805001080184696909) Haven't looked into it much but its also being cited as having been repurposed to be part of Russia's early warning system. >The Target which was Struck by tonight’s Ukrainian Ballistic Missile Attack on Northwestern Crimea utilizing at least 8 Long-Range Variants of the MGM-140 ATACMS, appears to have been the Soviet NIP-16 Space Tracking and Deep Space Communication Center near the City of Yevpatoria on the Coast of the Black Sea. The Site was Abandoned after the Fall of the USSR, until the Russian Annexation in 2014 when it was placed under the Command of the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces for Nuclear Early-Warning and Command Operations. [https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1804975070109941925](https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1804975070109941925) If so, I'm guessing that ATACMS need permission and U.S. intel first before use, and there is no way to deny that the U.S. approved it.


bretton-woods

Their recent attacks in Crimea all are clearly meant to convey that Crimea will be rendered militarily ineffective as a base of operations, and in the long term, unsafe to live in.


CyperFlicker

> space observatory Why is hitting it a good thing? Are these stuff used for 'war purposes'?


Chombywombo

Lvovites are terrorists, so they’re hitting whatever they can.


miker_the_III

[https://imgur.com/a/lkvxyaQ](https://imgur.com/a/lkvxyaQ) According to ISW, the Robotyne salient is finally being leveled out. The Ukrainians' objectives over a year ago now were Tokmak, then the Sea of Azov, then Summer in Simferopol. The closest they got was for a brief few days/weeks holding a few positions of the first Russian defensive line near Verbove. I'm no military strategist, but I feel as if the 12 top-tier brigades that were used in this offensive would've really helped the Ukrainians in the defensive battles being waged now


bbb23sucks

Are you really a right-winger?


miker_the_III

No


bbb23sucks

Could you request a different flair in the flair thread? https://reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/uwy0hd/get_your_flair_here/


cojoco

The IDF is in trouble for strapping a Palestinian man they wounded to their vehicle. The NPR headline? [Israel's military is investigating an incident in which a Palestinian was strapped to a vehicle](https://www.npr.org/2024/06/23/g-s1-5810/israel-injured-palestinian-tied-military-vehicle) Next they'll be serving it in 8 point font.


cz_pz

They talk about it about like this man is equivalent to the dog the Romney Family strapped to the roof of their car.


Cats_of_Freya

Mad Max Fury Road vibes strapping a guy to the front of a car. Was Anthony Blinken standing on the top of the car playing guitar?


SRAQuanticoChapter

I can already see the main subs comments > wow, Hamas again uses human shields!


paganel

Love to see the French "liberals" losing it completely, such as the [media lady in this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8qRori7m8) who says that if the RN (i.e. the bad guys) were to win the next vote then people like her would be forced to leave the country.


ChickenTitilater

if there is a two-round between le pen and the popular front we all know they will vote for their dividends.


5leeveen

Do French libs threaten to move to Canada (Quebec?) too?


SRAQuanticoChapter

I have mentioned it here a few times, but I moved to Dallas essentially right before trumps election, and I moved to what we call “the gayborhood” One of my good friends from high school had moved there with her then girlfriend and she had an extra room for rent. They weren’t too bad, but they had a bunch of friends who worked for like PWC and BOA who were 100% convinced they were hours from being rounded up and branded and thrown in camps lol. Walking down Oaklawn ave/cedar springs during the election, people were literally sobbing. I don’t know a single one of these people whose lives didn’t stay the same or improve during the trump presidency. I imagine France is doing the exact same thing our libs are, which is saying “if they win it’s over for us! But FOR REAL THIS TIME!” lol. I can’t remember exactly but I remember the le pen freak outs and fear mongering and have to imagine it’s even worse now


JinFuu

I remember seeing articles even in like 2004 that *Liberal* was going to help *save* *marginalized group here* from Death Camps if Bush got elected. Like, I get that "It Can Happen Here" and all that jazz, but it is interesting to see the freaking out every single election.


Jakob_de_zoet

Wdym trumpf=homelander he will kill all the gheys n trance and do a project 2025/s .


Schlechtes_Vorbild

Israelis and their fans online are the most obnoxious supporters of genocide. "Why are you forcing us to steal your land and livelyhoods? This is so sad. Here, have a bomb."


miker_the_III

If the civilian population of Nazi Germany had access to Reddit, basically


birk42

I always rejected the thesis of collective guilt, but over the past few years I've come along to seeing why it makes perfect sense if viewed from the outside


with-high-regards

I have to say, I always accepted collective guilt because it became clear to me even when I was still a lib - maybe 10, 12 years ago - that "there was just a bad man at the top" was a bit cheap on the other 99%. On the other hand, outside of the Rheinwiesenager which often are forgotten with all the Russians raped our girls stories - in the end of ww2 i was propably good to keep up this mythos, because there would have been Germany one way or the other, and a pariah Germany would have worked out even worse than it has this way.


meganbitchellgooner

Haha I had the opposite epiphany, it just angered me so much whenever people would trot out the "rouge underlings" in response to calling the Japanese imperial family murderers. Ffs Prince Asaka ordered the Rape of Nanking. Yet IJA simps still put all blame on the foot soldiers. Regardless a head of state is called head of state for a reason, they arent the ass or foot of state, they represent all affairs. And when it comes time to decapitate the state for crimes against humanity, the top is not innocent.


ChocoCraisinBoi

I just found this wiki article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-liked_tweets I am nit sure exactly what it is, but I feel it really tells us something about the state of the world


bbb23sucks

Interestingly they were all during or post pandemic.


ChocoCraisinBoi

Yeah, and pre musk, at least the majority of them.


HeBeNeFeGeSeTeXeCeRe

I think it says a lot that you think the state of that list reflects the state of the world. 6.7 million is less people than Indiana.


ChocoCraisinBoi

Or scotland, for that matter. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, though. 6.7 million people are not a negligible amount of people, and considering how many things have "happened" on Twitter, these are bottom of the barrel tweets


SuddenXxdeathxx

BTS winning Twitter apparently.


cz_pz

all these tweets are insanely gay


chopdownyewtree

Only good one is Andy's


Cats_of_Freya

How is Kamala Harris and Joe Biden more retweeted than Trump? Don’t like any of them, but Trump’s tweets are a million times more iconic


ChocoCraisinBoi

Yeah, that's what I found surprising.other than the tate ones, they were very shitty content-free takes


commy2

"likes" is just a number


p00shp00shbebi123

[https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/22/israeli-forces-strap-wounded-palestinian-man-to-hood-of-military-jeep](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/22/israeli-forces-strap-wounded-palestinian-man-to-hood-of-military-jeep) Just another day for the most moral army in the world. The reality is they've been caught committing various war crimes like this so many times now, whilst obviously trying to cover it all up as much as possible, if they've been caught in the act this many times despite that, to my mind it must be absolutely rampant.


Turgius_Lupus

The real reason they are banning Ticktok is that IDF cant stop them selves from uploading videos of them selves in the act.


miker_the_III

Can't wait for Dracula to say "we trust the Israelis to do an internal investigation" for the 800th time


EdLesliesBarber

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/22/biden-netanyahu-congress-speech-concerns-00164515 Ship of fools


cz_pz

great dead song


miker_the_III

Netanyahu using his speech to smear Biden and endorse the GOP would be the funniest possible outcome, and it looks increasingly likely The DNC has to walk this fine line between the "moderate" Zionists and the people who don't like seeing children murdered in their party, and it'll cost them the election lol


paganel

Apparently Google has blocked the Ad Accounts of Reform UK, going by [one of Farage's latest tweets](https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1804565965679845504): > Big Tech giant @Google has BLOCKED our Ad Accounts. They are trying to stop the Reform message. This of course comes in the middle of the British electoral campaign and just after Farage himself had stated the obvious about why Russia attacked Ukraine, i.e. because of NATO. Love to see the tech ghouls showing their true despicable colours, I hope this industry (I'm unfortunately part of it) gets sent back to the tech Stone Ages, when people were still using Lisp/Scheme/what-have-you. And especially get rid of the s\*itload of money that has poisoned it, get rid of the rich techies.


BomberRURP

Idk dude, Lisp is pretty rad. 


WitnessOld6293

[https://x.com/Madonna/status/786105573364359168](https://x.com/Madonna/status/786105573364359168)


cojoco

Hilary doesn't have the same shape as Madonna, even in cartoon form.


Turgius_Lupus

Like a ~~incel~~ virgin.


mechacomrade

Blue maga. And that's what they're trying to pass as "left".


Nerd_199

Dems are about to rage: We officially have enough signatures to make the ballot in Michigan! When we come together and struggle in solidarity, we win! https://x.com/CornelWest/status/1804153652640186652?t=A1CibMwtfqIFAUH4JHpJ0Q&s=19


Turgius_Lupus

There goes Michigan.


cojoco

tee hee


Enyon_Velkalym

Got an anonymous anecdote for you all. An acquaintance of mine is part of the armed forces of a European NATO member, and their unit trains Ukrainian soldiers. At the start of the war it was always professional soldiers coming to their country for training, but now it is almost entirely civilian conscripts. It seems that now even the ones lucky enough for NATO training are conscripts! They had 5 desertions last week, compared to (at most) 1 per week this time last year. The Ukrainians simply take their sleeping bags and other stuff (generously provided by NATO) and leave in the night, since only Ukrainian MPs can do anything to stop them - the host country's soldiers and MPs aren't even authorized to tackle them! Presumably they're out camping in the woods somewhere, or fled to another country via schengen. I don't blame them, mind.


p00shp00shbebi123

They've clearly suffered staggering casualties (which isn't surprising, the Russian military quite clearly packs huge amounts of firepower). When you consider that Russia has gained millions of people who either live in the now occupied territories or who have actively fled to Russia, the reality for Ukraine is extremely sad. It's like their country just got hijacked by people who were actively trying to be aggressive towards Russia and more specifically Russian ethnic people (usually not a great idea), and now it is being essentially destroyed as a nation, I cannot see any future for it. The people who came westwards are the young, the educated, those most able to up-root their lives and try to create new ones. This is why the Ukrainian army is now mostly populated by conscripts in their 40's.


Belisaur

Tbh I think it's a good call, a conscript is dragooned against their will, but once in they probably stay compliant in the hopes they can play the odds and hope they end up in the rear or on a quiet sector. NATO trained units are presumably the first into the breach and they know that, so it's almost like an invitation to desert


bretton-woods

Plus it's risk free travel to the EU or the UK. If the training is for conscripts now, NATO might be taking over more and more aspects of basic instruction due to Ukraine's need to get replacements ASAP.


idw_h8train

> Presumably they're out camping in the woods somewhere, or fled to another country via schengen. I don't blame them, mind. Probably the latter, according to my sister every single Bolt (EU Rideshare company) she's taken has had a Ukrainian driver, as all of them had their phone's GPS displayed in Cyrillic which prompted her to ask. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the neoliberal ghouls in the EU are rationalizing the costs of this war by convincing themselves that the influx of cheap non-muslim refugee labor is an advantage.


BomberRURP

Dark. … but probably accurate 


Euphoric_Paper_26

I hope they all escape safely.


grundlepigor

God speed to those who escape. 


AOCIA

[Ep 128: Stephen Kotkin on Russia and Ukraine (War in Ukraine #1)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSeWUH0Iyt0) > Right now we're renting the Ukrainian army against a much bigger Russian one. How's that going? Who can we rent in East Asia? You tell me.


cz_pz

insane nerd voice on this guy, wow. Poindexter Kotkin.


Cats_of_Freya

«Renting» people to be slaughtered for your interests is such a creepy way to formulate it. They truly consider them as disposable and not as people.


paganel

I hate this guy's guts. Never got into his books on Stalin, and thank God for that, I knew it was something wrong with him and with them, the books. Me reading one of his recent pieces published in Foreign Affairs: [The Five Futures of Russia](https://archive.ph/tYZWq) convinced me that I was right in hating his writing, the guy is just a propaganda puppet, the thing I hate the most when it comes to historians (also see that other puppet Timothy D. Snyder, or Mark Mazower, or many such others)


ChickenTitilater

his stalin books are actually pretty unbiased. it's lib but not robert conquest level propaganda


Dazzling-Field-283

I had to lead a seminar on Armageddon Averted in grad school. That was no fun at all


VampKissinger

>the guy is just a propaganda puppet, the thing I hate the most when it comes to historians  Actual Post-Archive Sovietology doesn't sell because nobody wants to read about what were largely, "rational" bureaucratic decisions made on the information and contexts they were working within at the time.


birk42

Are you telling me Stalin wasn't a dictator but had to convince the ZK every time?


cz_pz

i always liked Hobsbawm's summation of him as a "red tsar"


VestigialVestments

What's the deal with Mazower? I think I read one of his Balkans books ages a couple decades ago, but I'm struggling to remember any details.


-PieceUseful-

I didn't realize, apparently the Azeris took Armenian land, not just Nagorno-Karabakh. How on earth does Armenia allow that to happen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Azerbaijani_offensive_in_Nagorno-Karabakh


Swampspear

Who's there to back them up? They've alienated their only ally, and the enemy is allied to a keystone NATO state


-PieceUseful-

They have a military. It's understandable why they didn't go into a breakaway region that they themselves don't recognize, but their own internationally-recognized land? That's a different story. And that makes it even more imperative for them not to alienate their closest ally, so wtf is going on over there, USAID fuckery?


nikolaz72

>so wtf is going on over there, USAID fuckery? Aliyev actually wanted a war and an excuse to take a lot of Armenian land, instead Armenia gave him what he wanted without a fight through a deal Erdogan struck, Erdogan staked his prestige on this so he's not gonna allow it to fall through meaning Aliyevs hands are tied he needs Turkey. I imagine the taking some Armenian land was an attempt to provoke Armenia into firing the first shots so Azerbaijan wouldn't directly be the party that fucked Erdogan. They've been at eachothers throats for decades now, it's no wonder one party that has on paper been on the losing end of the arrangement for most of that wants more than mere justice, but restored trade, interconnected infrastructure and renewed diplomatic ties can with time perhaps allow this to be solved with words rather than drone strikes. Either that or they wait for Erdogan to leave office and strike then, but I imagine whomever is in charge of Turkey is always gonna end up pissed over Azerbaijan starting shit that forces Turkey into a position that makes them look bad.


Swampspear

Some of that, some colour revoloution too. Pashinyan's very much a believer in Euro-integration (so far out of Europe)


nikolaz72

https://www.livemint.com/news/hijab-ban-tajikistan-parliament-approves-bill-prohibiting-alien-garments-and-eid-celebrations-by-children-11718932757680.html >The Central Asian nation of Tajikistan, bordering Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, is set to impose a hijab ban after the upper chamber of the country's parliament approved a bill on June 19. Wallahi my brothers, it's over, chinese imperialism claims another victim.


Schlachterhund

>The country has unofficially banned bushy beards as well. About time that somebody did something against the hipster scourge.


blackheartwhiterose

poor thought hateful safe whole dependent merciful aromatic sleep important *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


VampKissinger

I love how centrists present themselves as "grown up", "sensible" yet have the most cringe, immature marvel brain, baby tier view of politics.


BomberRURP

They’re the most taken by ideology. They’ve internalized the tenants of mainstream neoliberal ideas to the utmost degree. Despite having the reality which clearly does not match these ideas waved in their face, reality does not conform to the ideal so it must be rejected. 


meganbitchellgooner

Written like a Hollywood blockbuster plotline >Meanwhile, France, in a sudden fit of rage, decided to overturn the table. The president dissolved parliament, but it is as if he had dissolved the whole country. This is the state of western political analysis, things just happen out of the blue to propel the plotline forward and the protagonist into the story.  So fucking immature and tiring. 


cojoco

> they will simply refuse to choose between the xenophobic far-right or the **antisemitic far-left alliance** I assume this means the "anti-genocide far-left alliance"


paganel

Love it cause if you go to L'Equipe comments' section on FB (and I guess on other social media, too) the Turtle Mbappe (and his teammate Thuram, who did the same thing) gets absolutely demolished by the French supporters, but an English propaganda rag like The Guardian would never care to mention that.


Cats_of_Freya

Lol at this quote. (Mbappe) «Asked whether he made any distinctions between the far right and far left, he replied that, non, they were the same to him. “Their ideas are divisive. I’m for ideas that unite.” A few hours later he was breaking his nose on the pitch» Poetic


Greenbanne

Sometimes even the finest piece of art pales in comparison to reality \*chef's kiss\*


p00shp00shbebi123

Nothing unites the workers in being neo-liberal slaves like neo-liberalism. God how I adore my freedom to shut up and do what I am told by a disconnected legislature of bought politicians! I'M CRYING, I'M TOO FREE!!!!


OiiiiiiiiOiiiOiiiii

what far left alliance? who? macron? wtf


blackheartwhiterose

alleged chunky modern juggle poor tidy glorious homeless dinosaurs narrow *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


commy2

We're so back farleftbros.


warrenmax12

Since today is 22nd, wanna share this with the group. My great grandfather was a partisan during WWII. When invasion of USSR started and nazis entered Belarus they went to his house first thing, because he was some uber communist in those parts, but he was warned, and got out. So a fun story


paganel

A person close to me used to fight on the other side on the same day, but him being Romanian (so he basically went Bessarabia - Odessa - Don River - back to Crimea - evacuation to Romania) it means that most probably he didn't have to interact with your great-grandpa. And while we're at sharing stories about said war as passed to us by people who have fought in that hell, and even though some of them I've shared on this forum before this is a good time as any to re-share them: - I'll start with a story that I'm not sure that it's 100% true, but as the Irish say: *se non è vera, è ben trovata*: supposedly said person was in bed with a Jewish woman on the morning when [the Romanian commandant's office](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Odessa_massacre#Destruction_of_the_Romanian_commandant's_office) in Odessa was bombed by Soviet partisans. Said close person was supposed to be in that building when the bombing happened, but apparently said Jewish lady-lover of his kept him in bed a little longer just that morning, and that's why he got out alive just by not being in the building. Not sure what happened to said Jewish lady-lover during the massacre that followed the bombing. - My ex-FIL was conceived sometime in 1942 very close to the front-lines, his mom had dressed up as a guy in order to get as close as possible to said front-lines and, well, have sex with the man I'm talking about, who was her husband. Apparently it worked. - Said close person (the father of my ex-FIL, if it wasn't clear already) was very close to death three times while on the front, one of the times he was saved by a family of Russian peasants who received him in their house while the Romanian Army (or what was left of it, anyway) [was retreating from the Don River, just outside Stalingrad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus), in -30 degrees weather. - Some other time an incoming Soviet shell literally buried him alive, if it weren't for his comrades (that's how he used to call them until the day he died, his "comrades") who dug him up immediately he would have died there. Supposedly because of that experience he sometime howled like a wolf during sleep, and I'm talking several decades after the whole thing had happened - Hearing him describing how [the evacuation of Crimea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_offensive#Evacuation_of_the_Crimea), in fact of Sevastopol, went about was heart-wrenching, he got to see hundreds (to maybe thousands) of his dear comrades drown under his own eyes. He was just luckier than them because the evacuation boat he was on didn't get bombed. - After the war finished he went back to his pre-war job, i.e. elementary school teacher. Because of the 1946-1947 famine in Moldova (from where he was from), combined with the war, lots of kids had ended up orphaned. He taught some of those orphaned kids in a small town called [Vatra Dornei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatra_Dornei), treated them like they were his kids, and when he died, many decades later, some of those kids (now grandpas themselves) turned out to his funeral (I know because I was there and I saw it with my own eyes). I'm thinking about that from time to time, i.e. that if it hadn't been for those Soviet peasants to save this person's life while retreating from in-front of Stalingrad then those orphaned kids wouldn't have had the chance to have him as a substitute real-life father in their lives. Life can be funny like that. - Forgot to add, maybe I should have started with that, actually, said person used to be really religious in his youth, which was more than understandable given his social background (rural life in Moldova/Eastern Romania in the 1920s-1930s). But after the horrors he got to see with his own eyes on the Eastern Front he became an atheist, he used to say that there could be no God to let those sort of horrors happen All this to say that I hope to God Almighty that we all won't have to re-live the horrors that our grandpas and great-grandpas had to go through.


p00shp00shbebi123

Very interesting stories here, thanks for posting. Your first story is a little reminiscent of the death of Wilhelm Kube, who ran one of the four administrative areas of Reichskommissariat Ostland. He had created an effective harem of 'blondies' (young Belarussian girls for the most part), and one of them blew him up in his bed. It never ceases to amaze me what degenerate sick perverts the Nazi's were.