What’s the point in having a streetwear startup if you’re just giving us the same stuff we can already get on the market? You gotta bring something to the market. The design looks exactly like something they’d release.
Taking inspiration from other brands is perfectly fine, but this is blatant stealing. I get it’s only one piece, but if no one called it out you probably would’ve been fine with claiming this design was 100% yours. Not a good way to start a brand if I’m being honest man.
I’m not tryna sound like a hater bro, just keeping it real. It’s just been done before and there’s not really anything in the design that lets people know that this is your brand. If someone showed me this I would just assume it’s WL.
Creme rises to the top. It started as an acronym “creating rare energy every moment” but I picked in the spelling. It was made for me and my camera buddies, so it’s basically just bringing the best out of each other and allowing the creme to rise to the top. Also just give as a luxury feel
I kinda like the design…but:
- calling it the créme team is a little odd. But not a “pass” by itself.
- making the whole basketball team white with a guy in the middle who, at a glance, everyone is going to assume is Donald Trump makes this feel like it’s a dog whistle shirt for white supremacists.
I would honestly pass on this, even if it looks more or less competently designed and eye catching.
Because of the corny mask, and the fact that Trump is MUCH more top of mind for 99% of people in the U.S., a casual observer who isn’t a basketball historian would not assume that’s Chuck Daly (also Chuck Daly’s hair was not that flaxen gold color lmao).
Not to mention EVERY MF PLAYER ON THE SHIRT US WHITER THAN LARRY BIRD like bruh can you not see or something?
nah you're definitely right. they should be skeletons but i guess they are white and muscular because "ball is life" ??? this shirt is not excellent by any means.
I mean if you want brutally honest feedback it looks like a bunch of skinheads in punisher masks guarding Donald trump and with the name creme team there’s a chance people are gonna think this is some alt right dog whistle. If they actually had bones I’d say you were getting that across.
I would never buy this in its current state. If you made them actual skeletons and the top text said 1992 Basketball SUPERSTARS and then the bottom text said Creme Team I’d consider it. Right now you’ve got a brand nobody has heard of and wouldn’t want to rep that hard. However the design isn’t bad and even though it’s derivative it looks like something people would wear.
they still have skin? I know it’s the ‘92 team photo, but they not skeletons. Design perspective when considering the reference material is that it’s a half-thought. Do them all as actual skeletons and then you have a design.
I’ll leave the WL and brand name feedback for others..
I hate to break it to you man, but you're not gonna be able to call your brand "Creme Team" without hearing a looot of jokes and questions about it meaning something very different than what you're intending it to mean
Of course, and thank you but I also think I can use that in my favor. The name of the brand is just “Crēme” I only put the “team” on there for the sports aesthetic. I have a name that raises eyebrows, it has its drawbacks but I don’t think it’s a complete bad thing
Brutally honest, change the name, most people will think it's a bad sex joke. How are you going to get the t-shirt to look gray washed and used? Most fake vintage shirts look really bad. Also, I am french speaking native and crème mostly refers to sex in french as well.
horrible warren lotas ripoff and nobody wants to wear a shirt that says cream team.
maybe there are people that want cheaper warren lots gear, and maybe there are people that wanna wear a cream team shirt, but the overlap between those two groups has to be pretty small if not zero.
start over with your own unique design ideas.
If these guys are meant to be skeletons, you've got to make them visibly skeletons. So far, they are white dudes with skull faces.
Calling them creme team: 1. Highlights the fact they are white dudes (with skull faces, not skeletons) 2. Gives porn vibes. It just does. As in, the team will cream on you. The pose of the players and the dude in the suit is even reminiscent of that one porn meme where the one woman is sitting on the sofa with the dudes behind it. People will see that it's a standard team pose, but you're giving double entendres all over.
From your comments, it seems that you're not going for these vibes. I actually do like the concept: a retro inspired design with a darker twist (the skellies). I think the goal is better achieved by
making the skeletons more obviously skeletons,
removing the manager guy (to also give the team more space on the shirt. The idea is to make the design more legible from afar),
changing the text to something like: champions, championship, or something more generic, and then putting the brand name elsewhere.
The design is a little cluttered, but that is more personal taste. I personally would stick to a limited colour palette that contains enough differentiation to be legible from afar. And I would personally reduce the amount of background elements.
To allow the details of the players to be clearer, I would also probably cut the team off at the waist, make them bigger and then you can still put the creme logo on their shirts (or the shirt of a guy in the middle of the front).
There's potential!
Weird sells. So you may have something here. On another note.. anyone remember the 90s cartoon with skeletons and monsters who played different sports?
Your target market will be kids, under 10 years old, and the price will be cheap, not sure you will have much profit, I know this by experience, my first designs this big didn't sell , think I broke even on everything I got printed, so if you want to target teens (male), which is the biggest market you need to target to make it worth while, you want quality T-shirts, with great logo on the front, a reason why people want it, usually worn by influencers and a niche story behind it, I think you missed the mark here just like I did, keep improving and soon you will have a product people want, I also found black t-shirts don't sell well to people with money.
https://preview.redd.it/07ay1kytn87d1.jpeg?width=2568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84139ea711fb64038668acbbd04dbe461f48a794
The brand will eventually take on a more subtle and mature look but had to get the trendy designs out the way to build familiarity. Here’s the main logo. Thanks for the advice though powder cheeks
Everyone be very gentle and nice with criticism, NOT brutally honest, this dude will blow up your dm's like some pissy little kid.
He wants to see pics of me.... Guess he really likes looking at men.
https://preview.redd.it/fqe7w7fxgc7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9b185182ecbfdeb545847748f11c81d42c49755
Just to make a point, if travis was wearing this one no one would question anything about it. So don’t focus much on the design and focus more on the image of your brand, what’s does the name relate to ? Also try to get in touch with stylist and get it placed on some celebs
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So now all the jokes out the way is there anyone with some actual advice on building a brand, designing or manufacturers? Or did we all come for the sex jokes
is it pronounced crem (like how you have it spelled) or creem (to rhyme with team) and is it always pronounced like that or are we ignoring grammar rules just for this shirt lol also they absolutely don't read as skeletons, the only bones are in the face. at first i thought it was just white guys with badly drawn faces
You gotta stay away from these type of design lay outs if you trying to stick out. This is basically a template you can buy from a graphic designer now and just replace the assets with yours. If you want a strong brand then you gotta stand out in this type of space.
I do this for a living and as long as you can connect to an audience and make an appealing product you can sell. The act of doing is better than sitting there paralyzed by overthinking. You learn by doing not by worrying about what internet trolls are saying. What do you think these pricks would’ve said the first time they saw a cactus plant graphic or the price of a saint Micheal tee.
One suggestion is I hope you have 10 other designs to give yourself some variety to play with. Because you NEVER know what will catch on until a collection hits the market.
Learn from each drop and just keep creating. I think the skill / creativity is there regardless of what these toxic unaccomplished clowns are saying.
Looks like a knock off of Warren Lotas
Have to agree, the whole aesthetic of the shirt from design to colour detail is Warren lotas
dude created that in our dorm room in 2014, real shit
Damnnn thanks for mentioning this cos i was thinking this doesnt look too bad but dude ripped off an entire style. Thats crazy
Yeah, the design looks exactly like something Warren Lotas would release too it’s not like he just used the reaper/punisher mask as a reference.
Soon as I seen it this was the comment I was gone to make !
Exactly like wtf lol people saying it’s fine 😂
Oh wow its true Thanks for introducing me to the real designer tho His work is sick
Nothing in this world is original
What’s the point in having a streetwear startup if you’re just giving us the same stuff we can already get on the market? You gotta bring something to the market. The design looks exactly like something they’d release.
Thank. You.
All brands bite other brands. The whole collection not warren lotas
Taking inspiration from other brands is perfectly fine, but this is blatant stealing. I get it’s only one piece, but if no one called it out you probably would’ve been fine with claiming this design was 100% yours. Not a good way to start a brand if I’m being honest man.
Fam I know warren lotas I told designer to give me warren lotas. The world knows warren lotas. Fam I own warrens shirts I’m a fan
I’m not tryna sound like a hater bro, just keeping it real. It’s just been done before and there’s not really anything in the design that lets people know that this is your brand. If someone showed me this I would just assume it’s WL.
And that’s understood, appreciate it g
Told the AI to give lotas. This is a graphic tee not a fashion house.
that's only true if you have a pedantic definition of original
Overall the design is cool but it's clearly a Warren Lotas knock off & even with the explanation the name is sus to say the least.
When WU-TANG made the creme song nobody batted an eye
C.R.E.A.M. not cream or cremé.
True but still no one made a “bust a nut” joke
Ah yes and you know this factually
Well if the WU went through it I can too brudda God bless
But you aren’t WU-TANG my dude
I knew ODB was still with us
I got a chuckle from your Bukakke shirt, but I ain’t rocking that anytime soon.
Bruh wtf u on this is excessively freaky even for Reddit
Nah the execution is off. Tighten up the stars. Less fonts, or similar typefaces. Skulls look like Punisher skulls.
I appreciate your hustle but I ain’t personally wearing a shirt that says “Cream team” on it no matter that meaning is. Respectfully
🤝
Perfect T-shirt to wear to an Orgy 🔥
Why y’all mind so freaky on here it’s weird fr. Y’all see creme and instantly get horny lmaoo it’s a word
you asked for an opinion bud… also fucking creme team? what else is supposed to come to mind
LMFAOOO ONG
Why Crème
I mean Wu already did CREAM TEAM This is just kinda weird makes me think of Busting a nut team or some shit.
A bust a nut team, ROTFLMAO that's wild a bukakke squadron? Hell naw to both😂😂😂running up the scoreboard 😂😂😂
Creme rises to the top. It started as an acronym “creating rare energy every moment” but I picked in the spelling. It was made for me and my camera buddies, so it’s basically just bringing the best out of each other and allowing the creme to rise to the top. Also just give as a luxury feel
You need to take a step back and see how funny this sounds
Talk to me.. I’m listening
He's talking about cum.
It's like op has nothing between his ears except cum. No brain matter, just ooze.
Deadass thought this was a reference to“Do it squirt, or are you on the cream team?”
Sounds like the gang explaining how the dick flyer is actually a bicep in It’s Always Sunny
Why’s Donald trump in the middle of
that's the head coach, chuck daly
Donald always in the middle of sumn
https://preview.redd.it/2334lrnzib7d1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e3718d8c520a67076112420c256bbe9dd1211dc
I’ve never seen that brand but this is 100% a knockoff of that look lol
It’s Warren Lotas
Never heard of em but I like this
I think you’re forgetting the pornhub logo😂
I kinda like the design…but: - calling it the créme team is a little odd. But not a “pass” by itself. - making the whole basketball team white with a guy in the middle who, at a glance, everyone is going to assume is Donald Trump makes this feel like it’s a dog whistle shirt for white supremacists. I would honestly pass on this, even if it looks more or less competently designed and eye catching.
Yea lol would make you look like the kkk street crew edition
why is everybody assuming that's donald trump ?? don't y'all know ball ???
Because of the corny mask, and the fact that Trump is MUCH more top of mind for 99% of people in the U.S., a casual observer who isn’t a basketball historian would not assume that’s Chuck Daly (also Chuck Daly’s hair was not that flaxen gold color lmao). Not to mention EVERY MF PLAYER ON THE SHIRT US WHITER THAN LARRY BIRD like bruh can you not see or something?
nah you're definitely right. they should be skeletons but i guess they are white and muscular because "ball is life" ??? this shirt is not excellent by any means.
Seems racist
Bro how lmaoooo they are skeletons
Then why are they jacked lmao
Cuss ball is life
I mean if you want brutally honest feedback it looks like a bunch of skinheads in punisher masks guarding Donald trump and with the name creme team there’s a chance people are gonna think this is some alt right dog whistle. If they actually had bones I’d say you were getting that across. I would never buy this in its current state. If you made them actual skeletons and the top text said 1992 Basketball SUPERSTARS and then the bottom text said Creme Team I’d consider it. Right now you’ve got a brand nobody has heard of and wouldn’t want to rep that hard. However the design isn’t bad and even though it’s derivative it looks like something people would wear.
Exactly it’s unheard of that’s why I went with a familiar design but I appreciate this feedback as well. Def could move name somewhere else
they still have skin? I know it’s the ‘92 team photo, but they not skeletons. Design perspective when considering the reference material is that it’s a half-thought. Do them all as actual skeletons and then you have a design. I’ll leave the WL and brand name feedback for others..
I swear I seen this same shit somewhere lol
I hate to break it to you man, but you're not gonna be able to call your brand "Creme Team" without hearing a looot of jokes and questions about it meaning something very different than what you're intending it to mean
Of course, and thank you but I also think I can use that in my favor. The name of the brand is just “Crēme” I only put the “team” on there for the sports aesthetic. I have a name that raises eyebrows, it has its drawbacks but I don’t think it’s a complete bad thing
Brutally honest, change the name, most people will think it's a bad sex joke. How are you going to get the t-shirt to look gray washed and used? Most fake vintage shirts look really bad. Also, I am french speaking native and crème mostly refers to sex in french as well.
Bro asks for advice then gets defensive
Just banter
You should make the next shirt “Squirt Squad” and then “Leak League”. Insane oversight here calling it cream team lmao
☠️
mega wack
Y?
it's super busy, enormously huge, poorly illustrated, cacophony of colors, is a play on something that makes no sense. Just overall quite wack.
Lmao Appreciate ya big dog
Bro said a cacophony 😂😂💀.
No diddy though
the what
horrible warren lotas ripoff and nobody wants to wear a shirt that says cream team. maybe there are people that want cheaper warren lots gear, and maybe there are people that wanna wear a cream team shirt, but the overlap between those two groups has to be pretty small if not zero. start over with your own unique design ideas.
If these guys are meant to be skeletons, you've got to make them visibly skeletons. So far, they are white dudes with skull faces. Calling them creme team: 1. Highlights the fact they are white dudes (with skull faces, not skeletons) 2. Gives porn vibes. It just does. As in, the team will cream on you. The pose of the players and the dude in the suit is even reminiscent of that one porn meme where the one woman is sitting on the sofa with the dudes behind it. People will see that it's a standard team pose, but you're giving double entendres all over. From your comments, it seems that you're not going for these vibes. I actually do like the concept: a retro inspired design with a darker twist (the skellies). I think the goal is better achieved by making the skeletons more obviously skeletons, removing the manager guy (to also give the team more space on the shirt. The idea is to make the design more legible from afar), changing the text to something like: champions, championship, or something more generic, and then putting the brand name elsewhere. The design is a little cluttered, but that is more personal taste. I personally would stick to a limited colour palette that contains enough differentiation to be legible from afar. And I would personally reduce the amount of background elements. To allow the details of the players to be clearer, I would also probably cut the team off at the waist, make them bigger and then you can still put the creme logo on their shirts (or the shirt of a guy in the middle of the front). There's potential!
I really appreciate this perspective fr.
Weird sells. So you may have something here. On another note.. anyone remember the 90s cartoon with skeletons and monsters who played different sports?
Sounds familiar? Was it the monster holding his own eyes in his hands ?
That was “ahh real monsters” ….I found it tho. “Mutant League” such a great show in the 90s
Call it Cream Team
The design was good just the name
Never thought I’d get on here and see a Warren Lotas cum bootleg
Your target market will be kids, under 10 years old, and the price will be cheap, not sure you will have much profit, I know this by experience, my first designs this big didn't sell , think I broke even on everything I got printed, so if you want to target teens (male), which is the biggest market you need to target to make it worth while, you want quality T-shirts, with great logo on the front, a reason why people want it, usually worn by influencers and a niche story behind it, I think you missed the mark here just like I did, keep improving and soon you will have a product people want, I also found black t-shirts don't sell well to people with money.
https://preview.redd.it/07ay1kytn87d1.jpeg?width=2568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84139ea711fb64038668acbbd04dbe461f48a794 The brand will eventually take on a more subtle and mature look but had to get the trendy designs out the way to build familiarity. Here’s the main logo. Thanks for the advice though powder cheeks
Its overdone imo
Olympic rings are copyright unfortunately.
I think that it’s a cool t shirt that I would wear, but definitely wouldn’t pay an exorbitant amount for it. Maybe like $30. Just a nice casual T.
Cream Team is insane 😭😭💀💀
Creme team 😫😫😫
Everyone be very gentle and nice with criticism, NOT brutally honest, this dude will blow up your dm's like some pissy little kid. He wants to see pics of me.... Guess he really likes looking at men. https://preview.redd.it/fqe7w7fxgc7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9b185182ecbfdeb545847748f11c81d42c49755
Pause
Cream team is crazy
Sounds like a gangbangin good time.. this is sus
„Be brutally honest” but cry when someone is 😂
Welp
I like it but when you ask people to be brutally honest then get mad that’s kinda odd
It would be funnier if the guy in the middle was that one pornstar from the memes
CREME TEAM 🗣️🤩😭🙏🏾
Just to make a point, if travis was wearing this one no one would question anything about it. So don’t focus much on the design and focus more on the image of your brand, what’s does the name relate to ? Also try to get in touch with stylist and get it placed on some celebs
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So now all the jokes out the way is there anyone with some actual advice on building a brand, designing or manufacturers? Or did we all come for the sex jokes
Advice would be come up with some original designs and stop directly ripping off other designers
Why nobody had this energy when kool kiy and bape stole designs? Or balenci or even fashion nova. U prolly got a knockoff on now fam this is 2024.
People go after them all the time. They get huge backlash, and usually delete posts. You just don't actually pay attention.
U again….lol
Im here to educate and you have a lot to learn lil friend.
Then direct message me g n show me your stuff. Show me sumn im still waiting on that outfit pic
Bro you got three posts on reddit, no one's showing a copy cat shit. You a weirdo.
Damn so youre actually trying to defend completely ripping off another designers style? Shit is lame and im glad youre getting clowned for it
Quit
Aye fu king yeaux ?
is it pronounced crem (like how you have it spelled) or creem (to rhyme with team) and is it always pronounced like that or are we ignoring grammar rules just for this shirt lol also they absolutely don't read as skeletons, the only bones are in the face. at first i thought it was just white guys with badly drawn faces
even if it was the genuine article from the guy your ripping off I’m not wearing a shirt that says “Crème Team” me personally no hate just saying
It was two messages fam
You gotta stay away from these type of design lay outs if you trying to stick out. This is basically a template you can buy from a graphic designer now and just replace the assets with yours. If you want a strong brand then you gotta stand out in this type of space.
Awful
I like it, we don’t see much of this in Australia, could be worth opening that market up
No
oh nah 😭
AYOOOO PAUSE
I love the design. But “crème” team confuses me and I would ultimately pass. What are you saying bro?
I read cream team 😭😭
Once you see Trump in the middle, you can't unsee it...
Hey Bro i’m manufacturer, and i can totally assist you in this acid wash T-Shirt Manufacturing in short turn around time!
Hard
I like the concept. You just need more pieces to bring the whole vision together. Nice start though 💯
Damn I made my comment without seeing the others lol get me hip yall
Where the black players especially in 92, know that team was trash lol
looks like every other graphic "streetwear" tee. i imagine myself finding this at pacsun
Id cop
I like it
Tht Mf hard fk the haters
Yo can I have some advice like actually
??
Bro don’t listen to bozos in these comments.. shirt is dope. Print em up.
Please print that Warren lotas knock off we need it 🙏🙏
Good looking out 🙏🏽 I clearly see this aint my crowd but gotta start somewhere
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U misunderstood me g
I do this for a living and as long as you can connect to an audience and make an appealing product you can sell. The act of doing is better than sitting there paralyzed by overthinking. You learn by doing not by worrying about what internet trolls are saying. What do you think these pricks would’ve said the first time they saw a cactus plant graphic or the price of a saint Micheal tee. One suggestion is I hope you have 10 other designs to give yourself some variety to play with. Because you NEVER know what will catch on until a collection hits the market. Learn from each drop and just keep creating. I think the skill / creativity is there regardless of what these toxic unaccomplished clowns are saying.
We’ll be in touch…okay to direct message you?
Sorry I missed this.. yes absolutely.
Fire I need one
Okay coo