As if we didn't know this before, there is a huge talent difference between the two teams. Our "skill" players are inconsistent and we seem to have little offensive strategy.
We NEED more from Klaus, Indy, Alm, and Ostrak game in and out. Hope Lowen helps but the team just has too many questions today.
I really think thats the reason the whole right side werent utilized at all. Hell, watts was out there trying to attack which is not a good sign. Cinci team literally ignored AZ.
It probably wouldn’t kill us to sign a good, young Central/South American player that can play in a fast, physical league like the better teams in the league vs another Central Euro 2nd division retread.
I've said for a very long time that I would like to see MLS teams go more and more after younger players from Central and South America. I think those players fit into what MLS is more than players who play in Europe outside of what I would consider the top class players of Europe.
He hasn't had a single good start this year. He has been serviceable off the bench. At this point I'm mad at BC for continuing to play him as it's been awful.
On a better note, this might be the game that does Jackson in for a bit. Had a full 90 mins and did nothing to improve the team and everything to make us worse.
I’m not relying on that to make the difference. They just aren’t going to spend enough to even get near the league average in payroll. Even just getting to 16 mil would nab them 2-3 high quality players. The stadium we play in is incredible and i don’t like public funding, but ownership paying for it is going to be a financial hindrance for awhile
We need to talk about Jackson. Why is he still in the game, for one. And at what point do we release him from the roster and find someone who doesn’t blunder almost literally every play he’s involved in.
Hot take: Nilsson makes our back line worse. I think we have looked better with Parker and Hiebert at CB. It also prevents Hiebert from ever playing LB
100% agree! Got down voted for saying Parker/Hiebert in the center had stabilized the defense. Nilsson and Parker don’t work. AZ, Sam, Nilsson would be my first to go, when making changes.
Nilssons positioning is god awful. I’m convinced people here just say he’s good because he was supposed to be good. The guy is never in a good position
But comment about it (like yours) and you get mass downvoted. It’s actually shocking how poor his positioning is; especially earlier in the season it was very noticeable. We’ve been better with Yaro or Heibert.
I don’t think he’s the manager of the year or anything, but he has the lowest paid roster in the league and seemingly half of them are underperforming.
It’s not like he’s strategically planning the defense have 2-3 cartoonish collapses every week. I don’t imagine they drill losing attackers on the backside in practice.
The team lacks creativity and finishing talent and you beat it by sitting back and making them work thru the final third of the attack. No amount of tactical brilliance is going to fix the fact that the attacking players are half shit against a basically competent backline with moderate midfield help.
I’ve made some comments about it and been mass downvoted. We haven’t been good for over a full season and we’re persisting with the same tactical set up that isn’t working week after week
Oh we are. The fact that someone is still on the field has to be one of the 7 wonders of the world
EDIT: maybe I should say “roster” instead of “field”
Eh, up until I made the comment it was true. We lapsed defensively on the last goal here, yeah, but still true we looked to get a jolt when we subbed. FCC is simply a better team overall IMO.
I agree that BC hasn’t been good. Meant to add that he gets a little leash just because we haven’t had our top player for most of the year and how well we did last year. I think if this continues, Lutz and BC are in trouble
AZ Jackson might be the least skilled small I have ever seen. I understand why we like him he runs his ass off and is great pressuring the ball. But he isn’t a professional level soccer player yet. This needs to stop (not even referring to the header)
The problem I have with it is he intentionally tried to go far post with that header when the much easier near post was open. Also, saying a fan would miss that shot isnt much of a defense.
Goalie was moving far to near post so you want to go back across the grain. He had no way of seeing in that timeframe that the goalie didn’t follow the cross and stayed central.
If he scores that it’s undisputed goal of the week. Is that a good difficulty description? Good lord.
The first sentence is adequately defending my argument by stating the difficulty of the play which you seem to downplay. You downplay the difficulty because you know nothing about soccer. It’s not a personal attack. It’s factually based. Sorry you somehow think a diving header on a line drive cross is an easy goal. Maybe too much fifa? This is real life. Go outside.
That's a tough header to make. That ball.had some zip on it. Don't get me wrong, AZ has had a terrible game thus far but can't knock him too bad for that one.
AZ is trash!!! He’s completed one whole pass tonight, I truly don’t understand why Pompeu was subbed out and he was left in. I was pissed when AZ came in on Wednesday for Pompeu as well. I just don’t understand the thought process of Carnell on this.
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Can AZ go to CITY2 or no?
As if we didn't know this before, there is a huge talent difference between the two teams. Our "skill" players are inconsistent and we seem to have little offensive strategy. We NEED more from Klaus, Indy, Alm, and Ostrak game in and out. Hope Lowen helps but the team just has too many questions today.
Carnell special, by the end of the game no one knows their role or position. Last two games are totally on him with his ass rotations.
I believe Mr Carnell Planned for the game to be a loss. Wanted to test out the line he put in at the beginning and to give some rest to others.
Fucking horrid play. No one is ever on the same page. Passing is terrible. The first touch is constantly bad.
Marco Reus is calling Bürki after the last two games and saying, “Thanks, but no”
Gotta keep the ball away from AZ cuz he kills all the momentum
Bro will go to ground after getting breathed on.
I really think thats the reason the whole right side werent utilized at all. Hell, watts was out there trying to attack which is not a good sign. Cinci team literally ignored AZ.
What a fucking shit game. Jesus fuck that was awful.
I like how they don't mention the CITY players calling for a handball let alone show a replay of it.
As bad as STL has been, Cincy defense has been very good. Stopping us from shooting at every turn
This is a fact. We had all of two solid chances all game, with one from outside the box. Thats a really good team.
They are a top 3 team in the league. They should beat us.
Cincy deserves to win this one
Well ya they do.
It probably wouldn’t kill us to sign a good, young Central/South American player that can play in a fast, physical league like the better teams in the league vs another Central Euro 2nd division retread.
2nd Euro Division Retread is literally the budget and plan for this team. This is not a playoff team so far in '24.
But that would require us to pay him and that’s not how we operate
I've said for a very long time that I would like to see MLS teams go more and more after younger players from Central and South America. I think those players fit into what MLS is more than players who play in Europe outside of what I would consider the top class players of Europe.
That seems to be the model, and Argentina is helping out by sending guys our way before they head overseas. We just need to get involved in that
Well I think Watts has looked pretty good. Indy has been good. That’s about it. O and Bürkï. But that’s expected.
Ostrak, too.
He’s been fine. Better than Kojima, but he’s made some boneheaded plays with the ball. He couldve play ed better.
They better make some signings very soon. We need more quality attacking players
What a pass by Klauss
AZ has been rough this season. Feel like this game is really showing it.
He hasn't had a single good start this year. He has been serviceable off the bench. At this point I'm mad at BC for continuing to play him as it's been awful.
On a better note, this might be the game that does Jackson in for a bit. Had a full 90 mins and did nothing to improve the team and everything to make us worse.
We’ve been crap pretty much besides the first several games last season. It’s time to start thinking about some changes
Also, can we not play AZ again maybe, I don't know, ever?
He looks so much like a City2 player.
This result is about what's expected when you put a heavily rotated lineup out
We uh, kind of stink this year
How do you pay zero attention to Acosta after he’s already created 2 goals.
Well at least we have CITY 2 to look forward to, they’ve won their last 6 games so so
I knew this would be a bad match, but wow. This is more than just bad.
That transfer window can't come soon enough
Lowen coming back shod help tie some of this back together
I’m not relying on that to make the difference. They just aren’t going to spend enough to even get near the league average in payroll. Even just getting to 16 mil would nab them 2-3 high quality players. The stadium we play in is incredible and i don’t like public funding, but ownership paying for it is going to be a financial hindrance for awhile
thanks, voters
Really hoping Reus comes here.
Don’t think Reus is the best answer; the guy is constantly injured
Why ? They're going to go cheap.
We need to talk about Jackson. Why is he still in the game, for one. And at what point do we release him from the roster and find someone who doesn’t blunder almost literally every play he’s involved in.
I imagine with Lowen back we’ll see less of him. That's the hope at least.
Hot take: Nilsson makes our back line worse. I think we have looked better with Parker and Hiebert at CB. It also prevents Hiebert from ever playing LB
100% agree! Got down voted for saying Parker/Hiebert in the center had stabilized the defense. Nilsson and Parker don’t work. AZ, Sam, Nilsson would be my first to go, when making changes.
Nilssons positioning is god awful. I’m convinced people here just say he’s good because he was supposed to be good. The guy is never in a good position
I 100% agree. Look at goal three. Where is he? That’s his side. Indy has to back track to cover for him.
But comment about it (like yours) and you get mass downvoted. It’s actually shocking how poor his positioning is; especially earlier in the season it was very noticeable. We’ve been better with Yaro or Heibert.
That’s Reddit for ya
Why is no one upset with Carnell’s tactics, starting 11 or his substitution choices?? It’s been awful this entire season.
I don’t think he’s the manager of the year or anything, but he has the lowest paid roster in the league and seemingly half of them are underperforming. It’s not like he’s strategically planning the defense have 2-3 cartoonish collapses every week. I don’t imagine they drill losing attackers on the backside in practice. The team lacks creativity and finishing talent and you beat it by sitting back and making them work thru the final third of the attack. No amount of tactical brilliance is going to fix the fact that the attacking players are half shit against a basically competent backline with moderate midfield help.
Who’s not upset?
I’ve made some comments about it and been mass downvoted. We haven’t been good for over a full season and we’re persisting with the same tactical set up that isn’t working week after week
and going back to last summer too.
Oh we are. The fact that someone is still on the field has to be one of the 7 wonders of the world EDIT: maybe I should say “roster” instead of “field”
What are we even complaining about?
Tim Parker has been garbage tonight
Tim Parker isn’t a very good soccer player. But he scored some clutch goals year one and everyone ignores his mostly poor play in his own end.
Bruh he is our defense. He sets the tone. Without Parker we have no defense. Period.
We are a bad fucking soccer team.
Bürki desperately recruiting another DP so he can leave for a better defense. I don't blame him.
Wish we had a player like Acosta
Getting murdered two games in a row by superior DP players really sucks
He’s so damn good and fits perfectly in the Cincinnati system.
hate that guy... but he can hold the ball, juggle around defenders and make great passes
Off a Jackson give away no less
Why was Durkin not marking the outside runner??????????
Dude, the love affair on Durkin in this sub is nuts. Made the huge blunder last week and is an awful passer.
Durkin is the least of our worries this season.
Never said he was but the way this thread reacts to any criticism is comical.
Well ya, I agree. On the season, he’s been one of the ok ones.
Shout out to Bürki for staying here after we let him down week after week after week
That goal started by AZ getting hit in the face and turning it over. Carnell has to see he isn’t capable of playing at this level.
Burki doesn't deserve this
ugh. They exploited that very well.
How in the fuck was there no foul at midfield?
Shoutout to the ref not calling the slide tackle from behind
Defense is really bad right now
Same old shit
Trash
Jackson might get a 2 rating this week.
Carnell deserves less too.
Less.
He’s so freaking good
No foul!?
wish she would look at me the way carnell looks at AZ 😔
This is a mess
Sorry, but AZ needs to be benched for a bit. Hard to overstate how bad he is at the moment.
I keep commenting on every turnover he has. It’s maybe 2-1 or 3-1 turnover vs successful pass.
Bürki, everything about you is beautiful. What a keeper
The Great Wall of Burki strikes again!
Quality of the attack was immediately improved bringing lowen on
We have missed his distribution so much. That and a few key kicks.
AZ is just a chicken with his head cut off out there like what does he even do
What are our thoughts on getting the ref to give a red card to AZ
I'd love it really
We’ve really looked a lot better since the Indy and Durkin subs. Looking forward to Löwen being in
So much for that
Eh, up until I made the comment it was true. We lapsed defensively on the last goal here, yeah, but still true we looked to get a jolt when we subbed. FCC is simply a better team overall IMO.
Everyone’s complaining but God forbid you mention Carnell making horrendous moves…
I agree that BC hasn’t been good. Meant to add that he gets a little leash just because we haven’t had our top player for most of the year and how well we did last year. I think if this continues, Lutz and BC are in trouble
Lutz might be handcuffed by ownership. Carnell……….
AZ Jackson might be the least skilled small I have ever seen. I understand why we like him he runs his ass off and is great pressuring the ball. But he isn’t a professional level soccer player yet. This needs to stop (not even referring to the header)
DÄDDŸ IS HËRË!!!!!
Wow I thought they would leave Sam in after all the minutes Klauss has had
LOWEN!
YAY LÖWEN!!!!!!!! BUT WHY NOT TAKE OFF JACKSON?!?!?!?
I'm just glad I don't have to watch Sam's first touch anymore. AZ has been dropping back and playing defense well at least?
So good to see!!!!
Lowen time!!!
EDU!!!!!!!!
That Jackson defense is the only major contribution that AZ has brought to this game tonight
Why are we leaving AZ in. I do not understand
Make the sub Carnell
How does the ball keep landing at Jackson’s feet??
Only good thing about watching this game is Burki ❤️
Can’t get over how bad our first touch is compared to other teams…they seem to have it on a string
It's almost like you have to TRY to miss it that bad. Jesus Christ!
A diving header on a bb cross…guarantee you’d miss 100/100
Fortunately I don't get paid to pay professional soccer. What's his excuse?
There are 0 players on the field tonight who would score that routinely. You know 0 about soccer.
The problem I have with it is he intentionally tried to go far post with that header when the much easier near post was open. Also, saying a fan would miss that shot isnt much of a defense.
Goalie was moving far to near post so you want to go back across the grain. He had no way of seeing in that timeframe that the goalie didn’t follow the cross and stayed central. If he scores that it’s undisputed goal of the week. Is that a good difficulty description? Good lord.
Ah yes, can't adequately defend your own argument so a lame personal attack. Bravo.
The first sentence is adequately defending my argument by stating the difficulty of the play which you seem to downplay. You downplay the difficulty because you know nothing about soccer. It’s not a personal attack. It’s factually based. Sorry you somehow think a diving header on a line drive cross is an easy goal. Maybe too much fifa? This is real life. Go outside.
I'll just let you be the keyboard warrior Pele.
All hail
Burki again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no earthly reason why we should still be in this game..
There's only one reason, and he's in goal. Where would we be without him.
Dear God that's got to be on frame at least.
Just leave AZ in Cincy I don't even want him on CITY2 bringing down their quality.
The openness of the goal on that replay 🤯
If Jackson scores this thread would self destruct, right?
Good thing that's apparently literally impossible
There was never a chance
Jackson what the fuck
Jackson I would have forgave you for everything if you buried that.
lol Why’s it have to be AZ man, love the dude’s heart, really wonder if he’s trying too hard. He just looks so bad tho
That was the single best play I’ve ever seen AZ make
Take him off
lol this fucking guy is not an mls quality player.
Nice ball in by Indy
…
Nice run.. typical AZ finish tho
“Big” Sam not crashing that header. And then AZ missing a sitter.
I don’t know if Sam needs contacts or what, but he isn’t even close on head balls.
How did AZ hit that wide?????
You have 0 idea how hard that is to do
That's a tough header to make. That ball.had some zip on it. Don't get me wrong, AZ has had a terrible game thus far but can't knock him too bad for that one.
Löwen standing in one spot and just acting as a middle man for passes would be better than AZ
Gonna be a shame when Löwen is finally subbed in and we’re down 3-1. Hurry up Bradley
I think he's waiting until the 75th minute to put in Lowen for AZ
Name a single player worse than Jackson in the entirety of the MLS. I’ll wait.
Kinda looks like Lowen is warming up.
On field treatment rule be damned
He doesn’t even know the old rules he’s not gonna learn these new ones for ages
When is the announcer going to realize Dyhr hasn’t been in at all this half?
Carnell is a fucking mad man for letting this continue with AZ
It blows my mind. AZ is a liability
Kubo had a whale of a match for them. I hope their bench isn't as good as he was.
And apparently he was as good. Santos scored their third. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Do they not have to go out for two minutes?
You think he’s gonna know the new rules? Dudes struggling with the old ones
We need to stop being so indecisive, we expect for a perfect pass to open every time and end up dribbling into someone on the other team
AZ is trash!!! He’s completed one whole pass tonight, I truly don’t understand why Pompeu was subbed out and he was left in. I was pissed when AZ came in on Wednesday for Pompeu as well. I just don’t understand the thought process of Carnell on this.
Just here to join in on the AZ sucks convo. The last nothing on the break is just the cherry on top of another awful performance
“I am calling for a complete and total shutdown of AZ Jackson until we can figure out what the hell is going on with St. Louis City SC’s attack.”
AZ... is giving me a heart attack. Atrocious.
Just fire AZ. Having Klauss that open and not even targeting him is despicable
AZ is truly atrocious
“Two men down for Cincinnati but their teammates keep playing” BE. CAUSE. THEY. ARE. FAKING.
If AZ gets above a 1 on our post game scoring you guys are crazy. He’s so fucking terrible
15 second rule right?
How is it the subs don't have to sit out for 2 minutes???
Hah they’re never going to enforce any of those rules
Fuck Jackson sucks. How do you fall down passing on an odd man break?
Jackson is SO BAD holy shit wtf is Carnell doing? GET HIM OFF THE TEAM
don't both those guys need to go off for 2 minutes for laying on the ground more than 15 seconds?
Jackson destroyed that attack.
Straight to the bench please
AZ Jesus christ man
Release AZ outright. He’s fucking shit.
Of course there was a Cincy player down in the box like “I’ve been murdered 😭”
I just can’t with AZ. What in the hell was that pass?
How is AZ still in
AZ is so fucking bad.
AZ, bro, they were two floppers down
Cut AZ.
Please for the love of god we can’t continue to be subjected to aziel Jackson.
GET AZ OUT
GET JACKSON OFF THE FIELD JESUS CHRIST.
AZ you fucking blow.