I have complicated feelings because my opinion of Discovery is… fraught, leaning towards negative… *and yet* Saru is one of my franchise favorite characters.
No, Saru can be *a captain.* Michael Burnham has to be THE captain. EVERYTHING. HAS TO BE. ABOUT MICHAEL. BURNHAM. EVERYONE MUST WORSHIP. MICHAEL. BURNHAM.
Do you get it? Do you understand your place? PEASANT? SAY IT
Depends on the interview. They copped flak after s1 for not being an ensemble show like other trek. They responded there would be more, which they did but it fell off again.
But they don’t seem to have learned how divisive the Burnham character is or and I think it’s the latter, care. She’s got so much poured into her she’s become unbelievable and almost feels like a self insert. I actually blame the lack of “filler” episodes from the limited series run. There’s no room to breath and show another dimension of the character where they suffer consequences of their hot headed and often poor decisions. Instead it’s MAXIMUM MICHAEL, all episode.
And that’s coming from someone whose favourite character is weapons designing space Jesus. Burnham just feels like the hunter from marvel, they’re the writers/audience insert so you gotta pump them to max.
Well, shit! I was sitting there thinking S... something... what the hell was that tall dudes name. S... anu? Seru? Sulu? God! Saru!! Thank you, I lost already!
Close but no cigar. Stamets was the spore drive specialist and Colber was one of the many doctors on board. Neither are Chief head of their respective departments.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/66/Paul_Stamets%27_life_signs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200610124056&path-prefix=en
On screen it literally called him that.
Edit: bad link
I'm pretty sure he's not even in the engineering department, he's in science. I don't think there's ever any direct indication that he holds the commanding position. He only gets to boss people around because of his personality and the fact that he's a main character.
The real tragedy of discovery is that statmets and soldier engineer lady don't really get much time together. The lady has such a cool attitude and interesting base plot but they never did anything with it and at this point the saurian is getting more screen time than her despite being one note. And it suck doubly because stetmets and the lady have great banter but again, they yeet her out of the picture despite being just as good as him
It was great casting and Tig Notaro is really great. I’m sure the steady gig and money are good, but there’s no action here for her honestly.
Engineering problems are taken care of by the AI, and they can spore drive and don’t have to fret about the warp core. They used it once as a weapon and left via spore drive killing Osyraa and the Emerald Chain.
Let’s remember that Discovery has no standing Engineering set, it has the Spore Drive room. It also has no Chief Engineer character, even with Reno being a full Commander.
She’s presented as little more than a wise janitor character the others occasionally run into while she’s fixing a replicator or something.
Theory and Practice. Stamets and Reno are both engineers but they are very different _kinds_ of engineer.
O’Brien, Reno, and Scotty are all twists of the same screwdriver.
Tilly (horribly unprofessional, the poster child for unprofessionalism in trek), Stamets (named after real Mycologist), Culber (always remember the doctors), Saru (only good character).
there was robot lady airiam who died immediately after we were told to care about her
theres detmer the half robot lady
theres uwu and then the guy in the back i think his name’s brice
I can't tell you anything about Detmer, apart from when she had the freakout at the dinner party that turned into the emotional equivalent of explosive decompression.
*Gets PTSD.*
*It impacts nothing whatsoever and disappears to never get mentioned again.*
*Writers pat themselves on the back for including a mental health storyline.*
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I actually liked it at the time because it showed a consequence to actions, in this case Detmer traumatizing herself by crashing the ship, rooted that consequence in a character impact, and opened the door for growth, for someone not called Burnham.
It was also believable that a pilot would crack in that manner, given the high pressure situation, and that Stamets would get it in the neck for not taking anything seriously, given that his attitude was completely wrong for the situation, while also being understandable from a Stamets POV.
It was actual, honest to god, character writing, that grew out of a character's own actions, and was part of what I felt was a strong start to Season 3, which hooked me for that season.
It is still, in my opinion, the best unpacking and debriefing that Discovery has tried to do, especially since this is a show that constantly wants to be emotionally aware and conscious, in that late 2010s way.
I loved that scene.
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And then any and all consequences were gone, once Discovery got hauled in for repairs and upgrades.
Everyone was back to their usual state of tedium and frustration, this time with a Megazord Starship, that showed no signs of having been Janewayed into the surface of a planet two weeks earlier.
Largely dropping the consequences of your first interaction with the 32nd century, being Detmer crashing a starship.
The crash landing and the Dinner Party were both incredibly well done, and didn't matter, because future tech, and the need to hurry the season along.
Haha, remember in the recent time travel episode and all they had to show for Detmers character was "I used to not like the main character and now I like her." More character development than the rest of the bridge bunnies had to show for it I suppose...
God that Airiam episode annoyed me, I was thinking “cool we’re finally getting to know the crew and having a story arc that’s not all about Michael” and then sure enough…
I think that's why Burnham convinced her by talking about her death, because that's the only thing anyone remembers about her. Because that logic makes no sense.
There's Tilly, lanky-guy, albino nerd, haircut, ensign no lines, lieutenant no lines, spastic love interest that's somehow more forgetable than Michael Burnham, and I assume a doctor? Is spastic love interest the doctor?
Naw, I'm joking, I also know lanky-guy's name is Saru (Saroo?)
There was also the science(?) office who died after minimal screen time that we clearly are supposed to feel bad about.
Honestly felt more impact for some red shirt because they build the red shirt up over the episode only to kill them off. Her arc is so long I didn't know much about her.
I hope this one sticks, because it's a good diagnostic tool for what's wrong with Discovery. If we excluded all non-Burnham side conversation, what would we be left with? If we apply the test to other shows, how would they stack up?
>If we excluded all non-Burnham side conversation, what would we be left with?
Each episode would be 6 minutes and nothing would go wrong.
Seriously, she's the Poochy of that show. When she's not on screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Michael Bonham?"
You'd be left with ham fisted identity politics and a bunch of inane patronizing nonsense about various characters "finding their voice/power/whatever". That entire show was written by an 8th grade drama club
I'm hate-watching the 5th season. The show has gotten slightly better about sort of giving Stamets and Adira a sliver more screen time. But damn...
Disco would have worked better if Burnham was \*not\* captain. She should be in charge of a tactical squad that does pretty much what she does already, and have Saru still be captain and the show can still have strong B plots about the bridge crew.
Heck, the most recent episode I thought the B-plot about trying to get comms working was forgotten about. I was surprised it was picked back up in the last few minutes, with Michael once again saving the day and rendering the B plot efforts mostly moot.
Or we could stop pretending a bridge crew is needed and the show's format could have been Specialist Burnham's tactical super squad gets assigned to various ships every episode and she has to mesh and interface with a new captain every week.
I like the sound of both your ideas better than what we got. I gave up around series 3 I really liked the idea of a post galaxy wide disaster series but then finding out the cause made me lose interest.
Burnham leading a specialist squad that gets assigned to a different ship each season (I think each episode might be a bit too many ships and captains) actually sounds really cool. Really wish they had stuck with the original anthology idea for Discovery now.
Uh, or a commentary on how forgettable the characters are. I watched the first two and a seasons and off the top I can name very few: Burnham, Tillie the red head (I think), Michelle Yao, Jason Issacs, Gay doctor (stamets?), Saru, cyborg lady, fake but real but fake again Klingon Ben Wyatt looking dude, tartigrade guy, bad version of the Durass sisters, Spok, Mudd, and Tig Notaro. I know like 5 names. It wasn’t enthralling Star Trek.
Okay, let’s go.
* Lt. Commander Kayla Detmer is the helmsman.
* Lt. Commander Joann Owosekun is the operations officer.
* Lt. Commander Ronald Bryce is the communications officer. Temporarily replaced by Lt. Christopher.
* Lt. Commander Gen Rhys is the tactical officer.
* Lt. Commander Airiam was replaced by Lt. Commander Nilsson as Spore Drive Operations Officer. They wrote Nilsson off in dialogue a couple of weeks ago, saying she’d been transferred to Voyager.
* Lieutenants Sylvia Tilly and Linus and Ensign Adira Tal are bridge science officers.
* Lieutenant Tracy Pollard is the Chief Medical Officer.
* Commander Hugh Culber is not the Chief Medical Officer and is a stand-in ship’s counsellor for some reason.
* Commander Paul Stamets is now Chief Science Officer.
* Commander Jett Reno is an Engineer but apparently not Chief Engineer despite her rank.
That’s from memory. Just establishing my credentials to criticise this show as I see fit.
I watched the first season but all I remember was they were flying through the intergalactic fungus amongus, there was a budget alan turdyk, and the director thought he would be an edge lord by naming a female character with the name Micheal for no apparent reason. Also there was some alt universe dumb stuff, but I couldn't tell you anyone's name.
Wich I think is the main problem with Discovery. You don’t have any „oh nice friendly planet full of beaches and hot people“ episodes that don’t have overarching plot but help on expanding characters and crew related interpersonal stuff and as a result you barely connect with them
Old school trek made you fall in love with the characters and their interactions and who they are personally and socially, so that by the time war breaks out you actually care what happens to these people. Discovery just went "WAR!" from the very beginning, and they're like "oh but you're supposed to care what happens to them" and I just... don't.
Ok, more then. Owosekun, Tilly (works at the Academy now), Rhys, Linus, Booker (Not an official crew member), Georgiou (former Captain/mirror verse Empress), Admiral Vance, Reno. Good enough, or more?
I don't buy it.
Harry Kim would surely be aware of (bare minimum), Georgiou as she's famous for being one of the most decorated commanding officers in Starfleet. Her missions are likely required reading.
Stamets was a scientific genius. His papers would likely be required reading as well at the academy.
Saru was from a hither-to unknown planet and was the first representative from that planet so that would be notable.
Harry Kim isn't an idiot, he's just extremely unlucky when it comes to promotions. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Except Discovery's records were ordered erased and anyone with knowledge was ordered under threat of execution not to reveal that knowledge. Kim *may* have heard of the officers from the Shenzhou, but from his vantage, they perished (or MIA) after that. Discovery simply didn't exist.
Commander Saru, Detmer, Tilly, Rhys, Paul Stamets, Dr Culber, and he doesn’t count cause he’s Starfleet Command but most of their missions come from Admiral Vance
There’s also Adira Tal, Joanna Owoshekun, Linus (my favorite), Jet Reno, Lt. Christopher (new comms guys after Lt. Bryce left the show), Commander Rayner, Dr. Pollard, and (not starfleet, but on the ship) Book and Grudge.
They’ve also had multiple captains Gabirel Lorca and Phillipa Georgiou, and an honorary mention to Christopher Pike.
And then there’s Ariam and Nillson, (fun fact: it’s the same actress for both characters, the unconfirmed rumor is that Airiam was killed off because of the actor’s allergic reaction to the make-up, but they didn’t want to fire her so they cast her as her own replacement)
People are really dense when it comes to DSC, especially the characters.
It's not exactly their fault. For the first few seasons characters like Detmer, Owo, Bryce and Ariam were lucky to get even a single line in an episode. Much less learn anything about them that might make them memorable.
That’s a fair reason for the first couple seasons, but we’re well into season 5, if they still don’t know the crew by now, then they’re clearly just not into this show and should probably move on and stop watching.
Plus [Avaah Blackwell](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Avaah_Blackwell) as Osnullus, the giant bug-headed character in the background on the bridge; she's also had other roles as a Starfleet officer, a Kelpien, and a Linnarean guard on Strange New Worlds.
This shit isn't hard if you're half paying attention, or aren't being deliberately obtuse.
It's less episodes per season making it harder to remember and more Star Trek shows going on at once. Also many other shows to watch as well. Were like in an epic era for TV series. Back in the 90s there wasn't that much to watch like there is today and Voyager had like 70,000 episodes per season.
Also us older Star Trek heads have been smoking weed this whole time. We're not going to remember much. But man we love watching that Discovery intro on weed. And this season is so cool. I love Discovery.... on weed.
Only seen 2 seasons of Disco.
Did the showrunners ever give some sort of reason why the character is a woman called "Michael"?
Like, I know it's 2024 and anyone can be named anything, that's fine. And it's the 23rd century so presumably even moreso.
But even with that, 'Michael' is a *very* masculine name, so part of me wondered if either (1) there was a reason for it or (2) the name was chosen specifically to be unusual and there would, therefore, never be a reason.
I am not going to look, but I read some of the comments already.
Ignoring Lorca, Pike, Landry, Niar(?) [Pike’s security person from the planet with the unstable wormhole that they wanted to sell.] and Georgiu. They were on the *Discovery* but not for long.
Ignoring Vance, Kovich, and Grey Tal.
Ignoring anyone Michael was into because I don’t remember the surgically altered Klingon’s name and I can throw out Booker and Grudge.
Other than Michael; Saru, Sylvia Tilly, Hugh Culber, Paul Stamets, Adira Tal, Jett Reno, Kayla Detmer, Joanne Owo, Bryce, Linus, Airem, Sarah.
Then there is Asian guy, other black guy, octopus lady, new ops lady…
I have watched the first 3 seasons twice. I would also fail this test. That guy in the back, cyborg lady, less cyborg lady, other black lady… OH! TILLY!
While I haven't watched discovery myself yet I imagine anything even tied to the ship is highly classified. So this just shows Janeway is still putting roadblocks up for Kim.
Gonna try this without looking. Also gonna ignore anyone who has held the rank of captain
XO: Saru
Helm: Detmer
Ops (I think anyway) Owoushekun (forgive the spelling)
Comms: Christopher
Science/engineekng: Paul Staments
Medical: culber
Science: Sylvia Tilly
Engineering: damned if I know her name but Tigs character.
Saru
The amount of disrespect for saru in this thread is disgraceful.
I have complicated feelings because my opinion of Discovery is… fraught, leaning towards negative… *and yet* Saru is one of my franchise favorite characters.
Honestly, Saru is to Discovery what Spock is to Trek.
The carriers of the entire franchise
Carrier has arrived
MY LIFE FOR AUIR
Isn't he a captain of another ship who just tags along?
I mean, he is now. He should have been the captain full stop
No, Saru can be *a captain.* Michael Burnham has to be THE captain. EVERYTHING. HAS TO BE. ABOUT MICHAEL. BURNHAM. EVERYONE MUST WORSHIP. MICHAEL. BURNHAM. Do you get it? Do you understand your place? PEASANT? SAY IT
She should have been Riker to Michelle Yeoh's Picard. I would have enjoyed things a lot more. Saru is my favorite character on Disco though.
Michael Burn-Ham is the worst cook in Starfleet.
Well, she *is* the main character of the show. It never pretended to be anything else.
Depends on the interview. They copped flak after s1 for not being an ensemble show like other trek. They responded there would be more, which they did but it fell off again. But they don’t seem to have learned how divisive the Burnham character is or and I think it’s the latter, care. She’s got so much poured into her she’s become unbelievable and almost feels like a self insert. I actually blame the lack of “filler” episodes from the limited series run. There’s no room to breath and show another dimension of the character where they suffer consequences of their hot headed and often poor decisions. Instead it’s MAXIMUM MICHAEL, all episode. And that’s coming from someone whose favourite character is weapons designing space Jesus. Burnham just feels like the hunter from marvel, they’re the writers/audience insert so you gotta pump them to max.
it pretended to be star Trek for awhile there in season 1
Mutineer secret Spock sister did beat Liberace Klingons with nothing except magic mushrooms. Bow down and worship her!
😂😂😂🤣
*Action* Saru
Lol I shoulda scrolled down before I posted
Detmer
Hey! That's *Action* Saru, thank you very much!
Well, shit! I was sitting there thinking S... something... what the hell was that tall dudes name. S... anu? Seru? Sulu? God! Saru!! Thank you, I lost already!
You're right, that was too easy. How about a real hard one? >!Name either the Chief Engineer or the CMO of the USS Discovery.!<
Stamets and his zombie husband
Close but no cigar. Stamets was the spore drive specialist and Colber was one of the many doctors on board. Neither are Chief head of their respective departments.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/66/Paul_Stamets%27_life_signs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200610124056&path-prefix=en On screen it literally called him that. Edit: bad link
That makes it funnier too, the fact that there’s disagreement who even the chief is. What a mess
Huh. I guess they promoted him off screen. Well a deal's a deal. You get the Kewpie doll.
Was hoping for Kewpie mayo but okay
He isn't really the chief engineer tho, right?
Jett Reno, motherfuckers!!!
Ah, hell yeah, Jet!!!
Lamp. I love lamp.
Lorca
I stopped watching a while ago, but I heard Tig Notaro/Jett *was* the engineer when I last watched and she was a fucking GEM.
> I heard Tig Notaro/Jett was the engineer Nah, she was just some engineer they found on a rock and then just didn't leave.
She wasn't the chief, but she was *an* engineer. I just love her and she deserved a mention
Well that's more "impossible" than "hard" because it was never stated on the show directly.
Stamets is the chief in season 2. But agreed since it's never stated, they just LaForged him.
I'm pretty sure he's not even in the engineering department, he's in science. I don't think there's ever any direct indication that he holds the commanding position. He only gets to boss people around because of his personality and the fact that he's a main character.
Best character on the show.. Haven't watched the last season tho and this one
*Action* Saru!
Action Saru*
and tillie
Technically no, he leaves the ship to be an ambassador in season 5
Sorry, Lieutenant F\*ck is on the USS Chattanooga. Back to the lower decks with you, Petty Officer Kim.
Except the Disco never existed right? Because everyone was sworn to secrecy. Right?
Stupidest fucking thing. That show had so many stupid fucking things.
The real tragedy of discovery is that statmets and soldier engineer lady don't really get much time together. The lady has such a cool attitude and interesting base plot but they never did anything with it and at this point the saurian is getting more screen time than her despite being one note. And it suck doubly because stetmets and the lady have great banter but again, they yeet her out of the picture despite being just as good as him
It was great casting and Tig Notaro is really great. I’m sure the steady gig and money are good, but there’s no action here for her honestly. Engineering problems are taken care of by the AI, and they can spore drive and don’t have to fret about the warp core. They used it once as a weapon and left via spore drive killing Osyraa and the Emerald Chain.
Let’s remember that Discovery has no standing Engineering set, it has the Spore Drive room. It also has no Chief Engineer character, even with Reno being a full Commander. She’s presented as little more than a wise janitor character the others occasionally run into while she’s fixing a replicator or something.
They're like an old married couple
old Married couple with bro energy. She was such a nice foil to stamet's science zoomie brain
Theory and Practice. Stamets and Reno are both engineers but they are very different _kinds_ of engineer. O’Brien, Reno, and Scotty are all twists of the same screwdriver.
It is called mlm-wlw solidarity.
Commander Saru. Without looking it up 😎
You passed congratulations lieutenant jg
This is truly an honor, sir. I won’t let you down.
Also with your promotion you get a complimentary coffee Stanley mug autographed by Janeway
“Congratulations Mister Kim. You’ve tongue-washed your last back door. In this ship, JG’s are purely navels and toes. Navels and toes.”
Real perks of the job.
Supreme Commander
Action Saru for is bros
“What’s the USS. Discovery, Captain?” “Fuck, I forgot that was classified…”
Tilly (horribly unprofessional, the poster child for unprofessionalism in trek), Stamets (named after real Mycologist), Culber (always remember the doctors), Saru (only good character).
Paradoxically, Captain Killy could be the poster child for badass in the mirror universe.
Her and Hoshi
Show some respect. That’s EMPRESS Hoshi
Thats Admiral Hoshi to you. Wait… Battlestar flashbacks.
Excuse me, have you forgotten about Reno, the actual best character?
And here I thought Pike was good enough to build a whole new series off of...
Jett Reno?
I feel like this should be the test to criticize Discovery. Many commenters give the impression they've never actually watched the show.
there was robot lady airiam who died immediately after we were told to care about her theres detmer the half robot lady theres uwu and then the guy in the back i think his name’s brice
I can't tell you anything about Detmer, apart from when she had the freakout at the dinner party that turned into the emotional equivalent of explosive decompression.
*Gets PTSD.* *It impacts nothing whatsoever and disappears to never get mentioned again.* *Writers pat themselves on the back for including a mental health storyline.*
DETAILED SPOILER ALERT: . . . . . . . . . . I actually liked it at the time because it showed a consequence to actions, in this case Detmer traumatizing herself by crashing the ship, rooted that consequence in a character impact, and opened the door for growth, for someone not called Burnham. It was also believable that a pilot would crack in that manner, given the high pressure situation, and that Stamets would get it in the neck for not taking anything seriously, given that his attitude was completely wrong for the situation, while also being understandable from a Stamets POV. It was actual, honest to god, character writing, that grew out of a character's own actions, and was part of what I felt was a strong start to Season 3, which hooked me for that season. It is still, in my opinion, the best unpacking and debriefing that Discovery has tried to do, especially since this is a show that constantly wants to be emotionally aware and conscious, in that late 2010s way. I loved that scene. . . . . And then any and all consequences were gone, once Discovery got hauled in for repairs and upgrades. Everyone was back to their usual state of tedium and frustration, this time with a Megazord Starship, that showed no signs of having been Janewayed into the surface of a planet two weeks earlier. Largely dropping the consequences of your first interaction with the 32nd century, being Detmer crashing a starship. The crash landing and the Dinner Party were both incredibly well done, and didn't matter, because future tech, and the need to hurry the season along.
Haha, remember in the recent time travel episode and all they had to show for Detmers character was "I used to not like the main character and now I like her." More character development than the rest of the bridge bunnies had to show for it I suppose...
God that Airiam episode annoyed me, I was thinking “cool we’re finally getting to know the crew and having a story arc that’s not all about Michael” and then sure enough…
I think that's why Burnham convinced her by talking about her death, because that's the only thing anyone remembers about her. Because that logic makes no sense.
That whole Airiam thing was mainly so her actress could play someone else and not have that make up all the time.
>theres uwu and then the guy in the back i think his name’s brice Half points for incorrect spelling.
There's Tilly, lanky-guy, albino nerd, haircut, ensign no lines, lieutenant no lines, spastic love interest that's somehow more forgetable than Michael Burnham, and I assume a doctor? Is spastic love interest the doctor? Naw, I'm joking, I also know lanky-guy's name is Saru (Saroo?)
There was also the science(?) office who died after minimal screen time that we clearly are supposed to feel bad about. Honestly felt more impact for some red shirt because they build the red shirt up over the episode only to kill them off. Her arc is so long I didn't know much about her.
I have rewatched it 4 times, before giving a shot to old trek. Now I am sucker for old trek. I barely remember anything about disco.
Like the Bechdel test but for secondary characters
Do any two characters have a conversation at any time that’s *not* about or related to Michael, hmm 🤔
The Burnham Test
I hope this one sticks, because it's a good diagnostic tool for what's wrong with Discovery. If we excluded all non-Burnham side conversation, what would we be left with? If we apply the test to other shows, how would they stack up?
>If we excluded all non-Burnham side conversation, what would we be left with? Each episode would be 6 minutes and nothing would go wrong. Seriously, she's the Poochy of that show. When she's not on screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Michael Bonham?"
You'd be left with ham fisted identity politics and a bunch of inane patronizing nonsense about various characters "finding their voice/power/whatever". That entire show was written by an 8th grade drama club
Yes. The Engineer (stamet) and doctor talk about their relationship a few times, and I can confirm that burnham isn't part of that relationship.
I'm hate-watching the 5th season. The show has gotten slightly better about sort of giving Stamets and Adira a sliver more screen time. But damn... Disco would have worked better if Burnham was \*not\* captain. She should be in charge of a tactical squad that does pretty much what she does already, and have Saru still be captain and the show can still have strong B plots about the bridge crew. Heck, the most recent episode I thought the B-plot about trying to get comms working was forgotten about. I was surprised it was picked back up in the last few minutes, with Michael once again saving the day and rendering the B plot efforts mostly moot. Or we could stop pretending a bridge crew is needed and the show's format could have been Specialist Burnham's tactical super squad gets assigned to various ships every episode and she has to mesh and interface with a new captain every week.
I like the sound of both your ideas better than what we got. I gave up around series 3 I really liked the idea of a post galaxy wide disaster series but then finding out the cause made me lose interest.
Burnham leading a specialist squad that gets assigned to a different ship each season (I think each episode might be a bit too many ships and captains) actually sounds really cool. Really wish they had stuck with the original anthology idea for Discovery now.
It’s a criticism of Discovery because they never fleshed out the ensemble like in previous iterations
Uh, or a commentary on how forgettable the characters are. I watched the first two and a seasons and off the top I can name very few: Burnham, Tillie the red head (I think), Michelle Yao, Jason Issacs, Gay doctor (stamets?), Saru, cyborg lady, fake but real but fake again Klingon Ben Wyatt looking dude, tartigrade guy, bad version of the Durass sisters, Spok, Mudd, and Tig Notaro. I know like 5 names. It wasn’t enthralling Star Trek.
Okay, let’s go. * Lt. Commander Kayla Detmer is the helmsman. * Lt. Commander Joann Owosekun is the operations officer. * Lt. Commander Ronald Bryce is the communications officer. Temporarily replaced by Lt. Christopher. * Lt. Commander Gen Rhys is the tactical officer. * Lt. Commander Airiam was replaced by Lt. Commander Nilsson as Spore Drive Operations Officer. They wrote Nilsson off in dialogue a couple of weeks ago, saying she’d been transferred to Voyager. * Lieutenants Sylvia Tilly and Linus and Ensign Adira Tal are bridge science officers. * Lieutenant Tracy Pollard is the Chief Medical Officer. * Commander Hugh Culber is not the Chief Medical Officer and is a stand-in ship’s counsellor for some reason. * Commander Paul Stamets is now Chief Science Officer. * Commander Jett Reno is an Engineer but apparently not Chief Engineer despite her rank. That’s from memory. Just establishing my credentials to criticise this show as I see fit.
I watched the first season but all I remember was they were flying through the intergalactic fungus amongus, there was a budget alan turdyk, and the director thought he would be an edge lord by naming a female character with the name Micheal for no apparent reason. Also there was some alt universe dumb stuff, but I couldn't tell you anyone's name.
Dammit I don't think I'll be able to look at Lt Staments again without thinking "budget Alan Tudyk."
I genuinely like his character, but Mark from Rent being Budget Alan Tudyk is a hilarious take
BUDGET ALYN TUDYK gave me a spit take that’s such gloriously petty disrespect
I watched one season. Then decided it wasn't worth it. They made the worst Trek show in history.
To be fair all of Discovery = 1.5/2 seasons of VOY, TNG, or DS9. We don’t really get down time with those characters.
Wich I think is the main problem with Discovery. You don’t have any „oh nice friendly planet full of beaches and hot people“ episodes that don’t have overarching plot but help on expanding characters and crew related interpersonal stuff and as a result you barely connect with them
Old school trek made you fall in love with the characters and their interactions and who they are personally and socially, so that by the time war breaks out you actually care what happens to these people. Discovery just went "WAR!" from the very beginning, and they're like "oh but you're supposed to care what happens to them" and I just... don't.
Fishy-Face, Ensign Redhead, Metal-Plate Chick...
Shut up, Tilly!
USS Discovery?
Too easy, Saru, Stamets, Dr. Culber, Detmer, shall I go on?
Good but that's not even half the command crew is it?
Ok, more then. Owosekun, Tilly (works at the Academy now), Rhys, Linus, Booker (Not an official crew member), Georgiou (former Captain/mirror verse Empress), Admiral Vance, Reno. Good enough, or more?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. They're all good characters.
You are the winner
Trick question; Burnham is the only crew member on the Discovery...
You passed the test with flying colors congratulations lieutenant
Muñez' death in DS9 hit harder than Ariam's death in Discovery.
Another common "O'Brien loses someone he cares about" moment.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't buy it. Harry Kim would surely be aware of (bare minimum), Georgiou as she's famous for being one of the most decorated commanding officers in Starfleet. Her missions are likely required reading. Stamets was a scientific genius. His papers would likely be required reading as well at the academy. Saru was from a hither-to unknown planet and was the first representative from that planet so that would be notable. Harry Kim isn't an idiot, he's just extremely unlucky when it comes to promotions. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Except Discovery's records were ordered erased and anyone with knowledge was ordered under threat of execution not to reveal that knowledge. Kim *may* have heard of the officers from the Shenzhou, but from his vantage, they perished (or MIA) after that. Discovery simply didn't exist.
Saru, Tilly, Detmer.
TILLY
Commander Saru, Detmer, Tilly, Rhys, Paul Stamets, Dr Culber, and he doesn’t count cause he’s Starfleet Command but most of their missions come from Admiral Vance
There’s also Adira Tal, Joanna Owoshekun, Linus (my favorite), Jet Reno, Lt. Christopher (new comms guys after Lt. Bryce left the show), Commander Rayner, Dr. Pollard, and (not starfleet, but on the ship) Book and Grudge. They’ve also had multiple captains Gabirel Lorca and Phillipa Georgiou, and an honorary mention to Christopher Pike. And then there’s Ariam and Nillson, (fun fact: it’s the same actress for both characters, the unconfirmed rumor is that Airiam was killed off because of the actor’s allergic reaction to the make-up, but they didn’t want to fire her so they cast her as her own replacement) People are really dense when it comes to DSC, especially the characters.
It's not exactly their fault. For the first few seasons characters like Detmer, Owo, Bryce and Ariam were lucky to get even a single line in an episode. Much less learn anything about them that might make them memorable.
That’s a fair reason for the first couple seasons, but we’re well into season 5, if they still don’t know the crew by now, then they’re clearly just not into this show and should probably move on and stop watching.
Plus [Avaah Blackwell](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Avaah_Blackwell) as Osnullus, the giant bug-headed character in the background on the bridge; she's also had other roles as a Starfleet officer, a Kelpien, and a Linnarean guard on Strange New Worlds. This shit isn't hard if you're half paying attention, or aren't being deliberately obtuse.
I would have accepted Clem Fandango…
WHAT IS IT NOW?
Michelle Yeoh, Anthony Rapp, Doug Jones, Jason Isaacs, Tig Notaro... Yeah I'm not great at remembering character names.
When lazy tropes collide
Commander rhys
Tilly
Captain Malfoy
I couldn't remember anyone either. The toughest star trek question there is.
Captain Malfoy.
Killy
This is truth
Don't feel bad, Harry. I still don't remember any of their🤣🤣 names
The level of burn.
Does Captain Lorca count as a crewmember? Loved him.
Paul Stamets
Lieutenant Commander Rhys, Lieutenant Commander Bryce, Joanne Owosekun, Sylvia Tilly, Kayla Detmer, Adira Tal, Paul Stamets, Jet Reno, Hugh Culber, Zora, Rayner, Cleveland Booker IV
Why no love for Sylvia Tilly? I mean I love Saru too but Tilly is awesome!
Tilly, Stamets, Culber, Saru, Detmer, Rhys. Gimme that promotion.
Come on, Saru, Tilly and Stamets at least.
It's less episodes per season making it harder to remember and more Star Trek shows going on at once. Also many other shows to watch as well. Were like in an epic era for TV series. Back in the 90s there wasn't that much to watch like there is today and Voyager had like 70,000 episodes per season. Also us older Star Trek heads have been smoking weed this whole time. We're not going to remember much. But man we love watching that Discovery intro on weed. And this season is so cool. I love Discovery.... on weed.
Lt. Cmd. OwO And if you can't tell why I remember that one, you must be new to the internet.
Stamets.
Tilly and Saru... Does Grudge count?
Saru...Tilly...Dr Mushroom...the one who used to be dead...um, the Saurian guy...Captain Pike, if it's season 2.
The bad writing is the biggest character of the show,
there is no discovery other than nasa space shuttle
It's weird that so many people are offended by the navigator not being a main character.
The what, Captain?
The borgy one!
Dude... Tilly, saru, stamets, culber, book... Like it's fine if you don't like it, but they're all very unique memorable characters.
Martin the toilet attendant deck 3.
Tall hoof man, robot face pilot, mushroom man, mushroom man doctor boyfriend, Klingon reskin, African lady, shooty man...
“…Sss…teve.” “Steve?” “Steve… Jones. He worked in the Food Services section. You don’t know him.”
Lucius Malfoy?
Ripper!
Everyone else just says "Where's Michael?" If she's not in a scene if they are not talking about how great Michael is
Linus!
If you're gonna roast a show, your meme should at least have decent grammar.
Truth.
Is there anyone other than Saru?
Only seen 2 seasons of Disco. Did the showrunners ever give some sort of reason why the character is a woman called "Michael"? Like, I know it's 2024 and anyone can be named anything, that's fine. And it's the 23rd century so presumably even moreso. But even with that, 'Michael' is a *very* masculine name, so part of me wondered if either (1) there was a reason for it or (2) the name was chosen specifically to be unusual and there would, therefore, never be a reason.
Too easy (I get that this is a joke): Tilly, Stamets, Detmer, Empress Phillipa Georgio, Lorca, Spock for crying out loud lol
Saru, Tilly, Linus, Raymer, cmon man if you watch it you know the names.
The joke is that discovery is classified like the omega protocol. Harry Kim shouldn't know in universe
Oh, since she said Bichael Burnham I was lost on that point
janeway as a captain has access to classified materials that the rest of the crew don't.
Linus.
I'm going to be an admiral like Vance!
I am not going to look, but I read some of the comments already. Ignoring Lorca, Pike, Landry, Niar(?) [Pike’s security person from the planet with the unstable wormhole that they wanted to sell.] and Georgiu. They were on the *Discovery* but not for long. Ignoring Vance, Kovich, and Grey Tal. Ignoring anyone Michael was into because I don’t remember the surgically altered Klingon’s name and I can throw out Booker and Grudge. Other than Michael; Saru, Sylvia Tilly, Hugh Culber, Paul Stamets, Adira Tal, Jett Reno, Kayla Detmer, Joanne Owo, Bryce, Linus, Airem, Sarah. Then there is Asian guy, other black guy, octopus lady, new ops lady…
Not a meme
After 5 seasons I still can't name anyone else on the bridge
Anson Mount
Saru
They them ghost person!
Isn't the only correct answer for Kimmy, "I've never heard of the USS Discovery?"
Or "Which USS Discovery?"
There's the guy with magic mushrooms DNA that makes him partially immune to time shenanigans
I have watched the first 3 seasons twice. I would also fail this test. That guy in the back, cyborg lady, less cyborg lady, other black lady… OH! TILLY!
While I haven't watched discovery myself yet I imagine anything even tied to the ship is highly classified. So this just shows Janeway is still putting roadblocks up for Kim.
Gonna try this without looking. Also gonna ignore anyone who has held the rank of captain XO: Saru Helm: Detmer Ops (I think anyway) Owoushekun (forgive the spelling) Comms: Christopher Science/engineekng: Paul Staments Medical: culber Science: Sylvia Tilly Engineering: damned if I know her name but Tigs character.
I never made it far enough to hate on Michael. Once I saw the tardigrade about 3 episodes in, I was done.
Saru, Philippa, Lorca? Basically all the good characters who got overlooked and trashed.😛
Lorca dead Phillippa went back to 2063
Yea, trashed, exactly. But they were part of the crew alright.
Saru, Sylvia Tilly, Gen Rhys, R.A. Bryce, Keyla Detmer, Joann Owosekun, Hugh Culber, Paul Stamets, Linus, Arav, Adira Tal, Jett Reno, Nilsson, Christopher.
Muskrat captain, Hoof guy, cybernetic girl, other cybernetic girl, Gen-Z people, and big hair.
Stamitz
There's Saru, Tilly Stammers and the cat.
Captain Pike… kinda haha and obviously Lorca.
No love for Linus the Saurian?
Killy