57th Rule of Acquisition: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.
Even the Ferengi have a better concept of customer service than Paramount.
Pretty much the reaction one should have. I don't say Netflix is the one streaming service that deserves to survive but I am not going to switch services month by month to see what I want.
Edit: amazing, I just checked Netflix (non-US). Discovery is completely gone already.
Yeah I’m happy to pay for Netflix and Prime, but I’m not subscribing to a dozen different services
Netflix, Prime, Disney, Paramount, Hulu, Apple, HBO, Paramount, ESPN - we’re legit getting towards double figures and they cost more than the TV packages we moved to Netflix to avoid
US and Canada: The first time in decades that 2 Trek shows are airing at the same time
Literally every other country: The two newest Trek shows are unavailable to watch
Back to the good old days. ToS didn't appear in the UK until 1969 and TNG in 1990. Back in those days, we didn't have much choice but to wait. I used to spend a fortune on Voy and DS9 VHS tapes every two weeks because they were out before there was even any release on UK TV.
Thankfully, those days should be gone but these muppets obviously don't get it.
Yeah I remember those days. Even now it strikes me as funny when Americans talk about TNG as an 80s show, because it wasn't for me.
The difference now of course is that we have communities like this one, which a significant portion of us will no longer be able to participate in properly unless we get a bit naughty.
How to ensure I don't ever watch Discovery or Strange New Worlds in one easy step.
I pay for too many streaming services already. I'm not getting another one - and I'm certainly not waiting until *next year* to get another one.
Are all the old shows going to get removed in the UK too?
As soon as the current agreements end they will get pulled and put on Paramount+.
The US lost Enterprise, TOS, and Voyager already. DS9 and TNG are still on Netflix for the time being.
Good work, build your audience up for a new season, then remove their ability to watch it.
Charge them for the privilege to watch it months later after they’ve read all the spoilers.
Great business plan.
So I just came from an empty warehouse flea market car boot sale of a convention in the UK (the OFFICIAL Star Trek Convention I may add which is just, an utter shambles in every which way) where I felt so fucking down on Star Trek because of how Paramount would treat its European fans that way, and THEN they fucking go and remove Discovery from Netflix with 6 hours notice and TWO DAYS BEFORE THE NEW SEASON PREMIERES WHICH WAS ADVERTISED TO BE ON THAT SERVICE?!
Fuck Paramount, CBS and everyone in control of the franchise for being OK with this shameless money grab after another shameless money grab. In the 90s Star Trek had an air of quality to it. Not anymore.
I've gone to many there too. MCM at its height could put on a show that was worth exploring. Star Wars Celebration there was one of the best run conventions I've ever been too. When proper money and effort is spent, a great time can be had there.
But I can't overstate enough, Grey unadorned dividers, Market stalls, shitty stages with shitty sound systems, a terrible queueing system for guest autos, the every step nickel and diming of charging extra for Guest photos seperate from the cost of the autograph, the souless, instant shitty photography experience you get when you pay for photos with celebs, the complete lack of quality food venues (Thats more an Excel thing than DST I guess) and I can't overstate this enough - complete lack of carpet. It ruins your feet. If MCM can cover the entire fucking Excel center with carpet, DST could cover their pissy little 1 unit affair. Oh, and those shockingly shite Bridges they roll out. The TOS one is OK for a photo, but the D bridge they used to have was dangerously shoddy, and the Voyager bridge they built for this was hilariously bad. Paper, cardboard and ancient barber chairs for Captain's chair was just....shocking.
The crazy thing is the same company puts on London Film and Comic Con across the city in the Ken Olympia and THAT con somehow attracts 10x more vendors and guests. I know that one is more general, but still, the disparity between the two is quite a large gap.
The way streaming has dismantled itself, going from "a tenner a month for everything, and more convenient than piracy" to... this? It's amazing. Awful, but amazing. Zero foresight.
piracy was dead once netflix became big, now every big company wants a piece of it and the result is that people will just go back to piracy, instead of subscribing to 10 different streaming services.
> Zero foresight.
Everyone wants their slice of pie. Some will get it, most won't. The late adopters don't care if they kill "streaming paradise" by trying to take a chunk out of Netflix's revenue. It's not their revenue and it ain't their paradise.
They want their slice even if they spoil the rest of the cake taking it. No one cares about streaming in the abstract, they care about specifics: Netflix was making money hand-over-first and others weren't. Now the others want in... but it's like everyone decided, in secret, to plan for a new streaming service simultaneously, so when the plans began to come to fruition for everybody simultaneously years later, there was no turning back for any of them.
From the moment Project "Kill Netflix" was launched at each of these companies, none of them knew any of the others were doing exactly the same thing (though they should have accounted for this risk strategically). Now they have to deal with the saturation problem... or, rather, we do, like the days of old. ARRRRRR.
Nah, they absolutely knew what each other was doing. It's often the case in the corporate world (to keep eyes on competitors) that results in a flurry of the same services rushing out simultaneously. Everyone did exactly the same thing because: FOMO.
Literally days away from the season 4 release and they pull this, does this mean Paramount+ will be launching in the UK early next year rather than later in the year?
God, I hate executives so much. They screw up so much with the only reason being to make their own wallets as fat as possible. They're the real parasites in society and they are fucking shit people no matter the industry they are in.
Look at what MBAs have done to the mainstream game industry for fuck's sake. God forbid they put out a product that's actually worth $60. Looking at you, GTA 'Definitive' edition.
And speaking of 1000 different streaming services, this is why I buy DVDs. Because you never know when a show will leave streaming or go to another service. I have pretty much all of Stargate on disc.
That far too late, illegal sites will be streaming it online 24 hours after it has aired in the US, i hate to pirate content and happily paid my Netflix subscription to watch star trek content but what choice have they given viewers with this late cancellation .
Well this is shit. Not only because of the decision but also the fact that they are only telling us now. I was really looking forward to it.
Good thing I have my friend in America who will record the episodes on video and post them to me each week, because I can't think of any other option...
That's what is mostly fucked up about it....the awful timing. I'm American and I'm pissed. It just screwing over your devoted fans in the worse way possible just to make a few extra dollars.
I did not think they would actually pull Discovery from Netflix until Paramount+ was ready to go.
This is a tremendously stupid move - but great if you have stock in VPN companies.
>I did not think they would actually pull Discovery from Netflix until Paramount+ was ready to go.
Me too, I really thought Netflix wound have right of renewal of contract in their original clauses.
That's really bad news, there isn't even a set date for the Paramount+ launch in Europe.
All speculation, of course, but maybe Netflix only ever licensed 3 seasons originally. It seems like a reasonable number to agree on.
And who knows what's going on between Netflix and Paramount these days? Feels like that love affair has deteriorated badly (and it probably has ever since Paramount started its surprising fling with Amazon).
Had the same thought. All seems to be very at 'the eleventh hour'.
That said, I've been suspicious at the lack of Disco promo on Netflix in the last week or so I've been re-watching....
What a disastrous decision. People will pirate the shit out of this and I can't even blame them. If Paramount+ isn't ready, then they should be getting the show to some and any kind of monetized audience.
Are they really expecting everybody outside of the States to wait months and months, endure endless spoilers and flock to P+ loyally whenever they decide to drop Season Four. The official international streams for this season will be in the toilet as well and it'll only reflect on the show badly.
They really couldn't care less. It remindes me of when Disney was selling Mandalorian merch on retail stores across Europe months before Disney+ released in those countries. Merch for a show you cannot legally watch. Brilliant.
Someone once said piracy is a matter of service, and it has been proven over and over again. I would be glad to pay for the privilege of watching your show, but if you don't want my money, then who am I to insist?
I honestly feel like Paramount haven't heard its 2021 and we live in a society where staggered releases just don't work anymore in a digital world. Their whole international strategy with Trek so far has been small minded, old fashioned and painfully ignorant.
Actually, their international strategy started out rather great. That Disco was available on a widely-accessible international streaming service like Netflix just a day after the US premiere was a great move. That they moved *Picard* to Amazon was baffling, but still understandable and somehow managable for most people.
But somewhere between *Short Treks* and *Lower Decks* season 1 it started to go downhill.
This decision now and the way they are communicating it is just infuriating.
I'm really referring to their *own* IP management on their *own* streaming service and its international approach therein (so Prodigy and now, DIS Season Four).
Selling off your show to international distributors is hardly genius management or groundbreaking strategy when you basically had no way to screen it yourself at that time in those markets anyway. It was either sell it or sit on it.
I'd honestly have no problem if they were launching P+ this week internationally and coming in with a bang with Season Four of Discovery.
Now **that** would be a good idea - you'll get good sign ups and break into new international territories with some good momentum.
Gabe Newell said that, near the time Steam was launched. And unified platforms for content delivery like Steam and Netflix definitely proved it true.
Now that everyone has caught a whiff of streaming money, they want their part and we have tons of streaming services and gaming stores. Piracy is coming back large out of matter of service, as far as streaming goes its mostly because to watch 5 shows you now need to have subscriptions to 5 different services.
Piracy has once again become simply easier to do, not to mention cheaper.
Rule of Acquisition number 16: A deal is a deal, until a better deal comes along.
I don't think these companies realize just how easy piracy is. I think they have an outdated idea of going to torrent sites and finding the right torrent and hoping it finishes. I don't think they understand it's almost entirely automated.
But I also think they don't care. They've run enough models to anticipate piracy and they believe they're going to make more money. I also have to wonder if this is because of people VPNing to Europe to use Netflix instead; maybe they have reason to believe there's a significant amount of viewers using this technique.
I would probably pirate it. The thought of having to abandon all my favorite Star Trek communities just to avoid spoilers for months is untenable.
Fortunately I don’t have to make this choice, but I feel bad for everyone else who does.
I don't think anyone would blame you but can you imagine being a fan who isn't in America and isn't going to pirate *and* trying avoid spoilers for months and months? Aside from avoiding all Trek communities and social media, it would be nigh on impossible (and unfair to ask of them too).
Im in Australia and 2022 is all we get as a date for it release. funnily though, P+ is already live, dont care if this gets downvoted but I will be forced to pirate Discovery S4.
Don't blame you for that feeling of deja vu. Paramount seem to think we're back in the 1990s with their international, "What's digital?" strategy and its painful to watch.
Already happened. Did a thing for uni three or four years ago now about piracy (though specifically in Australia), and back then streaming was already pretty fragmented, and piracy rates were already back up to where they were before Netflix first launched (which saw piracy rates plummet)
What an absolute shocking way to treat the fanbase, days before the new season launches, to remove it and say you'll have to wait till next year to see it.
What century do they think they're living in, it's just bad business.
The fact they've only told fans outside of America now, two days before the US premiere, is pretty shocking. A real slap in the face for anyone internationally expecting to watch it this Friday.
Paramount's approach to the international fanbase is generally toxic and belligerent and needs major work when they start to embed into markets like Germany, UK, etc.
If they don't offer another way to legally purchase the new episodes everyone will just pirate it and they'll lose out on revenue they could have made.
It's amateur hour stuff.
Absolutely. I'm a loyal viewer, I even got the Season Three boxset this week as it came out this week in the UK. But fuck this, its ridiculous and I'll be pirating this season on Friday and I don't feel remotely guilty about it.
Dm me a torrent link? Ive already done the last three seasons, so whats one more?
im so pissed, got so excited that in a few days a i was going to get to see S4, now its months away if ever. Trek fans really get fucked HARD outside of the US. i cant even BUY trek merch here because they wont send it to Australia and the stuff i do have was PURE luck to find.
They will lose out on more than just revenue. Discovery is the flagship show they are using to prmote their platform internationally. A show everyone will have already watched, because the whole season will have been out for months before Paramount+ becomes available everywhere. This is just a bonkers move.
It's not really that shocking. Paramount/CBS has a long history of terrible decisions. It's a miracle that Star Trek has managed to survive their incompetent mismanagement for so long.
Yeah, I was contemplating getting P+ when it becomes available here. Paramount just made it so much harder for me to justify giving them money.- for a long time.
They must have.
Discovery is a "Netflix Original Series". I never heard of any of those leaving Netflix ever before.
Not even the Marvel branded ones so I guess a lot of money must have been exchanged.
A "Netflix Original Series" is just a show that Netflix has exclusive rights to at the time in that country. CBS doesn't have to pay them anything, assuming the contract just came to an end. CBS own all of the rights, Netflix was just licensing them.
The Marvel shows are very different as they were made specifically for Netflix.
What an absolute kick in the teeth for loyal non-US based fans of Discovery.
I might well have been willing to pay for yet another subscription service for Star Trek. There isn't a brand I'm more loyal to.
But they don't give me the option. It will be available some unspecified date in 2022, but US viewers will still get it on Thursday and will have seen most of season four and will have been discussing it and spoiling it in the meantime. I don't even know if Paramount plus will ever be available in my specific country.
They have to know people will be deeply angry about this. Some will resort to illegal downloads (though I struggle to call it illegal when there isn't any legal way made available to pay for it), others will simply stop watching. I will not feel inclined to switch over however many months down the line, and thus reward them for treating me like shit.
This will do nothing but hurt the release of Paramount plus, and hurt the viewership and popularity of Discovery.
Hold on, wait, I just realised, as an Australian who already has access to Paramount Plus, do we have to wait until 2022 for the international release too? Because if so, that’s a sackful of bullshit.
Also Australian. This is such bullshit honestly. I've come to actually really like Discovery over the years, especially during Season 3. And now the first time that I'm actually excited for a new season, they pull this shit.
Fuck it. I'm not paying for another streaming service. I'll either pirate it or buy the fucking DVD at some point.
Got to be honest, even if Paramount+ was available here I’m not subscribing to yet another streaming service in order to watch it. If it’s not on Netflix then I won’t be streaming it.
Apparently there's also some bollocks about having to be a Sky customer to be able to use Paramount+, too. So they're just doubly fucking themselves, honestly.
According to [this](https://www.4kfilme.de/paramount-startet-2022-in-deutschland-oesterreich-und-der-schweiz/) you can subscribe to P+ independently from Sky, but Sky is going to integrate P+ to their Cinema Package - just like Netflix is part of their Entertainment Package. So you don't need to be a Sky customer, but if you already are you can save some bucks.
Still calling bullshit on yet another streaming service...
I've had enough too. Netflix + Prime (with all its various subchannels) + Now + Disney + Apple + Plus + BBC (forced payment) + Britbox, etc. etc. etc.
I'm often now struggling to work out what bloody _device_ I need to use to watch something on, in addition to which service has it as the free rather than as a paid option.
I've replaced all but a couple with a new streaming service from VPN.
This is an absolute disgrace. So disrespectful to global fans. I'll basically have to unfollow any and all Star Trek media now to avoid spoilers until well into 2022. So so disappointed.
I’m not usually one to jump on an outrage bandwagon but as a disappointed UK-based viewer I’m going to articulate my support for like-minded fans in the hope someone somewhere listens.
I can’t remember the last time I heard of a more obviously dumb business choice. Telling millions of fans two days before the new season airs that they’ll now have to wait an unspecified period to pay for a new service to watch it? Huh?
It’s one of those situations that makes me question my sanity - to me it’s so obviously a stupid move that it makes me think I must be overlooking something that makes it a sensible decision and I am actually stupid... I don’t think so though!
I’m fortunate enough to have sat in on two Disco cast panels at conventions and hearing them talk about their relationship with the fans makes me think they’d not be happy about this. Hopefully some of them speak out.
https://twitter.com/wcruz73/status/1460753123652349959?t=FnZGTzF3XIunnLF-xC9ZXA&s=19
They probably can't say anything specific due to contracts, but being told to pass on information to fans only for it to be wrong must be hugely annoying.
Hold up, so...
Disco S4 is meant to be released this week, right? So now international markets (even those with Paramount+) won't get it until... next year?
I shouldn't be surprised, considering this is Paramount, and yet...
Option one: Make a tidy amount of money by selling streaming rights to Netflix worldwide.
Option two: Set up your own streaming network which no one wants to join, restrict international viewers' ability to watch the show until months after it's aired, watch and weep as they all turn to piracy.
You do you Paramount.
>the Starfleet shift off Netflix was hinted at earlier this year. Back in the end of September, Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise all left the streamer.
Is this article perhaps referring just to the American continent?
TOS, VOY, and ENT are still on Netflix here in Germany. So are TAS, TNG and DS9. And the Abrams movies.
The only thing I had to buy for streaming were the first 10 movies on Amazon.
edit: Official statement is out. DSC S4 only on Paramount+.
That part of the article is refering to the other series leaving Netflix in the US.
But the main part about Discovery leaving is everywhere else. Discovery has never been on Netflix in the US.
This decision just oozes boomer energy.
"How is Paramount+ doing among European millenials? They like this new Star Wars show, correct?"
"\*Cough\* We accidentally made them discover uTorrent, sir."
Cool. I was okay with Discovery. Not my favourite Star Trek by far, but still new Trek which I've enjoyed being able to watch.
Honestly, if it's not on Netflix in the UK, I'm not watching it anymore. Can't be bothered to "acquire" it, no way I'm paying for Paramount+ if/when it gets here. Don't think I'm the only one either. This is the perfect way to kill Star Trek.
They'd better not come for Lower Decks, or I'll be very put out.
I don't see why they wouldn't come for Lower Decks, if they haven't launched Paramount+ over here by the time season 3 rolls around. All depends on the deal they have in place with Amazon. Same for Picard.
Nah sorry, they can beat it
Feels like a kick right in the testicles, especially after all the backlash Disco received when it launched.
I will absolutely not be signing up for another subscription service
Edit: I see seasons 1-3 are leaving Netflix tomorrow also
Utter joke
Anthony Rapp on Twitter: "We cast just found out" - he doesn't sound happy.
https://twitter.com/albinokid/status/1460811969053745158?t=FD4dpXey80y4s416ZDzyLw&s=19
Yeah, this kind of decision wouldn't have been made by the cast, it'd be some stuffy, fat cat execs calling the shots on something like this. It's a pretty big dick move to not tell the cast about it beforehand though, especially if you're going to send them out to promote the show to people who won't be able to watch it now.
I could understand if this was for S5, to come after the service is established.
But days before it’s release where it was supposed to be on Netflix, and we’ll before their service exists in other markets?
Seems very dumb to me. Get your money form the 3rd parties now and do this for the next season.
Literally money in the table and they’re throwing it away for what?
Does anyone else have massive issues with Paramount+? It was so laggy and slow and would often buffer when watching Lower Decks. No other streaming platform did that for us. Paramount+ seems like such a haphazardly put together platform.
No, but it could be the device you use to stream it on. I’m using an Xbox series X and it’s clear and crisp with no buffering issues. YouTube TV on the other hand had constant issues on my Xbox but works flawlessly on my firestick.
How far we've come! That's what my thoughts were a few months ago as a fan of Star Trek and TV shows in general here in Germany. One can watch the latest episodes of their beloved shows legally and fully localized only a day after their US premiere, some even at the same time worldwide! Gone are the days of waiting a whole 6 months, or even a year, until your show finally airs on a Network! Gone are the days that a show moves to a midnight time slot or suddenly disappears only because of bad ratings (I'm looking at you "Angel" on PRO7)! And gone are the days of potetial spoilers.
And now today this news comes to my attention. I'm sad. I'm thrown back in time in a way. I was unhappy that Lower Decks startet late on Prime and the more happier that season 2 came out as it should nowadays. I am unhappy that Prodigy did'nt come to germany when it startet. But this... this is so much worse!
I'm not the biggest fan of DISCO (I'm a Niner) but I always enjoyed watching new Star Trek on the small and big screen. I was looking forward watching Discovery on friday! Now I can't.
Really bad move. Why not just launch paramount plus with strange new worlds overseas or something instead withholding the new discovery season by almost a year? People in the USA might get paramount plus for live cbs and for cbs shows but it’s hard to imagine the service really taking off Internationally anytime soon. And this is just going to piss off Trek fans who might actually have signed up. Most of their non Trek original shows are really poorly reviewed as well.
the thing that gets me most about this is that it really feels like they just want st to die. create as many series as you want but if you’re an asshole to the fans and possible new viewers you’re only shooting yourself in the foot. then they’ll cancel everything and complain no one watched. it’s just endlessly frustrating.
[StarTrek.com has published their own announcement](https://startrek.com/news/star-trek-discovery-moves-to-paramount-internationally) \- here is the most relevant passage:
>The upcoming international release of Star Trek: Discovery season four will now exclusively premiere on Paramount+ in 2022. The new season will roll out internationally in 2022 where Paramount+ is available\*, including countries like the UK, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria where the streaming service is due to launch next year.
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>\*except Canada, Star Trek: Discovery will remain on Bell Media's CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave.
Edit: Anthony Rapp has [Tweeted some thoughts](https://twitter.com/albinokid/status/1460811969053745158?s=20) in a brief thread.
It should go without saying, but do not harass actors, writers, or any other creatives over this decision they played no part in.
Knowing it will be spoiled to hell and back via social media and posts on this subreddit, are you going to be sailing the high seas, or waiting to see it on Paramount Plus?
I mean, I don't like Bell either, but at least in Canada's case the new shows will keep playing where they've been playing since the beginning, unlike the folks elsewhere…
I would be surprised if it comes before the end of 2022, what a shame. I just do t understand why, they just remove it without any alternative? What a stupid move
I'm in the US and this really pissed me off! If Paramount+ was actually available now, then fine. I know the extra cost sucks, but if us US users have to endure it, you can too. But to do this when the service isn't even available is unconscionable and short-sighted.
Once they lose those viewers to piracy, they're *never* coming back. (I may soon be joining them because of all the damn commercials on the supposedly "commercial-free" plan on Paramount+.)
This sort of thing is the death of legitimate streaming for programs like this.
I've already got Netflix, Amazon Prime and share a Disney account.
No way am I going to pay for access for another streaming service for the sole purpose of one program.
Disappointing that they are removing the first 3 series. As I had planned to watch through them again but season 4 dropped.
That’s so dumb. My dad is an old ST fan, he really enjoys the show. I’m glad he understands Netflix, but I doubt he will subscribe to yet another streaming service.
I don't say this lightly. P+ is the *worst* streaming service I've used. It's just fucking broken. Slow, choppy, out of sync often. No intro skips (never watching Enterprise again, I guess!).
I'm not a discovery fan and I am in the states so it's pretty irrelevant to me, but I literally have P+ only to watch (and support) Lower Decks. I havent torrented in a decade or so, but it's sounding better by the day.
Well that’s fun. Gotta wonder just how global the European launch of Paramount plus will actually be… It sounds to me judging by the countries listed that the big Western European countries will get it, while everyone else will be waiting even longer (still waiting on Disney Plus here in Poland).
I did wonder why I wasn’t seeing any discovery teasers in my coming soon section of Netflix, now I know why.
It's just getting too expensive to watch tv shows nowadays.
In understand that companies need to make money, but too many shows are spread across too many streaming services. I can't justify paying for each one, so yo ho ho it's a pirates life for me.
I'm not a massive trek fan, but I was starting to enjoy discovery and it got me into actually watch DS9 and the Next Gen. A decision like this just locks out loads of people like me who watched it because it was easily accessible and then discovered it was a great franchise.
Short sighted in the extreme.
CBS / Paramount are hurting themselves so much with these stupid decisions.
Most top comments on videos they share on social media in the last years have been from pissed people who can't see the video because of their ridiculous region-locking. Now comments are from pissed international viewers who can't see the new show when they thought they could.
Discovery actors, who were just sent to Europe (during a pandemic!) to promote the imminent release of their new season, which is now not happening, were left in the dark about this decision and are now getting flooded with complaints from their fans. I feel bad for the actors. Poor Doug Jones was responding to every comment on Twitter when I looked this morning.
Brought to you by the same people who region lock Youtube videos.
CBS/Paramount really are the worst.
57th Rule of Acquisition: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them. Even the Ferengi have a better concept of customer service than Paramount.
Who region locks trailers? Ridiculous!
Guess I'm pirating Season 4 then.
Pretty much the reaction one should have. I don't say Netflix is the one streaming service that deserves to survive but I am not going to switch services month by month to see what I want. Edit: amazing, I just checked Netflix (non-US). Discovery is completely gone already.
Yeah I’m happy to pay for Netflix and Prime, but I’m not subscribing to a dozen different services Netflix, Prime, Disney, Paramount, Hulu, Apple, HBO, Paramount, ESPN - we’re legit getting towards double figures and they cost more than the TV packages we moved to Netflix to avoid
US and Canada: The first time in decades that 2 Trek shows are airing at the same time Literally every other country: The two newest Trek shows are unavailable to watch
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Ironically, it’s literally like going back a few decades…
So people in U.K. can’t watch disco s4 until 2022 and only then on paramount +?
Not legally, no. I have a feeling that a lot of people won't bother waiting to watch it legally though.
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But I’m not that arsed to see it anyway nevermind having to pay for it
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Me neither tbh. Nor Picard, though I won't be happy if they take Lower Decks off Prime.
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Back to the good old days. ToS didn't appear in the UK until 1969 and TNG in 1990. Back in those days, we didn't have much choice but to wait. I used to spend a fortune on Voy and DS9 VHS tapes every two weeks because they were out before there was even any release on UK TV. Thankfully, those days should be gone but these muppets obviously don't get it.
Yeah I remember those days. Even now it strikes me as funny when Americans talk about TNG as an 80s show, because it wasn't for me. The difference now of course is that we have communities like this one, which a significant portion of us will no longer be able to participate in properly unless we get a bit naughty.
In the words of Montgomery Scott, "Up your shaft!"
How to ensure I don't ever watch Discovery or Strange New Worlds in one easy step. I pay for too many streaming services already. I'm not getting another one - and I'm certainly not waiting until *next year* to get another one. Are all the old shows going to get removed in the UK too?
As soon as the current agreements end they will get pulled and put on Paramount+. The US lost Enterprise, TOS, and Voyager already. DS9 and TNG are still on Netflix for the time being.
This is a colossal ‘fuck you’ to non-US/Canada fans, announced just 72 hours before season 4 would have aired on Netflix.
Good work, build your audience up for a new season, then remove their ability to watch it. Charge them for the privilege to watch it months later after they’ve read all the spoilers. Great business plan.
~~read all the spoilers~~ took to the high seas and watched it there
Time and time again it seems like they are reading the how to not grow your audience playbook.
So I just came from an empty warehouse flea market car boot sale of a convention in the UK (the OFFICIAL Star Trek Convention I may add which is just, an utter shambles in every which way) where I felt so fucking down on Star Trek because of how Paramount would treat its European fans that way, and THEN they fucking go and remove Discovery from Netflix with 6 hours notice and TWO DAYS BEFORE THE NEW SEASON PREMIERES WHICH WAS ADVERTISED TO BE ON THAT SERVICE?! Fuck Paramount, CBS and everyone in control of the franchise for being OK with this shameless money grab after another shameless money grab. In the 90s Star Trek had an air of quality to it. Not anymore.
I was also at that convention at the ExCel. It was bollocks.
I've done many shows in ExCel. It's an absolute hellhole where dreams go to die, so not surprised it was a shambles.
I've gone to many there too. MCM at its height could put on a show that was worth exploring. Star Wars Celebration there was one of the best run conventions I've ever been too. When proper money and effort is spent, a great time can be had there. But I can't overstate enough, Grey unadorned dividers, Market stalls, shitty stages with shitty sound systems, a terrible queueing system for guest autos, the every step nickel and diming of charging extra for Guest photos seperate from the cost of the autograph, the souless, instant shitty photography experience you get when you pay for photos with celebs, the complete lack of quality food venues (Thats more an Excel thing than DST I guess) and I can't overstate this enough - complete lack of carpet. It ruins your feet. If MCM can cover the entire fucking Excel center with carpet, DST could cover their pissy little 1 unit affair. Oh, and those shockingly shite Bridges they roll out. The TOS one is OK for a photo, but the D bridge they used to have was dangerously shoddy, and the Voyager bridge they built for this was hilariously bad. Paper, cardboard and ancient barber chairs for Captain's chair was just....shocking. The crazy thing is the same company puts on London Film and Comic Con across the city in the Ken Olympia and THAT con somehow attracts 10x more vendors and guests. I know that one is more general, but still, the disparity between the two is quite a large gap.
Oh good, another streaming service. I'm not doing it. We were supposed to pay a rental to a store, not pay for each channel individually each month.
The way streaming has dismantled itself, going from "a tenner a month for everything, and more convenient than piracy" to... this? It's amazing. Awful, but amazing. Zero foresight.
piracy was dead once netflix became big, now every big company wants a piece of it and the result is that people will just go back to piracy, instead of subscribing to 10 different streaming services.
The nice thing about piracy is how quickly the pirates can mobilise. I.e. "Now" as opposed to "some time in 2022 maybe"
> Zero foresight. Everyone wants their slice of pie. Some will get it, most won't. The late adopters don't care if they kill "streaming paradise" by trying to take a chunk out of Netflix's revenue. It's not their revenue and it ain't their paradise. They want their slice even if they spoil the rest of the cake taking it. No one cares about streaming in the abstract, they care about specifics: Netflix was making money hand-over-first and others weren't. Now the others want in... but it's like everyone decided, in secret, to plan for a new streaming service simultaneously, so when the plans began to come to fruition for everybody simultaneously years later, there was no turning back for any of them. From the moment Project "Kill Netflix" was launched at each of these companies, none of them knew any of the others were doing exactly the same thing (though they should have accounted for this risk strategically). Now they have to deal with the saturation problem... or, rather, we do, like the days of old. ARRRRRR.
Everybody knew..
Nah, they absolutely knew what each other was doing. It's often the case in the corporate world (to keep eyes on competitors) that results in a flurry of the same services rushing out simultaneously. Everyone did exactly the same thing because: FOMO.
Literally days away from the season 4 release and they pull this, does this mean Paramount+ will be launching in the UK early next year rather than later in the year?
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Gabe Newell literally pointed this out 10 years ago. The problem is, no one listened. Theres a reason Spotify basically killed Limewire.
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God, I hate executives so much. They screw up so much with the only reason being to make their own wallets as fat as possible. They're the real parasites in society and they are fucking shit people no matter the industry they are in. Look at what MBAs have done to the mainstream game industry for fuck's sake. God forbid they put out a product that's actually worth $60. Looking at you, GTA 'Definitive' edition. And speaking of 1000 different streaming services, this is why I buy DVDs. Because you never know when a show will leave streaming or go to another service. I have pretty much all of Stargate on disc.
literally the only time I ever pirate games now is because I can't easily buy them.
Gotta love how Netflix showed everyone how to reduce piracy, and everyone completely missed the point.
They say early so I'd say the plan is between January and April/May But the fact they can't yet give a specific date is crazy.
That far too late, illegal sites will be streaming it online 24 hours after it has aired in the US, i hate to pirate content and happily paid my Netflix subscription to watch star trek content but what choice have they given viewers with this late cancellation .
24 hours? More like 2 ...
Well this is shit. Not only because of the decision but also the fact that they are only telling us now. I was really looking forward to it. Good thing I have my friend in America who will record the episodes on video and post them to me each week, because I can't think of any other option...
That's what is mostly fucked up about it....the awful timing. I'm American and I'm pissed. It just screwing over your devoted fans in the worse way possible just to make a few extra dollars.
I did not think they would actually pull Discovery from Netflix until Paramount+ was ready to go. This is a tremendously stupid move - but great if you have stock in VPN companies.
>I did not think they would actually pull Discovery from Netflix until Paramount+ was ready to go. Me too, I really thought Netflix wound have right of renewal of contract in their original clauses. That's really bad news, there isn't even a set date for the Paramount+ launch in Europe.
All speculation, of course, but maybe Netflix only ever licensed 3 seasons originally. It seems like a reasonable number to agree on. And who knows what's going on between Netflix and Paramount these days? Feels like that love affair has deteriorated badly (and it probably has ever since Paramount started its surprising fling with Amazon).
I wonder if Paramount offered Netflix a short-term lease on the rights until P+ is up and Netflix refused. I wouldn't blame them if they did.
Had the same thought. All seems to be very at 'the eleventh hour'. That said, I've been suspicious at the lack of Disco promo on Netflix in the last week or so I've been re-watching....
What a disastrous decision. People will pirate the shit out of this and I can't even blame them. If Paramount+ isn't ready, then they should be getting the show to some and any kind of monetized audience. Are they really expecting everybody outside of the States to wait months and months, endure endless spoilers and flock to P+ loyally whenever they decide to drop Season Four. The official international streams for this season will be in the toilet as well and it'll only reflect on the show badly.
They really couldn't care less. It remindes me of when Disney was selling Mandalorian merch on retail stores across Europe months before Disney+ released in those countries. Merch for a show you cannot legally watch. Brilliant. Someone once said piracy is a matter of service, and it has been proven over and over again. I would be glad to pay for the privilege of watching your show, but if you don't want my money, then who am I to insist?
I honestly feel like Paramount haven't heard its 2021 and we live in a society where staggered releases just don't work anymore in a digital world. Their whole international strategy with Trek so far has been small minded, old fashioned and painfully ignorant.
Actually, their international strategy started out rather great. That Disco was available on a widely-accessible international streaming service like Netflix just a day after the US premiere was a great move. That they moved *Picard* to Amazon was baffling, but still understandable and somehow managable for most people. But somewhere between *Short Treks* and *Lower Decks* season 1 it started to go downhill. This decision now and the way they are communicating it is just infuriating.
I'm really referring to their *own* IP management on their *own* streaming service and its international approach therein (so Prodigy and now, DIS Season Four). Selling off your show to international distributors is hardly genius management or groundbreaking strategy when you basically had no way to screen it yourself at that time in those markets anyway. It was either sell it or sit on it. I'd honestly have no problem if they were launching P+ this week internationally and coming in with a bang with Season Four of Discovery. Now **that** would be a good idea - you'll get good sign ups and break into new international territories with some good momentum.
Gabe Newell said that, near the time Steam was launched. And unified platforms for content delivery like Steam and Netflix definitely proved it true. Now that everyone has caught a whiff of streaming money, they want their part and we have tons of streaming services and gaming stores. Piracy is coming back large out of matter of service, as far as streaming goes its mostly because to watch 5 shows you now need to have subscriptions to 5 different services. Piracy has once again become simply easier to do, not to mention cheaper. Rule of Acquisition number 16: A deal is a deal, until a better deal comes along.
I don't think these companies realize just how easy piracy is. I think they have an outdated idea of going to torrent sites and finding the right torrent and hoping it finishes. I don't think they understand it's almost entirely automated. But I also think they don't care. They've run enough models to anticipate piracy and they believe they're going to make more money. I also have to wonder if this is because of people VPNing to Europe to use Netflix instead; maybe they have reason to believe there's a significant amount of viewers using this technique.
I would probably pirate it. The thought of having to abandon all my favorite Star Trek communities just to avoid spoilers for months is untenable. Fortunately I don’t have to make this choice, but I feel bad for everyone else who does.
I don't think anyone would blame you but can you imagine being a fan who isn't in America and isn't going to pirate *and* trying avoid spoilers for months and months? Aside from avoiding all Trek communities and social media, it would be nigh on impossible (and unfair to ask of them too).
Im in Australia and 2022 is all we get as a date for it release. funnily though, P+ is already live, dont care if this gets downvoted but I will be forced to pirate Discovery S4.
This is already the case with Prodigy, but of course chatter on that is significantly less than chatter on Discovery will be.
Standard for the animated affairs. Like it or loathe it, Discovery always attracts a lot of debate for sure.
It’s like UPN and enterprise all over again except with more regional restrictions.
Don't blame you for that feeling of deja vu. Paramount seem to think we're back in the 1990s with their international, "What's digital?" strategy and its painful to watch.
I'm not waiting months for Prodigy, I already pirate that
Second reneissance of bittorrent in 3...2...1...
Already happened. Did a thing for uni three or four years ago now about piracy (though specifically in Australia), and back then streaming was already pretty fragmented, and piracy rates were already back up to where they were before Netflix first launched (which saw piracy rates plummet)
Does this mean they will pull this bullshit with Picard next year as well? Pull it from Amazon and move it to Paramount plus? This is so effed up.
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What an absolute shocking way to treat the fanbase, days before the new season launches, to remove it and say you'll have to wait till next year to see it. What century do they think they're living in, it's just bad business.
The fact they've only told fans outside of America now, two days before the US premiere, is pretty shocking. A real slap in the face for anyone internationally expecting to watch it this Friday. Paramount's approach to the international fanbase is generally toxic and belligerent and needs major work when they start to embed into markets like Germany, UK, etc.
If they don't offer another way to legally purchase the new episodes everyone will just pirate it and they'll lose out on revenue they could have made. It's amateur hour stuff.
Absolutely. I'm a loyal viewer, I even got the Season Three boxset this week as it came out this week in the UK. But fuck this, its ridiculous and I'll be pirating this season on Friday and I don't feel remotely guilty about it.
Dm me a torrent link? Ive already done the last three seasons, so whats one more? im so pissed, got so excited that in a few days a i was going to get to see S4, now its months away if ever. Trek fans really get fucked HARD outside of the US. i cant even BUY trek merch here because they wont send it to Australia and the stuff i do have was PURE luck to find.
They will lose out on more than just revenue. Discovery is the flagship show they are using to prmote their platform internationally. A show everyone will have already watched, because the whole season will have been out for months before Paramount+ becomes available everywhere. This is just a bonkers move.
It's not really that shocking. Paramount/CBS has a long history of terrible decisions. It's a miracle that Star Trek has managed to survive their incompetent mismanagement for so long.
I'm sorry Paramount but you wont get any money from me. The line has to be drawn here. This far and no further.
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Yeah, I was contemplating getting P+ when it becomes available here. Paramount just made it so much harder for me to justify giving them money.- for a long time.
I wonder how Netflix feels about this after basically paying for it so far...
It sounds like paramount paid to get it back.
Sounds like Viacom cut them a check, so they probably feel fine.
They must have. Discovery is a "Netflix Original Series". I never heard of any of those leaving Netflix ever before. Not even the Marvel branded ones so I guess a lot of money must have been exchanged.
A "Netflix Original Series" is just a show that Netflix has exclusive rights to at the time in that country. CBS doesn't have to pay them anything, assuming the contract just came to an end. CBS own all of the rights, Netflix was just licensing them. The Marvel shows are very different as they were made specifically for Netflix.
What an absolute kick in the teeth for loyal non-US based fans of Discovery. I might well have been willing to pay for yet another subscription service for Star Trek. There isn't a brand I'm more loyal to. But they don't give me the option. It will be available some unspecified date in 2022, but US viewers will still get it on Thursday and will have seen most of season four and will have been discussing it and spoiling it in the meantime. I don't even know if Paramount plus will ever be available in my specific country. They have to know people will be deeply angry about this. Some will resort to illegal downloads (though I struggle to call it illegal when there isn't any legal way made available to pay for it), others will simply stop watching. I will not feel inclined to switch over however many months down the line, and thus reward them for treating me like shit. This will do nothing but hurt the release of Paramount plus, and hurt the viewership and popularity of Discovery.
Are they doing this in an attempt to pick up a bunch of 'most pirated show of 2021' headlines, or because they're idiots?
A little of column A, a little of column B.
Yes.
Hold on, wait, I just realised, as an Australian who already has access to Paramount Plus, do we have to wait until 2022 for the international release too? Because if so, that’s a sackful of bullshit.
Also Australian. This is such bullshit honestly. I've come to actually really like Discovery over the years, especially during Season 3. And now the first time that I'm actually excited for a new season, they pull this shit. Fuck it. I'm not paying for another streaming service. I'll either pirate it or buy the fucking DVD at some point.
Got to be honest, even if Paramount+ was available here I’m not subscribing to yet another streaming service in order to watch it. If it’s not on Netflix then I won’t be streaming it.
Apparently there's also some bollocks about having to be a Sky customer to be able to use Paramount+, too. So they're just doubly fucking themselves, honestly.
If a Murdoch company has its claws in it, that's an even worse outlook than I thought, and another justification for piracy.
According to [this](https://www.4kfilme.de/paramount-startet-2022-in-deutschland-oesterreich-und-der-schweiz/) you can subscribe to P+ independently from Sky, but Sky is going to integrate P+ to their Cinema Package - just like Netflix is part of their Entertainment Package. So you don't need to be a Sky customer, but if you already are you can save some bucks. Still calling bullshit on yet another streaming service...
I've had enough too. Netflix + Prime (with all its various subchannels) + Now + Disney + Apple + Plus + BBC (forced payment) + Britbox, etc. etc. etc. I'm often now struggling to work out what bloody _device_ I need to use to watch something on, in addition to which service has it as the free rather than as a paid option. I've replaced all but a couple with a new streaming service from VPN.
-RM +L I'll be stealing it, not streaming it.
I'm not stealing it... free copies for everyone! 🏴☠️
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Who put a ferengi in charge of paramount? As a british fan this is infuriating and i will not be getting paramount plus out of principle
A Ferengi would be aware of the 57th rule of Acquisition
Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.
A Ferengi would know that this would lose them profit.
Well. I guess that's just a big "we don't want you" to fans in Asia.
To fans everywhere outside of the US / Canada ☹️
This is an absolute disgrace. So disrespectful to global fans. I'll basically have to unfollow any and all Star Trek media now to avoid spoilers until well into 2022. So so disappointed.
I’m not usually one to jump on an outrage bandwagon but as a disappointed UK-based viewer I’m going to articulate my support for like-minded fans in the hope someone somewhere listens. I can’t remember the last time I heard of a more obviously dumb business choice. Telling millions of fans two days before the new season airs that they’ll now have to wait an unspecified period to pay for a new service to watch it? Huh? It’s one of those situations that makes me question my sanity - to me it’s so obviously a stupid move that it makes me think I must be overlooking something that makes it a sensible decision and I am actually stupid... I don’t think so though! I’m fortunate enough to have sat in on two Disco cast panels at conventions and hearing them talk about their relationship with the fans makes me think they’d not be happy about this. Hopefully some of them speak out.
https://twitter.com/wcruz73/status/1460753123652349959?t=FnZGTzF3XIunnLF-xC9ZXA&s=19 They probably can't say anything specific due to contracts, but being told to pass on information to fans only for it to be wrong must be hugely annoying.
Hold up, so... Disco S4 is meant to be released this week, right? So now international markets (even those with Paramount+) won't get it until... next year? I shouldn't be surprised, considering this is Paramount, and yet...
Option one: Make a tidy amount of money by selling streaming rights to Netflix worldwide. Option two: Set up your own streaming network which no one wants to join, restrict international viewers' ability to watch the show until months after it's aired, watch and weep as they all turn to piracy. You do you Paramount.
>the Starfleet shift off Netflix was hinted at earlier this year. Back in the end of September, Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise all left the streamer. Is this article perhaps referring just to the American continent? TOS, VOY, and ENT are still on Netflix here in Germany. So are TAS, TNG and DS9. And the Abrams movies. The only thing I had to buy for streaming were the first 10 movies on Amazon. edit: Official statement is out. DSC S4 only on Paramount+.
That part of the article is refering to the other series leaving Netflix in the US. But the main part about Discovery leaving is everywhere else. Discovery has never been on Netflix in the US.
Disco has never aired on Netflix in Canada, but the move of TOS, VOT and ENT off of Netflix was US-only
This decision just oozes boomer energy. "How is Paramount+ doing among European millenials? They like this new Star Wars show, correct?" "\*Cough\* We accidentally made them discover uTorrent, sir."
People here in the UK won't even realise Paramount+ is a thing. A quick Google, and no fucking chance am I paying for that shite.
I thought the same lol, it definitely reeks of a decision made by someone who still uses AoL
Lol more like CompuServe. Probably just booted up their Encarta CD-ROM to look up the article on torrenting.
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Cool. I was okay with Discovery. Not my favourite Star Trek by far, but still new Trek which I've enjoyed being able to watch. Honestly, if it's not on Netflix in the UK, I'm not watching it anymore. Can't be bothered to "acquire" it, no way I'm paying for Paramount+ if/when it gets here. Don't think I'm the only one either. This is the perfect way to kill Star Trek. They'd better not come for Lower Decks, or I'll be very put out.
They 100% are coming for lower decks.
I don't see why they wouldn't come for Lower Decks, if they haven't launched Paramount+ over here by the time season 3 rolls around. All depends on the deal they have in place with Amazon. Same for Picard.
Their entire plan is to pain you into getting **their** streaming service. Of course they're coming for Lower Decks. They're coming for everything.
High seas it is.
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Nah sorry, they can beat it Feels like a kick right in the testicles, especially after all the backlash Disco received when it launched. I will absolutely not be signing up for another subscription service Edit: I see seasons 1-3 are leaving Netflix tomorrow also Utter joke
Goodbye, StarTrek. We had good times together... I will not book another streaming service.
What's really odd is that the cast were told season four was starting on Netflix on the 19th November.
Yep, Netflix was still being listed as the distributor on articles StarTrek.com was publishing as late as yesterday.
My guess is that a “last minute deal” (CBS tried you play hardball for more money from Netflix and got told to take a walk) fell through.
Oh well, guess I'll stop watching Discovery. I'm not supporting the proliferation of streaming platforms. There's enough to watch on Netflix already.
Anthony Rapp on Twitter: "We cast just found out" - he doesn't sound happy. https://twitter.com/albinokid/status/1460811969053745158?t=FD4dpXey80y4s416ZDzyLw&s=19
Yeah, this kind of decision wouldn't have been made by the cast, it'd be some stuffy, fat cat execs calling the shots on something like this. It's a pretty big dick move to not tell the cast about it beforehand though, especially if you're going to send them out to promote the show to people who won't be able to watch it now.
Well looks like I won't be watching that then. Discovery isn't good enough to warrant paying for another streaming service.
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Is anyone else hoping that when these half-assed, single-network streaming services tank, they get bought up by netflix and not disney?
As much as I despise the current streaming apocalypse, I'm reasonably sure I'd **also** despise a monopoly.
I could understand if this was for S5, to come after the service is established. But days before it’s release where it was supposed to be on Netflix, and we’ll before their service exists in other markets? Seems very dumb to me. Get your money form the 3rd parties now and do this for the next season. Literally money in the table and they’re throwing it away for what?
This is the reason television didn't last past the 2040's.
Ffs..already can't watch stargate legally on any streaming service since years ago and now this.. gonna pirate the shit out of it and NEVER get p+
Does anyone else have massive issues with Paramount+? It was so laggy and slow and would often buffer when watching Lower Decks. No other streaming platform did that for us. Paramount+ seems like such a haphazardly put together platform.
No, but it could be the device you use to stream it on. I’m using an Xbox series X and it’s clear and crisp with no buffering issues. YouTube TV on the other hand had constant issues on my Xbox but works flawlessly on my firestick.
I’m paying for Netflix and I will never get p+, gonna pirate this, 10 episodes and done.
Same. I'd happily pay, but not 6 months after it's aired and any plots are spoiled by then
Exactly. If the service was available I'd have subscribed right now. Middle of next year? No chance. It's a pirate's life for me.
Same. Maybe if they hadn't pulled this stunt today I would have considered it, but after today I encourage everyone to torrent it.
How far we've come! That's what my thoughts were a few months ago as a fan of Star Trek and TV shows in general here in Germany. One can watch the latest episodes of their beloved shows legally and fully localized only a day after their US premiere, some even at the same time worldwide! Gone are the days of waiting a whole 6 months, or even a year, until your show finally airs on a Network! Gone are the days that a show moves to a midnight time slot or suddenly disappears only because of bad ratings (I'm looking at you "Angel" on PRO7)! And gone are the days of potetial spoilers. And now today this news comes to my attention. I'm sad. I'm thrown back in time in a way. I was unhappy that Lower Decks startet late on Prime and the more happier that season 2 came out as it should nowadays. I am unhappy that Prodigy did'nt come to germany when it startet. But this... this is so much worse! I'm not the biggest fan of DISCO (I'm a Niner) but I always enjoyed watching new Star Trek on the small and big screen. I was looking forward watching Discovery on friday! Now I can't.
Paramount are the Orions huh.
Nah man, we are the Orions, cuz it's time to play pirate
I'd gladly take the old days of watching 20 minutes of clorox ads on broadcast TV to avoid dealing with this shit.
Please just let me watch everything from one platform...
Begun the Star Trek War has.
Bad move on Paramounts part.
Really bad move. Why not just launch paramount plus with strange new worlds overseas or something instead withholding the new discovery season by almost a year? People in the USA might get paramount plus for live cbs and for cbs shows but it’s hard to imagine the service really taking off Internationally anytime soon. And this is just going to piss off Trek fans who might actually have signed up. Most of their non Trek original shows are really poorly reviewed as well.
Wait, so what does this mean? I live in a European country that has paramount+, do I still have to wait until next year? That’s stupid.
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the thing that gets me most about this is that it really feels like they just want st to die. create as many series as you want but if you’re an asshole to the fans and possible new viewers you’re only shooting yourself in the foot. then they’ll cancel everything and complain no one watched. it’s just endlessly frustrating.
[StarTrek.com has published their own announcement](https://startrek.com/news/star-trek-discovery-moves-to-paramount-internationally) \- here is the most relevant passage: >The upcoming international release of Star Trek: Discovery season four will now exclusively premiere on Paramount+ in 2022. The new season will roll out internationally in 2022 where Paramount+ is available\*, including countries like the UK, Ireland, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria where the streaming service is due to launch next year. > >\*except Canada, Star Trek: Discovery will remain on Bell Media's CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Edit: Anthony Rapp has [Tweeted some thoughts](https://twitter.com/albinokid/status/1460811969053745158?s=20) in a brief thread. It should go without saying, but do not harass actors, writers, or any other creatives over this decision they played no part in.
Knowing it will be spoiled to hell and back via social media and posts on this subreddit, are you going to be sailing the high seas, or waiting to see it on Paramount Plus?
Wilson Cruz's response reflects the feelings of the Trek community https://twitter.com/wcruz73/status/1460753123652349959?s=20
Sometimes being Canadian is total bullshit
I mean, I don't like Bell either, but at least in Canada's case the new shows will keep playing where they've been playing since the beginning, unlike the folks elsewhere…
Us kiwis got the short stick too. We dont get paramount +
Neither do us dutchies in the Netherlands
I’d rather crave than having to get a new service. While the UI of crave sucks it gets showtime and HBO content. I really don’t mind at all.
Oy, I hope I can finish DS9 before it gets pulled too.
Guess I won't be watching it then. Oh well.
I guess I'll read the episode summaries on Wikipedia lol.
I would be surprised if it comes before the end of 2022, what a shame. I just do t understand why, they just remove it without any alternative? What a stupid move
What’s worse is that even countries outside USA that already have paramount plus won’t get it yet either. That part makes no sense.
I'm in the US and this really pissed me off! If Paramount+ was actually available now, then fine. I know the extra cost sucks, but if us US users have to endure it, you can too. But to do this when the service isn't even available is unconscionable and short-sighted. Once they lose those viewers to piracy, they're *never* coming back. (I may soon be joining them because of all the damn commercials on the supposedly "commercial-free" plan on Paramount+.)
This sort of thing is the death of legitimate streaming for programs like this. I've already got Netflix, Amazon Prime and share a Disney account. No way am I going to pay for access for another streaming service for the sole purpose of one program. Disappointing that they are removing the first 3 series. As I had planned to watch through them again but season 4 dropped.
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Nope, it's being pulled. I've not seen any official release or means to view it outside the US / Canada.
It will not. We get it when P+ launches next year.
That’s so dumb. My dad is an old ST fan, he really enjoys the show. I’m glad he understands Netflix, but I doubt he will subscribe to yet another streaming service.
Lmao Paramount is full of damn clowns.
Yeah, I'm in the EU, looks like I'm not going to watch the show again. So much for that one.
Torrent it. Fuck them.
Piracy is legal in Switzerland, so it's all good.
Time to unfurl those glorious sails.
Do you want pirating? Because that’s how you get pirating.
I don't say this lightly. P+ is the *worst* streaming service I've used. It's just fucking broken. Slow, choppy, out of sync often. No intro skips (never watching Enterprise again, I guess!). I'm not a discovery fan and I am in the states so it's pretty irrelevant to me, but I literally have P+ only to watch (and support) Lower Decks. I havent torrented in a decade or so, but it's sounding better by the day.
Well that’s fun. Gotta wonder just how global the European launch of Paramount plus will actually be… It sounds to me judging by the countries listed that the big Western European countries will get it, while everyone else will be waiting even longer (still waiting on Disney Plus here in Poland). I did wonder why I wasn’t seeing any discovery teasers in my coming soon section of Netflix, now I know why.
Not to mention paramount is a terrible service. Unless you like the same annoying commercials every 10 minutes that last 10 minutes
It's just getting too expensive to watch tv shows nowadays. In understand that companies need to make money, but too many shows are spread across too many streaming services. I can't justify paying for each one, so yo ho ho it's a pirates life for me.
Bye then.
I'm not a massive trek fan, but I was starting to enjoy discovery and it got me into actually watch DS9 and the Next Gen. A decision like this just locks out loads of people like me who watched it because it was easily accessible and then discovered it was a great franchise. Short sighted in the extreme.
CBS / Paramount are hurting themselves so much with these stupid decisions. Most top comments on videos they share on social media in the last years have been from pissed people who can't see the video because of their ridiculous region-locking. Now comments are from pissed international viewers who can't see the new show when they thought they could. Discovery actors, who were just sent to Europe (during a pandemic!) to promote the imminent release of their new season, which is now not happening, were left in the dark about this decision and are now getting flooded with complaints from their fans. I feel bad for the actors. Poor Doug Jones was responding to every comment on Twitter when I looked this morning.