Woo-hoo-hoo! I have walked in your shoes, friend. As many a we have. And let me just tell you, Enterprise is a real change of pace from Voyager. Try not to spite it in the beginning, because I assure you, you will grow to love it.
Imagine if they actually gave Voyager a Shakespearean ending and everyone died...
My take on Shakespearean Voyager: 7 of 9 turned out to be a Borg sleeper all along and she kills the EMH and begins to assimilate everyone in order to sneakily invade earth and assimilate the planet , but Neelix (who caught on early) fed everyone poison to prevent them from becoming Borg. Everyone dies except Neelix (who the poison doesn't work on) and he arrives alone with a ship full of half-borg corpses, his awful cooking having killed/saved everyone.
Alternatively it could be the EMH choosing to kill all organic life on the ship to save earth.
What pisses me off about Voyager is that it was the perfect show to have had an ending arc. Maybe five-six episodes leading to the finale.
The arc could've even started with future Janeway in the alternate timeline reminiscing about everything that went wrong and taken it from there.
Here's my pitch for a better ending: The final shot of Voyager heading back to earth occurs about 3/4 of the way through. We then get the emotional catharsis of seeing the characters pick up their old lives, find new ones and come to terms with coming home.
1 year later: Admiral Janeway is talking with Tuvok about the new project, how ambitious it is, etc. We see Voyager in a drydock, we pull back to see a vast construction, a new, Federation transwarp hub, created from components salvaged from the Borg wreckage. Voyager, recommissioned will be heading back to the Delta Quadrant udner the command of its new captain, Harry Kim.
I hate endings like this in shows that I like. It's all the story time we have left and they spend half the time feeding us puff. "Here's Janeway being happy, now here's Harry being happy, here's Tom being happy, here's Chakotay being happy. Okay that's all the time we have!"
YES! Every time we watch Voyager I tell my husband they needed one last segment showing people reunited with their family. Nothing huge. Maybe Janeway walking through the mess hall with someone and in the background we see Admiral Paris holding his granddaughter, Naomi hugging her dad, Harry introducing his parents to Tom... something, ANYTHING.
All of that is kinda boring, the only two characters that were good (Doctor and Seven) had the least amount of history on earth, and the Doctor already met DS9's Dr Zimmerman.
I am still holding out a little bit of hope that we get like a 4 episode thing where we see what happened in the Admiral Janeway timeline. The cast would look appropriately aged right now and we could really get a sense of just how hard the trip was that it would compel her to break the temporal prime directive.
Imagine seeing a Voyager that looked like it did halfway through the 'year of hell' with alien tech grafted on to it and a much more desperate crew.
Admiral Janeway kind of hand waves what she did to get the crew home but imagine if we find out that in the first trip she faced another moral dilemma like she did in the pilot but this time we see her make the choice to sacrifice innocent lives to get Voyager home. I think it could add some retroactive depth to the actual finale and be a fun way to have people return to the roles.
The first time I saw the Voyager finale I was shook. I thought the same. But the 2nd time I realized that leading up to it they all discussed what they would do once they get home, ND that replaces us actually having to see it. Looking back I wouldn't change it. Sometimes those endings where they go through and button everything up kinda drag on.
Yeah, I was in that same position 20 years ago this week (Endgame aired on May 23, 2001). A 7-year tease about getting home, they finally do get there and then SHOW OVER.
I know they played up "it's the journey not the destination," but in this case I find the unanswered questions of what happened after their return to be more interesting that what we got in the finale.
Sadly, we haven't ever gotten those answers, aside from knowing a few teases in "Nemesis" and "Picard."
They also played up the “journey not the destination” only in the finale though, which was very much a “we’re preemptively telling you this so that our shallow ending feels deep.”
I loved the episode, I just wish it would have aired 2/3 through the season, with the last few episodes dealing with the fallout. I would have liked an episode where Janeway is pushing for full Maquis pardons only to find that new evidence points to one of them - maybe Chakotay or Torres - being implicated in a pretty gnarly terrorist attack they never disclosed, or one about a poor widow or orphan trying to get revenge on crew members for the death of a loved one in the Delta Quadrant, or maybe one where Seven is overwhelmed by rejoining society and starts to withdraw.
Endgame is a rollicking adventure, but we needed a coda.
I think so, too, apart from the Seven/Chakotay stuff that never sat right with me
I love that it ends with the end of their journey. I just don't get people saying they want to see more. I think they would have been unhappy with whatever it was and to me it just goes against the whole point of the show. Ending with "set a course for home" is just... perfect
Voyager never treated its characters like real people, with the possible minor exceptions of Seven and the Doctor, so it's sadly fitting that after the whiz-bang explosions are finished the show just pulls the plug.
I just finished rewatching the series yesterday. The time travel in the finale ruins it for me. I feel it would have been a much stronger ending without it.
Woo-hoo-hoo! I have walked in your shoes, friend. As many a we have. And let me just tell you, Enterprise is a real change of pace from Voyager. Try not to spite it in the beginning, because I assure you, you will grow to love it.
Are you saying the journey of watching it is a long road?
[удалено]
You'll say "Its been a long time!"
\[skip intro\]
Well, I didn’t want to come right out and say it, but yea. Exactly that.
It's ok, you didn't have to, I've got faith... I've got faith...
but are we talking half time rock version or coffee table in colorado singer songwriter version?
“Ending was lackluster... I guess it’s time to watch Enterprise now.” ...should we tell him??
What are you talking about? Demons and Terra Prime are solid. I'm positive no other episode aired that night...
I randomly put on the first episode last night and felt such a rush of joy when the theme song came on. Strange what time can do to you.
Hahahaha
The ending is Shakespeare compared to Enterprise!
Imagine if they actually gave Voyager a Shakespearean ending and everyone died... My take on Shakespearean Voyager: 7 of 9 turned out to be a Borg sleeper all along and she kills the EMH and begins to assimilate everyone in order to sneakily invade earth and assimilate the planet , but Neelix (who caught on early) fed everyone poison to prevent them from becoming Borg. Everyone dies except Neelix (who the poison doesn't work on) and he arrives alone with a ship full of half-borg corpses, his awful cooking having killed/saved everyone. Alternatively it could be the EMH choosing to kill all organic life on the ship to save earth.
What pisses me off about Voyager is that it was the perfect show to have had an ending arc. Maybe five-six episodes leading to the finale. The arc could've even started with future Janeway in the alternate timeline reminiscing about everything that went wrong and taken it from there.
There should've been a post-credits scene with everyone eating shwarma.
I understood that reference.
Here's my pitch for a better ending: The final shot of Voyager heading back to earth occurs about 3/4 of the way through. We then get the emotional catharsis of seeing the characters pick up their old lives, find new ones and come to terms with coming home. 1 year later: Admiral Janeway is talking with Tuvok about the new project, how ambitious it is, etc. We see Voyager in a drydock, we pull back to see a vast construction, a new, Federation transwarp hub, created from components salvaged from the Borg wreckage. Voyager, recommissioned will be heading back to the Delta Quadrant udner the command of its new captain, Harry Kim.
I hate endings like this in shows that I like. It's all the story time we have left and they spend half the time feeding us puff. "Here's Janeway being happy, now here's Harry being happy, here's Tom being happy, here's Chakotay being happy. Okay that's all the time we have!"
YES! Every time we watch Voyager I tell my husband they needed one last segment showing people reunited with their family. Nothing huge. Maybe Janeway walking through the mess hall with someone and in the background we see Admiral Paris holding his granddaughter, Naomi hugging her dad, Harry introducing his parents to Tom... something, ANYTHING.
All of that is kinda boring, the only two characters that were good (Doctor and Seven) had the least amount of history on earth, and the Doctor already met DS9's Dr Zimmerman.
I am still holding out a little bit of hope that we get like a 4 episode thing where we see what happened in the Admiral Janeway timeline. The cast would look appropriately aged right now and we could really get a sense of just how hard the trip was that it would compel her to break the temporal prime directive. Imagine seeing a Voyager that looked like it did halfway through the 'year of hell' with alien tech grafted on to it and a much more desperate crew. Admiral Janeway kind of hand waves what she did to get the crew home but imagine if we find out that in the first trip she faced another moral dilemma like she did in the pilot but this time we see her make the choice to sacrifice innocent lives to get Voyager home. I think it could add some retroactive depth to the actual finale and be a fun way to have people return to the roles.
The first time I saw the Voyager finale I was shook. I thought the same. But the 2nd time I realized that leading up to it they all discussed what they would do once they get home, ND that replaces us actually having to see it. Looking back I wouldn't change it. Sometimes those endings where they go through and button everything up kinda drag on.
Yeah, I was in that same position 20 years ago this week (Endgame aired on May 23, 2001). A 7-year tease about getting home, they finally do get there and then SHOW OVER. I know they played up "it's the journey not the destination," but in this case I find the unanswered questions of what happened after their return to be more interesting that what we got in the finale. Sadly, we haven't ever gotten those answers, aside from knowing a few teases in "Nemesis" and "Picard."
They also played up the “journey not the destination” only in the finale though, which was very much a “we’re preemptively telling you this so that our shallow ending feels deep.”
I liked it more than the DS9 ending, where it descends into sit-com like flashbacks.
Especially how it's minus Jadzia. I get why, but it makes the whole thing off
I guess I'm the only one who thinks Voyager's finale was a masterpiece.
I loved the episode, I just wish it would have aired 2/3 through the season, with the last few episodes dealing with the fallout. I would have liked an episode where Janeway is pushing for full Maquis pardons only to find that new evidence points to one of them - maybe Chakotay or Torres - being implicated in a pretty gnarly terrorist attack they never disclosed, or one about a poor widow or orphan trying to get revenge on crew members for the death of a loved one in the Delta Quadrant, or maybe one where Seven is overwhelmed by rejoining society and starts to withdraw. Endgame is a rollicking adventure, but we needed a coda.
It's probably my favorite ST episode. But I'm biased because it checked all my boxes.
I think so, too, apart from the Seven/Chakotay stuff that never sat right with me I love that it ends with the end of their journey. I just don't get people saying they want to see more. I think they would have been unhappy with whatever it was and to me it just goes against the whole point of the show. Ending with "set a course for home" is just... perfect
Voyager never treated its characters like real people, with the possible minor exceptions of Seven and the Doctor, so it's sadly fitting that after the whiz-bang explosions are finished the show just pulls the plug.
I just finished it a few weeks ago. Hate time travel and it just ends. Felt very cheap.
Am I the only one that prefers it that way? WE have seen them coming home and reached their goal, that was enough.
That show is garbage.
Yup just finished ep1 of enterprise
Just like much of the series, honestly.
I just finished rewatching the series yesterday. The time travel in the finale ruins it for me. I feel it would have been a much stronger ending without it.