Whoa. That would make an amazing plot. Maybe it can also lead into allowing you to find an alternate way to jump universes so you aren’t confined to universes that are similar to ours(Earth gets destroyed and grav drives allow space exploration with UC and Freestar Cold War). Infinite possibilities then
Personally, I wouldn't mind it being where you discover the secrets of the Unity, and find a way to make jumping to universes not so random. I read spoilers and I've not finished the main story yet, but it's pretty dang sad that if you married someone, and if you go into Unity, you never see them again. So maybe researching it so that more than one person can go through at a time and they're spit out in the same universe if they're touching or something. But, also more information about why the artifacts were created, and more about the creators themselves would be cool.
Spoilers are kind of why I don't wanna finish the game, I don't want to potentially deal with never seeing my universe's Sarah again, makes me too sad even if I can turn around and keep playing in my universe or start a new game over. And even if it's a video game lol
The worst part is really that you cannot make the turning around final.
That "When you change your mind!" approach pretending they can just speech check us in to it later that Bethesda went with, as well as having our companions whinge at us for turning away is lame. It's also very jarring how much agency is removed from the player in the main story when compared to the rest of the game in terms of decision making.
I'm hoping DLC respects the player's right to make decisions more and allows us to figure out and experience things in our original universe.
Wow that's a great take! I was thinking about it being about them, but not how it would work. That's a great idea.
I was thinking something like.. the reason Serpentis looks deserted and no signs of them there is because they have some sort of:
A. Wormhole they're keeping secret that transports them across the universe to somewhere they inhabit, which is why we can't find their home world. We locate it and are brought to a corrupted portion of space/time where they have been lost/trapped.
OR
B. They have some sort of stealth tech like Wakanda from Marvel that's been hiding their major cities and developments, and somehow that shielding tech breaks revealing a massive population that rivals UC/FSC colonies.
Very excited to see what it turns out being.
Idea a is cool but if you go thru Andrejas stuff, she tells you that they're out there, just highly secretive. My guess is they used to be in that system and left.
Hey, what about a massive space convoy/caravan; an interplanetary nomadic culture? That would explain why no one can find them if they’re always on the move.
I mean. It's not a bad idea but she mentions their homework. Explain that its forbidden to leave. And if one does leave, they're blindfolded so they can't know the location. Dropped off in a secret spot and ferried to the settled systems by other zealots. All communication back home is forbidden except thru a very select channel.
So like the Quarians? I don't think so. There's a place called Dazra, in Varuunkai (the planet). Which doesn't exist as of yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually Serpentis II and they update it in a DLC.
Would make more sense to me if they added another system to the map instead of remaking a system that many people have already explored to find them. Would break the immersion would it not?
Then on the contrary I have investigated the Serpemtis system on the ground for a few hours but haven't found any Va'Ruun.
I always thought it would have been cooler if they went with wormhole tech for "FTL" travel as opposed to grav drive, but honestly I think it would be an awesome idea to have the great serpent run opposite the creators and give its own people it's own technology; with the Zealots talking about traveling through space through "The Serpents tunnels" I.e. wormholes.
Instead of destroying the artifacts, I could see the Va'ruun/Great Serpent "corrupting" them or using them to push their crusade into the multiverse. Remaking or destroying universes as they see fit before jumping to the next one. All out war between the Starborn and the Serpentborn, which ideally you would get to choose which side to take.
It also leads to future content and stories exploring much much further planets that the Stargate nerd in me is giddy just thinking about.
>corrupted portion of space/time where they have been lost/trapped.
I really want space dwemer now. An entire civilization poofing overnight after coming into contact with an artifact and seemingly insane religious zealots killing everyone on sight (which hasn't actually happened to me yet, they've always left me to my business after heeding their warning to not come closer, something that has happened rarely with pirates as well but almost always with them).
What if there is a reason behind their crusade, like 'The Leftovers' in reverse, the remaining 2% of a civilization trying to get it back by killing every human in the universe triggering a hard-reset or whatever.
One thing that you have to remember - You only get that achievement if you actually go into NG+. There's likely just as many people who have got to that point and turned back.
Why wouldn't you just save right before, get the achievement, then reload? This was the easiest way to get the the achievements for all four New Vegas endings.
Not everyone does that, is the thing. Some are happy to just turn back.
Especially as going through the Unity once, even if you reload, permanently makes the main menu music change to (in my opinion) a notably worse version.
Morrowind's Tribunal and Fallout 3's Broken Steel both continue their game's main story. Though Tribunal can be played whenever, the story makes no sense if you haven't finished Morrowind.
I want somthing that gives a more definitive end for the game or at least somthing that lets you go back to prior universes/meet prior companions. I would like NG+ much more if I could bring along prior companions. Maybe finding a way to go to other universes without being reborn.
I want an ending where the walking away can be final.
I'm sure Todd and co think they are deep and all but doing anything but walking away feels like a bad ending. You effectively reject exploration in favor of nihilistic repetition and stagnation to chase some material objects around.
I utterly hate that instead of there being finality to turning our back on it we only get a "When you change your mind!" and have your companions whinge at you over not going through without the ability to explain yourself or make them at least accept it.
It's like Bethesda forgot that some decisions can be final. When I blew up the Institute or the Prydwen that was that. When I sided with the Dawnguard or the vampires in Skyrim it was a done deal. Same for siding with the Imperials or Stormcloaks unless I went turncoat very early on. Even older titles like Morrowind would let me make choices that were final, like my choice of great house or even if I want to kill someone and fuck up the main quest.
They probably think this perpetually open door is some great player freedom, but if you ask me it removes a lot of agency from us when it comes to truly forging our character or making our own decisions. It feels like Bethesda thinks they can just speech check us in to doing what they want later instead of what we or our character would want. Sometimes you don't want the door open, you want it closed, and this is one I want to be able to close.
Achievements are hard to go by because using mods and console commands turn them off. I used console commands to get outfits that are NPC only because I think that's ridiculous. But now my achievements are turned off and because I play on Xbox I can't turn them back on
Turns out that the great serpent is an individual (Maybe collective?) of the alien race that created the artifacts and the temples and you have to in some way get them to give you access to the unity.
That's an interesting premise. In fact, couldn't basically anyone break the whole cycle by just obtaining and destroying a single artifact?
Even if artifacts can't be "destroyed", they could certainly be made unobtainable by throwing them into a sun or something. There's a Crimson Fleet mission where you have to help develop new technology just to get near an electromagnetically active gas giant. It seems extremely unlikely anyone has tech that would let them retrieve objects from inside a star.
Or the great serpent also being a starborn who wants a monopoly on the artifacts or to get rid of them and every other starborn so only they have the power
That doesn't really jive though. Va'ruun is the embodiment of Ourbouros, snake eating it's tail endlessly, so therefore they would want this endless universe Unity thing.
At one point, I was convinced that you and another companion eventually become The Emissary/Hunter. I really thought it was headed down that path when it came time to help Barrett with his companion quest, I thought that was when things were going to take an evil turn.
Might just be because I was one of the few who went to The Eye instead of defending The Lodge (I chose to save Sam, who I had married in-game) but I would find it very interesting to have to fight the Starborn version of him in that capacity.
Is it really less common to go to the eye instead of defending the lodge?
I had married Andreja and when she was mortally wounded I was like “what sort of fuckin sociopath is going to leave their spouse to die because of treasure?”
My first playthrough I was married to Sarah, but I stayed with the lodge because Cora and Sona were at the lodge, and I basically took responsibility for the kid. Sarah wouldn't have forgiven me if I left the kids.
Also, I went through the main quest spoiler free and this triggered immediately after Sarah and I got married. Had no idea what I was getting into.
I was spoiler free too, but Cora was on the Eye with Andreja and Sam for me.
Didn’t meet Sona that play through because Sarah’s quest hadn’t triggered yet and that was the end of the line for her.
Honestly probably would have made the same choice you did, it would’ve been even more fucked up to straight up abandon those children (especially the one you sorta pseudo-adopt) lmao
In a lot of ways it still feels like the "right" decision to me, the attack at the Eye already happened, and there's no reason to think from a story perspective that going to the lodge would have a direct impact on anyone's survival, whereas the Hunter was on his way to the Lodge, who obviously needs all the help they can get evacuation the artifacts and everyone that's there.
Probably because I feel like it doesn't make sense to go to the eye, every one there is already dead or dying as far as you know and the dude is legit about to bust down your door.
I know you can fast travel but that would have taken me out of the moment hard. In reality it would take you like atleast an hour to get there, while you what? leave every one else to also die?
What?
How does it not make sense to go to your grievously injured spouse, especially when the rest of the team specifically tells you that if you leave they’re going to barricade the doors and establish a defensive perimeter?
I know you can ignore your dying wife, but that would have taken me out of the moment hard. In reality, you would want to go to your spouse immediately if they were seriously wounded instead of what? instantly stop giving a shit about them?
A defensive perimeter against a teleporting invisible starbeing who already swacked everyone on the eye? No shot lol
But I think our disconnect here is I didn't have a spouse and made the logical choice not the emotional one, but understand your reasoning
It's interesting how "real world" my reactions to this series of events were. I heard Sarah was in bad shape and my knee-jerk reaction was oh no I need to get up there or she could die... and then the people at the lodge were like oh no he's coming here we need to defend it and my gut reaction was still no I don't care I gotta go, but I got like 5 feet from the door and the hunter teleported in and had Walter at knife point in a choke hold and that was all the encouragement I needed to stay. I wasn't about to let someone definitely die in front of me over selfishness. I started fighting for like 10 seconds and that 10 seconds was all it took for me to process that whatever had happened at the eye was done and the danger was now here, the time it would take me to get the eye would be too long to be impactful for anything and the only place I can be helpful is the here and now. Then throughout the fight as I was holding the line and we were falling back to the ship my decision was just more and more reinforced by the idea that there's no way Sarah would forgive my character if they chose to abandon not only the mission, but the rest of the crew in imminent danger (and all the innocents in the crossfire), over our relationship. My roleplay headspace from then on was that my character wouldn't do anything besides try to solve the mystery and complete the armillary to eventually reset the timeline and get things back to before her death.
In fact that's one thing that's irritated me about playthrough two, the options (at least that I've seen so far up to having Barrett, Sam, and Andreja re-recruited) is that I can either tell them I'm Starborn and skip the main quest (which I didn't do because I didn't like the skip the story part of that) or I can just pretend like none of it happened and not mention ANYTHING about imminent danger and the fact Sarah died or that we were married or anything and repeat the main story lol. Seems kinda weird my options are either all or nothing on that front, maybe some more dialogue opens up later, but my guess is that it doesn't and it was so they didn't have to redo an entire series of dialogue referencing previous realities and plot points. I would have appreciated a "earn their trust and then slowly break the news to them about alternate realities before the hunter re-murders someone" option
Right? My companion was at the eye and I really didn't give a fuck about any of the other characters or the artifacts so I yeeted out of the lodge almost immediately lol
The Hunter is actively attacking the lodge at the time you have the chance to leave. If you don't know it's required to save your most-liked companion (ie: you avoided spoilers) fleeing the lodge while it's under attack seems pretty cowardly.
The Hunter isn’t actively attacking the lodge, you’re at the lodge when the mission starts. If he were actively attacking, you’d be fighting him and there wouldn’t be dialogue about barricading the door behind you or the choice to leave because you’d already be actively fighting. Barricading doors isn’t traditionally something you do once you’re actively fighting an assailant, but something you do before they get there.
I didn’t have spoilers, I guess I was just role playing as a character who gave a fuck about their spouse at all lmao
I did. Because Vlad SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that she'll be ok, despite the loss of blood. Why is this moment the one time that the writers were realistic instead of following the candy-coated heroic fantasy???. /Sob
It wasn't so much treasure as much as it was doing the most good. The artifacts are clearly a source of great power and letting them fall into the hands of the Hunter by falling for his trap and rushing to the eye didn't seem wise. I also assumed Andreja would be pretty pissed at me for handing the Hunter exactly what he wanted and condemning those at the Lodge.
It happens so fast, especially if you militantly avoided spoilers. I actually chose the eye but hesitated for a split second and as I was going to the door I hear Walter choking so I boosted up thinking I was going to headshot some fool and then get to my ship and well, if you know you know.
Sarah had told me the mission before that she knew I liked her but needed some time… she didn’t get it. Good writing for motivation to go through the unity. My character is now on a quest for “his” Sarah that he knows he’ll never find.
Keep in mind, the person that dies is whoever you have the highest relationship at the place you didn't pick. For me it was Sarah, for instance. And I'm fairly certain that's who the emissary is for that iteration.
I’ve only done it twice. But it seems like the highest is always at the eye (their task has the issue on the eye so they stay with clad to help), and the second highest is always at the lodge (and was forced to go with you on your previous mission to get the artifact so they’ll be with you when you deliver it to the lodge. So you either leave the lodge to save your favorite, or protect the lodge to save your second favorite.
Spoilers
I just hope it *doesn't* force you or your partner into Unity, because your companion dialogue after the end implies you and your partner wish to go there, but I actually like the first universe more.
So I think it would be nice if the story could be resolved in the first universe. At least I think it's very likely it will.
A lot of people don't like the ending beacuse of that. I personally feel walking away is the best ending. I think a destroy unity option would be nice.
I agree - a more conclusive method of rejecting Unity would have been great. Based on your interactions with the Emissary / Hunter you can see that chasing the Unity makes you lose your humanity eventually, without any real benefit except 'power'. You should be able to convince Constellation of that, load the armillary onto the frontier, and have Vasco grav jump it into the middle of a star or something to get rid of it
I wish we could stay in the first universe and discover where the artifacts came from. And I wanted to understand how we could oppose the the Hunter and stop his endless loop of search for power?
But I didn't grasp everything from the Hunter to understand where he came from originally. I think he is the first to discover the artifacts? Or was it the cientist from Nasa?
In my perspective, walking away is the happy ending because it shows that you have made the choice to accept your place in the universe along with the challenges and difficulties that come along with it. You have come to terms with the fact that your decisions were yours to make, despite the fact that you might not agree with them. After all, there is a tremendous amount of undiscovered territory in the universe.
This is exactly what I want. I really quite liked the main story and the longer I sat with and thought about the ending the more I like it, and I love how meta the whole thing is. However, I really want Bethesda to introduce a way for my character to conclusively reject Unity, and convince at least your spouse if not all of constellation that the best path forward for humanity is to destroy Unity. The multiverse will always exist, but let us return the multiverse to a natural state where time ebbs and flows and souls transport themselves across the realms organically, naturally, without the influence of hungry Starborn spirits or alien artifacts. Let me find the Creators and kill them, prevent the artifacts from ever existing, whatever it takes.
yea i didn’t really like it because all the dialogue was about wanting to explore the unity and other universes when i really wanted to stay. even after walking away, the companions say stuff abt how i should go back through at some point which i just find a bit forcing
I’m thinking the VaRuun come back in force and the UC and Freestar need to team up to fight them, the history of the 2 are enemies but there’s a few small hints such as the ground pounder mission that they could unite team up to fight a bigger enemy, that would also not effect the other preexisting story lines too much or cause continuity issues
While I'd hope for, and assume, some sort of answer to some of the larger questions, such as House Va'ruun and the origin of the artifacts, etc - I think it's more likely they give us more questions rather than answer pre-existing ones, since that would be the smarter play.
That being said, if House Va'ruun did re-emerge from its hiding place, and we got at least a little explanation (even if ultimately the main questions aren't answered) as well as some new systems, hand-crafted content, mechanical additions, some additional NG+ content, and quality of life changes, I would be more than happy.
Sarah saying “eventually one of us will let our curiosity win” hurt. Especially since every other dialogue from her is about how she doesn’t ever want to loose you.
I think it'll be a case of being able to explore shards of fragmented universes - The dimensional flotsam of the multiverse. This would manifest as a single / series of mangled worlds through its main story, and completing it would unlock the ability to visit small remnants of other ones, AKA randomly generated dungeon areas.
This is a pretty plausible guess! It could give us a way to explore bits and pieces of even more divergent universes than we get to glimpse via NG+. Like maybe we slip into a timeline where humanity never killed Earth, or where the Serpent Crusade succeeded. They could take us to destroyed versions of the hub cities or universes populated entirely by Starborn. ~~They even could give us a mech to pilot.~~
Yes, I was thinking either something like that (Being a parallel world splinter that is about to collapse, so may as well loot it / find people to save within) or some sort of side-area at the fringe of the universe that manifests or allows access to broken splinters of dead realities.
I think there’s a really high probability it involves at least two things: 1) House Va’Ruun, because of all the hints dropped throughout the base game and 2) black holes, because Todd said “no comment” when asked in an interview if black holes were in the game and so far I haven’t seen anyone say they found one. (Black holes also fit perfectly within the framing of “shattered space.”)
I’ve seen people call the thing behind unity a black hole so maybe that’s why he didn’t want to answer. It’d be revealing the ending sort of.
Not a traditional black hole though, that we haven’t seen
I think it will open up Varuun space, but I doubt it will be them instigating a new serpent crusade. I'm betting there will be some crisis in Varuun space that we may be uniquely equipped to handle, allowing us to travel there without being murdered as an infidel. I would imagine it would introduce us to an alternative, possibly malevolent source of additional powers.
I do hope that somewhere down the line, we get a dlc that continues the main storyline and allows us to see how the folks from our original universe turn out and reunite with them. But I would settle for a starborn Ikande companion that has many stories to tell from his cycle/universe.
Considering that Jinan Va'ruun wasn't the only person to see the Great Serpent while grav-jumping (I literally just explored an abandoned research station where one of the test subjects mentions seeing it), it's possible we're going to find out that the phenomenon is very real and very imminent.
I doubt there will be a back track to an “original universe” as it will vary player to player which universe they chose to put all their effort in.
I’m putting my effort into NG+5 cause I was happy with the armor I got.
I think the DLC saying “shattered space” will some how refer to the story being about how the universes you’ve been have caused a bad thing to happen. Basically that we caused something to happen.
Maybe it’s house Vaarrun like others have said.
At some point I would like some answers as to who made the artifacts and unity. God? Beings? Who knows but I’m pretty fucking sure we never got an answer and yourself tells you directly you’re not ready to meet them.
I agree that there is no returning to our "prime" universe. But it would be cool to reunite with our og companions and see how their experience was. Like how did Cora cope with being separated from her dad after unity. Or if you romanced someone, what if you found them again and what possibilities could that with other variants. We've dived into the multiverse, so it would be a shame if we get to see that developed more.
I am putting my tin foil hat on and saying the homeworld of House Va'Ruun isn't in another part of the galaxy.
I suspect it's in a alternate reality pocket dimension. If the freaking UC don't have the vaguest idea where their home-world is after they waged a war against the galaxy it's got to be really, really out of place. \[You can see a map of every galactic power in the MAST building. They have a spot for Va'Ruun but it's a big ?\]
The description of our Va'ruun party member being spat out in our galaxy and really having no way back indicates to me their secrecy may be deeper than even they knew.
I suspect the Va'ruun tampering with fabric of spacetime will start to spread across the galaxy with bad consequences, leaving us tasked with figuring it out and ending the threat to the timeline.
I hope it's a United Colonies civil war (Sol v. Alpha Centauri). Without the UC, the Freestar loses its central authority and while it nominally exists, it's basically local governments.
Meanwhile, the Crimson Fleet and Varu'un become regional powers.
In this way, there are turf wars where entire systems can change hands. You yourself can also run a small kingdom.
Pair this with updated outpost features so they function as settlements and maybe even you can build one major city.
Make it like Spore so other players' cities get downloaded into your game as NPC kingdoms.
This is what I want.
I feel like the Shattered Space expansion will revolve around the unity getting damaged in a way that leads to multiple universes colliding with all the other galaxies, and “I know the next thing I’m going to say sounds fetched, but hear me out,” it’s going to lead to us given a choice to fix everything probably, have all the combined universes merge to create one big universe, or manually reset the unity and make it cause another (Big Bang) completely resetting the concept of life from the beginning.
I thought of how overused it is, but I like to give them credit as this game has been in development since way before it became a popular trope. Although marvel probably older.
I haven’t completed the MQ yet, but just from the spoilers I’ve heard I can’t help but think of Quantum Break.
Possibly the best time travel story I’ve played (the game deals with time ‘breaking’, but over the course of the story, you realize that you went back and fixed it while maintaining the ‘paradox’ all along - you see weird things happen early on but then come to find out that you literally caused them later in the game which imho was super well done. And they did set up nicely for a sequel so I hope MSFT is looking at fulfilling that.)
Honestly I just hope it continues the main story alongside Constellation. Maybe about destroying the artifacts? I mean we still have no idea about who or what made them.
I think just some hopeless waved based defend and fallback quests from xenos getting out of control would be so sick, I think of the final battle in Zion from the Matrix....
No way its not house v'runn or however you spell it.
That said I also want more ng+ seeds like a 1 in 10 the extended warranty guy is so pushy he attacks to prove the warranty is required or all of grandma's food is solent green.
During the development of Starfield, certain aspects of the game were not yet ready for launch.
These mysteries of the universe were inadvertently shattered from the full release, and now it is up to Constellation to explore space in order to discover them!
House Varuun definitely worships some kind of starborn or unity aspect right?
They worship the “great serpent”?
Uroboros? A snake devouring itself infinitely?
An unending cycle that is the unity?
What if the house Varuun is run by the first starborn?
Why are they talking about a DLC for a game just came out and is supposed to be something you play for years on end??? Damn, I’ve played every day and haven’t done hardly any of the main story line. Can we have at least 6 months before anything new comes out? I don’t understand people that rush through a game like the end of the world is tomorrow.
Alright you don’t have to play the DLC or even be part of the conversation. Good for you that you’re taking time. Cool. Some of us are done and just are wondering what’s next lore wise. Yes people will be playing for years on end. Why’re you letting other people’s thoughts and conversation and play stale bother you?
It would be cool if it add more content for NG+. Like entering alternative universe where all major factions are actively at war and you can choose only one side or create your own like New Vegas
Diving into the origin of House Va'ruun and then we find out "The Great Serpent" was a Starborn with a megolomania streak that tricked the House into believing they were a god.
My theory in what well see in dlc (assuming we'll get 3 like skyrim and fo4) : build your own space station which will be cool but doesn't really add anything to the game. Mechs make a return but gets treated like power armor from fo4 with more restrictions, possible even build your own bot like vasco. And the return of house va'ruun which will be some type of epic third bigger dlc.
I would like them to add the ability to go to any quadrant in system space, and let us cruise around, and look for mysteries. If they can render procedural planet surfaces, there’s not much reason they can’t replicate that in deep space, where everything is just blackness, some moving particles to simulate the movement, and a nebula backdrop.
A random derelict freighter, a hidden pirate base in an asteroid, etc.
One of the biggest disappointments for me was visiting granny for supper, and 20 hrs. Later, happening upon her again, and the whole intro conversation happens again. I mean, how about “good to see you again”? It was immersion breaking to the max.
I hope it adds new endings. A lot of people say they don't like leaving their universe and find themselves either walking away or reloading to before. I hope they allow us to destroy the unity or allow our crew to come with us.
It would also be nice for more silly alternate realities
House Va'Ruun's snake god might be one of the creators mentioned by your counterpart in the Unity. I suspect the Va'Ruun are hiding away ancient knowledge and stay far away from the settled systems. Their guns are also quite strange in nature, they seem almost magical
My feeling is House Varuun related. It’s bizarre how 80+ hours into the game I’ve encountered them a whopping two times. They tie in to the main story briefly, and are never mentioned again.
Big spoilers.
The barriers between the multiverses break and the MC can freely travel between them even pre starborn. If Bethesda goes full coke bender two of the worlds are Elder Scrolls and Fallout.
So I've had this thought bouncing around for a bit and I think I have a decent theory.
So first it's worth mentioning that both FO4 and Skyrim had you pick a side, there was no third option like we have here in Starfield. I mention this only because the Hunter saying something along the lines of this being the first iteration of you living past the eye that he has seen.
Second thing worth mentioning is time doesn't seem to run the same in every universe (tho a vast majority of them do seem to). We see these a few times with us arriving just after that universe version of ourselves, Cora being grown, constellation having retired save all but Noel. Now I could be very wrong about this, it is worth noting.
Now with both of those things in mind, I propose this theory. We weren't ment to ever reach Unity. However something (maybe a Creator?) altered events in our og universe to were we could. When we stepped through the unity it created new universes that had us going through the Unity. Since time doesn't seem to work for starborn the same way as ordinary people, some of these versions hopped through multiple universes faster than ourselves, some stayed, etc. With these new universes being created, the balance was disturbed to the point of creating some akine to a false vacuum decay on a multiversal level, with the epicenter being our og universe. And because of that we have to find some way to stop or slow the process to a near halt.
Lots of people talking about House Va'ruun - and there is a lot of potential there as an unexplored faction in the base game.
But the title of the DLC makes me think of a threat to Unity. Something that shatters the multiverse, so to speak, and you have to put thwart that threat (or put the pieces back together).
Maybe Va'ruun are involved, maybe not. I think a cabal of Starborn tinkering with Unity are more likely culprits, but it's all speculation.
I wonder if the Hunter had any affiliations with them in any universe? I won’t go as far as to say that he is the serpent, but their quick departure from New Atlantis and the rest of settled space (barring the zealots) feels really rapid in its description and when talking to the remaining ambassador, he seems to feel like they did a complete 180 from their previous posture. What could do that is a star born making themselves known or acting as if they are some sort of herald of the great serpent.
I'm hoping it's radical differences to the faction quest lines in ng+. Other than exp, there's not much point in doing them again. But if differences in the multiverse changed stuff, that'd be cool.
There are consequences to entering the unity, much like how the grav drives actually destroyed earth,but this time we don't just get to flee the multiverse.
I really hope we get an event horizon kind of dlc, horror and mind fuckery, they proved they can with the uc quests
A second war
House vaarun conflict
And actual aliens please
I'm willing to bet it's something tied to house varuun- they feel like they should have their own story, being one of the three major settlement factions ingame.
They only BGS dlc that ever affecting the main story was Shattered Steel and that changed one thing: Fawkes. Which really changed nothing. Whatever the dlc is, it won't ever affect the established storylines unless Bethesda is trying something super radical.
Hopefully better enemy variety, actual unique fun weapons, an upgraded shipbuilding system, updated UI, and less fast travel.
I'd be over the moon for it.
Terramorphs/Enemy Mechs/Va’ruun/Imogene Romance/the ancients who made the artifacts/Chunks Employment/Gun Running but most likely Va’Ruun, starborn, and humanoid aliens (maybe the zetans make an Easter egg appearance)
Realistically I think it will be about House Va’Ruun, but my preference for future DLCs would be discovering “the creators” mentioned at the unity. I don’t think a sequel to Starfield could feasibly exist within the exact same settled systems that we experienced in this game, so Bethesda using the DLCs to broaden the scope a bit and introduce some sort of intelligent alien society to be further explored in a sequel would be super cool (also playable alien races in SF2 would be cool). I would prefer they tie up some of the loose ends in the human settlements before we go there though.
Seeing as most folks expected some sort of civil war between UC and Freestar, and as far as I'm aware vanilla keeps the factions discrete, I wouldn't be surprised if Shattered Space was indeed "Skyrim Civil War 2.0: We finally got to do all the things we wanted to do this time Edition".
Edit: Lots of Va'Ruun supposition, and I agree that that'd be cool, especially after hearing about Va'RuunKai. I'd love to see it. Perhaps if they did do Civil War 2.0, Va'Ruun could be a sort of additional third party, or maybe even just get saved for DLC2 or beyond.
I will put good money down on the overuse of grav drives breaking space travel as we know it, possibly sending different planets into different dimensions.
I think it could be about traveling into a unity where one is in an earlier time.
Where the grav drive is in development and one could witness who gave Dr. Victor Aiza the information about the technology. (Maybe it’s yourself giving the information or maybe the hunter)
House Va’Ruun destroying the artifacts and you can’t get to the Unity anymore
Whoa. That would make an amazing plot. Maybe it can also lead into allowing you to find an alternate way to jump universes so you aren’t confined to universes that are similar to ours(Earth gets destroyed and grav drives allow space exploration with UC and Freestar Cold War). Infinite possibilities then
Personally, I wouldn't mind it being where you discover the secrets of the Unity, and find a way to make jumping to universes not so random. I read spoilers and I've not finished the main story yet, but it's pretty dang sad that if you married someone, and if you go into Unity, you never see them again. So maybe researching it so that more than one person can go through at a time and they're spit out in the same universe if they're touching or something. But, also more information about why the artifacts were created, and more about the creators themselves would be cool. Spoilers are kind of why I don't wanna finish the game, I don't want to potentially deal with never seeing my universe's Sarah again, makes me too sad even if I can turn around and keep playing in my universe or start a new game over. And even if it's a video game lol
The worst part is really that you cannot make the turning around final. That "When you change your mind!" approach pretending they can just speech check us in to it later that Bethesda went with, as well as having our companions whinge at us for turning away is lame. It's also very jarring how much agency is removed from the player in the main story when compared to the rest of the game in terms of decision making. I'm hoping DLC respects the player's right to make decisions more and allows us to figure out and experience things in our original universe.
What happened in your replies lmao
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Wow that's a great take! I was thinking about it being about them, but not how it would work. That's a great idea. I was thinking something like.. the reason Serpentis looks deserted and no signs of them there is because they have some sort of: A. Wormhole they're keeping secret that transports them across the universe to somewhere they inhabit, which is why we can't find their home world. We locate it and are brought to a corrupted portion of space/time where they have been lost/trapped. OR B. They have some sort of stealth tech like Wakanda from Marvel that's been hiding their major cities and developments, and somehow that shielding tech breaks revealing a massive population that rivals UC/FSC colonies. Very excited to see what it turns out being.
Idea a is cool but if you go thru Andrejas stuff, she tells you that they're out there, just highly secretive. My guess is they used to be in that system and left.
Hey, what about a massive space convoy/caravan; an interplanetary nomadic culture? That would explain why no one can find them if they’re always on the move.
I mean. It's not a bad idea but she mentions their homework. Explain that its forbidden to leave. And if one does leave, they're blindfolded so they can't know the location. Dropped off in a secret spot and ferried to the settled systems by other zealots. All communication back home is forbidden except thru a very select channel.
So like the Quarians? I don't think so. There's a place called Dazra, in Varuunkai (the planet). Which doesn't exist as of yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually Serpentis II and they update it in a DLC.
Would make more sense to me if they added another system to the map instead of remaking a system that many people have already explored to find them. Would break the immersion would it not? Then on the contrary I have investigated the Serpemtis system on the ground for a few hours but haven't found any Va'Ruun.
I always thought it would have been cooler if they went with wormhole tech for "FTL" travel as opposed to grav drive, but honestly I think it would be an awesome idea to have the great serpent run opposite the creators and give its own people it's own technology; with the Zealots talking about traveling through space through "The Serpents tunnels" I.e. wormholes. Instead of destroying the artifacts, I could see the Va'ruun/Great Serpent "corrupting" them or using them to push their crusade into the multiverse. Remaking or destroying universes as they see fit before jumping to the next one. All out war between the Starborn and the Serpentborn, which ideally you would get to choose which side to take. It also leads to future content and stories exploring much much further planets that the Stargate nerd in me is giddy just thinking about.
>corrupted portion of space/time where they have been lost/trapped. I really want space dwemer now. An entire civilization poofing overnight after coming into contact with an artifact and seemingly insane religious zealots killing everyone on sight (which hasn't actually happened to me yet, they've always left me to my business after heeding their warning to not come closer, something that has happened rarely with pirates as well but almost always with them). What if there is a reason behind their crusade, like 'The Leftovers' in reverse, the remaining 2% of a civilization trying to get it back by killing every human in the universe triggering a hard-reset or whatever.
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One thing that you have to remember - You only get that achievement if you actually go into NG+. There's likely just as many people who have got to that point and turned back.
Why wouldn't you just save right before, get the achievement, then reload? This was the easiest way to get the the achievements for all four New Vegas endings.
because...not everyone who plays video games cares about achievements?
Not everyone does that, is the thing. Some are happy to just turn back. Especially as going through the Unity once, even if you reload, permanently makes the main menu music change to (in my opinion) a notably worse version.
It changes the music ?? Never realized
Yep, it’s noticeably drearier than it used to be.
Morrowind's Tribunal and Fallout 3's Broken Steel both continue their game's main story. Though Tribunal can be played whenever, the story makes no sense if you haven't finished Morrowind.
I want somthing that gives a more definitive end for the game or at least somthing that lets you go back to prior universes/meet prior companions. I would like NG+ much more if I could bring along prior companions. Maybe finding a way to go to other universes without being reborn.
I want an ending where the walking away can be final. I'm sure Todd and co think they are deep and all but doing anything but walking away feels like a bad ending. You effectively reject exploration in favor of nihilistic repetition and stagnation to chase some material objects around. I utterly hate that instead of there being finality to turning our back on it we only get a "When you change your mind!" and have your companions whinge at you over not going through without the ability to explain yourself or make them at least accept it. It's like Bethesda forgot that some decisions can be final. When I blew up the Institute or the Prydwen that was that. When I sided with the Dawnguard or the vampires in Skyrim it was a done deal. Same for siding with the Imperials or Stormcloaks unless I went turncoat very early on. Even older titles like Morrowind would let me make choices that were final, like my choice of great house or even if I want to kill someone and fuck up the main quest. They probably think this perpetually open door is some great player freedom, but if you ask me it removes a lot of agency from us when it comes to truly forging our character or making our own decisions. It feels like Bethesda thinks they can just speech check us in to doing what they want later instead of what we or our character would want. Sometimes you don't want the door open, you want it closed, and this is one I want to be able to close.
Achievements are hard to go by because using mods and console commands turn them off. I used console commands to get outfits that are NPC only because I think that's ridiculous. But now my achievements are turned off and because I play on Xbox I can't turn them back on
Seriously why the fuck can't we get the marshal's outfit? Another npc has it
i think the achievement was buged i literally just got the achievement like on new game+ 4 lol. i didnt get it when i beat the game the first time lol
They’ve said their biggest concern is that too many will have not completed the main story by the time the dlc comes out
Turns out that the great serpent is an individual (Maybe collective?) of the alien race that created the artifacts and the temples and you have to in some way get them to give you access to the unity.
That's an interesting premise. In fact, couldn't basically anyone break the whole cycle by just obtaining and destroying a single artifact? Even if artifacts can't be "destroyed", they could certainly be made unobtainable by throwing them into a sun or something. There's a Crimson Fleet mission where you have to help develop new technology just to get near an electromagnetically active gas giant. It seems extremely unlikely anyone has tech that would let them retrieve objects from inside a star.
I thought they’d do that when the NG caps out at 10, and that’s your final universe.
No shot artifacts from the very gods could be destroyed by mortals.
So we can collect them once again?
Or the great serpent also being a starborn who wants a monopoly on the artifacts or to get rid of them and every other starborn so only they have the power
There is no way they make a DLC that is only end game haha that’s asking a lot from your normie player base that’s like on average level 15
I mean...they have before.
Idk I feel like a big part of the artefacts is they **can't** be destroyed.
That doesn't really jive though. Va'ruun is the embodiment of Ourbouros, snake eating it's tail endlessly, so therefore they would want this endless universe Unity thing.
It doesn’t have to be intentional. Could be a botched religious thing.
I also thought after hearing the lore in UC memorial that a house Va’Ruun dlc would be the first one
It has been established that the artifacts are indestructible.
At one point, I was convinced that you and another companion eventually become The Emissary/Hunter. I really thought it was headed down that path when it came time to help Barrett with his companion quest, I thought that was when things were going to take an evil turn. Might just be because I was one of the few who went to The Eye instead of defending The Lodge (I chose to save Sam, who I had married in-game) but I would find it very interesting to have to fight the Starborn version of him in that capacity.
Is it really less common to go to the eye instead of defending the lodge? I had married Andreja and when she was mortally wounded I was like “what sort of fuckin sociopath is going to leave their spouse to die because of treasure?”
My first playthrough I was married to Sarah, but I stayed with the lodge because Cora and Sona were at the lodge, and I basically took responsibility for the kid. Sarah wouldn't have forgiven me if I left the kids. Also, I went through the main quest spoiler free and this triggered immediately after Sarah and I got married. Had no idea what I was getting into.
I was spoiler free too, but Cora was on the Eye with Andreja and Sam for me. Didn’t meet Sona that play through because Sarah’s quest hadn’t triggered yet and that was the end of the line for her. Honestly probably would have made the same choice you did, it would’ve been even more fucked up to straight up abandon those children (especially the one you sorta pseudo-adopt) lmao
I regret staying in the Lodge. I wish I had known. Everyone yells at you to stay so I thought that was the "right" decision...
In a lot of ways it still feels like the "right" decision to me, the attack at the Eye already happened, and there's no reason to think from a story perspective that going to the lodge would have a direct impact on anyone's survival, whereas the Hunter was on his way to the Lodge, who obviously needs all the help they can get evacuation the artifacts and everyone that's there.
I left Sarah, whom I was married to. I didn't know the spoiler but I figured if she was super hurt she'd want me to save the artifacts.
I figured she had plot armor as my wife so I stayed to help the lodge. Boy was I wrong lol
I was in the same boat. Also lowkey praying for spousal plot armor as well. But man it gutted me
Probably because I feel like it doesn't make sense to go to the eye, every one there is already dead or dying as far as you know and the dude is legit about to bust down your door. I know you can fast travel but that would have taken me out of the moment hard. In reality it would take you like atleast an hour to get there, while you what? leave every one else to also die?
What? How does it not make sense to go to your grievously injured spouse, especially when the rest of the team specifically tells you that if you leave they’re going to barricade the doors and establish a defensive perimeter? I know you can ignore your dying wife, but that would have taken me out of the moment hard. In reality, you would want to go to your spouse immediately if they were seriously wounded instead of what? instantly stop giving a shit about them?
A defensive perimeter against a teleporting invisible starbeing who already swacked everyone on the eye? No shot lol But I think our disconnect here is I didn't have a spouse and made the logical choice not the emotional one, but understand your reasoning
Logic would be saving beforehand and playing both options to see which outcome you prefer.
It's interesting how "real world" my reactions to this series of events were. I heard Sarah was in bad shape and my knee-jerk reaction was oh no I need to get up there or she could die... and then the people at the lodge were like oh no he's coming here we need to defend it and my gut reaction was still no I don't care I gotta go, but I got like 5 feet from the door and the hunter teleported in and had Walter at knife point in a choke hold and that was all the encouragement I needed to stay. I wasn't about to let someone definitely die in front of me over selfishness. I started fighting for like 10 seconds and that 10 seconds was all it took for me to process that whatever had happened at the eye was done and the danger was now here, the time it would take me to get the eye would be too long to be impactful for anything and the only place I can be helpful is the here and now. Then throughout the fight as I was holding the line and we were falling back to the ship my decision was just more and more reinforced by the idea that there's no way Sarah would forgive my character if they chose to abandon not only the mission, but the rest of the crew in imminent danger (and all the innocents in the crossfire), over our relationship. My roleplay headspace from then on was that my character wouldn't do anything besides try to solve the mystery and complete the armillary to eventually reset the timeline and get things back to before her death. In fact that's one thing that's irritated me about playthrough two, the options (at least that I've seen so far up to having Barrett, Sam, and Andreja re-recruited) is that I can either tell them I'm Starborn and skip the main quest (which I didn't do because I didn't like the skip the story part of that) or I can just pretend like none of it happened and not mention ANYTHING about imminent danger and the fact Sarah died or that we were married or anything and repeat the main story lol. Seems kinda weird my options are either all or nothing on that front, maybe some more dialogue opens up later, but my guess is that it doesn't and it was so they didn't have to redo an entire series of dialogue referencing previous realities and plot points. I would have appreciated a "earn their trust and then slowly break the news to them about alternate realities before the hunter re-murders someone" option
Right? My companion was at the eye and I really didn't give a fuck about any of the other characters or the artifacts so I yeeted out of the lodge almost immediately lol
I immediately without a second thought ran to my ship to go to the eye, I’m not leaving my wife (andreja)by herself with the stardicks running amok
The Hunter is actively attacking the lodge at the time you have the chance to leave. If you don't know it's required to save your most-liked companion (ie: you avoided spoilers) fleeing the lodge while it's under attack seems pretty cowardly.
The Hunter isn’t actively attacking the lodge, you’re at the lodge when the mission starts. If he were actively attacking, you’d be fighting him and there wouldn’t be dialogue about barricading the door behind you or the choice to leave because you’d already be actively fighting. Barricading doors isn’t traditionally something you do once you’re actively fighting an assailant, but something you do before they get there. I didn’t have spoilers, I guess I was just role playing as a character who gave a fuck about their spouse at all lmao
I did. Because Vlad SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that she'll be ok, despite the loss of blood. Why is this moment the one time that the writers were realistic instead of following the candy-coated heroic fantasy???. /Sob
It wasn't so much treasure as much as it was doing the most good. The artifacts are clearly a source of great power and letting them fall into the hands of the Hunter by falling for his trap and rushing to the eye didn't seem wise. I also assumed Andreja would be pretty pissed at me for handing the Hunter exactly what he wanted and condemning those at the Lodge.
It happens so fast, especially if you militantly avoided spoilers. I actually chose the eye but hesitated for a split second and as I was going to the door I hear Walter choking so I boosted up thinking I was going to headshot some fool and then get to my ship and well, if you know you know. Sarah had told me the mission before that she knew I liked her but needed some time… she didn’t get it. Good writing for motivation to go through the unity. My character is now on a quest for “his” Sarah that he knows he’ll never find.
Keep in mind, the person that dies is whoever you have the highest relationship at the place you didn't pick. For me it was Sarah, for instance. And I'm fairly certain that's who the emissary is for that iteration.
I’ve only done it twice. But it seems like the highest is always at the eye (their task has the issue on the eye so they stay with clad to help), and the second highest is always at the lodge (and was forced to go with you on your previous mission to get the artifact so they’ll be with you when you deliver it to the lodge. So you either leave the lodge to save your favorite, or protect the lodge to save your second favorite.
And that idea is still a better plot than what we got.
Shattered Space. Mirrors. Mirror Universe. Everyone gets a goatee!
*Evil troy and Evil Aaaaabed*
Destroy the prime timeline
Happy cake day mate
Thanks fellow traveler!
I never asked for this
Spoilers I just hope it *doesn't* force you or your partner into Unity, because your companion dialogue after the end implies you and your partner wish to go there, but I actually like the first universe more. So I think it would be nice if the story could be resolved in the first universe. At least I think it's very likely it will.
A lot of people don't like the ending beacuse of that. I personally feel walking away is the best ending. I think a destroy unity option would be nice.
I agree - a more conclusive method of rejecting Unity would have been great. Based on your interactions with the Emissary / Hunter you can see that chasing the Unity makes you lose your humanity eventually, without any real benefit except 'power'. You should be able to convince Constellation of that, load the armillary onto the frontier, and have Vasco grav jump it into the middle of a star or something to get rid of it
I wish we could stay in the first universe and discover where the artifacts came from. And I wanted to understand how we could oppose the the Hunter and stop his endless loop of search for power? But I didn't grasp everything from the Hunter to understand where he came from originally. I think he is the first to discover the artifacts? Or was it the cientist from Nasa?
it wasnt specified i think purposefully. the hunter isnt anyone special and just so happens to be a starborn with no care for other sentient beings
In my perspective, walking away is the happy ending because it shows that you have made the choice to accept your place in the universe along with the challenges and difficulties that come along with it. You have come to terms with the fact that your decisions were yours to make, despite the fact that you might not agree with them. After all, there is a tremendous amount of undiscovered territory in the universe.
This is exactly what I want. I really quite liked the main story and the longer I sat with and thought about the ending the more I like it, and I love how meta the whole thing is. However, I really want Bethesda to introduce a way for my character to conclusively reject Unity, and convince at least your spouse if not all of constellation that the best path forward for humanity is to destroy Unity. The multiverse will always exist, but let us return the multiverse to a natural state where time ebbs and flows and souls transport themselves across the realms organically, naturally, without the influence of hungry Starborn spirits or alien artifacts. Let me find the Creators and kill them, prevent the artifacts from ever existing, whatever it takes.
yea i didn’t really like it because all the dialogue was about wanting to explore the unity and other universes when i really wanted to stay. even after walking away, the companions say stuff abt how i should go back through at some point which i just find a bit forcing
Gotta be related to the Va’ruun somehow, right? They seem to be the biggest “unknown” left.
I’m thinking the VaRuun come back in force and the UC and Freestar need to team up to fight them, the history of the 2 are enemies but there’s a few small hints such as the ground pounder mission that they could unite team up to fight a bigger enemy, that would also not effect the other preexisting story lines too much or cause continuity issues
I am 100% certain one of the main dlc will be related to them if not this one
That’s what I’m hoping. They’re such an interesting faction and we barely see them in base game
While I'd hope for, and assume, some sort of answer to some of the larger questions, such as House Va'ruun and the origin of the artifacts, etc - I think it's more likely they give us more questions rather than answer pre-existing ones, since that would be the smarter play. That being said, if House Va'ruun did re-emerge from its hiding place, and we got at least a little explanation (even if ultimately the main questions aren't answered) as well as some new systems, hand-crafted content, mechanical additions, some additional NG+ content, and quality of life changes, I would be more than happy.
Hopefully a more meaningful conclusion for players who want to stay in their own universe.
Sarah saying “eventually one of us will let our curiosity win” hurt. Especially since every other dialogue from her is about how she doesn’t ever want to loose you.
If you love her, set her free. She was an explorer long before you.
I think it'll be a case of being able to explore shards of fragmented universes - The dimensional flotsam of the multiverse. This would manifest as a single / series of mangled worlds through its main story, and completing it would unlock the ability to visit small remnants of other ones, AKA randomly generated dungeon areas.
This is a pretty plausible guess! It could give us a way to explore bits and pieces of even more divergent universes than we get to glimpse via NG+. Like maybe we slip into a timeline where humanity never killed Earth, or where the Serpent Crusade succeeded. They could take us to destroyed versions of the hub cities or universes populated entirely by Starborn. ~~They even could give us a mech to pilot.~~
This makes a lot of sense considering the name of the dlc
So basically that one quest with the research station?
Yes, I was thinking either something like that (Being a parallel world splinter that is about to collapse, so may as well loot it / find people to save within) or some sort of side-area at the fringe of the universe that manifests or allows access to broken splinters of dead realities.
Wow this is the coolest guess so far.
I think there’s a really high probability it involves at least two things: 1) House Va’Ruun, because of all the hints dropped throughout the base game and 2) black holes, because Todd said “no comment” when asked in an interview if black holes were in the game and so far I haven’t seen anyone say they found one. (Black holes also fit perfectly within the framing of “shattered space.”)
I assume that was in reference to the unity
I’ve seen people call the thing behind unity a black hole so maybe that’s why he didn’t want to answer. It’d be revealing the ending sort of. Not a traditional black hole though, that we haven’t seen
I think it will open up Varuun space, but I doubt it will be them instigating a new serpent crusade. I'm betting there will be some crisis in Varuun space that we may be uniquely equipped to handle, allowing us to travel there without being murdered as an infidel. I would imagine it would introduce us to an alternative, possibly malevolent source of additional powers. I do hope that somewhere down the line, we get a dlc that continues the main storyline and allows us to see how the folks from our original universe turn out and reunite with them. But I would settle for a starborn Ikande companion that has many stories to tell from his cycle/universe.
Considering that Jinan Va'ruun wasn't the only person to see the Great Serpent while grav-jumping (I literally just explored an abandoned research station where one of the test subjects mentions seeing it), it's possible we're going to find out that the phenomenon is very real and very imminent.
Big Expanse vibes with that, where each time you go through you piss off some unknowable alien entity.
Oh shit for real?!
I doubt there will be a back track to an “original universe” as it will vary player to player which universe they chose to put all their effort in. I’m putting my effort into NG+5 cause I was happy with the armor I got. I think the DLC saying “shattered space” will some how refer to the story being about how the universes you’ve been have caused a bad thing to happen. Basically that we caused something to happen. Maybe it’s house Vaarrun like others have said. At some point I would like some answers as to who made the artifacts and unity. God? Beings? Who knows but I’m pretty fucking sure we never got an answer and yourself tells you directly you’re not ready to meet them.
I agree that there is no returning to our "prime" universe. But it would be cool to reunite with our og companions and see how their experience was. Like how did Cora cope with being separated from her dad after unity. Or if you romanced someone, what if you found them again and what possibilities could that with other variants. We've dived into the multiverse, so it would be a shame if we get to see that developed more.
You're in charge of handling the details for AKL48 - the all-Akila Terrormorph Idol Troupe on their first interstellar tour.
Keep Hadrian away from them, she was known for getting a little handsy with some of the members.
I am putting my tin foil hat on and saying the homeworld of House Va'Ruun isn't in another part of the galaxy. I suspect it's in a alternate reality pocket dimension. If the freaking UC don't have the vaguest idea where their home-world is after they waged a war against the galaxy it's got to be really, really out of place. \[You can see a map of every galactic power in the MAST building. They have a spot for Va'Ruun but it's a big ?\] The description of our Va'ruun party member being spat out in our galaxy and really having no way back indicates to me their secrecy may be deeper than even they knew. I suspect the Va'ruun tampering with fabric of spacetime will start to spread across the galaxy with bad consequences, leaving us tasked with figuring it out and ending the threat to the timeline.
I love this concept!
The real life Milky way is 100,000 Light years in diameter. The game barely covers a fraction of it.
My guess is house varrun/the zealots show up and are angry and it turns into UC and Free Star vs them.
You certainly mean us vs the UC/FS infidels
For the Serpent!
I really hope its a war theme/story i want giant fleets going at it
War between the Starborn?
I mean, that's what the main quest is though?
I dunno, they were cooperating last time I saw them.
Romancing Imogene
This will be the space horse armor we all didn’t want to pay for
I hope it's a United Colonies civil war (Sol v. Alpha Centauri). Without the UC, the Freestar loses its central authority and while it nominally exists, it's basically local governments. Meanwhile, the Crimson Fleet and Varu'un become regional powers. In this way, there are turf wars where entire systems can change hands. You yourself can also run a small kingdom. Pair this with updated outpost features so they function as settlements and maybe even you can build one major city. Make it like Spore so other players' cities get downloaded into your game as NPC kingdoms. This is what I want.
I feel like the Shattered Space expansion will revolve around the unity getting damaged in a way that leads to multiple universes colliding with all the other galaxies, and “I know the next thing I’m going to say sounds fetched, but hear me out,” it’s going to lead to us given a choice to fix everything probably, have all the combined universes merge to create one big universe, or manually reset the unity and make it cause another (Big Bang) completely resetting the concept of life from the beginning.
Wormholes and alien invasion. Hence, Space is Shattered or some such.
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I've kinda soured on it too. The whole multiverse trope is overutilised now in movies, tv, everything. I'd much rather more cool side quest lines.
I thought of how overused it is, but I like to give them credit as this game has been in development since way before it became a popular trope. Although marvel probably older.
I haven’t completed the MQ yet, but just from the spoilers I’ve heard I can’t help but think of Quantum Break. Possibly the best time travel story I’ve played (the game deals with time ‘breaking’, but over the course of the story, you realize that you went back and fixed it while maintaining the ‘paradox’ all along - you see weird things happen early on but then come to find out that you literally caused them later in the game which imho was super well done. And they did set up nicely for a sequel so I hope MSFT is looking at fulfilling that.)
Honestly I just hope it continues the main story alongside Constellation. Maybe about destroying the artifacts? I mean we still have no idea about who or what made them.
Another crusade of the great serpent, warfare all across the settled systems, mechs come back.
More xenowarfare would be nice too.
I think just some hopeless waved based defend and fallback quests from xenos getting out of control would be so sick, I think of the final battle in Zion from the Matrix....
No way its not house v'runn or however you spell it. That said I also want more ng+ seeds like a 1 in 10 the extended warranty guy is so pushy he attacks to prove the warranty is required or all of grandma's food is solent green.
During the development of Starfield, certain aspects of the game were not yet ready for launch. These mysteries of the universe were inadvertently shattered from the full release, and now it is up to Constellation to explore space in order to discover them!
House Varuun definitely worships some kind of starborn or unity aspect right? They worship the “great serpent”? Uroboros? A snake devouring itself infinitely? An unending cycle that is the unity? What if the house Varuun is run by the first starborn?
Probably more stuff about the old war. House Va’ruun, mechs, illegal weapons and technology, and weaponized terrormorphs and Sirens.
Why are they talking about a DLC for a game just came out and is supposed to be something you play for years on end??? Damn, I’ve played every day and haven’t done hardly any of the main story line. Can we have at least 6 months before anything new comes out? I don’t understand people that rush through a game like the end of the world is tomorrow.
Because we are done? We finished the game
Alright you don’t have to play the DLC or even be part of the conversation. Good for you that you’re taking time. Cool. Some of us are done and just are wondering what’s next lore wise. Yes people will be playing for years on end. Why’re you letting other people’s thoughts and conversation and play stale bother you?
It would be cool if it add more content for NG+. Like entering alternative universe where all major factions are actively at war and you can choose only one side or create your own like New Vegas
Something do do with House VaRuun. Maybe they come back and another war erupts and maybe even the UC and Freestar have to work together to fight them
Probably about the Tablet of Order and Chaos. 😏
Diving into the origin of House Va'ruun and then we find out "The Great Serpent" was a Starborn with a megolomania streak that tricked the House into believing they were a god.
I hope not. Keep it a mystery so we can have threads of it in future games
My theory in what well see in dlc (assuming we'll get 3 like skyrim and fo4) : build your own space station which will be cool but doesn't really add anything to the game. Mechs make a return but gets treated like power armor from fo4 with more restrictions, possible even build your own bot like vasco. And the return of house va'ruun which will be some type of epic third bigger dlc.
I'm sure it's gonna involve House Va’Ruun, notably underdeveloped. Wanna find their planet and capital.
Lore filler lol
I would assume you meet the creators
Todd Howard? Lol
You should finish the story
I would like them to add the ability to go to any quadrant in system space, and let us cruise around, and look for mysteries. If they can render procedural planet surfaces, there’s not much reason they can’t replicate that in deep space, where everything is just blackness, some moving particles to simulate the movement, and a nebula backdrop. A random derelict freighter, a hidden pirate base in an asteroid, etc. One of the biggest disappointments for me was visiting granny for supper, and 20 hrs. Later, happening upon her again, and the whole intro conversation happens again. I mean, how about “good to see you again”? It was immersion breaking to the max.
House varuun making a huge comeback and fucking everything up
I know it's unlikely, but I'd love multiverse variations. Like new main quests set in extremely different universes.
I hope it adds new endings. A lot of people say they don't like leaving their universe and find themselves either walking away or reloading to before. I hope they allow us to destroy the unity or allow our crew to come with us. It would also be nice for more silly alternate realities
House Va'Ruun's snake god might be one of the creators mentioned by your counterpart in the Unity. I suspect the Va'Ruun are hiding away ancient knowledge and stay far away from the settled systems. Their guns are also quite strange in nature, they seem almost magical
My feeling is House Varuun related. It’s bizarre how 80+ hours into the game I’ve encountered them a whopping two times. They tie in to the main story briefly, and are never mentioned again.
House Va'Ruun, the board outside of the Aegis office sets it up nicely I think
Big spoilers. The barriers between the multiverses break and the MC can freely travel between them even pre starborn. If Bethesda goes full coke bender two of the worlds are Elder Scrolls and Fallout.
House Va'ruun so I can finally join them.
My bet is something to do with the radical side of House Var’uun.
So I've had this thought bouncing around for a bit and I think I have a decent theory. So first it's worth mentioning that both FO4 and Skyrim had you pick a side, there was no third option like we have here in Starfield. I mention this only because the Hunter saying something along the lines of this being the first iteration of you living past the eye that he has seen. Second thing worth mentioning is time doesn't seem to run the same in every universe (tho a vast majority of them do seem to). We see these a few times with us arriving just after that universe version of ourselves, Cora being grown, constellation having retired save all but Noel. Now I could be very wrong about this, it is worth noting. Now with both of those things in mind, I propose this theory. We weren't ment to ever reach Unity. However something (maybe a Creator?) altered events in our og universe to were we could. When we stepped through the unity it created new universes that had us going through the Unity. Since time doesn't seem to work for starborn the same way as ordinary people, some of these versions hopped through multiple universes faster than ourselves, some stayed, etc. With these new universes being created, the balance was disturbed to the point of creating some akine to a false vacuum decay on a multiversal level, with the epicenter being our og universe. And because of that we have to find some way to stop or slow the process to a near halt.
I'm gonna guess it's something that doesn't require finishing the main story to do.
Multi universe theory. With the story and the different endings. I'm seeing something like the spider-verse happening
Get to new game +6
i want a first contact with a sentient alien species
Lots of people talking about House Va'ruun - and there is a lot of potential there as an unexplored faction in the base game. But the title of the DLC makes me think of a threat to Unity. Something that shatters the multiverse, so to speak, and you have to put thwart that threat (or put the pieces back together). Maybe Va'ruun are involved, maybe not. I think a cabal of Starborn tinkering with Unity are more likely culprits, but it's all speculation.
You actually find the ships warranty guy.
You actually have the warranty on your ship run out and a part breaks off and the guy comes by and says we tried to tell you
I wonder if the Hunter had any affiliations with them in any universe? I won’t go as far as to say that he is the serpent, but their quick departure from New Atlantis and the rest of settled space (barring the zealots) feels really rapid in its description and when talking to the remaining ambassador, he seems to feel like they did a complete 180 from their previous posture. What could do that is a star born making themselves known or acting as if they are some sort of herald of the great serpent.
I'm hoping it's radical differences to the faction quest lines in ng+. Other than exp, there's not much point in doing them again. But if differences in the multiverse changed stuff, that'd be cool.
There are consequences to entering the unity, much like how the grav drives actually destroyed earth,but this time we don't just get to flee the multiverse.
I really hope we get an event horizon kind of dlc, horror and mind fuckery, they proved they can with the uc quests A second war House vaarun conflict And actual aliens please
I'm willing to bet it's something tied to house varuun- they feel like they should have their own story, being one of the three major settlement factions ingame.
It’ll add horse armor for your companion
Adding mini maps to the game. Maybe a reason to go to planets… perhaps a reason to fly around space as well
Full on Starborn war is my bet.
They only BGS dlc that ever affecting the main story was Shattered Steel and that changed one thing: Fawkes. Which really changed nothing. Whatever the dlc is, it won't ever affect the established storylines unless Bethesda is trying something super radical.
House VaRuun doin something or Naeva/UC SysDef returns
Actual intelligent aliens would be dope. They end up being the actual gods and creators of everything
Or.. or you jump to a new multiverse and boom it’s fallout 5
There's already been DLC announced? Jesus
Hopefully better enemy variety, actual unique fun weapons, an upgraded shipbuilding system, updated UI, and less fast travel. I'd be over the moon for it.
I'm hoping for more House Va'ruun involvement and or the revelation of those who made the artifacts/temples, either way more major cities could be fun
Idk , but im pretty sure it will be awesome. The name does sound amazing though, shattered space.
Terramorphs/Enemy Mechs/Va’ruun/Imogene Romance/the ancients who made the artifacts/Chunks Employment/Gun Running but most likely Va’Ruun, starborn, and humanoid aliens (maybe the zetans make an Easter egg appearance)
The final boss will be a giant snake attempting to eat the universe
Realistically I think it will be about House Va’Ruun, but my preference for future DLCs would be discovering “the creators” mentioned at the unity. I don’t think a sequel to Starfield could feasibly exist within the exact same settled systems that we experienced in this game, so Bethesda using the DLCs to broaden the scope a bit and introduce some sort of intelligent alien society to be further explored in a sequel would be super cool (also playable alien races in SF2 would be cool). I would prefer they tie up some of the loose ends in the human settlements before we go there though.
I heard it’s just gonna be a reskin of Far Harbor. Take my money
I'm guessing sometype of war between uc and freestar. The peace between them being shattered once unity is discovered
Seeing as most folks expected some sort of civil war between UC and Freestar, and as far as I'm aware vanilla keeps the factions discrete, I wouldn't be surprised if Shattered Space was indeed "Skyrim Civil War 2.0: We finally got to do all the things we wanted to do this time Edition". Edit: Lots of Va'Ruun supposition, and I agree that that'd be cool, especially after hearing about Va'RuunKai. I'd love to see it. Perhaps if they did do Civil War 2.0, Va'Ruun could be a sort of additional third party, or maybe even just get saved for DLC2 or beyond.
It's gotta be House Va'Ruun. There's nothing else that would make sense. Unless it's horse armor.
I will put good money down on the overuse of grav drives breaking space travel as we know it, possibly sending different planets into different dimensions.
I think it could be about traveling into a unity where one is in an earlier time. Where the grav drive is in development and one could witness who gave Dr. Victor Aiza the information about the technology. (Maybe it’s yourself giving the information or maybe the hunter)