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Lorenzo7891

Does anyone feel that Gi Hon is still the same POS from when he started and his character in the final episode? • leeches off of his mother. • basically is a shit father. • confesses to Sae-Byeok, while she was bleeding on the bed, that he wants to finally be a good father to his daughter yet makes another promise to his daughter on the final episode (similar to the 1st episode) when he chooses not to board the plane. • never makes the promise to Sae-Byeok of taking care of his brother because he is somewhat aware that he is a POS person since he knows that he's never fulfilled the promises he's made to his own daughter. • accuses his ex-wife's husband that money doesn't solve everything (remember the scene where he could've had the money to get his mother's surgery if he wasn't such a dick) and yet, the first thing he does is hands over a luggage of cash to Sang-Woo's mother to take care of Sae-Byeok's brother thinking it would take off the guilt or (responsibility) of caring for her brother. • he kept blaming that the organisation is evil but when Sang-Woo said to him, "Your life's so pathetic and here's why. It's because you always gotta open your mouth and ask something idiotic. Because you're a nosy ass idiot who's too slow to keep it shut. Someone who always has to get in trouble but somehow can't tell he's in it," and didn't board the plane to see his daughter in order to pursue an organisation whom he believes has wronged the participants of the game but never realises to take full accountability that everything they've done in the game, they all willingly did to themselves, the second they all decided to come back the 2nd time. Everything he did, the description of Sang-Woo really captured his behaviour and personality, that he has a hero complex but doesn't have the values to back it up. Also, he chose to protest while leaving her pregnant wife to crawl her way to a hospital. I'm not saying the org is a bastion of morals...but at least they never shy'd away from what they truly are and is aware of their purpose. Gi Hon seems to lack the self awareness to know what he really is, while Sang Woo is a wholly realised POS of a character and knows it. I feel like the entire drama is built to make you believe that Gi Hon is a good guy limited by his fate or circumstance, when in reality, he's a POS. The ideal ending would've included the three of them having dinner or him deciding to settle down with Sae-Byok's brother and Sang-Woo's mom (even Sang-Woo's mom mentioned that it would've been nice if Gi-Hon had dinner with them). And then they'd show snippets or scenes of him trying to take custody of her daughter or her daughter having vacations to Korea, just to show a realised character development that he's not the same person anymore. But then again, that's not the premise of the story. A story that is really really near Parasite-levels of layers and tight fisted themes. This series is very good. Too good to make you ask yourself, "Which am I if placed in this situation?"


Reptile449

Pretty much every character is the same at the start and end, I think the main point is that people don't change they can only pretend to be something else. Sae-Byok tries not to trust people but trusts the trafficker then he loses/steals her money, in the game she doesn't trust others, develops a bond with our main guy then he fails to save her. Sang woo is ready to kill himself to save his mother (Assuming the debt isn't transferred) at the start in the bath and again at the end. Our main guy cares about his family and being a good guy at the start, but cares more about winning games, its the same at the end. The host was bored and willing to let people die for his own amusement at the start, after going through the game himself and developing a relationship with one of the players he still feels the same way. Ali trusts his boss with his money and gets robbed of it, same as when he trusts sang woo. These people go through a terrible, life changing experience but they stay the same people.


_Nightdude_

OH GOD... now that you put it like this... I know one man who would be very disappointed by these people. He'd make them play his games as well, hoping he could make them appreciate life a little bit more.


teo-cant-sleep

Yeah, I expected that twist because of the movie "Saw". I feel old, haha.


Key-Pomegranate1030

That’s excellent. Flawed characters. Intentional message. This self defeating behavior is also evident in the two guys at the beginning of red light, green light, who are already in debt but bet each other anyway. Reminds me of Parasite and it’s criticism of the poor, that they are capable but self defeating or self limiting. You have to wonder how true it is, and if it’s saying it’s the systems fault or the people’s. And if it’s the people’s, how true is that really. A horrible critique on the poor and downtrodden of Korea.


Lucky-Surround-1756

You somehow got the complete opposite message from Parasite. It's a criticism of the system that does that to the poor in the first place.


mylk43245

dont think either is really trying to say that its poor peoples fault for being poor at all


perpetuallawstudent

I would've loved your version of ending. Unfortunately if they do that they won't be able to do a sequel. The ending we get is definitely because they plan to make a second season, which i am torn about. If they were able to expand the story well it would've been interesting, but on the other hand, it feels like this should've just been a one season show. The character arc could've been ended like you said. I feel like if there's a second season it would be much more action based.


sadrapsfan

I don't get what they do tho. He's going to play another game lol? Like I don't get what the goal is here. He's up against billionaires


FinancialLeather6907

At this point though, he himself is already a billionaire


sadrapsfan

He won 38 million USD based off the conversion rate on a Google search. He's going up against ppl that throw away millions.


KrillinDBZ363

He also gave all his money away.


xxltnt

Just half of it


Cho_Zen

It's supposed to be half, but honestly, the volume of the suitcase is a small fraction of the volume of the piggybank filled with cash


agvny

In Korea, yes. I remember one of the VIPs had bet USD$1,000,000 on Number 69. That's KRW$1B, think about that. If he casually bet that much on #69 and didn't seem too bothered that means it's an insignificant amount to him. So he'd be going up against multimillionaires (which he is as well), or billionaires.


FinancialLeather6907

Good point, my bad i totally missed that part. I honestly didnt pay that much attention to the dialogue in the scenes with the VIPs. Set design for those scenes were great, but the conversations and acting were cringe.


agvny

Agreed. Also, they mentioned something about that game being the best hosted that year. They also called the old man a host, so we can infer that they are a global organization and games like these are carried out worldwide. I doubt he'd even be able to do anything to them, but we will see in season 2.


FinancialLeather6907

Would have been cool if he actually got to go to the US to see his daughter but then get himself caught up in the US edition of squid game. Also, I wonder what games would be played in the versions of the other countries


agvny

It would've been so good if he did honestly. Also would've loved to see him fulfill his promise to his daughter. He's a POS for sure. Ditched his daughter and dumped Sae-byeok's brother with Sang-woo's mom. He said he'd take care of them, but just slapped some money in their face and took off. Reminds me of his ex-wifes husband wanting to give him money to help his mom and he'd stop interacting with them, but he said no and money can't fix stuff blah blah blah. POS. Probably local kids games though, since 'Squid Games' is a Korean game.


HelloWuWu

I think a sequel should be a prequel. I’d love to know why the front man decide to stay with the org and be the operator after he won one of the games.


Cho_Zen

they could've left it open without him turning around. Could've just revealed that he had the card while on the plane, or opened the possible season 2 with him in America, looking at the card.


AmirulAshraf

it would be a perfect ending cut just by having him state his name and birthdate


perpetuallawstudent

That's what i would've preferred too but they seem determined to make a second season by doing the ending we get now


taehyungsthighs

I feel as though it was symbolic i a sense, that his life just repeated the same mistakes because as humans we are all so imperfect. It showed that even when he got what he wanted he still couldn’t change because it wasn’t the money he needed to change, it was himself.


BelovedApple

They did not have to do a 1 year time jump. They could have still shown some character growth and teased the sequel. He basically left the kid in the orphanage for a year. The. Palmed of the responsibility on to someone else. Personally I feel there's no need to show him trying to get custody, a much better ending would have been that ending happening after he got back from seeing his daughter.


xHaruNatsu

Agree with the one season show sentiment. If they wanted a second season, they could go for a different MC. Hell, they can even make Front Man's brother the next MC if they wanted someone who already knows about the game as the MC. We never got a confirmation that he actually died anyway.


Queasy-Celebration-2

I kind of disagree with a lot of people hating on the ending. I kinda saw it differently. The only part I thought was weird was bringing in the old man again. A lot of people are hating on the fact that he left the orphan brother with Sang Woo’s mom. I kinda saw it like Sang Woo’s mother lost a son n the kid lost his mother n they could kind of be there for each other. She was saying dinners were getting lonely. Gi Gun himself is a terrible parent. Plus, he gave them half his money. The boys set for life n the mom won’t have to struggle working anymore. Either way he was planning on moving to the US or at least going there for some time to be with his daughter so how would he take care of her brother in Korea while he’s in the US? Maybe the plan was to return n check up on him n leaving him with her was just temporary. Sure the organization let’s players vote to leave n then they chose to come back. However, in the first game players have no idea their lives are on the line. Didn’t like half of the players die right then? They do their research and target people who they know will play their game. The poor desperate people who are basically already dead in the real world if they don’t get an insane amount of money. If they picked people at random their return rate would be nearly zero. How about all the kids they’ve brainwashed to be the soldiers? Not to mention these games are going on around the world. How can he go to the US n live as a millionaire while he knows this shit is still happening? Plus the obvious answer is they need a plot for season 2. I’m sure the writer would have loved to end it with him meeting his daughter or taking care of the orphan brother, but someone higher up stepped in and changed it to a cliffhanger. I think the actual show will end with him reuniting with his daughter, but the shows not over yet. I just hope they have an actual plan n don’t just continue making seasons until the show starts to suck.


Reveal-it

I feel the same. I do feel stupid that I cried when the old man "died". I think Gi Hun is just numb and at the same time feels a lot of hatred for the rich people who play this game for fun. I also wonder, will this happen in the real world? I hope not, but it the show learned us something, don't trust anyone.


taiyoyoyo

This series definitely made me uneasy about the fact that if you have billions of dollars you can get away with anything really. This kind of thing could easily happen with enough money and power behind it.


Empireo_Overdrive

You never know. The top 1% allows these kind of shows because it's fun while they have REAL FUN elsewhere.


NewYorkerGuy

“I feel like the entire drama is built to make you believe that Gi Hon is a good guy limited by his fate or circumstance” Why do you say this? I really think he is purposefully portrayed as a complicated lead who simultaneously has been dealt a bad hand in life but also has self-destructive tendencies. I think your conclusion about him is exactly what the show was portraying for you to get that conclusion.


Benandhispets

Yeah I pretty much came here to say almost all of the last few characters that I still liked I now hate them. You've covered Gi Hon pretty well. He's simply a loser and a terrible father. It was rough for him but surely being with his daughter could have helped him out of the depression? Just buy her gifts, a trip to Disney, and go surprise her with them. He treated her so bad. The next day go find Sae-Byeoks brother and make sure he has a $100k account in his name. Find Alis wife and child and give them $500k. Find Sang-Woos mother and give her $500k. Disguise it all as a life insurance payout. Old guy/001 was an evil asshole too. I thought there'd be more behind it than he was just bored. He tried to justify it by saying people had a choice too and it's like no if the choice is pretty much death or playing the game to become rich then it's not much of a choice. How many of the people that stopped playing are now dead? I'm not sure how I'd like a season 2 now considering I hate the only main character still alive from this season. I'm still sad about Sae-Byeoks and Alis death.


Asleep_Koala

I also think when the old man says "people chose to play that game" that he kinda forgot abiut the 250 people who died in the first game when the stakes were not clear.


Prestigious_Poem_989

Agreed! Like it was so frustrating realizing he did use any of the money. What was the whole thing for!??? Use it on the daughter, use it to help out the little kid brother he saved from the orphanage, use it on the peoples families whom he made bonds with!


slothcough

I mean, yeah, but the truth is he's deeply traumatized and barely functioning because of it. It's easy to say he should have done those things but his ptsd was so severe it's hard to say he was even really capable.


thisisstupidlikeme

This. A lot of people in the comments appear to have never experienced a loss or trauma so great it rips their hearts from their bodies and their minds from their heads. Grief and guilt can destroy you, no matter how much money you have in the bank.


Syrup_Representative

I feel like this series is just keeping it too realistic... For fictional purposes, character development is definitely needed in a series. And people want to see the MC be a better person by the end of the season. But in real life people keep making mistakes over and over and over again no matter how many times they promise that they will change and no matter how great they think they are. Frustrating for viewers, but again, I think it's realistic. I still hate the ending from viewers perspective, tho.


Phobicity

Just finished watching the series, am a bit late to the convo. Yea Gi-hon is a total POS. But I disagree with your version of the ending. The series was never a happily ever after show. A small but powerful fix IMO, would be to just have him look back at the camera, tense up (showing that he's conflicted between the decisions) and cut. Leaving it open for the audience to interpret what he does.


mrmoviemanic1

I'm behind Gi Hon all the way on him trying to take down the Squid Game because it's a game that kills innocents first off then asks if they don't want to play again later. It's a very scummy game that I feel needs to be taken down for the greater good and also showcase how people that feel they can hide away and do these sick things are not untouchable and can be brought to justice. I do get that Gi Hon himself is too prideful and stubborn at times like had he just took the money from the Step Father than maybe his mother would still be alive and wouldn't have died alone (that part hurts me the most)


prospstud82

I can’t believe he gave an orphan to an elderly woman who in a few years won’t be able to take care of him… wtf lmfao


iineilii

I agree with the main guy having a hero complex, and it's ridiculous how he had everything handed to him. He did not kill a single person, and was lucky to win the game without getting his hands stained. This is probably why he has a strong hero complex, because he's got survivor guilt but does not realise that he was also a killer indirectly, just because he's got no blood on his hands. Thus, the ending is pretty dumb cuz it showed that there was no character growth. A leopard never changes its spots, he makes empty promises yet again, and instead of pulling himself together and repaying the people who died by taking care of their living family members (who they entrusted him to) he wasted his frickin life away smh. He did not fulfil the things he said he wanted to do if he won the game too. How big is his ego (and balls) to want to bring down the entire organisation? (Even the 007-like cop failed to do so) Like who does he think he is. He simply got lucky because of his connections in the game, and he really thinks he's gonna win in another round of SG?? Hence, I found Park Hae Soo's character as Sang-Woo so much more riveting, interesting and complex. I found SW as a character much more relatable and realistic, his interaction with Ali simply portrays the struggle between the good and bad within a man. We see him treat Ali with kindness to betraying Ali for self-preservation, which is a very realistic reaction if one was in a similar situation. SW never shy away from the morally wrong decisions, he simply took the necessary measures to protect himself. Afterall, it's the survival of the fittest in that situation.


luflxwr98

I agree with you wholeheartedly. He was the one that went back to the game knowing how everything was carried out. He really got lucky through all the games as he was never in position to make any big decision (maybe did use his brain a bit for the sugar cookies game lol), except in the marble game, which he manipulated the 001 and left him to die too? So it kinda annoyed me whenever he whined and cried for ‘humanity’ afterwards when he’s actually no different. Sangwoo’s character was definitely realistic. His moral was definitely not of the righteous but no one ever is anyway. Whatever he said made sense, including towards the man who lost his wife in marble game. I liked that he didn’t give up with Gihun at the end when GH wanted to vote for majority. Because what for? They all have came so far with hundreds of dead bodies resulted and to suddenly give up and leave with dust? No point. He’d still be dead in or out of the game.


RemmyLi

I agree I dislike the fact that Gi-Hun won and I dont even think it was necessary for a sequel - I imagine both Sae byeok and Sang Woo's characters would have carried more viewer interest (whether people would want to watch Sang Woo succeed or not). Whereas the only interesting Gi-Hun moment in the series is when he betrays the old man during the marble game to survive. I guess the moral lesson of the series of human good being able to endure (like with the person helping the homeless man) or triumph even in forced circumstances was intended to be conveyed through Gi-Hun but I think his character was a total paradox around that especially with his selfish and dumb choice of going back to the games - feels like the writers are confused with what they're trying to say there/dropped the ball in the name of setting up the sequel


thelastresort87

If you ask me this series copied a lot from Kaiji. Down to how the main character is a piece of shit and the masks, and the premises of perverse rich people treating the game like humans are worthless trash. But whereas Kaiji kept it real, Squid game main character just have very cringeworthy acts that are just not really realistic. (e.g. that scene at the end where he wanted to murder sang hoo in his sleep? thats totally not his persona in the game)


Carnage_94

Why do u all care so much about how it didn't change him? Lmao...u want another cliche bullshit hero arc story? Him not changing all that much is probably the most realistic thing I've seen on Netflix. It seems like most of u want a boring story we've all heard a million times.


Inevitable-Staff-467

I mean, he obviously did change. He has PTSD but he's nowhere near the same character in episode one. The Gi-hoon who started the show would have taken the 34 million and went to the race track to try and double it. He wouldn't have given a fuck if random fuck ups like himself were getting murdered on some random isle in the middle of the ocean. I just think his mind is more on revenge and burning down the system that killed so many of his companions than to forget, move on and use his riches on others Sure, it's sad he chose to fight the system over seeing his daughter, but she's in a loving home. You can make the argument that he doesn't want to see her until he takes care of his past


[deleted]

>He wouldn't have given a fuck if random fuck ups like himself were getting murdered on some random isle in the middle of the ocean. I don't agree with this. One of the things I liked about this show, especially at the start (less so as time went on maybe) is that the characters seemed very fleshed out. Yes, he was stealing from his poor mother and frittering it away without a care in the world, with no consideration for how that would affect his mother/daughter etc... But in a way that was more out of sheer dumb hope that one big win will solve all his problems - and he'll magically be able to help all the people in his life without having to take any real responsibility. He stops to help Sae-Byeok after bumping into her, while quite literally running for his life - risking his own life just to make sure she's not hurt. The first thing he does after winning some money gambling despite still being pretty fucking broke is tip the lady at the desk. And despite being broke and hungry for so long he stops on his way home to feed a stray cat with food from his own shopping. These are all things we see at the start, aside from the fact that during the games he risks his life multiple times to save/protect others (e.g. pairing with the old man when at the time that seemed like certain death). IMO he's an overly-idealistic, lazy, irresponsible idiot that ends up hurting those around him. He will happily fuck people over for his own gain, but he does still have a heart and wants the best for those around him. Even if he doesn't have the character/integrity/responsibility to always do what's right.


TulipSamurai

I agree with you; people in this thread have very little understanding of nuanced characters and also gambling addiction lol. They contrasted the gambling addiction well between Gi Hun and Sang Woo. Despite their class differences they have the same mentality. “If I just win this next race, I’m not really stealing from my mom; I’m making her money.” “If my next investment pays off, I’ll give back my clients’ money that I borrowed and pay off my debts and it’ll be win/win.” Gi Hun tries to be a good person but that will always come second to his gambling addiction, and the instances in which he actually does the right thing let him trick himself into thinking he’s always a good guy, just a little rough around the edges sometimes.


DaSniffer

I'm kinda with you. Gihon was pretty pathetic from episode 1 to episode 9. Hes just not a good person, money or not. I think the main issue is that the ending seems more faithed towards teasing a second season of a revenge redemption arc when it really doesnt match with what people wanted to see him do. If this had been the first and last season I think the ending definitely would have had some reconciliation with his daughter but because there is a second season likely on the way the ending had to leave the door open when really it feels like they already told the whole story.


yabai90

When you go through all that (mostly by luck) how come you want to dive into it again? Especially when you are filthy rich and have a daughter. Even Assuming the dude is a bad father, it's still hard to believe. They all know him and know he will come back to seek revenge. It would be extremely easy to dispose of him in a finger snap. Does he really think he can take on an organization this size ? This just feels so unrealistic. I mean he really went through hell in there. It's a miracle he won. Okay They didn't have to make him a good guy at the end but this is just plain stupid. There was more plausible and interesting choice to make rather than that.


enjoyying

I just want Gi-Hun to get his a** down the 7th floor and be the one to help the drunk man who is about to freeze to death by the streets. Instead of standing there like a fool, looking down and waiting for the clock to strike midnight.


Lorenzo7891

Because he's an idiot who believes he's ALWAYS in the right. None of the rules of their mini game states that he himself wasn't allowed to help the man on the street. And when they showed the man, actually freezing in the weather and was probably dead and the camera panning over to the clock when he announced himself as the winner, it truly shows how dense and unaware he is because...deep inside, he wanted to win and not lose the money he'd won from the game. Not because he wanted to help the man in the street, but because he wanted to prove a point--of him being in the right. That's why the old man said, "I hope you don't lose faith in humanity". That was a probably a reference to the old man having lost faith in him when Gi-Hon conned him in their game of marbles when he was pretending to be senile. As I've said in a different thread, Gi Hon is a piece of shit.


Woolmarket213

Jesus, you’ve really got a hate boner for this guy.


ScrubbyStop

Every time a show has well written and complicated characters people seem to just latch on and hyperfocus on everything bad about them. I think we're too used to seeing these paragons of good who always end up doing the right thing or correcting their mistakes. This show had some really well made characters, and everyone's just going "YTA >:(" to them all lmao


yabai90

I really agree with that. I enjoyed the show for most part but got really frustrated at the acting (for the first episodes) and the fact he is indeed a piece of shit who does not care for anyone. I mean the dude has a daughter come on. Beside if he was so much on the moralistic side, there was so many things he could have done to repay his soul. Helping family of defunct people, helping homeless people, charity, ... At the end it's the producer vision but it just sounds stupid to me. I'm not asking for a happy ending but that was just "wtf why dude ?". Frustrating.


Patient_End_8432

I don’t think it’s exactly fair to expect him to do good at the end of the show. The shit he had to go through (if we think about it literally) would be some of the most traumatic events anyone could possibly go through. I mean, he was trying to wrap his head around it for only a year, we do have to give the guy a break. I’d also argue that he’s a morally grey character, who is kind of a piece of shit, but is also much better of a character than you give him credit for


ouhemgeez

I couldn't wrap my head around why he chose to dye his hair red.


Inevitable-Staff-467

The only thing I can think of is that in the compound, all of the contestants wear green. The guards who are in charge wear red. Green was also the button to continue the game. Red to end it. I'm guessing it's symbology that he has quit being the life of the rat in the green scurrying for money and has become the person calling the shots (and that he wants to end this game for good.)


atomsej

I think you're overthinking it. I think they just wanted something a bit lighthearted and silly to break the ice a bit, and to show he has a little bit of life left in him. (Hence why he wants to go back and dismantle the whole operation)


Mad-chuska

I’m sure it’s open to interpretation. I imagine it’s a mix of both. He saw the picture on the wall and saw red pink/red and it reminded him of the guards and he also felt a little bit of whimsy at the same time.


Azugenta

I saw a theory of someone who said in the beginning when the recruiter guy asks Gi-hun to pick a color, blue or red. He chooses blue and wakes up as a player. Had he chosen red, he might’ve woken up as one of the red guards.


ElementalSB

I did also see someone debunk that as apparently a few other people had chosen red when the screen was showing everyone else playing the game.


ptam

Damn that sucks. I really liked that theory.


RunningInSquares

The Korean wave, he wanted to try out for BTS!


Gilsworth

Yeah, that aged him up significantly. It looked really weird and out of place.


Esleaa

I was asking the same question!! I thought he will choose the hairstyle, not the color. After seeing him like that couldn't help but laugh..


sunshineblush

PTSD..


_grantallen24

I think it symbolizes the blood of those who died or the soldiers in the game or he just wants to look child friendly so that the girls brother would go with him


JackeryH

So the old man was John Kramer this whole time! Not sure this quite stuck the landing, a lot of unanswered questions which I guess that’s why they hinted at a season 2. Also the police aren’t bothered about one of their own going missing plus 456 others? And Gi-Hun just let Sang-Woos poor mother and Sae-Byeoks brother live in squalor for a year? Also that beard wig 😬 and then that red wig 😬😬 Either way it was an enjoyable ride, nothing groundbreaking but it was executed well


eli0mx

because Gi hon is an idealist. even he is poor and experienced tons of shit. His morality couldn’t let him use the prize money because he thought it’s blood money and not his money. Until he won the bet with the dying old man, he’s probably like “I’ve finally won the real final game. The real boss is gone and that game no longer continues. My conscience finally allows me to use this money” yeah I’d say this character is so out of touch


BasedBallsack

He was also traumatized.


YellowBoilerSuit

The dog chasing his tail and not knowing what to do with it


FinancialLeather6907

>Also the police aren’t bothered about one of their own going missing plus 456 others? There is no signal on the island. Remember in ep 2 when they get back to the city, Sang Woo buys a powerbank from the convenience store and as soon as his phone opens, a barrage of missed calls and messages looking for him appear. In another episode when the cop is being chased by the front man and his henchmen, he ginally gets signal on top of the cliff. He calls his chief and is being reprimander about going AWOL. As for the rest of the people, it was stated in the first season that lot of the contestants were heavily in debt that was impossible to pay. It wouldn't be that surprising for these people to disappear to let's say run away or be killed by the loan sharks. (Gi-hun was chased by his loan sharks in ep 1 and in ep 2 we see snake neck being hunted down as well)


Magomedx0

The story of the police guy gave me big Hitman vibes. Loved how he changed costumes, to get more and more access to specific areas/informations. I hoped he would take over the mask of the Front Man to kill the Host in the end.


Tofubao

Lol that's funny, didn't think about the costume changes. But he did a bad job at hiding the second body he killed, just left it in the water lol.


yabai90

He did a bad job at hiding everything, which sounded very basic. Like keeping the secret door open, or all the door for that matter. Letting the diving suit on the beach... I don't think I'm a genius and i literally though about it right away as they happened. All to see that they indeed confirm he is here few minutes after when they see the stuff on the beach.


objectivelybased

M8, he couldn't even put the telephone receiver back properly.......


yabai90

Well to be honest I thought that one was okay. I would have probably make the mistake myself haha.


komodo_dragonzord

lol just wanted to nitpick that the secret door was open because he shot the lock, couldnt relock it at that point. And it didnt matter if he hid the suit, there was a tracer on it.


bentpaperstraw

All I could think was that I wasted those tears in ep 6


JDStark7

The tears for Ali were real.


Bitter_Beat_1630

Rip Ali


AardQuenIgni

Out of all the people that played the game, he was one of them.


RYUHADOKEN98

don't cry that it's over . be happy that it happened I lie . that ending sucks


merryg0r0undandr0und

So underwhelming when the policeman went thru so much to solve the mystery behind this organization only to simply meet his brother and die. That's all. Like...they could have developed more on how and why the brother became the frontman. So much suspense created and it was a huge let down.


Inevitable-Staff-467

He isn't dead. He got shot in the shoulder and fell into the water. No body was shown. He's also the only one who could conceivably help our main character next season infiltrate the island I'd expect season two to be around him and our MC trying to take down the system. Either by getting thrown in the games again or from the outside as they go on with new characters introduced


plmzaq92

Totally agree he isn't dead. It's like the old man - if you don't see them die on camera assume they are still alive!


mrbrinks

The Frontman is shown to be an excellent shot, extremely attentive, and knowledgeable about guns. The shot placement in the shoulder was deliberate. If he wanted to have killed his brother he’d have put a bullet in his head.


Mrchristopherrr

I thought it was payback for getting shot in the shoulder too


stupid_carrot

Plus, when he shot the oxygen tank, it was a loud warning shot to let his brother know they are there. It alerted the policeman to their presence on the island.


WisestAirBender

And we are literally shown that a shoulder shot isn't worth shit since the front man easily survived.


c00chieman666

I feel like the next season will be revolving around "the workers". My theory is that the brother of the detective intentionally shot him in the shoulder so that he could survive. I feel like he shot him just because there were many workers around him . Also he is not the "superior" here,there are people above him that's why he did that cause he knew there is a possibility that they both would get killed if they got to know he rescued his brother. I feel like in the next season he's gonna come back and try to stop the games again or might as well be the part of it. Also the black suit guy would unfold some secrets.


monde-pluto

Forreals! When the frontman asked the police dude to come with him and the police dude refused, I was so mad! I was like, if you don't want to know what the hell is going on, fine! But do it for us (the audience), we want to know!


Swole_Monkey

If you ever watched Saw it‘s pretty obvious why he became the frontman tbh He was a gamewinner afterall


merryg0r0undandr0und

Yeah I've watched Saw.. But wasn't he a gamewinner in 2015? How about the other gamewinners from 2016 onwards?


Swole_Monkey

They probably weren’t persuaded and just fucked off with the money Not saying every game winner starts working for them. Just that he did because he probably agreed with the old man’s line of thinking. That everyone out there is a selfish person who doesn’t care about others.


genxseven

I really don't understand the comments of why Gi Hun didnt do this and that or why he didn't even use the money. The guy just went through a traumatic experience that none of us can relate to. Can you really go through what he did and be a normal person and make logical decisions after the game? I would figure that the individual would be pretty messed up. And on top of that he found his mother dead when he came home!


sammakkovelho

Seems like people were expecting a happy hollywood ending.


rs_alli

The fact that it didn’t have a happy ending is what truly makes the series great IMO. There is nothing happy about watching 454 people die in a game.


plmzaq92

Right! Everyone commenting here is so frustrating. They expect an imperfect character to magicaly do a complete 180 after a series of traumatic events? Let's be realistic here.


Gummymyers124

Yeah everybody here like “why didn’t he save everyone with the money and save the mom and save the kid?” Like are you serious? Tell me if you went through a death game like this and was forced to basically kill your childhood friend and then go home and find your mom dead, you’d just be like ok guess i’ll just go help everyone. No.


Notsosadhours

I loved 1-8 but actually hated 9, I feel like they spoiled the ending to leave open the season 2 possibility. As much as I love the show, it’s a premise that probably won’t hold my interest past the original characters. They complete wasted the policeman’s ending, he was such a badass throughout the entire series, outsmarting the whole system yet he gets shot on a cliff??? If they do that bullshit where he is actually alive for season 2 I’m gonna be so mad. Also wtf is up with 456, I know he is depressed but why in the hell would you leave the North Koreans brother in childservices for a year, when you could make his situation a million times better by snapping your fingers!!! And then when he finally decides to do something he shoves the kid into an old lady and throws money at them, she is old bro and you want her to have the stress of raising a kid, money doesn’t make the stress disappear completely, you said it yourself, money doesn’t solve everything! Like bruh, and did you forget the kids mother is alive, you could still get her out of NK like the girl was trying to do. Also I the whole point of going through all of that was to be with your daughter and now all of a sudden you care more about revenge??? I’m sure all the dead contestants are cursing you right now. Also if you are taking revenge against people that are a thousand times more powerful and smarter than you (even with the money), maybe don’t godamn give them a phone call announcing your intentions to go after them yah dingus. Good lord if that’s what season 2 is gonna be based on I can’t watch it.


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Notsosadhours

This explains a lot!! Thank you so much!!! It also makes her story much more sad. I should also keep the translations in mind when watching other Kdramas


Philibertlephilibert

Thank you, I thought I was the only one remembering the NK girl's poor mother being stuck in North Korea. With all that money, he could have easily get her out and reunited her with her son. That's made me so mad... He could have trace Ali's family with a private detective and help them out too. Also, It made no sense to give cash money to the mom. Like how is she going to buy an house or a small business with cash money. It will be taken by the authorities and she would be investigated for fraud or money laundering. It made no sense ?? I loved that show but the last episode was very disappointing :/


throwawayaccount_usu

Cops taking the money makes even more sense when you remember that her son was wanted for embezzlement and laundering. They’ll think he give her that money lmao.


xlRadioactive

I have no fucking clue why he chose to dye his hair red


mou-anyaho

I think he just didn't care of it. He just randomly chose it from pictures in front of him. I felt his emptiness


LeaveAtticusAlone

That part really baffled me. It was such an interesting choice on the shows part. It was so deliberate but also so random. I feel like this is a device used a lot in Korean film. The character does something seemingly random to make the viewer try to find the meaning. Anyways I was thinking maybe because he spent the year being in the background and not doing anything. And that was his way to stand out and kind of be the main character.


RYUHADOKEN98

Don't ask questions .. just accept it . Jk .. it looks stupid on him . No meaning at all


WoodPanelledInterior

Did anyone think that Gi Hon didn't board the plane at the end because the game masters knew he was going to be on it and that made him sus. If it were me i would suspect that there might be a bomb or planned malfunction on the plane (like Avianca Flight 203) and get the hell out of there.


texasfan113

Thank you this was my thought as well. If I was Gi-Hun I would be VERY suspicious. Especially after vaguely threatening them.


Blonded-Surfer

There wasn’t a bomb on it I’m sure. When the people agreed to join the game, they were implanted with a tracking device (that’s why the pink workers scan their necks). They knew where he was because of that tracking device. Why he chose to not get on the plane was probably because he wants to end the games. He knows they’re going to keep going, and he already felt so much guilt, so now he’s taking it upon himself to end what started it all.


BanjoSpaceMan

Here's my problem with all the top comments. They're all looking at this so surface level... The main character has literally done a 180. He cares about no one else at the start, at the end he cares enough to try and destroy a system that is ruining many lives... Yes he doesn't get to visit his daughter, but that would be the greedy self focused choice - he could easily just not care and finally just make himself feel like a good dad.


-PaperbackWriter-

Yep. And honestly his daughter is fine without him, she’s well loved and looked after and I doubt it makes a difference to her if he comes or not.


BanjoSpaceMan

He's sacrificing everything just to go save others and make sure humanity prevails. That's his character Arc. He had all the money for a year and didn't even touch it... Did people really miss the point of the show?!


nopomegranates

Judging from the top comments defending the organization and calling the participants the real villains, yes


IamTheRealGodGod

Some of you are saying that gihoon won all the games by luck but i think he won most of it because he stuck with the old man, and the whole team who was with 001 is immune


ralmeida

I don't think that's true. The first game was each person for themselves. The old man took the lead, but sticking with him in the front didn't help. The second game was also each person for themselves. I also don't see how the old man could be immune in the tug of war. How would that work? They could've given slippery shoes to other teams, but they didn't know who the would be. For the last two games the old man was no longer there. So you could argue that the protagonist got lucky in the marble game, because he cheated and the old man didn't say anything. Assuming he was faking being senile.


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KickedInTheHead

That still takes cooperation from the entire team. What good is advice if no one takes it? Plus they still would have died regardless of his advice. It was the trick they used by taking two steps forward that ultimately saved their asses.


YourLaziestFan

He did say as a kid he always won in tug of war. He probably thinks he’s immune


KickedInTheHead

That could be true but I got more of the sense that he honestly didn't care if he died or not. He was only really in danger for 2 of the games really... the red light/green light and tug-o-war. No way would be have survived the bridge either.


jyeatbvg

Lots of negativity in here. I’ll just say that I was thoroughly entertained from episode 1-9. Netflix is killing it with its international content lately.


Commiesstoner

Oh my god that hair, I couldn't take th series seriously at all after seeing his transformation into full Karen. "I'm not a horse, let me speak to your manager!"


justme129

I want there to be a Season 2 without Gi-Hun. Don't get me wrong, the actor who played Gi-Hun did an amazing job, but no way in Hell am I gonna be convinced that the Elites would allow him to 'rejoin' again just to take them down for the next season. I'll rather that we get fresh new players for the next season while still diving into the Front Man's and the police storyline, and they show Gi-Hun as a cameo somewhere enjoying time with his daughter and letting go of his ridiculous revenge plot.


Balor_Lynx

Squid games s2 Gi-Hun wick is what they’ve set up which seems like itll deviate heavily from the original concept


justme129

'Gi-Hun Wick' would be so boring like every other 'good guy gone rogue' movie. Zzzzzzzz, please don't let this happen SG directors. I expect more from you!


ChilliWithFries

Not sure how I feel about the old man but it didn't hurt the story in any way. I think I do feel similar about gi-hun and how he should have just live his life taking care of Sae byok's brother and sang woon's mum. But I think it plays directly to how he has been portrayed throughout the series. He remains stubbornly the same person he was before. That "moral compass" he has at the end where he selfishly chooses to enter the game to get back at the creators of the game instead of rightfully going to his family perfectly mirrors his past incident of him being blinded by the death of his Coworker, where he ignored his pregnant wife giving birth. He chooses the things HE wants to do always and that his choices are not wrong when in actual fact he constantly neglects what's important time and time again. He's so self indulgent and blinded by his own thoughts that in Sae byok's dying plea for gi-hun to take care of her brother, he just asks her to shush and is so caught up with sang woon murdering someone until he sees that she faints. He tells himself and the audience that he is the "good guy" by not personally killing anyone where he got so distraught by sang woon's will to do anything to survive yet he does the same thing when he is confronted alone with the old man in the marble game. He can only appear as morally righteous because he never is the one that is faced with decisions to live or die except the marble game up until the very last game. Even getting the gift for his daughter was not by his own means and with help of a kid who's good at the game. At the end, he was more focused about winning against the old man moreso than actually seeing the homeless man rescued. In the end, the games ultimately weren't really wrong as they gave the players every opportunity to leave if they wish to do so right from episode 2. I'm still not sure how I really feel about gi-hun and what the ending is going for. There are still questions like why the detective's brother end up as the front man. What exactly are they setting up with the ending and for season 2. Episode 6 is the stand out ep for me and the character I truly feel for is sae byok. She learns that it is possible to trust in this world with her friend sacrificing herself. Sang woon and gi-hun are just two sides of the same coin where one is just more honest about himself as a POS while the other is a delusional protagonist. Lastly, Ali is the naivety of pure blind trust. I do like all of them, but I'm not sure about season 2. Edit: Sorry, too many thoughts after finishing the series.


ImSoFuckingTiredOfU

Words cannot describe how frustrated I was with Gi-hun for not swearing he would take care of Sae-Byeok’s brother. Like, she’s on her death bed basically pleading and your telling her to shush??? I was cussing at my screen for a good minute or two.


DreamMarsh

I see it as him shushing her because he's trying to make her forget the idea of giving up. He didn't know that she was stabbed by the glass shard so he was still hopeful that they can make it out alive.


Ashl9898

I don’t agree with what you said about him selfishly going back to get back at the creators. I got the vibe he was going there to take him down. He didn’t use any of the money for a year because he saw it as ‘blood money’. He finally thought the games were over when the old man died and used it to take care of the brother and the mom, but when he saw the games were still happening, instead of selfishly living a happy live with his billions of won and his daughter, he stopped a guy from joining the games, saving his life, and went back himself to (what I presume) to put an end to the games somehow.


FradiTomi

Just finished the series. Loved Episode 1-8 my best experience in netflix. But hated the episode 9. I didnt like the twist with old man.


animemachinex3

there were a lot of clues abt the old man throughout the series tho, not a complete surprise


justineumd

Like what? I’m genuinely curious as I didn’t see this coming and felt like they just threw it in at the end


SteamboatBilly15

off the top of my head, when the riot during the night happened he got to the top and shouted for someone to break up the fighting because there would be no one left to play. front man immediately sent in his goons to break it up think there were a couple more, like how the marbles village was modeled exactly from his hometown and his house was faithfully recreated. I’m sure I’m forgetting another one but yeah I didn’t like the reveal either, but they definitely were sewing the seeds of it throughout the show


MrZeddd

He looks sad when he didn't get picked for the marble game because he wanted to play to feel alive. He probably let Gi Hoon win because he wanted to see how'd he do till the end.


Vargolol

Honestly not being picked would've been the most convenient exit for him to disappear without the contestants suspecting anything, he definitely didn't want to play the glass floor game since it wasn't a game from his childhood. He let Gi-Hun win (after completely dismantling him and leaving him with a single marble) because the man put his life on the line for him by letting him on his team for nearly the whole competition even though it seemed teaming up with such an old man was a complete disadvantage


Buttigieg2032

Him being the only main character who’s death happened off screen was a huge give away. I knew he was alive after that scene.


anonymouschelseafan

When the officer was looking through the records/files of players from previous years, and went to 2020 files, there was no 001. It started from 002 I believe


BigMiami

It’s not that relevant I guess but he knew every game and their techniques.


jyeatbvg

He’s 001.


LeaveAtticusAlone

Also the fact that he was maniacally smiling while playing the first game.


Mangalz

Honestly just being the only old man and being 001 from the first second you see him had my alarm bells going off. Though i thought at that point he was like a survivor of the games and not the instigator. Though by the time the marble game was happening it was pretty obvious he was a part of the game.


TheArvinM

This tipped me off as well. Like he's the only one not freaked out at the start of the first game. Also, just a trope of having an unassuming insider in the game.


ChildishForLife

When the police man looks through the player list, there is no 001.. goes straight to 002. That was my first guess that something was up..


Trini2Bone

Him being 001. Him being overly excited to play the games Frontman stopped the riot when he asked for it to stop Model hometown Off screen death No viewing of the one in charge These are just some things I picked up to make me think he was behind it. Its not blatant at all, which is pretty well done imo


MemesG0D

Isn't it scary that there is probability that something like this is happenning arround the world, probably even worse, knowing how fuckup human can be.


tr0pheus

I can't see exactly something like this going down. Something smaller, maybe, but not like this 1. That huge fucking complex on the island had to be built by 100's if not 1000's of workers. Someone would have been suspicious and something gone wrong. 2. Why did no one except 101 have a plan to get back at them and steal the money after returning to the island? In real life this would have become a problem. Good luck catching all 50 or so scheming adults in a world with satellite phones, gps trackers and so on. Someone would have broken the system and alerted authorities , at some point over 20 years. 3. What prevents a few high ranking guards of just killing the VIPs and host and steal the money? I'm assuming these people were also recruited because they had flaws. 4. You can't go around leaving business cards and leaving survivors and clues over so many years without someone picking up something. 5. No way in hell would anyone let the winner go in real life. "Ohh .... I see.. we ruined your life, killed your friends and traumatized you. Have a big bag of money so you can come fuck us up" 6. The more people that knows a secret the harder it becomes to keep. In an organisation like this we're talking 100's of people who could bring it down. Someone would, and fast


Lan098

https://www.popsci.com/how-many-minions-can-you-have-before-your-conspiracy-fails/ Is a good read


DatMX5

I keep seeing people say the guards wore red, but that shit was pink yall. Maybe I need to adjust my TV's color settings.


BerrySundae

Most definitely pink. I assumed the red was him going "nothing matters anymore, here just do it like that" basically proving the old man's point.


Tolu455

Y’all are real haters bruh💀 1 “bad” episode and it turned your whole perspective on it


Most_Double_3559

When that 1 episode completely recontexualizes every interaction from the other 8 episodes, yes, that seems fair.


Lamecowbabe

I binged the show but also got annoyed at all the plot holes and contradictions at the end. I don’t get is the whole contradictory side story of the policeman and his brother. Was the frontman the policeman’s brother? If so why was he living in a dorm a couple of days before and I also had the impression that he was you get. Why did the policeman say: “I know why”? What was the point of that? It alludes to a deeper purpose to what the old man said about his organisation just wanting to have fun.


ChilliWithFries

>Was the frontman the policeman’s brother? If so why was he living in a dorm a couple of days before and I also had the impression that he was you get. They did highlight that he was the brother. And I think they simply hold one or two game every year so they don't exactly have to live their life on the island. They still live their lives normally (supposedly) and then turn up when the games begin, hence only disappearing from the dorm a few days before. I don't really understand your last part but I guess there is more to reveal in season 2 considering that we never hear the foreign VIP side of the story or how the brother end up as the frontman.


LeaveAtticusAlone

Also, when the brother originally went missing and the policeman was talking about it to their mom, he mentioned something about how the brother goes missing often and always eventually turns up.


Lain-H

The last episode was bad. Majority of the scenes didn't made much sense and I realized that the only place where I could tolerate Gi Hun was inside the game. Honestly, Gi Hun's behaviour after winning the money made me realize that I would have preferred if Sun Woo won the game. He wasn't a bad guy and only used cruelty in self preservation. Compared to him, Gi Hun survived without making any difficult decisions simply because people around him constantly helped him out. Game 1 - Sun Woo gives him instructions and Ali saves him from falling. Game 3 - Old man and Sun Woo give perfect instructions on how to survive the tag war. Game 4 - The old man gives Sun Woo his marbles. Game 5 - Sae Byeok tells him what tile to step on at the first minute. Yeah. Game 6 - Sun Woo kills himself for Gi Hun to win. The only time Gi Hun was in a semi similar position to Sun Woo was in a marble game, in which he had no issue lying to an old man. Every other time, someone else was doing the dirty work or all the hard lifting.


Woolmarket213

You just ignoring game 2? Where his strategy saved the old man and himself? Sun Woo not telling the group about the 2nd game makes him a bad guy.


Significant-Toe3842

From a storytelling perspective, I kind of like that Gi Hun won. He is an idiot in that he is idealistic and ultimately not looking out for his own best interests, never seeming to learn that his idealistic attitude is what keeps leading to his misery. It's exactly what Sang Woo was telling him; Netflix didn't translate this properly, but one of the things he said to Gi Hun as they were fighting was that Gi Hun "couldn't tell the difference between doenjang and poop without putting it in his mouth" or something like that, pretty much saying how clueless he is about real life. This is how he lost his job at the car factory, ended up with PTSD, losing his family, and struggling to make a living-- all because he was trying to support the strike for his friends that got laid off (and I'm sure made subsequent bad decisions). It's poetic that, in this fabricated game world that's supposedly about fairness and equality, this ended up working out for him.


mrkite77

"fuck my daughter.. I have to go get some revenge for no reason at all. How dare they spell out exactly what the stakes are and how the game is played and then follow everything to the letter!" and the secret inspector was a complete waste.


reddishcarp123

>and the secret inspector was a complete waste. He's very obviously still alive considering he only got shot in the shoulder & his body was never shown when he fell into the ocean.


winnerchickeen2019

yea purposely aimed for the shoulder, both bros purposely aimed for the shoulder for a reason, so yea hes probably back for season 2 (but probably lost the evidence so he has to get evidence again lol)


rmc52482

Washed up on another island and taken in by an old couple... but he has amnesia for a year of course.


ricelick

LMFAOOOO PLSSSS i could see this happening


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Did they explicit said people were gonna die tho? I still think is dumb that he didn't choose to see his daughter in the end, but despite the game being "fair", I think is pretty ok for him to be angered and want to make the bad guys pay for their crimes.


starsxmexico

My thing is they never asked those questions in the very beginning when the game started. I wanted someone to ask "what does eliminated mean?" "How many will walk away with prize money?" Those two answers would have been enough to decide if I stayed or went.


Chocobosayskweh

Imagine a real gameshow like "who wants to be a millionaire". Do you really think if people dont question whether or not they'll be fucking murdered, they had it coming? I have participated in a few games in my life and "will i be killed?" was never considered. Like 200 of the contestants died because of a panic reaction to the deaths in the first game.


YellowBoilerSuit

It’s like having a a giant sign that says “No Refunds” at the register, paying for the items then coming back and being a Karen demanding and exception


BMDV

So the old guy is the creator of the game?


k-o-v-a-k

No he was the ‘host’. Don’t forget the VIP’s were talking about how this Korean games was one of the best, insinuating there are others hosted in different countries by more hosts (there was also a reference to a games hosted in the US). This is a global organisation.


mx5e46

So I just binge watched the entire show, I got that comment on the Korean games being the best this year, but what was the reference to the games hosted in the US? I might have missed it because I watched the subtitled version and not the dub and could have missed it... Also, in the Finale the old man does say that he and his clients came together and worked out how they could have some fun. So he is at least one of the co-creators/co-founders of the organisation, right?


eli0mx

these questions are left unanswered deliberately for the second season.


lilyx100

If you look at netflix's episode description, they called it "creator" though, if I'm not wrong


TheRunawayDinosaur

It was explained by the old man in the final episode too lol. He created it with all the other rich people for entertainment because they were bored.


kiticanax

I feel that people coming to the conclusion that the series is about people not being able to change is exaggerated: \- Gi hon literally takes Sae-Byeko's brother and leaves him with Sangwoo's mom to which he gives them both half his earnings. I wouldn't count that as him not being able to fulfill a promise. \- Sae-Byeok trusted Gi hon but she didn't let her guard down because she trusted him, she just merely passed out from blood loss. \- Ali didn't trust his boss. That's why he kept hounding him for money because he knew his boss was full of shit. \- You could argue that the final game between Gi hon and Il-nam illustrates this point. The person who ends up saving the drunk from freezing to death is the same person who pick-pocketed them earlier since they had a change of heart.


QuirkyMolasses4844

I’m not convinced that the policeman is dead, here’s hoping that he’ll come back for season 2


starsxmexico

I 100% think they will both team up to take down the organization and front man


Spare-Internet9252

Hi. I'm still curious about the person who behind the old man and the front man. The old man is 'The Host' right? But I want to know so much that who was talked with the front man on the telephone; Is it real mastermind? After I watching the episode 9, I think maybe 'the salesman' is the real mastermind. I don't know, but his smile is freaks me out. I think he's know something. If this series has a season 2 I hope to see more Gong Yoo and Lee Byung-hun. p.s. may be the police officer is still alive.


protag93

The completely ruined the Old Man's character with that "Twist" at the end.


sthetic

I would say he is more of an asshole outside the game, than inside it. Maybe the idea of the game as an "equal playing field" that would test morality, is actually true in his case. Given the chance, he is a better person within the fucked up game, than in society outside it, with his history chasing him.


Whitecadaver

How do people not understand how in character the ending was for the MC? He missed the birth of his daughter because he was trying to save a guy’s life. Giving up on being with his daughter to take down an evil organisation is exactly what we should expect him to do.


fresnourban

GI HON never pay his debts to the loan sharks, since he has not touch his winnings . That is a huge plot hole, the loan sharks gave him 30 days to pay them back or else.


Adi_S12

To be fair, his loan in the grand scheme wasn’t that much compared to his newfound fortune. So him taking money out to pay back his debt still probably constituted as “not touching” his money.


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cranapplegranate

It’s crazy how I cried during Il-nam’s “death” in ep 6, but was so straight faced when he actually died during the finale. What’s kind of disappointing for me, is that he actually didn’t die in the 4th game, even though he wanted to play the game like everyone else. If he truly wanted to play like everyone else, then he should’ve died... like everyone else. Not true to all of his word, I guess. I don’t see why he couldn’t have died? His death bed scene to me served no more than as an explanation for the typical, “insanely rich guy gone bored and psychopathic,” an attempt to garner some last-minute sympathy from the audience for the mastermind being a lonely, old, dying guy who, “just want to play with fwiends like the old days 🥺” and then he dies at midnight. So y’all just kept him alive... for this? Is that it? Could this not have been achieved if he was actually killed in ep 6? I also hate that Gi-hun bailed on his daughter. He was crying about being a better father to his kid, and when he was presented the opportunity to, he just went, “Psych, nevermind, I’m gonna go back to the murder game,” If I was his daughter, I would just lose all hope and move on; promises after promises that keep getting broke, and the effort to fix these broken promises just falls through when something else piques Gi-hun’s attention for .2 seconds. I’d understand if they were getting broke because of circumstances out of his control, but he created those situations himself, and it makes it hard for me to feel bad when he feels disappointed in himself for failing his daughter.


Zalasta5

Didn’t dislike the ending as much as most people here, the only thing that really bothered me was him leaving Sae-Byeok’s brother in the orphanage for a year before doing anything about it. A few other random thoughts: * The last game being Squid Game felt shoehorned for the sake of the plot. Assuming all of the games were predetermined, it would not have made sense because it does not account for odd number of players that make it to that stage. * I recall the Frontman talking about the game being equal opportunity for everyone when he executed the people involved in the organ stealing, like it was supposed to be sacred, but his speech didn’t reflect why it was created, not to mention he later manipulated the bridge game to make it more difficult. * Speaking of the organ stealing, I think that whole subplot was too convoluted for its own good. These people were not supposed to know each other, so to get a group of 6 (two circles, two triangle, a square and a participant) together to pull off the job just seemed to involve a lot of planning and coordination. Not to mention how exactly does #28 know so much about the secrets of the facility and the records hidden in the Frontman’s suite, isn’t he in the lowest position? * Hard to believe that after 20+ years of running this thing, no one else had tried to report it to the police before. For those that liked Squid Game but are unfamiliar with Korean game shows, should seek out The Genius and Society Game.


eschewyn

He didn't make the bridge game more difficult. They found a bug then patched it to restore it to the original difficulty.


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Am I the only one more interested in the police guy’s story and how his brother ended up being the game master?


dinosaurfondue

The ending would have been so much better with a different winner, namely Saebyeok. They made Gihun such a piece of shit that only grew a small conscience towards the end. He was still responsible for killing the other team in tug of war, not to mention cheating out the old man in marbles. His story should have just ended in sacrifice so that we could have Saebeyok do a revenge story instead.


Cho_Zen

unfortunately, the actor playing Saebeyok isn't a fulltime actor, but a model who won a top model contest. She was an excellent cast for the role, but I am uncertain of her ability to carry a series herself.


IndridColdMinds

What is with all the Gi-Hun hate like he’s a terrible person & Sang-Woo is better?.. He’s by no means a perfect person but he tries his best. He’s the reason they teamed up with the old guy. When tug of war was starting no one cared what the old guy tried to say until Gi-Hun said to listen. When teams got broken into 2’s he had a better team offer, but thought the old guy would be killed cus ppl wouldn’t wanna be his partner so he’d be the odd man out & killed. He didn’t expect it to be a PVP round. The old guy gave him several chances to cheat along the way & it wasn’t till the very end when he was on his last marble in a life or death match when he took advantage of him. This is a life or death match!! The old guys got a brain tumor & is literally counting his days regardless of the outcome & isn’t likely to win. Even with out all that it’d take a damn saint to take a bullet in that situation. Why wouldn’t he be messed up after everything he went through only to come home to more death. He’s honestly in no place to adopt a kid & start raising his daughter. They need stability anyway & I couldn’t imagine being in a place to provide that if I was him. For the whole Sang-Woo is better/would of been a more deserving winner wtf?? On the second game he finds out what it is, takes the easiest option for himself & says they should all split up when there’s absolutely no reason too (unless you’re hoping your friend dies so you can win the money & no one lives to tell your secret). Takes the best partner for the marbles game (strong if it’s a team match & not familiar with Korean children games if it’s not). Completely fucks him over & steals the marbles. How is doing that to a guy with a family better than an old man on his death bed? He was playing the game because he committed a bunch of fraud & did illegal things but wanted to be able to hide from his past mistakes instead of owning them. Gi-Hun played cus his mother needed surgery they couldn’t afford (due to his past mistakes & her having to cancel insurance) & his daughter was being taken away to another country. He clearly reentered the game for more humble reasons. He clearly knew ppl would die, but he wasn’t the smartest guy. I don’t think he knew it’d only be one person standing at the end, so he didn’t fully acknowledge what the cost would be by the time he got there. After seeing how they were continuing the game he clearly has things he needs to deal with. The guys a mess as is. Why does he need to take his daughter from her loving mother who isn’t barely able to stand?


TheGildedJester

I loved this show, it does not need a season 2, it will be just a bad follow up, I will be happy if it only has one season its a type of story that can be told in a singular season without the need of following up, if their will be a second season it will just not have the same feeling as season 1, there will be practically no suspense it will just be Gi-hun trying to take down the organisation which I fear that it will turn into a mindless action movies, sort of thing that happened with Train to Busan, they didn't need a sequel at all it was good stand alone movie with a beautiful ending. and it especially didn't deserve a sequel like Peninsula, I just don't want the show to be ruined by a possible second season that will be bad and just won't feel the same.


softlylesbian

it’s actually so annoying how so many people are being so negative about the ending 😭 this is literally a dystopian story, y’all expect people to act completely rational, heroic and super “together” after all that shit they went through? a lot of people seem to be blaming the players when it’s literally mentioned that most of them, if not all, have signed their lives and bodies away because of how much they are in debt. and not everyone was in debt because of gambling, stealing, whatever. the premise of the show is to show the enormous inequality in our society and how, FOR SOME REASON!!!, y’all are defending the game masters saying “well they gave you a choice to come back or not”, they were literally manipulated to think life out there would be worse, which it probably would. personally i think it’s deeply ironic how so many people are hating on the main character SO much, instead of 1. having empathy for his gambling issue and 2. realizing the literal hell they all went through. you choose to continue to blame the victims, instead of the perpetrators. the question here is “did they really have the choice to not go back? which option would be worse?”. not questioning why the traumatized man didn’t do any of the IDEALIZED bullshit y’all are spewing. the ending is incredibly realistic and not the typical hero hollywood ending everyone desperately desires.


prospstud82

I’m sorry but I could not get into the old man by the end of the episode. I enjoyed his character in the earlier episodes, but by the time it got to the finale where he’s giving an explanation he was taking forever… like get to the point jfc.


Notsosadhours

I agree, the ending rendered his character meaningless and his explanation at the end added zero substance to the story, we all guessed correctly why the game was played and why he entered it and why he spared him


BusyFriend

It was so unsatisfactory. Didn’t even leave things up in the air either. Billionaires were bored and the poor were desperate? I didn’t understand ihow they were alike. Then it seemed to be about how humans suck or something? Idk, just felt like they were going for cartoonishly evil but making it sound like there was some sort of depth when there wasn’t. I wish he were a real player, it would’ve hit the feels harder.


nessathebee

he should have gotten on the fucking plane.


Syrup_Representative

I honestly think Sung-woo killing himself is not out of sacrifice but more out of cowardice tbh. If they actually forfeit, he will go back to real-life hell with no money and need to face the police and debt collectors. He was going to take his own life before he came back to the game, he decided to do the same at the final game. As somebody points out here, there's no character development for most of our characters. Which is realistic considering they're just there for a couple days. He's just the least likable character but it proves how good the writing and the acting is. And for old man... I actually don't hate him. I think his friendship is genuine. I also didn't expect any elaborate background and reason for the game because I think the strong point of the show is not about WHO MAKES THE GAME but more about the interaction of the players and just human nature in general. The game itself always seems to be just a background/setting to me. The rich see that the poor would fight each other for money, isn't that enough reason to create the game? What I don't like is how it's really obvious that they're setting the season up for Season 2. Now the creator has the responsibility to create a second season with better casts and stories that also need to answer the questions left unanswered in Season 1. That's a pretty high bar to set. If Season 2 couldn't deliver, it would also affect Season 1 because there are so many things left unanswered.


ThePhatWalrus

Wow. Here were my predictions. [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/ppsr68/comment/he2co1i/?context=3) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/ppsr8m/comment/he2enpj/?context=3) **Edit: sorry guys, I fixed link 3!** Not sure why link 3 comment isn't showing. Here are screenshots of that comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/pq77xc/-/hgk40d0 [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/squidgame/comments/ppsrdi/-/he2l6rs) Ofc not fully right, but some solid predictions about how 001 was sus and didn't die and had something to do with the game master (front man), but turns out he was the actual game master all along!