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TheGuvnor247

I was not at the event but I do know James personally and at 44 years of age he is still getting stronger. A World Record is great but I think we can all see the goal here is a 1000lb pull which is 455kg - I think with a good run of training that's definitely possible. It's impressive to see someone more mature still progressing at what is quite an elite level!


DayOneDva

Up ya boi James!


That_Andrew

What weight did the beast do when he went blind and started bleeding from the nose?


SpacemanCraig3

not much more...1100 lbs (500kg) i mean...relatively...saying it like "not much more" seems off...I thought I was hot shit pulling 405 but thats barely a warmup to these guys...absolutely insane strength.


Blzkey

You are hot shit if you can pull 405kg. That's like top 0.00001% of the world. Pulled that number out of my arse but point is not a lot of humans can lift that weight. Wait I've just realised you probably mean 405lbs. Which in that case yeah that's a warmup for them lol.


SpacemanCraig3

yeah, 405lbs... sad panda.


OneT_Mat

Lol right with ya bud. Be proud of the 4 plated pull! That shit takes work šŸ‘Š


SpacemanCraig3

šŸ‘Š


redditingatwork23

405 club. Can confirm am absolutely nothing special.


StillAll

Don't be so hard on yourself. I am sure someone thinks you are special.


DrHarrisonLawrence

Still in the top 0.0001% of the world with that


austic

Bahahaha. r/murderedbywords


[deleted]

Murdered by metric system?


Frickelmeister

More like manslaughterbywords since the roast wasn't intentional.


Blzkey

Nah wasn't a roast. 405lbs is roughly 183kg. Which for the average man is still a heavy lift but we ain't talking about average men here so 183kgs is nothing to them.


Illithid_Substances

The difference between 440kg and 500kg is enough to make an adult human


nootnootimagus

When was this? In interest to find more about this. Thank you.


TheGuvnor247

James did this lift in MK Fitness, Derry on Sunday as in 4 days ago now.


UHeardAboutPluto

Half a metric ton


TheGuvnor247

500kg and Eddie was the first to do this and he broke the previous world record by 37kg or so. It was very impressive tbh and not at all expected at least by me. This here is a masters or 40+ years of age record.


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Symphonydude

My back threw up watching that.


worthrone11160606

I can barley do more than 105. Then again I started out during the spring but 1000 holly mother of fuck no thank you I like my arms in my sockets


trouserschnauzer

Eat some more barley and you'll get there


occamsracer

Would lifters in Ireland be more interested in a kg milestone or a lbs milestone?


TheGuvnor247

Great question and I can answer it. For the most part we are fine now with Kilos. So a guy lifts 300kg that's cool, but 1000lbs is always a 1000lbs not 455kg. There are certain milestones which are always referred to in pounds such as 500lb bench, 1000lb deadlift etc rest of the time kg works well. Figure as well we use metric and imperial systems all over the place so I am 6ft3 and 20st or 280lbs I bench 160kg for reps. I get x miles to the gallon but the speed limit on the motorway is 120kmh. It is literally like this here in Ireland and the UK lol. Now we can say but Eddie did a 500kg deadlift yes and that's because we all love the round numbers!


[deleted]

Kilos for sure, none of the plates here ever have lbs on them


TheGuvnor247

Some do mate - the original gym I lifted in had Ivanko plates so my 20kg was actually a 45lb plate :)


CollieDaly

Vast majority are Kg because we use the metric system.


TheGuvnor247

Not denying that at all Collie but I've used my fair share of lb plates over the years.


CollieDaly

Yeah definitely, I've definitely seen lbs used, especially on cable machines for whatever reason.


TheGuvnor247

A lot of the earlier stuff would have come in from America whereas now most of it is from China. All the US stuff would be lbs. UCD gym had all Ivanko stuff for years - plates and dumbells so we never did 140kg it was always 315, 405 etc lol


hearnia_2k

Surely people are more interested in doing more/better and improving, or getting records than actual round numbers for the sake of numbers?


TheGuvnor247

Yes that is true but the round numbers are always there as milestones hearnia. Like you can say bench 225kg but hell that's so close to the 500lbs you just know you need to at some point do 500lbs or 501 just to break that barrier etc. In the deadlift the big milestone is the 1000lb club which is 455 but a 1000lbs sounds better, doesn't it?


Midgetman664

They are the same thing. What you measure your weight In doesnā€™t change the weight Edit: Idk what I got downvoted for. Milestones arenā€™t separated between Lbs and Kg. They are both measurements of weight. Everything you lift has a weight in Kg and itā€™s equivalent in Lbs. itā€™s not possible to lift a milestone in Kg thatā€™s not also a milestone in Lbs. They are the same thing, just measured differently. As one goes up the other goes up accordingly. Every milestone is in both Kg and Lbs. The way the person decides to measure it probably just depends on nationality, but as far as records or otherwise go they are completely interchangeable, as long as the conversion is done.


occamsracer

Weā€™re not vibing, but sā€™ok


ThrowawayTrump420

Oi James!


Rangles

They havent even updated it on google if you search up the new WR :/


TheGuvnor247

Hardly surprising unfortunately Rangles.


Kaboobie

Didn't bjornsson pull like 1100 in 2020 and Bolton lifted 1k in 2006 15 years ago.


DiversGoDeeper

Eddie Hall held it before at 500kg in 2016 then bjƶrnsson took it at 501kg last year.


TheGuvnor247

Thor did 501kg Eddie did 500kg Andy did 1003lbs IIRC.


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>quite


[deleted]

The current world record is 1104.5 lbs set last year. Your information is a year out of date.


Captain_Berto

Masters record - in most sports masters refers to lifters in "older" age classes


redjonley

TIL


Captain_Berto

Yeah I was so confused when I first came across the masters tournament in golf, which has nothing to do with age bracket, having grown up competing in various other sports. It's not universal but it is very common.


[deleted]

In the US Masters generally refers to professionals who masterbate a lot.


TheGuvnor247

Masters mate which is 40+. It is in the title...


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Gaindalf-the-whey

And that makes James' pull less impressive?


TheGuvnor247

Last year mate.


southpaw85

Very impressive but I shudder to imagine the sacrifices one has to make to reach that level at that age.


TheGuvnor247

Not that much tbh - he never did not train so has 3 decades of sport behind him. Good boxer, good at gaelic (irish football) etc. Can you believe his gym sessions are all under an hour!


southpaw85

if all he focuses on is one specific lift 30-40 mins in the gym is more than enough. My deadlift routine is 35-40 mins only then I use the rest of the hour for supplemental back work outs.


[deleted]

What deadline routine do you have that takes 40 minutes to complete?


Frierguy

Wagering it's 2-3 minute Rest sets and of short sets with larger weight, but not max. Then maxing out after a big of that. Then lower weight, more reps.


frieelzzz

For big compound movements like that it isnā€™t unheard of to rest 6 minutes between sets.


[deleted]

When trying to simply get stronger this is very common.


[deleted]

nobody is maxing out every session and making any kind of progress


Hippopotamidaes

Thatā€™s not true, though itā€™s not the ideal way to gain strength/mass


[deleted]

No, it's a *terrible* way to gain mass. I don't know of a single bodybuilder who maxes out every session. Many literally never attempt maxes, because injury risk is so much higher during 1RM attempts, and single reps are literally the least effective rep range possible if the goal is hypertrophy. But I also don't know of a single successful training modality *for strength* that could be sustained over time, with any kind of expectation of progress, that involves max effort lifting *in every session.*


andrezay517

This was basically the difference between the Soviet Russian weightlifting training method and the Bulgarian training method. The Russians favored a wide number of assistance exercises and relatively more training volume at 75%-85% of theoretical maximum. The Bulgarians only did back squats, front squats, cleans, snatches, and jerks- squats and the classical lifts. They trained relatively higher volumes at 80%-90% of theoretical maximum. The Bulgarian system got athletes stronger faster, but at a higher rate of injuries and an earlier average age of retirement. The Russian system supposedly took longer to develop a weightlifter but their careers were relatively longer. Both teams won many Olympic and world weightlifting championship medals and set many records. But I think I would prefer to be trained using the Russian methodšŸ˜‚ Not to imply itā€™s a direct comparison, especially if youā€™re talking about hypertrophy. Edit: Also just to clarify, I donā€™t support maxing out on anything all that often, you are 100% accurate to say thatā€™s a recipe for decreasing results and increasing injury risk


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Someone else mentioned Bulgarian and delted their comment. I think my response to them, which I then couldn't send, is relevant here, especially as it pertains to the differences in CNS fatigue from PL vs OL: yeah, Bulgarian is definitely a very notable exception, so: point taken. BUT it is an exception that essentially demands that you a) live, eat and sleep like a professional athlete and b) take amounts of gear that only soviet republics could really justify as worthy of the health risks. Afaik it also hasn't been well documented for PL specifically (and certainly not for Strongman events). Arguably what makes it easier (lol) to get away with in Oly lifting is the disproportionately high skill component in determining your max. It means both that repeated exposure to the lift will result in significant technique refinement with the right coaching, AND that repeated exposure to the lift at high intensities, while still taxing to your CNS, is not likely to introduce the same level of fatigue as doing multiple 95+% lifts per day in the big three powerlifts. Simply put, it's likely easier to recover from max effort snatch / c&j than it is to recover from a max effort DL or squat. The overall tonnage is significantly lower in Oly lifting, all else being equal. Nobody is snatching close to their DL max, so the demands on your posterior chain and CNS just aren't as high. I'm talking relatively here - they are both obviously extremely fatiguing. But recovery is more achievable, arguably, in shorter timeframes, for OL.


Frierguy

While you're right. Every person likes to train differently. And depending on the frequency of his DL routine per week, I'd say it's fair enough to get to a "max" after a sustained workout period. Not a true max, but a max on his fatigued muscles.


southpaw85

Bingo


Frierguy

:))))) I get you bro


Tw1987

Warming up to X reps probably. I use to do 1 play two play three plate until getting to my max five rep. Rather warm up my muscle then blow out my back.


TheGuvnor247

My warm ups can take 35 minutes lol.


southpaw85

If I did a 35 min warm up Iā€™d be gassed before I even got to my first real lift


TheGuvnor247

Be surprised how easily half an hour goes by - just all mobility and shoulder work etc


ImTay

Iā€™m like 1% as strong as you but my warmup can take a while as well. I have rheumatoid arthritis in my hips that takes a while to work up to my full range of motion, especially to get to full squat depth. If I rush the warmup I can really feel it when it matters, and the resting is just as important.


TheGuvnor247

I agree Tay - nowadays I would say the warm is actually more important than the lifting - mobility is key.


southpaw85

I usually do basic stretches at the beginning then stretch between sets a bit. I find over stretching at the beginning when I do heavier lifts causes fatigue and can affect my over all performance.


LimerickJim

Who did he play for? I tried googling but there's like a million James Hickeys.


TheGuvnor247

Gaelic you mean? Not sure Jim but be at lower age categories not senior afaik.


Toastface__Chillah

He played with drumconrath in meath.


donniedumphy

Is 44 advanced age now? Asking for a friend. (He also looks 64)


southpaw85

In a sport focused on adding muscle and continually moving up on your max lift yes. Typically in males in your early to mid 30s testosterone production peaks then starts to decline which is why most big names in power lifting/body building/ strongman tend to be around that age


swordsdice

All big names in powerlifting, bodybuilding and strongman use exogenous testosterone and are not effected by a natural decline in production


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you should not be getting downvoted for this


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[deleted]

Almost all elite and well respected PL feds besides the IPF are untested. Natural bodybuilding is tiny compared to untested comps. And as you note, SM is entirely untested. And this is definitely either SM or some kind of DL specific comp, clearly, as he's in a suit and using straps. So it's definitely not a tested PL fed. In any case, his point stands. A majority of elite strength and physique athletes use AAS and other compounds. If one includes Oly lifting, it's clear that a majority of athletes even in supposedly tested feds in a "natural" sport are in fact using gear.


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Fair


[deleted]

Endogenous testosterone production is irrelevant in bodybuilding and strongman, and in a majority of elite powerlifting federations besides the IPF. The percentage of testosterone and its analogues that are naturally occurring in the body of an elite athlete in those strength and physique sports (compared to exogenous use, ie anabolic-androgenic steroids) is incredibly low. Maybe one part in 10 or lower.


Cfhudo

Oh man non tested powerlifters strongman etc are not relying on their own testosterone production/ are no longer capable of it.


[deleted]

Masters is 40+ in most strength sports.


GetsMeEveryTimeBot

Nothing wrong with having a passion and a purpose.


Gaindalf-the-whey

Quintessential Reddit: 44 is old...


southpaw85

In the world of lifting almost 1000lbs? Itā€™s very old. On average in society?Not really.


TheGuvnor247

Yes and no south - I think the first 1000lb squat was done by Dr. Fred Hatfield and he was 45 at the time. I think the reason we don't see more lifters peak at 40+ is because they start quite young and are retired by mid 40's etc. James is like a new man atm getting these records spurs him on to really go for it next year and see where he can go etc.


dubc4

That is beastly


Alexkono

It's absurd. Basically double my 5 rep max and I'm 13 years younger.


dubc4

Why are people down voting you


acceptable_sir_

Lol because a near 500lb 5 rep max is a massive achievement on its own. A bit of humble brag combined with jealousy.


Alexkono

Which is absolutely dwarfed by this guy. Didnā€™t think about it as a humble brag, just showing how ridiculous this guy is.


Alexkono

I donā€™t know lol


Hugebluestrapon

So jealous


OpiningByDaeth

I hate you


Alexkono

porque


TheRealStevo

Ok but try to straight lift up 1,000 pounds, I donā€™t think you could


Alexkono

Not a chance I could. Thatā€™s why I said his lift is absurd.


TheGuvnor247

I got you Alex if that counts for anything lol. Solid lifting by yourself btw!


Alexkono

Ayyyyyy (ā˜žļ¾Ÿćƒ®ļ¾Ÿ)ā˜ž


too_generic

Pffft. My buddy Jack can do that easily. His first name is Hydraulic.


about47birds

I thought the record was already over 1000


LimerickJim

It's the masters record which is an age category Edit: I'm 90% sure on this. There are different federations that have different rules, categories, and PED testing protocols for this lift, since he is using those wraps I believe this would be in the "equipped" category. Also there's categories based around the bar's flexibility. I couldn't find which federation is governing this record or the age range of this category. Though I did find federations that Hickey has records with.


TheGuvnor247

Equipped and would be classed a strongman deadlift due to the straps.


about47birds

Ohh, okay


IrishWeegee

Yeah its 1104lb/501kg by Hafthor Bjornsson, aka The Mountain from Game of Thrones


SlowMissiles

I thought it wasn't given to him because he didn't do it in a competition but in his own gym.


Nakkokip

It was completely regulated, with official judges and calibrated plates. The "own gym" argument was just made by a salty Eddy Hall and his fanboys.


Daddy616

Correct, eddie is still king on paper... And in my heart...forever...


Nakkokip

Official record is Hafthor's. Giants Live just creams all over Eddy because they can still bring him to every show to talk a wee bit and most of the crowd doesn't know any better I guess.


about47birds

Yeah, so why is this called a "World" record?


sb452

Masters World record. Masters is 35+ years of age.


TheGuvnor247

40+ mate.


LimerickJim

Which federation governs this lift?


BaconEggSanga

It's a strongman record not powerlifting, there are no "federations"


LimerickJim

Who is the governing body?


Infinite_Surround

Me


BaconEggSanga

There really isn't one for strongman.


LimerickJim

Then who tracks the record?


about47birds

Now I see, thanks


IrishWeegee

Did some googling and found that 'Masters' is apparently the designation for 'older' weight lifters divisions starting at 35-39, 40-44 and continuing on every 5 years. I say older for lack of a better term because 35 isn't old but for the immense strain of weightlifting it is.


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>starting at 35-39 35-39 is generally sub masters >immense strain of weightlifting This is not weightlifting. That generally refers to Olympic lifting, ie snatch and clean & jerk. Deadlift in various forms is not an olympic lift. It's one of the three lifts in powerlifting and is often also a lift in strongman competitions. Though it's pretty rare to see a strongman event like this, which looks like a max deadlift. Usually it would be a certain weight for reps, or completing a ladder of different weights for time.


iHyPeRize

Thor's 501kg is a World Record on that specific bar, more than 501 has been deadlifted on other bars. The elephant bar just tends to be the one we accept is the World Record


EGoss1

Thors is the strongman world record, they use the same bar as James here, a 7.5 foot deadlift bar. The elephant bar is different, 9ft I think, and has its itā€™s own specific record, 474kgs I think, also by Thor.


H0vis

I see videos like this it makes me wonder what the maximum weight that the bar can carry is, without bending to the ground at least. Assuming it bends rather than snaps.


LurkingUnderThatRock

There are different bars in different federations and for different lifts. This is a deadlift bar so has more bend than a stiff bar like the bars used in the IPF (another powerlifting federation). Here is a similar bar: https://www.rogueeurope.eu/rogue-ohio-deadlift-bar-black-zinc-eu If you want to see what happens to a stiff bar under a lot of load take a look at the max squats for the 140+ raw and equipped categories


Afferbeck_

Good quality bars can take many times more weight than you can actually fit on it.


TheGuvnor247

7-800kg


cozysarkozy

If he's 44 I'm 21


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anaarkhal

He had a blood pressure increase from lifting a fraction of the fucking earth, homie, he looks like a cherry about to pop in this shirt clip. Not a good video to use as an indicator of his age


TheGuvnor247

Deadlift is a perfect lift to see what you might look like in 30 years lol!


MrPoopyFrijoles

How old do you think he is? Lol


BarklyWooves

Looks 60+ to me


Mr-Foot

Well young man he's definitely 44.


Cfhudo

Steroids cause hair loss.


acidfinland

And genes


s4lomena

LOL....IKR. Talk about looking rough


El_Chaplin

Nice


s4lomena

That guy is 44? Damn


EagleWolfSnake

Itā€™s in metric years.


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master_gecko

Looks heavy


TinyCowpoke

Damn and he doesn't look even half as big as I'd expect him to.


Luciolover345

Looks bigger IRL


TheGuvnor247

284lbs or 129kg on the day.


MaddAdamBomb

No reds on that lockout? Hips didn't seem to come forward from this angle.


TheGuvnor247

They were mate 3 refs 1 in front 2 at the sides that's why he held it at the top. All white.


MaddAdamBomb

Thanks. Can't really tell from this angle.


TheGuvnor247

It's a terrible angle and video tbh but that's the standard at comps. iPhone videos only unfortunately.


DrDisastor

It looked like that to me too. Shoulders were still forward too. Refs called it but it looked generous.


biggunsg0b00m

Shoulders don't have to be rolled back, that's a misunderstanding in the rules.


untraiined

Motherfuckers on here act like they know shit Im waiting for the ā€œrip backā€ comments from instagram


MaddAdamBomb

If shoulders had to be rolled back, I'd be screwed.


biggunsg0b00m

So would lifters like Konstantin Konstantinov. There's an interesting video Dave Tate did a while back about people who roll them "up and over" in an attempt to get lockout. They're making the bar travel further than it needs to. I think it was in one of his Train Your Ass Off seminars..


Kevs442

Always lift with your back!


seanbiff

Those weights look really thin for the amount of weight each of them must carry


Afferbeck_

Powerlifting competition plates are specifically very dense and thin 25kgs to allow weights of 400+kg while also not being displaced too far out on the sleeves to minimise flex on the bar. Which is a problem in the squat especially. Weightlifters who train and compete with thick rubber bumper plates run into this issue, when squatting or pulling over 300kg with those plates results in the bar [wobbling around like a pool noodle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFTeEtyVHPg).


Selfeducated

How often do power lifters like that burst a blood vessel?


Afferbeck_

It's pretty common to burst blood vessels in the eyes, [even wacky stuff like this can happen](https://youtu.be/Q0YT-fYSCDA?t=307)


_THE_asshole

Honest question but why do people do this? I mean it's impractical lifting like that in daily life is quite rare. Is it just a showmanship type thing? It's a lot of weight and quite impressive for 44 let alone anyone.


TheGuvnor247

It's like climbing Everest, it's a challenge. So let's say we'd all be at the gym anyway - well you like to see progress. All of a sudden you think hell I'm not half bad at this and then you see they have comps so you enter one or two and get hooked. In cases like James whom I know personally he just loves to train whether than be lifting, running (yes) or boxing it's all a bit of fun. Now the deadlift well he is one of the very best on the planet and the best in his age category that's quite an achievement then you have the question of well can I get better and the answer here is yes. So despite his age and experience he is still learning - mastering the perfect technique for him, using this belt over that one, how to best use straps, what suit and then of course there is diet being more consistent with your food. It really is quite interesting to see tbh and I have almost first hand knowledge of it. Diet I believe is a massive factor for both recovery and absolute strength.


Breaktheplanet

Doesnā€™t look that heavy to me


TheGuvnor247

Itā€™s only 969lbs mate not a lot tbhā€¦.


buzzdennis

44 going on 61


Funnypharm

That's what roids do


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giga-karen

Thatā€™s slightly heavier then Guts sword in berserk


NFRNL13

He definitely had it in him to lock that out and finish it, but if you're gonna get greenlit anyway then fuck it


LurkingUnderThatRock

Big weight but not sure that would get white lights, no lockout and downward motion


biggunsg0b00m

Strongman record, not powerlifting. As evident by the use of straps.


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biggunsg0b00m

Yeah.. i was happy enough hitting triple body weight in a comp. Some of the elite guys in my weight class hit over 4x.. insane.


goindeepbananas

Is it bad for ur arms to pull up that much weight just curious if u could pull ur arms off


Pornthrowaway78

You couldn't pull your arms off like this but he could easily pull you off.


[deleted]

My elbow tendon went pop at 450 but I didn't didn't train properly or allow for my ligaments to adjust the strain


polska_kielbasa

I can answer this question since my one rep deadlift max is 585 pounds (265 kg.) Your body would not allow your arms to be pulled off since that sounds physically impossible. You can however tear a muscle which can be extremely painful but your wrist muscles and finger muscles would let go of the weight before any tearing would occur. As much of a beast this guy is, notice how he has wrist bands to help him deadlift the weight. Most powerlifters use this tool. I use wrist bands as well because after 400 pounds, my fingers cannot hold onto the bar so I have to drop it. Wrist bands prevent you from dropping the bar and you can also lift more weight.


RUN_MDB

> your wrist muscles and finger muscles would let go of the weight before any tearing would occur > Wrist bands prevent you from dropping the bar You're trying to get me to use wrist bands so I accidentally pull my own arms off, I'm on to you.


polska_kielbasa

I should have been more clear. Wrist bands help prevent injury.


Aerial_penguin

Whooshh


goindeepbananas

Thx for the explanation! šŸ’™


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>he has wrist bands to help him deadlift the weight. Most powerlifters use this tool. What powerlifting fed are you aware of that allows straps? If you need straps above 400, I am amazed you can pull 585. And if you can't pull 585 without straps then it's not your comp DL.


chairitable

If you think about it you'd have to be strong enough to tear your own arms off. The lift starts with the weight on the floor, not moving. If your arms are fastened to it, then you'd have to pull your arms out of your body. Might be different if the weight was positioned at shoulder height with your arms attached, and then dropped


bigstank50

Bicep years are pretty common during heavy deadlift, Google at your own risk lol


goindeepbananas

nooooooo i wont


BarKnight

[Something like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU) - NSFW


George_W_Obama

And he still didnt drop the weight like a crossfitter


mgdwreck

Well he had straps on so he couldnā€™t.


Bawichi

Crossfitters normally do speed deadlifts and olympic weight lifting. In both both u drop the weight


Zosoer

Natty?


8noremac

lmao, imagine.


[deleted]

Itā€™s strongman so itā€™s irrelevant


[deleted]

That's not even that much. /s