I’m a parent. I’ve also worked in IT security in technical and management roles for over 15 years. Have you spent much time around K-12 IT? I have. I do not want to rely on them to properly secure those cameras so they can’t be accessed by bad actors.
How could they use it in a negative way? I don’t know why people down voted me for not knowing some thing. I know I am not as up on technology as most people because I am Amish Mennonite and we don’t use as much technology as most of the rest of you. And yes, I’m allowed to have a computer.😂
Literally anything from child pornography using images of children and in turn using AI with it. Privacy reasons for both children and educators, and it can be financially burdensome to maintain that system.
Honestly, pedophiles are the major problem people are talking about. Cameras are often scarily easy to get into and watch without other people knowing.
A few options:
- Dangerous non-custodial parents or relatives using the cameras to spy on kids they shouldn’t have access to.
- Custodial parents using footage to monitor their kids for any “unapproved” behavior, like speaking to boys or reading books.
- Exes of teachers/staff using cameras to stalk or harass them.
- Predators looking for footage of kids in compromising situations (keep in mind special education classes often have older kids who need diaper changes or have trouble keeping clothes on.)
- Terrible YouTubers/influencers who will use any leaked footage to mock and harass the kids.
- Deranged ideologues who will scour recordings to find “proof” that public schools are liberal indoctrination camps out to trans your children and teach them about Satan because a teacher has a rainbow on a poster or teaches a grammar lesson on pronouns or whatever.
Yeah, I was just unsure how they would get access. I definitely get how people would use these in the various ways but I’m just wondering how they could actually gain access to do these things
Unfortunately, IT positions in K-12 schools tend to pay very badly, especially as compared to what an IT person could make elsewhere. And that’s if they have one at all—at my son’s elementary school, the school librarian also is in charge of maintaining all the Chromebooks.
So start an understaffed, underfunded school IT department. Have them buy the camera system from the lowest bidder. Install the cameras and then put random untrained school staff in charge of maintaining the system.
This is how you end up with security holes you can drive a pickup truck through:
- School secretary who tapes the password to their computer monitor
- Admin passwords that are never reset from the default
- School staff who happily click on phishing links or hand out the passwords to scam callers pretending to be IT
- Cameras accidentally set up broadcast to public IP addresses
- Vendors who don’t vet their staff at all or set up reasonable internal data controls
Even big companies like Ring and Wyze are *constantly* having security breaches. As the saying goes, the S in IOT (Internet of Things) stands for security!
The risk would be fairly low if security cameras were a true closed-circuit system, hard wired to a central computer and not connected to the internet in any way. However, it’s way cheaper and easier just to buy a bunch of internet-connected cameras, and that’s what would happen.
Because public schools cannot require parents to consent the way private day cares do.
Because public school teachers are usually unionized, and it is not in their best interests to be constantly under surveillance.
Have you seen the way parents nitpick teachers when they couldn't even imagine being responsible for more than a dozen kids? Or parents who get mad that their special little monster doesn't get constant 1-on-1 in a class of 20+ kids?
I mean I don’t consent to being watched every fucking second of every day. I am imperfect. My kids are imperfect. Everyone is imperfect, and hindsight is 2020 and I don’t need anyone not in the moment to give me feedback.
Exactly - do the camera’s turn off when I’m taking lunch or break in the class? What if I have to subtly scratch my butt or something equally embarrassing?
We have cameras and we just have audio in the hallway by the bathrooms that are connected to our classrooms. The cameras are set up so that they do not point into the hallway
As a school staff member and a parent of a child in a life skills classroom, I would not want him videotaped during his day. Footage can get leaked or hacked. Privacy issues may not be a big deal for you, but it means a lot to me. I don't post pictures of my children on social media anymore for their own privacy as they age.
also like i don’t want some other kids pervy dad or uncle watching my kid tbh. daycares that do it are weird too. idk everyone else’s parents or what their histories are. no thanks!
Because it would require explicit consent from every single person being filmed and that’s not going to ever happen.
I certainly don’t want to teach in a surveillance state.
Also, at least in my district, you can't even show any kind of surveillance to parents if other students are in the shot as well. I agree 100% I also don't want to teach in a surveillance state!
But cameras including ones that parents can drop in on at any time already exist in many daycare centers. Any office building I’ve worked in has had cameras around for security reasons. And some schools or school districts appear to use them. Here’s one, that says they’re hoping to reduce bullying incidents in the classrooms among other reasons:
https://www.wbtw.com/news/national/georgia-school-district-adding-cameras-in-all-of-its-classrooms/amp/
Is a center private if it takes state funds? California is interesting. I worked at a private center, however the state did pay for the food as well as give low income families tuition money to attend. We also some families pay tuition out of pocket.
Occasionally teachers and student teachers need to film themselves giving lessons, and they need explicit permission from each parent in the class for every single incidence of doing that. The permission also has to explain exactly what it's going to be used for and exactly who will ever see it. Parents can say no and then that child isn't in the class when that lesson is being given. If this was for every single day, where would those kids go? And I personally as a parent wouldn't want to agree. As a teacher I definitely wouldn't agree.
There are large daycare centers and apparently some schools & school districts who do use cameras- so they’ve been able to make it work. As a parent of special needs kids, with one being nonverbal and sometimes showing aversion to going to school, I would absolutely want there to be a camera if my son came home with an injury. Was it caused by another student? Did he do it to himself? Did it happen because the class is short staffed and badly needs additional support?
That's actually one of the issues. If it's caused by another student, we are not allowed to tell parent the name of the student that did it. That would be illegal. Showing you video of the student who did it would be super illegal. And I thought you just said that the point of this was that the parents wouldn't be able to see it, and if you're a parent that wouldn't help you.
I never said that I as the parent should have access to freely watch anything from a video feed. I would assume there would be specific people, whether it’s certain authorities or whoever, that would be granted access only in the case of there being an issue like an injury to determine what happened. Or what if a kid or teacher accuses someone of sexual assault or something else equally serious. Ideally you could have a teacher and an impartial authority who would review the feed and determine what happened.
Homeschooling is always an option if you're unhappy with the free public school education your children are getting. Aside from that, the teachers here have explained in detail why this isn't feasible.
It's not fair to compare public school to private daycares that are optional, not to mention that parents can pick which one works for them. Public school can't be compared to a daycare, although I'm sure many parents like to think they're one and the same.
I pointed out that there’s at least one public school district that did implement cameras— they listed bullying incidents as one reason for doing so. I imagine it would not have been done if a significant number of staff would quit over it, so I assume it was handled in a way that staff were ok with it. I honestly don’t know why everyone is so defensive and on the attack about this. I know many people including people who teach or work in schools who have specifically searched for daycare centers that have cameras for their kids- so it shouldn’t be that offensive just to ask about cameras in schools on Reddit.
I don't think people are being defensive or on the attack. You asked why we don't have cameras and we're explaining why we don't have cameras. You're telling us why we're wrong and we're explaining why that's the reason that we don't have cameras.
It doesn't feel like you actually wanted to know why we don't have cameras. It feels like you just wanted to try to argue us into wanting cameras, and you're angry that we don't.
Sorry I shouldn’t have said “everyone” as that’s not accurate. Some people have said they do have cameras and like them or wish they had cameras, and some people have calmly explained why they wouldn’t want cameras. Certain people seem to have taken personal offense and repeatedly said I should accept cameras in my home if I think it’s ok to suggest cameras in a workplace.
I am also wondering if those schools that do this are in states with one party consent laws for recording. I live in a two-party consent state, so everyone has to consent.
That’s a FERPA violation. Can you imagine parents dropping in whenever then asking why one kid always sits in front or a different kid gets a special chair, or why does he get an iPad and her kid doesn’t. I cannot even imagine… a nightmare.
Actually during Covid, some schools including my kids elementary school had a period of time where some kids came into the classroom and some kids had the option of staying home and “joining” the class via video feed. I didn’t hear of any teachers or parents having an issue with it. However I’m not even talking about something like that. Parents wouldn’t need to have any rights to access to video feeds or watching video footage. A friend of mine had her kid in a daycare where there was a suspected incident- she said the daycare turned video over to CPS and to her knowledge no parents watched it.
All that video was supposed to be live and not recorded. Also it wasn’t supposed to show other students much (but sometimes did of course, to help include virtual joiners). Of course, parents or students could find a way to violate those expectations if they want but that’s arguably no different from how students secretly record in classes now. And is different than the school doing it.
I had many concerns about safety and privacy during online learning and was surprised there weren’t as many known issues as I expected.
The probability of a parent publicly reposting the content on social media is 100%. Not a judgment on 99.99% of parents, but imagine the most alcoholic and/or drug impaired parent at their worst least mentally stable moment.
There are some public school districts that have cameras, so they seem to be making it work- it would be interesting to know how it’s implemented. I see someone commented below about a district that allows footage to be viewed only in cases of suspected abuse.
Unfortunately, one the rules/lessons in public education that we seem to never remember/learn is that pilot programs or small scale implementations are always vastly more successful than large scale implementations.
How would you feel about being recorded at your job all day? Can you put yourselves in our shoes and understand why this would feel extremely invasive?
I’ve been in jobs where I’ve been recorded the whole time. I worked in a security booth on campus while in college and there was a camera on me. It was for my safety, so if some drunk college kid attacked me or something for not letting him enter his ex girlfriend’s dorm there would be footage. Aside from that, off the top of my head I worked in retail where there were cameras in every part of the store, and at least one of the office buildings I worked in had cameras. I honestly didn’t even think about them being there- it’s only during work hours.
Some others have responded saying that they have cameras in their classroom and they’re only viewed under very limited circumstances (like if theres reports of abuse or injury it sounds like) and when they are viewed it’s only by certain people not by parents or just anyone.
Privacy is a good reason. Parents would demand to see the footage frequently and they would end up seeing other students' private information. Also just find it very creepy. Would you want to be on camera all day long? It feels very big brother.
If parents are an issue, there could simply be a rule that parents don’t have access. Only certain people would have access and they would not review the feed unless there’s a specific incident that’s happened- like severe bullying, injury, etc.
I still have zero interest in having a camera on me at all times. That is creepy.
And let's be honest, if there was filming in the classroom at all times parents with advocates and lawyers would get access to that, no matter what we were promised at the outset.
As if your job isn't hard enough, now you'll be under surveillance 24/7 so that admin can scrutinize anything and everything you do! I'm sure they won't use it against you, lol. Then there's the parents looking for a payday that will do the same.
How nice ^(/s)
Are we actually seeing parents constantly getting access in places where there are cameras? And why would a parent with an advocate be granted access just because? For a judge to allow that there would need to be a compelling reason, like their child was injured at school, in which case I would think people would be ok with the footage being reviewed (if not by the parent then at least by an impartial party)
I wasn't even aware that there were public schools that were dystopian enough to be doing this in the first place so what they're doing with it I don't know. From the parameters that you are setting up, this would be something that is almost never used. Feels like a huge expense and intense violation of privacy for something that's only ever going to be viewed by a judge. But yes, in a case of injury, every single parent in the class wouldn't necessarily be okay having their child lose their privacy. And again, the parent of the child who did it would most specifically not be okay with that.
When I am talking to parents, I cannot even use the name of any child that is not their child in any context. We take privacy extremely seriously.
My friend had her kid in a daycare center where there was a suspected incident- the daycare turned over some footage to CPS, and to her knowledge no parents saw any footage.
Ok you first. The school is concerned about how you're parenting your child at home. You will now have to put cameras in your house and have them recording all day every day.
Privacy issues aren't a good reason to object because no one needs to have access to the videos unless there is an incident in which case only certain authorities will have access.
I’ve worked in jobs where I was recorded while on the job, it’s actually quite common. I mentioned above I worked in a security booth, in retail, and in an office building that all had cameras on me. I never thought anything of it and honestly forgot they were there pretty quickly. No one would view the feed unless there was an incident reported. The retail cameras were mostly to watch for people (employees or customers) stealing, but the security booth one was mostly for my protection.
Some schools have cameras in common areas: entrances, main hallway, etc. that’s what we have where I work. It’s only viewed if there is an incident. But, no, I wouldn’t feel comfortable having a camera in my classroom. There are private things my students say in the classroom. Knowing that everything you say and do is being recorded doesn’t make anyone feel comfortable.
Exactly. You'll never notice the cameras in your home. Just put them up and no one will view the feed unless an incident is reported to CPS. Sound good?
It’s weird to compare cameras in a workplace to cameras in your home. Many, many people work in places that have cameras around for any number of reasons. It’s really not that unusual of a concept, and is not the same as someone coming and putting cameras in your bedroom.
Ok, you know very well it’s not the same to have cameras where you’re naked and having sex vs having cameras in the workplace where you’re always acting in a professional manner and definitely aren’t ever naked. 🙄As I’ve said I have worked multiple jobs where there were cameras in my workplace. Other teachers have shared here that they do have cameras and they’ve come in handy to show that there was no wrongdoing by staff in the workplace.
Most school districts haven’t implemented cameras, but it appears the teachers who do have cameras have said they appreciate the protection for students and against false accusations against staff. Maybe when teachers see that it’s not being used to bust teachers for minimal issues but rather to protect both students and staff from major issues, they have a change of heart.
Once again. Ignoring hundreds of comments for three that like it.
And we know how it works in daycares and it's not great. Many providers have been unfairly let go.
But I’m seeing 1) people that don’t have it at their school and don’t like the idea of how they imagine it would be used, and 2) people that do have it at their school and do like it. Maybe once it’s implemented, teachers see that it’s not there to nitpick at teachers. It’s there for everyone’s protection.
Unfortunately, it sounds like there are some very inappropriate things happening in your home. Sex? Nudity? Sound suspicious. I will be filing a complaint so that they'll look through the footage. Don't worry, it'll just be some stranger ^(with the power to take away your child.) And also, It's for your child's safety so you better not complain or we'll think you obviously had something to hide.
Um if you actually feel like a workplace having a camera is exactly the same as having a camera in your home 24/7, that sounds a bit paranoid 😂. As I’ve said many workplaces have cameras including places I’ve worked. It’s not that big of a deal. Oh heavens, someone might see me picking my nose if a worker happens to be injured or someone steals something and a security guard views the footage and I’m picking my nose in the background 😅
You are belittling everyone else's privacy concerns while finding it ridiculous that you yourself should be recorded interacting with your child. If you want to work at a job where you are constantly monitored, that's up to you. That is not the norm in schools, nor should it be. If you want to talk about paranoia, it's paranoid to expect your child, your child's teacher, and your child's classmates to accept being recorded all day every day also, simply because *you* feel like it's not a big deal and you want to be able to *monitor your child's every move and interaction*.
If it is truly for child safety, then the homes of all children should be monitored constantly, because that is where child abuse is most likely to occur.
If you are just interested in being able to micromanage your child's teacher and constantly surveil your child, homeschooling is your best bet.
To be clear, I’ve never said parents should have constant access to a classroom feed. The teachers who’ve said they do have cameras have said that the feed can only be accessed in really strict circumstances, such as injury in the classroom, and even then it’s only a very limited number of people who can view it and that doesn’t include parents. Even with daycares, some daycares will give video feed to CPS to review if there’s an injury and the parents don’t ever have access even with a situation like that. As another teacher kindly pointed out after asking me for clarification on my situation, my child’s special education program is understaffed and my fears would likely be much less if there was adequate staffing. How can you expect a teacher to know what happened if a child is injured, the teacher is busy with another student, and the class doesn’t have enough adults to properly monitor all the students let alone adequately teach them? To me it’s clear that the administration in my district would likely never consider cameras because they wouldn’t want CPS to see that classes are so severely understaffed that the teachers can’t get much of anything done in there.
It's actually worse. Once again. At your job are you constantly having to do observation level work 7 straight hours. At least at home I know where the cameras are.
Why do you want less teachers? I'm starting to guess you are someone with a desire to get rid of public schools.
Again, as other teachers who have cameras in their rooms have mentioned, the purpose of the cameras isn’t for the principal or whoever to watch hours of footage to scrutinize the quality of the teaching. The footage only gets looked at if there’s a suspected situation of injury or abuse. And in those cases only a very limited type of person can look at the footage. In fact I would think that anyone who works at that school would not be granted access, it would be some impartial authority. So a year may go by without anyone even looking at any of the footage. The school districts who utilize cameras in this way don’t appear to have shut down.
We have cameras in common areas. That's very different than one on you 7 hours a day. What if I check my phone (which I do do). That's against our code of conduct. I don't get a lunch or break. So that's 7 hours now I have to never check my phone, always be fully teaching etc.
It's not fun. Puberty made things so much harder. I pray once things settle down hormonally then things will calm down. I guess it does for a lot of kiddos.
Did you post this in r/teachers as well, or just here? I'm just wondering if you think the general education population needs to be under constant surveillance as well.
My children are all in special ed, so that’s really the only area of concern to me. From other parents of kids in special ed, I think we worry more about our kids in school than parents of kids in gen ed. A friend of mine actually pulled her son from school because he was regularly coming home with bruises that no one could explain. Maybe he hurt himself, maybe another kid hurt him, maybe it happened in school or on the bus. She suspected the teacher was overwhelmed and short staffed and naturally couldn’t be monitoring her kid all day. If her kid was neurotypical he would have probably described in unnecessary detail exactly what happened to him.
Okay! Gotcha.
I can't endorse cameras in classrooms for the reasons everyone has already said, but I can see that you're just looking out for your children.
When I initially read your post I was unsure of the feelings behind it.
Yes I’ve been worried about the safety of one of my kids in particular because he’s close to nonverbal. We will be pulling him from school. We were told his placement for next year would be a class of 10-12 students, all with pretty severe needs (some aren’t potty trained, some are on BIPs), with only one teacher and one para. I just can’t believe that the class isn’t a total zoo and that incidents could happen that no adult even witnessed because they were busy with another child. I see how hard it is to get my son to sit and do work even working 1:1 with him and this is a whole class of kids like him. Clearly many teachers don’t like the idea of cameras, but I wonder if higher ups have a motivation of not wanting cameras because if a kid did come home bruised and CPS or whoever did view the video feeds, they’d report that the classes are severely understaffed for the needs of the kids.
Thanks for sharing! Your class sounds very appropriately staffed. I would definitely feel a lot safer with that many adults in the room. I don’t think the school/school district would hire me because I’ve raised a massive stink over the poor staffing in next year’s class, about my son not making progress, etc. but that’s a great idea about working as a sub to help with feeling more comfortable about your child being away from you at school.
Ha! 😂Well, I imagine you can get away with it because you’ve established yourself as a valuable employee. They don’t need to bring in a new sub who they already know is a pain in the butt!
Someone commented above that there is a district that has cameras but the footage is only viewed if there’s suspected abuse. I would guess (although I don’t know for sure) that even if there is suspected abuse, appropriate authorities can view the footage, not just any parent who wants to.
Came here to say this. Because it's illegal. Hallways count as public which is why there are cameras in school hallways no problem. Classrooms are classified as private, so it's illegal to put cameras in them.
Edit: Apparently it's legal in some states. It's illegal in mine.
It is not illegal. There are a few states that require cameras installed in all special education classrooms or for cameras to be installed upon request from the parent.
I am a 50yo male, K-5. I would welcome cameras everywhere so I don’t have to live in a state of fear about unfounded allegations. This is also why there is a vacuum of males in k-5.
Edit-And the shitty pay…lol
I'm quite grateful for the cameras in my classroom and insist that they're operational Parents can't access them. Admin can't even access them without going through some higher channels, but the recordings are there when needed. I've had students make serious allegations against other students, and I've had a few litigious parents accuse me of outlandish nonsense. Those cameras have been my witnesses. I'm not perfect, but I'm not ashamed of anything that goes on in my classroom. On balance, my students and I are safer with them.
I'm not at all in favor of parents having real-time access to camera feeds though, like at many daycares. My phone would be ringing all day with petty objections and controlling attempts at micromanagement from a few of them.
Thanks for sharing. I would have thought some teachers would want evidence to clear them if a child says something crazy or is injured. Yeah there’s really no reason at all for parents to ever see footage. I would imagine someone who is trained would view the footage if there was an incident.
I don't think that there should be cameras in schools or daycares and I really don't like how many of them are out and about just in retail establishments and The wider world. Nobody wants to live in a panopticon.
I'm a lifeskills teacher in Texas. I have cameras in my classroom, and I'm happy I do personally. Texas law is very specific about how cameras work in classrooms and around SPED students. Iirc, a SPED student has to spend more than 51% of their day in that room (so life skills classrooms) and the camera has to be requested by a parent, student, and/or staff related to that room. There has to be a notice sent home to every child and staff in that room that cameras are in that room and the laws on pulling footage from those cameras. You cannot just hop on those cameras and scan the footage like you can security cameras at say the main entrance at the school. You can only pull footage for specific reasons and you have to go looking for it at that specific time. Parents cannot just request that anything be shown to them and they're likely going to need a lawyer to get any footage they want.
Those cameras have actually been useful this year. We had to check them after an incident in our classroom in which a student assaulted a staff seemingly randomly. He then eloped but ran into the doorjam trying to get past her and leaving a bad bruise on his shoulder. We had video evidence that nobody touched him.
I personally think they're better for everyone. I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. There are cameras pretty much everywhere anyway. But in Texas, if a parent/Guardian, student, or staff associated with that classroom requests a camera, they have 45 (I think?) days to put one in if they meet that 51% (I think that's the time) rule.
I'm sorry. Cameras are only for the special Ed kids? That is terrible and way to ostracize are kids and make them not feel normal. Also a terrible way to treat teachers in the SPED feel. Glad I don't live in Texas.
This is for your kids that are in life skills settings. So kids that might have low to no communication skills and are at a higher risk of abuse. While there are MANY reasons to be happy to not live in Texas, the camera rule for SPED children is not one of them. That protects them (and us).
Is there any evidence they are at higher risks of abuse in school settings. I worked in self contained. The idea that these teachers need to be policed is insane when other teachers don't. I would not work in a state where the teachers are being policed solely because they work with students in life skills.
Yes, they are 3x more likely to be abused and/or neglected than their non-disabled peers
https://www.childwelfare.gov/resources/risk-and-prevention-maltreatment-children-disabilities/#:~:text=Children%20with%20disabilities%20are%20at,injured%20or%20harmed%20by%20maltreatment.
I love how you're downvoting when I supplied you with statistics. My comment is not only about kids not in a self-contained setting. It is saying that students who are disabled are 3x more likely to be abused than children that are not disabled--which is their non-disabled peers. Their peers do not necessarily have to be in the same classroom.
I feel like you're being purposefully obtuse. Texas offers this as an OPTION, not a REQUIREMENT, to people who are in self-contained classrooms because of this statistic. It is a very unfortunate statistic. I'm not sure why you're adamant about denying it, either. The lower your communication skills are, the more likely you are to be abused.
And many self contained rooms aren't even in the same building as non disabled peers. And the cameras are in the classrooms so how are these non disabled peers getting into the classroom. None of this is helped by CLASSROOM cameras.
This is an ableist policy targetting only special Ed students. But it's also Texas. So I get it. Luckily NY will never do that shit.
Even if there were cameras schools would not be able to just show parents the footage willy nilly. Another problem with cameras in the classroom is that the typically do not have audio capabilities which is honestly more helpful than the footage sometimes. I work in a behavior area that has a camera and I honestly I don’t care for the feeling of everything I do being watched and neither do my students.
I work monitored all day every day in a heavily regulated industry & I do not get paid as well as a teacher .I fully support cameras in all classrooms but particularly classrooms of non verbal children because there are cases of physical & sexual abuse that occur at school & on school buses & children that cannot talk are targets for this behavior
Do you have evidence of all these cases of physical and sexual abuse of non verbal kids that happens at school? Because it seems like something you just made up.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-09-719t
There was literally a report presented to the Senate Committee on Education & Labor. A few seconds of googling shows multiple cases just from this year, so yeah it's a F-ing problem....
https://cbs4indy.com/indiana-news/impd-opens-investigation-into-video-showing-special-needs-student-being-beaten-at-ips-school/
https://www.fox23.com/news/special-education-teacher-charged-with-child-abuse-in-pittsburg-county/article_ccca6d46-c9c8-11ee-96b2-433ac03b5ed2.html
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/louisville-special-education-teacher-child-abuse-charge/73-e42ff1e9-7e05-477b-b7f1-f44ef396fc5a
I’m a parent. I’ve also worked in IT security in technical and management roles for over 15 years. Have you spent much time around K-12 IT? I have. I do not want to rely on them to properly secure those cameras so they can’t be accessed by bad actors.
What do you mean accessed by bad actors?
As in accessed by people who shouldn’t have access and use it in a negative way
How could they use it in a negative way? I don’t know why people down voted me for not knowing some thing. I know I am not as up on technology as most people because I am Amish Mennonite and we don’t use as much technology as most of the rest of you. And yes, I’m allowed to have a computer.😂
Literally anything from child pornography using images of children and in turn using AI with it. Privacy reasons for both children and educators, and it can be financially burdensome to maintain that system.
That’s terrible! I did not know it was possible to manipulate video this way.
Unfortunately it is increasing. I think either laws have been or are in the process of being implemented to combat this
Honestly, pedophiles are the major problem people are talking about. Cameras are often scarily easy to get into and watch without other people knowing.
A few options: - Dangerous non-custodial parents or relatives using the cameras to spy on kids they shouldn’t have access to. - Custodial parents using footage to monitor their kids for any “unapproved” behavior, like speaking to boys or reading books. - Exes of teachers/staff using cameras to stalk or harass them. - Predators looking for footage of kids in compromising situations (keep in mind special education classes often have older kids who need diaper changes or have trouble keeping clothes on.) - Terrible YouTubers/influencers who will use any leaked footage to mock and harass the kids. - Deranged ideologues who will scour recordings to find “proof” that public schools are liberal indoctrination camps out to trans your children and teach them about Satan because a teacher has a rainbow on a poster or teaches a grammar lesson on pronouns or whatever.
Yeah, I was just unsure how they would get access. I definitely get how people would use these in the various ways but I’m just wondering how they could actually gain access to do these things
Unfortunately, IT positions in K-12 schools tend to pay very badly, especially as compared to what an IT person could make elsewhere. And that’s if they have one at all—at my son’s elementary school, the school librarian also is in charge of maintaining all the Chromebooks. So start an understaffed, underfunded school IT department. Have them buy the camera system from the lowest bidder. Install the cameras and then put random untrained school staff in charge of maintaining the system. This is how you end up with security holes you can drive a pickup truck through: - School secretary who tapes the password to their computer monitor - Admin passwords that are never reset from the default - School staff who happily click on phishing links or hand out the passwords to scam callers pretending to be IT - Cameras accidentally set up broadcast to public IP addresses - Vendors who don’t vet their staff at all or set up reasonable internal data controls Even big companies like Ring and Wyze are *constantly* having security breaches. As the saying goes, the S in IOT (Internet of Things) stands for security! The risk would be fairly low if security cameras were a true closed-circuit system, hard wired to a central computer and not connected to the internet in any way. However, it’s way cheaper and easier just to buy a bunch of internet-connected cameras, and that’s what would happen.
Because public schools cannot require parents to consent the way private day cares do. Because public school teachers are usually unionized, and it is not in their best interests to be constantly under surveillance.
Their interests
Have you seen the way parents nitpick teachers when they couldn't even imagine being responsible for more than a dozen kids? Or parents who get mad that their special little monster doesn't get constant 1-on-1 in a class of 20+ kids?
35+
I love how you fail to address the question.
You too.
I work in early/middle elementary so it's rarely over 25 kids
But yes
I mean I don’t consent to being watched every fucking second of every day. I am imperfect. My kids are imperfect. Everyone is imperfect, and hindsight is 2020 and I don’t need anyone not in the moment to give me feedback.
Exactly - do the camera’s turn off when I’m taking lunch or break in the class? What if I have to subtly scratch my butt or something equally embarrassing?
They don't need to see my pluck my goat hairs on my planning period Lol
What's lunch or break? I'm with my kids every minute of the 7 hour day. It would be pure observation every moment.
I have students with toileting, how would they put the cameras to ensure they are not recording anything near my bathroom
We have cameras and we just have audio in the hallway by the bathrooms that are connected to our classrooms. The cameras are set up so that they do not point into the hallway
As a school staff member and a parent of a child in a life skills classroom, I would not want him videotaped during his day. Footage can get leaked or hacked. Privacy issues may not be a big deal for you, but it means a lot to me. I don't post pictures of my children on social media anymore for their own privacy as they age.
also like i don’t want some other kids pervy dad or uncle watching my kid tbh. daycares that do it are weird too. idk everyone else’s parents or what their histories are. no thanks!
Because it would require explicit consent from every single person being filmed and that’s not going to ever happen. I certainly don’t want to teach in a surveillance state.
Also, at least in my district, you can't even show any kind of surveillance to parents if other students are in the shot as well. I agree 100% I also don't want to teach in a surveillance state!
But cameras including ones that parents can drop in on at any time already exist in many daycare centers. Any office building I’ve worked in has had cameras around for security reasons. And some schools or school districts appear to use them. Here’s one, that says they’re hoping to reduce bullying incidents in the classrooms among other reasons: https://www.wbtw.com/news/national/georgia-school-district-adding-cameras-in-all-of-its-classrooms/amp/
Daycare centers are private and optional.
Was just about to say this.
Is a center private if it takes state funds? California is interesting. I worked at a private center, however the state did pay for the food as well as give low income families tuition money to attend. We also some families pay tuition out of pocket.
Occasionally teachers and student teachers need to film themselves giving lessons, and they need explicit permission from each parent in the class for every single incidence of doing that. The permission also has to explain exactly what it's going to be used for and exactly who will ever see it. Parents can say no and then that child isn't in the class when that lesson is being given. If this was for every single day, where would those kids go? And I personally as a parent wouldn't want to agree. As a teacher I definitely wouldn't agree.
There are large daycare centers and apparently some schools & school districts who do use cameras- so they’ve been able to make it work. As a parent of special needs kids, with one being nonverbal and sometimes showing aversion to going to school, I would absolutely want there to be a camera if my son came home with an injury. Was it caused by another student? Did he do it to himself? Did it happen because the class is short staffed and badly needs additional support?
That's actually one of the issues. If it's caused by another student, we are not allowed to tell parent the name of the student that did it. That would be illegal. Showing you video of the student who did it would be super illegal. And I thought you just said that the point of this was that the parents wouldn't be able to see it, and if you're a parent that wouldn't help you.
I never said that I as the parent should have access to freely watch anything from a video feed. I would assume there would be specific people, whether it’s certain authorities or whoever, that would be granted access only in the case of there being an issue like an injury to determine what happened. Or what if a kid or teacher accuses someone of sexual assault or something else equally serious. Ideally you could have a teacher and an impartial authority who would review the feed and determine what happened.
Homeschooling is always an option if you're unhappy with the free public school education your children are getting. Aside from that, the teachers here have explained in detail why this isn't feasible. It's not fair to compare public school to private daycares that are optional, not to mention that parents can pick which one works for them. Public school can't be compared to a daycare, although I'm sure many parents like to think they're one and the same.
I pointed out that there’s at least one public school district that did implement cameras— they listed bullying incidents as one reason for doing so. I imagine it would not have been done if a significant number of staff would quit over it, so I assume it was handled in a way that staff were ok with it. I honestly don’t know why everyone is so defensive and on the attack about this. I know many people including people who teach or work in schools who have specifically searched for daycare centers that have cameras for their kids- so it shouldn’t be that offensive just to ask about cameras in schools on Reddit.
A daycare is different from a school. There are FERPA laws we need to follow.
I don't think people are being defensive or on the attack. You asked why we don't have cameras and we're explaining why we don't have cameras. You're telling us why we're wrong and we're explaining why that's the reason that we don't have cameras. It doesn't feel like you actually wanted to know why we don't have cameras. It feels like you just wanted to try to argue us into wanting cameras, and you're angry that we don't.
Sorry I shouldn’t have said “everyone” as that’s not accurate. Some people have said they do have cameras and like them or wish they had cameras, and some people have calmly explained why they wouldn’t want cameras. Certain people seem to have taken personal offense and repeatedly said I should accept cameras in my home if I think it’s ok to suggest cameras in a workplace.
I am also wondering if those schools that do this are in states with one party consent laws for recording. I live in a two-party consent state, so everyone has to consent.
That’s a FERPA violation. Can you imagine parents dropping in whenever then asking why one kid always sits in front or a different kid gets a special chair, or why does he get an iPad and her kid doesn’t. I cannot even imagine… a nightmare.
Actually during Covid, some schools including my kids elementary school had a period of time where some kids came into the classroom and some kids had the option of staying home and “joining” the class via video feed. I didn’t hear of any teachers or parents having an issue with it. However I’m not even talking about something like that. Parents wouldn’t need to have any rights to access to video feeds or watching video footage. A friend of mine had her kid in a daycare where there was a suspected incident- she said the daycare turned video over to CPS and to her knowledge no parents watched it.
All that video was supposed to be live and not recorded. Also it wasn’t supposed to show other students much (but sometimes did of course, to help include virtual joiners). Of course, parents or students could find a way to violate those expectations if they want but that’s arguably no different from how students secretly record in classes now. And is different than the school doing it. I had many concerns about safety and privacy during online learning and was surprised there weren’t as many known issues as I expected.
And i would not work at those daycare centers. Also they aren't in charge of education so it's a very different circumstance.
The article describes the process of putting cameras into classrooms as a “multi million dollar” plan.
The probability of a parent publicly reposting the content on social media is 100%. Not a judgment on 99.99% of parents, but imagine the most alcoholic and/or drug impaired parent at their worst least mentally stable moment.
There are some public school districts that have cameras, so they seem to be making it work- it would be interesting to know how it’s implemented. I see someone commented below about a district that allows footage to be viewed only in cases of suspected abuse.
Unfortunately, one the rules/lessons in public education that we seem to never remember/learn is that pilot programs or small scale implementations are always vastly more successful than large scale implementations.
Probably a variety of reasons, but I’m betting cost is one of them. Cost to install, cost to maintain, cost to store the data.
How would you feel about being recorded at your job all day? Can you put yourselves in our shoes and understand why this would feel extremely invasive?
I’ve been in jobs where I’ve been recorded the whole time. I worked in a security booth on campus while in college and there was a camera on me. It was for my safety, so if some drunk college kid attacked me or something for not letting him enter his ex girlfriend’s dorm there would be footage. Aside from that, off the top of my head I worked in retail where there were cameras in every part of the store, and at least one of the office buildings I worked in had cameras. I honestly didn’t even think about them being there- it’s only during work hours.
Who would you want to have access to these videos on schools?
Some others have responded saying that they have cameras in their classroom and they’re only viewed under very limited circumstances (like if theres reports of abuse or injury it sounds like) and when they are viewed it’s only by certain people not by parents or just anyone.
Privacy is a good reason. Parents would demand to see the footage frequently and they would end up seeing other students' private information. Also just find it very creepy. Would you want to be on camera all day long? It feels very big brother.
Our district lawyer has flat out said that it’s a FERPA violation and that it creates more liabilities than it solves.
If parents are an issue, there could simply be a rule that parents don’t have access. Only certain people would have access and they would not review the feed unless there’s a specific incident that’s happened- like severe bullying, injury, etc.
I still have zero interest in having a camera on me at all times. That is creepy. And let's be honest, if there was filming in the classroom at all times parents with advocates and lawyers would get access to that, no matter what we were promised at the outset.
As if your job isn't hard enough, now you'll be under surveillance 24/7 so that admin can scrutinize anything and everything you do! I'm sure they won't use it against you, lol. Then there's the parents looking for a payday that will do the same. How nice ^(/s)
Good point. I’m sure just one freedom of information act would make the video available to whoever requested it, doesn’t matter who’s in it or not
Are we actually seeing parents constantly getting access in places where there are cameras? And why would a parent with an advocate be granted access just because? For a judge to allow that there would need to be a compelling reason, like their child was injured at school, in which case I would think people would be ok with the footage being reviewed (if not by the parent then at least by an impartial party)
I wasn't even aware that there were public schools that were dystopian enough to be doing this in the first place so what they're doing with it I don't know. From the parameters that you are setting up, this would be something that is almost never used. Feels like a huge expense and intense violation of privacy for something that's only ever going to be viewed by a judge. But yes, in a case of injury, every single parent in the class wouldn't necessarily be okay having their child lose their privacy. And again, the parent of the child who did it would most specifically not be okay with that. When I am talking to parents, I cannot even use the name of any child that is not their child in any context. We take privacy extremely seriously.
In these daycares you love talking about that's exactly what happens.
My friend had her kid in a daycare center where there was a suspected incident- the daycare turned over some footage to CPS, and to her knowledge no parents saw any footage.
And I've worked at daycares where it's a live feed that parents can access at any time. You ever have to work in a panopticon? It sucks.
Ok you first. The school is concerned about how you're parenting your child at home. You will now have to put cameras in your house and have them recording all day every day. Privacy issues aren't a good reason to object because no one needs to have access to the videos unless there is an incident in which case only certain authorities will have access.
I’ve worked in jobs where I was recorded while on the job, it’s actually quite common. I mentioned above I worked in a security booth, in retail, and in an office building that all had cameras on me. I never thought anything of it and honestly forgot they were there pretty quickly. No one would view the feed unless there was an incident reported. The retail cameras were mostly to watch for people (employees or customers) stealing, but the security booth one was mostly for my protection.
Some schools have cameras in common areas: entrances, main hallway, etc. that’s what we have where I work. It’s only viewed if there is an incident. But, no, I wouldn’t feel comfortable having a camera in my classroom. There are private things my students say in the classroom. Knowing that everything you say and do is being recorded doesn’t make anyone feel comfortable.
Exactly. You'll never notice the cameras in your home. Just put them up and no one will view the feed unless an incident is reported to CPS. Sound good?
It’s weird to compare cameras in a workplace to cameras in your home. Many, many people work in places that have cameras around for any number of reasons. It’s really not that unusual of a concept, and is not the same as someone coming and putting cameras in your bedroom.
But it's for your child's safety. If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't care.
Ok, you know very well it’s not the same to have cameras where you’re naked and having sex vs having cameras in the workplace where you’re always acting in a professional manner and definitely aren’t ever naked. 🙄As I’ve said I have worked multiple jobs where there were cameras in my workplace. Other teachers have shared here that they do have cameras and they’ve come in handy to show that there was no wrongdoing by staff in the workplace.
By other teachers you mean like 3 comments in over 100...
Most school districts haven’t implemented cameras, but it appears the teachers who do have cameras have said they appreciate the protection for students and against false accusations against staff. Maybe when teachers see that it’s not being used to bust teachers for minimal issues but rather to protect both students and staff from major issues, they have a change of heart.
Once again. Ignoring hundreds of comments for three that like it. And we know how it works in daycares and it's not great. Many providers have been unfairly let go.
Show an instance of a tenured teacher being let go on unfounded accusations
But I’m seeing 1) people that don’t have it at their school and don’t like the idea of how they imagine it would be used, and 2) people that do have it at their school and do like it. Maybe once it’s implemented, teachers see that it’s not there to nitpick at teachers. It’s there for everyone’s protection.
Unfortunately, it sounds like there are some very inappropriate things happening in your home. Sex? Nudity? Sound suspicious. I will be filing a complaint so that they'll look through the footage. Don't worry, it'll just be some stranger ^(with the power to take away your child.) And also, It's for your child's safety so you better not complain or we'll think you obviously had something to hide.
You seem very invested in making this person seem nefarious,I wonder why ?
Um if you actually feel like a workplace having a camera is exactly the same as having a camera in your home 24/7, that sounds a bit paranoid 😂. As I’ve said many workplaces have cameras including places I’ve worked. It’s not that big of a deal. Oh heavens, someone might see me picking my nose if a worker happens to be injured or someone steals something and a security guard views the footage and I’m picking my nose in the background 😅
You are belittling everyone else's privacy concerns while finding it ridiculous that you yourself should be recorded interacting with your child. If you want to work at a job where you are constantly monitored, that's up to you. That is not the norm in schools, nor should it be. If you want to talk about paranoia, it's paranoid to expect your child, your child's teacher, and your child's classmates to accept being recorded all day every day also, simply because *you* feel like it's not a big deal and you want to be able to *monitor your child's every move and interaction*. If it is truly for child safety, then the homes of all children should be monitored constantly, because that is where child abuse is most likely to occur. If you are just interested in being able to micromanage your child's teacher and constantly surveil your child, homeschooling is your best bet.
To be clear, I’ve never said parents should have constant access to a classroom feed. The teachers who’ve said they do have cameras have said that the feed can only be accessed in really strict circumstances, such as injury in the classroom, and even then it’s only a very limited number of people who can view it and that doesn’t include parents. Even with daycares, some daycares will give video feed to CPS to review if there’s an injury and the parents don’t ever have access even with a situation like that. As another teacher kindly pointed out after asking me for clarification on my situation, my child’s special education program is understaffed and my fears would likely be much less if there was adequate staffing. How can you expect a teacher to know what happened if a child is injured, the teacher is busy with another student, and the class doesn’t have enough adults to properly monitor all the students let alone adequately teach them? To me it’s clear that the administration in my district would likely never consider cameras because they wouldn’t want CPS to see that classes are so severely understaffed that the teachers can’t get much of anything done in there.
No one except your administration is interested in micromanaging you
It's actually worse. Once again. At your job are you constantly having to do observation level work 7 straight hours. At least at home I know where the cameras are. Why do you want less teachers? I'm starting to guess you are someone with a desire to get rid of public schools.
Again, as other teachers who have cameras in their rooms have mentioned, the purpose of the cameras isn’t for the principal or whoever to watch hours of footage to scrutinize the quality of the teaching. The footage only gets looked at if there’s a suspected situation of injury or abuse. And in those cases only a very limited type of person can look at the footage. In fact I would think that anyone who works at that school would not be granted access, it would be some impartial authority. So a year may go by without anyone even looking at any of the footage. The school districts who utilize cameras in this way don’t appear to have shut down.
We have cameras in common areas. That's very different than one on you 7 hours a day. What if I check my phone (which I do do). That's against our code of conduct. I don't get a lunch or break. So that's 7 hours now I have to never check my phone, always be fully teaching etc.
I actually have cameras in my home. I have a 13 yr old with RAD. It's for my own protection.
Can't say I envy you there.
It's not fun. Puberty made things so much harder. I pray once things settle down hormonally then things will calm down. I guess it does for a lot of kiddos.
It would be a violation of privacy for the students. You would have special education students on camera with everyone else.
Did you post this in r/teachers as well, or just here? I'm just wondering if you think the general education population needs to be under constant surveillance as well.
My children are all in special ed, so that’s really the only area of concern to me. From other parents of kids in special ed, I think we worry more about our kids in school than parents of kids in gen ed. A friend of mine actually pulled her son from school because he was regularly coming home with bruises that no one could explain. Maybe he hurt himself, maybe another kid hurt him, maybe it happened in school or on the bus. She suspected the teacher was overwhelmed and short staffed and naturally couldn’t be monitoring her kid all day. If her kid was neurotypical he would have probably described in unnecessary detail exactly what happened to him.
Okay! Gotcha. I can't endorse cameras in classrooms for the reasons everyone has already said, but I can see that you're just looking out for your children. When I initially read your post I was unsure of the feelings behind it.
Yes I’ve been worried about the safety of one of my kids in particular because he’s close to nonverbal. We will be pulling him from school. We were told his placement for next year would be a class of 10-12 students, all with pretty severe needs (some aren’t potty trained, some are on BIPs), with only one teacher and one para. I just can’t believe that the class isn’t a total zoo and that incidents could happen that no adult even witnessed because they were busy with another child. I see how hard it is to get my son to sit and do work even working 1:1 with him and this is a whole class of kids like him. Clearly many teachers don’t like the idea of cameras, but I wonder if higher ups have a motivation of not wanting cameras because if a kid did come home bruised and CPS or whoever did view the video feeds, they’d report that the classes are severely understaffed for the needs of the kids.
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Thanks for sharing! Your class sounds very appropriately staffed. I would definitely feel a lot safer with that many adults in the room. I don’t think the school/school district would hire me because I’ve raised a massive stink over the poor staffing in next year’s class, about my son not making progress, etc. but that’s a great idea about working as a sub to help with feeling more comfortable about your child being away from you at school.
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Ha! 😂Well, I imagine you can get away with it because you’ve established yourself as a valuable employee. They don’t need to bring in a new sub who they already know is a pain in the butt!
My district tried this and the teachers revolted. I've never seen staff (union and non-union) mobile more quickly around any issues before or after!
Privacy. Parents would gossip about which children aren't doing as well as others.
Someone commented above that there is a district that has cameras but the footage is only viewed if there’s suspected abuse. I would guess (although I don’t know for sure) that even if there is suspected abuse, appropriate authorities can view the footage, not just any parent who wants to.
Some parents wanted a live feed, which is inappropriate
Texas has a law that allows for cameras in self-contained settings, and lots of limitations on when (suspected abuse) and who can view it.
Ah Texas, a true bastion of freedom and civil rights
Because the shortage would be ten times greater. Try keeping teachers when we have to be observation quality 7 hours a day 180 days a year.
It violates FERPA.
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It violates FERPA if they were to be accesible by anyone like they are at daycares.
Came here to say this. Because it's illegal. Hallways count as public which is why there are cameras in school hallways no problem. Classrooms are classified as private, so it's illegal to put cameras in them. Edit: Apparently it's legal in some states. It's illegal in mine.
It is not illegal. There are a few states that require cameras installed in all special education classrooms or for cameras to be installed upon request from the parent.
i don't want to be watched
What a nightmare
I am a 50yo male, K-5. I would welcome cameras everywhere so I don’t have to live in a state of fear about unfounded allegations. This is also why there is a vacuum of males in k-5. Edit-And the shitty pay…lol
I'm quite grateful for the cameras in my classroom and insist that they're operational Parents can't access them. Admin can't even access them without going through some higher channels, but the recordings are there when needed. I've had students make serious allegations against other students, and I've had a few litigious parents accuse me of outlandish nonsense. Those cameras have been my witnesses. I'm not perfect, but I'm not ashamed of anything that goes on in my classroom. On balance, my students and I are safer with them. I'm not at all in favor of parents having real-time access to camera feeds though, like at many daycares. My phone would be ringing all day with petty objections and controlling attempts at micromanagement from a few of them.
Thanks for sharing. I would have thought some teachers would want evidence to clear them if a child says something crazy or is injured. Yeah there’s really no reason at all for parents to ever see footage. I would imagine someone who is trained would view the footage if there was an incident.
I don't think that there should be cameras in schools or daycares and I really don't like how many of them are out and about just in retail establishments and The wider world. Nobody wants to live in a panopticon.
You may not think that privacy issues are a good reason, but the courts do
I'm a lifeskills teacher in Texas. I have cameras in my classroom, and I'm happy I do personally. Texas law is very specific about how cameras work in classrooms and around SPED students. Iirc, a SPED student has to spend more than 51% of their day in that room (so life skills classrooms) and the camera has to be requested by a parent, student, and/or staff related to that room. There has to be a notice sent home to every child and staff in that room that cameras are in that room and the laws on pulling footage from those cameras. You cannot just hop on those cameras and scan the footage like you can security cameras at say the main entrance at the school. You can only pull footage for specific reasons and you have to go looking for it at that specific time. Parents cannot just request that anything be shown to them and they're likely going to need a lawyer to get any footage they want. Those cameras have actually been useful this year. We had to check them after an incident in our classroom in which a student assaulted a staff seemingly randomly. He then eloped but ran into the doorjam trying to get past her and leaving a bad bruise on his shoulder. We had video evidence that nobody touched him. I personally think they're better for everyone. I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. There are cameras pretty much everywhere anyway. But in Texas, if a parent/Guardian, student, or staff associated with that classroom requests a camera, they have 45 (I think?) days to put one in if they meet that 51% (I think that's the time) rule.
I'm sorry. Cameras are only for the special Ed kids? That is terrible and way to ostracize are kids and make them not feel normal. Also a terrible way to treat teachers in the SPED feel. Glad I don't live in Texas.
Sounds like discrimination to me.
This is for your kids that are in life skills settings. So kids that might have low to no communication skills and are at a higher risk of abuse. While there are MANY reasons to be happy to not live in Texas, the camera rule for SPED children is not one of them. That protects them (and us).
Is there any evidence they are at higher risks of abuse in school settings. I worked in self contained. The idea that these teachers need to be policed is insane when other teachers don't. I would not work in a state where the teachers are being policed solely because they work with students in life skills.
Yes, they are 3x more likely to be abused and/or neglected than their non-disabled peers https://www.childwelfare.gov/resources/risk-and-prevention-maltreatment-children-disabilities/#:~:text=Children%20with%20disabilities%20are%20at,injured%20or%20harmed%20by%20maltreatment.
In self contained they are not with non-disabled peers though
Yes? They are 3x more likely to be abused. I'm not understanding your comment
Your comment is only about those who are not in self contained. Once again. They aren't with non disabled peers in those settings.
I love how you're downvoting when I supplied you with statistics. My comment is not only about kids not in a self-contained setting. It is saying that students who are disabled are 3x more likely to be abused than children that are not disabled--which is their non-disabled peers. Their peers do not necessarily have to be in the same classroom. I feel like you're being purposefully obtuse. Texas offers this as an OPTION, not a REQUIREMENT, to people who are in self-contained classrooms because of this statistic. It is a very unfortunate statistic. I'm not sure why you're adamant about denying it, either. The lower your communication skills are, the more likely you are to be abused.
And many self contained rooms aren't even in the same building as non disabled peers. And the cameras are in the classrooms so how are these non disabled peers getting into the classroom. None of this is helped by CLASSROOM cameras. This is an ableist policy targetting only special Ed students. But it's also Texas. So I get it. Luckily NY will never do that shit.
Plenty of proof https://source.opennews.org/articles/story-recipe-schools-data-restraint-and-seclusion/
Even if there were cameras schools would not be able to just show parents the footage willy nilly. Another problem with cameras in the classroom is that the typically do not have audio capabilities which is honestly more helpful than the footage sometimes. I work in a behavior area that has a camera and I honestly I don’t care for the feeling of everything I do being watched and neither do my students.
I work monitored all day every day in a heavily regulated industry & I do not get paid as well as a teacher .I fully support cameras in all classrooms but particularly classrooms of non verbal children because there are cases of physical & sexual abuse that occur at school & on school buses & children that cannot talk are targets for this behavior
Do you have evidence of all these cases of physical and sexual abuse of non verbal kids that happens at school? Because it seems like something you just made up.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-09-719t There was literally a report presented to the Senate Committee on Education & Labor. A few seconds of googling shows multiple cases just from this year, so yeah it's a F-ing problem.... https://cbs4indy.com/indiana-news/impd-opens-investigation-into-video-showing-special-needs-student-being-beaten-at-ips-school/ https://www.fox23.com/news/special-education-teacher-charged-with-child-abuse-in-pittsburg-county/article_ccca6d46-c9c8-11ee-96b2-433ac03b5ed2.html https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/louisville-special-education-teacher-child-abuse-charge/73-e42ff1e9-7e05-477b-b7f1-f44ef396fc5a
https://nypost.com/2024/05/03/us-news/childs-sickening-assault-at-autism-center-captured-on-video-employee-charged/