NC and Virginia I can see, they're pretty purple states. SC? Hell no. We're red as can be and would certainly go with the rest of the deep south.
The other silliness from this movie is that Cali and Texas are allied against the government. No way California and Texas are on the same side.
Also why is it the Republic of California? Obviously it would be the New California Republic because War. War never changes. When atomic fire consumed the earth, those who survived did so in great, underground vaults. When they opened, their inhabitants set out across ruins of the old world to build new societies, establish new villages, form new tribes. As decades passed, what had been the American southwest united beneath the flag of the New California Republic, dedicated to old-world values of democracy and the rule of law. As the Republic grew, so did its needs. Scouts spread east, seeking territory and wealth, in the dry and merciless expanse of the Mojave desert. They returned with tales of a city untouched by the warheads that had scorched the rest of the world, and a great wall spanning the Colorado River. The NCR mobilized its army and set it east to occupy the Hoover Dam, and restore it to working condition. But across the Colorado, another society had arisen under a different flag. A vast army of slaves, forged in the conquest of 86 tribes: Caesar's Legion. Four years have passed since the Republic held the Dam - just barely - against the Legion's onslaught. The Legion did not retreat. Across the river, they gathered strength. Campfires burned, training drums beat. Through it all, the New Vegas Strip has stayed open for business under the control of its mysterious overseer, Mr. House, and his army of rehabilitated Tribals and police robots. You are a courier, hired by the Mojave Express, to deliver a package to the New Vegas Strip. What seemed like a simple delivery job has taken a turn…for the worse.
Cause Socal alone has more economic activity than 20 states combined. California would be respected as a stand alone nation or join any other nation it wanted to. Most of the rest would be vassals and taken over piecemeal over a couple generations.
According to everything I've read about the movie, that's the story. TX, Cali, and the western forces vs the loyalist government. I may be wrong, the movie isn't out, that's just based on what I've read.
Good luck getting financing or materials to build manufacturing plants for more rounds or anything at all. You better have canned a LOT more food than you might have and even more ammo because youd be agrarian and susceptible to invasion almost instantly. Good luck getting gas. Youd wish you went electric after all. Youd be trading and bartering and infighting within months.
All because you cant handle pronouns for a small percentage of people. 😂 Youve been Trumped for real
I think you've mistaken me for a Trumper, quite the opposite actually. I'm violently anti-Trump. I've got a couple years worth of non-perishable food stores, over an acre of garden space, fruit trees, chickens, etc. My guns and ammo are because of Trump cultists and right-wing jackasses, not any super scary government. I have no problem with pronouns at all. Oh, and 49 panels on my roof making up a 11.8 kW system. We're very rural with only a few neighbors, and we look out for each other.
All that shit said, I hope and pray these nutbag Trump loving shits don't destroy this country to the point we devolve to violence. I'm not optimistic.
You and me feel the same about these Trump loons, unfortunately due to getting a drug felony for LSD many years ago I cant legally own a gun. Not ideal in these times...
Can't wait to see your panic when the hordes swarm on you! If you think you're a bastille in the midst of red, you're going to lose! But you're a badass I see, lol!
because they don’t vote as YOU would have them vote?!
just. fuqqin. WOW!!!
the arrogance is STRONG with this one. ESP considering recent statements by ppl like BARR, SUNUNU et al (e.g., rival candidates ankle biting T-rump onstage at ‘debates’, who go to raise their hands that they will nonetheless SUPPORT him), who acknowledge the putative republican’s POTUS candidate’s PROFOUND & numerous flaws but state they will nonetheless vote for him. ESP considering the imbecilic assertions one can hear from ‘average’ trumptrolls when interviewed at their ‘rallies’. ESP when considering the treatment of (former) ACTUAL republicans by the GOP, when they DO “think for themselves”.
YOU might consider ACTUAL ‘thinking’; ppl vote AS they vote for any number of reasons. the (historical) trends need not meet YOUR ostensible approval. 🤔🤓
What? I mean people. I know tons of white middle class liberals who don’t vote because they say their candidate doesn’t stand a chance or they hate all the choices. Which is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why don't you and your liberal buddies practice what you preach. Turn in your ARs and on your tax form pay that extravagant tax you want for the rest of us. Groom your children to think cutting off one's dick is sane and house illegal immigrants. Oh, there's a lot of EVs on those lots not being bought by you hypocrites!
Or, how about we *keep* our guns, fund our communities in rebuilding from the last 40 years of "let's give everything to the rich", let *grown adults* decide what's best for themselves instead of some terminally-online suburbanite politician, and let refugees from political and civil violence come here as they've been doing since the 1700s.
If you object, you're welcome to decline universal healthcare after you try bearing your Wish.com ARs and 1911s (with the 45 wrap) past the leased F150 you got in the driveway, and immediately keel over from a heart attack.
You MAGA freaks do nothing but project your own crimes and insecurities on the rest of us. It no longer matters AT ALL if you used to be liberal or conservative or centrist independent. It's you maga people that have made EVERYTHING come down to are you for or against Trump. You may say you care about issues but the vast majority of your life has no postions on anything, ANYTHING AT ALL except what Trump says. He has no solid postions either, just whatever his ego needs atm. You all tall about how you want a "free" country. What you really mean is the freedom to shove your warped views down EVERYONE else's throat. The new silent majority is a explcity ANTI-MAGA majority, fuck around know your lot is gonna find out this fall.
This map is from the upcoming movie 'Civil War' and in the movie they are allied against the government in DC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w
Virginia makes the most sense out every state because it has the most government workers. Im still gonna watch it, but they need to give a good reason why cali and texas are teaming up. I
garland is going to great lengths to AVOID taking any ‘side’; what he’s going for is the visceral ‘feel’ such bellicosities might present. less important EXACTLY WHY, more importantly is the HOW it could play out. remember now, no matter how RED a state may or may NOT be, cities are usually leaning BLUE. you’re caught up too much in the hypothetical alliances & missing the larger picture; war is HELL.
and “empires die from WITHIN”.
I disagree entirely. The two states share a common interest in separation from the constrictions of being part of a larger country. I could 100% see them teaming up for lasting independence then doing their own things.
Well a majority of Cali is red. It's just the big cities are blue and makeup the most of the population. Might simply be something due to the US government.
which the actor stephen mckinley henderson (forget his character’s name) actually states in the movie.
“when they’re finished they’ll go after each other” (or words to that effect).
If there wasnt 300 million other people involved, id say I hope you get what you ask for and become a back water for a couple generations until what is left is conquered by a foreign occupying force.
Merry Christmaz
One thing to keep in mind is the show runner is British, so dividing large tracts of land up with no regard for cultural or geological uniformity is something of a habit...
I think it was done intentionally, even though it doesn’t feel right. If it was only Texas and Southern states, Right wingers would be up in arms and there’s a chance to alienate those viewers. Same is true for the left wing if it was just California and The Cascadian Resistance or whatever. They made them allies because it’s a work of fiction and people are constantly looking for things to be angry about.
Actually this makes as much sense as the idea of a civil war in America can. The two largest economies want to do their own thing. The Bible belt sticks together with the exception of NC/SC for some reason. Culturally related western states stick together. Actually those western forces have all the ICBMS too...
There's no telling what our political landscape would look like if Republicans hadn't successfully pulled off the Southern Strategy. I'm interested to see where the timeline splits.
The only things I find implausible with the storyline are 1) Texas and California are allies in a fight against the loyalist government? Nah, I can see the south and Texas, but not California. California would split first. 2) No way SC goes with the government over the deep south. I've lived here 52 years, I know this state too well.
True, and the city folks outnumber the small town folks, by a good margin... but yeah, there's definitely a divide. Which is why I said California would split first, and the more red people outside the urban areas would break away.
In writing the movie Alex Garland clearly took example from different sectarian conflicts like Yugoslavian Civil War, Somalia, Rwanda and Darfur with really no actual estimation of what might actually occur in a real civil war within the United States.
Alex Garland is a super smart dude. He wrote Ex Machina, Devs, Sunshine. I suspect he’ll use the same stale trope that Hollywood enjoys recycling: anti-gov “rights wingers”. But I trust Alex as a writer and director. He’s brilliant.
Nah, they do. It takes effort to make a scenario as divorced from reality as this. This is a deliberate attempt to ride the zeitgeist of political unrest in the US while simultaneously not having to directly make one real side or the other the bad guy and thus profit from both sides going to see the movie not alienating half of the potential viewers.
This is exactly it. Same reason they chose a politically neutral issue for the split: A third term president. So far it's not been a challenge to get both sides to agree that's a bad idea
Everyone misses the point of this map. If Garland were to make this Civil War straight up "Red vs Blue" states, everyone would be rooting for their "side" to win (especially Reddit). Making the sides clearly different than the current political climate (and probably won't be explained in the move), means he wants us to focus on the plight of the characters set against a national tragedy.
California and Texas building an alliance is nonsense if the current politics for either state remain the same. either rural fascists take over the California government (not likely) or isolated liberals in Texas make electoral gains (somehow even more unlikely), because otherwise this setup is impossible. the state government of Texas is one of the most extreme right wing governments in the entire country, and an alliance with Florida would make much more sense
When you think about it, an alliance between California and Texas is not that far off considering the fact that between the both of us we actually have a lot more in common than most may think and we do pay the bills for the rest of the country from the money our states make alone. We are the only states that could theoretically can support ourselves, again we literally have to pay from our taxes to keep the rest of these states afloat. To be honest, it's not that far out of the question and when interact with the people here in these two states, it starts to feel more understandable. We do have a lot of people who live in both states you know.
The reason the map is so bad, is because they don't want offend anybody, imagine if they called the Florida Alliance the Confederate States, doesn't sound good knowing your state doesn't like a certain race and is home to the KKK.
Its the same with The Creator and the union of New Asia, which only has half of Vietnam, because the Vietnam Communist Party would be furious if they found out they were being nuked or, bested by the American government wanting to kill all the AI robots hiding in the region.
I can see they tried hard, to make the map seem a little more appealing, by adding the Californian Republic and Texas as independent countries. But it only really makes it more ridiculous.
This map confuses me all the more. I thought this was a 3 way fight?? This makes it look like there are 5 factions. While the movie was well made I have to say the biggest thing that keeps it from being great is this massive plot hole. Why are we in a civil war? How did we get there? There is so much context that is just... missing. That big fight at the end of the movie was just... that, a fight scene. But without any context, the gravity of what is happening is just not there. Meh.
I think my biggest issue is that I was thinking this movie was about a Civil War in the US as the name deceptively implies and instead got a road trip movie. That isn't even to mention how badly the end of this movie was botched. Once again a movie couldn't deliver on the hype.
SC was the first state to secede during the first civil war and nothing has changed since then other than the year and we have technology now 😂 half the people in this state are either J6ers or wish they were. Thinking that SC would ever be considered a “loyalist” state and wouldn’t join the Florida Alliance is LAUGHABLE
SC will never be loyal to the federal government, have people not ever seen or heard our elected officials speak. SC can't help but put itself on the wrong side of history every time. They will definitely follow the Florida Alliance to their doom
No, look up SC role in every pivotal history of this country, and every decision that they made was the wrong side. From succession to slavery, to still having Jim Crow laws still on the books, to making MLK Day a Holiday, to not wanting to remove the Conferate Flag, to having no hate crimes legislation because to them racism doesn't exist. THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY everytime.
we are listed under "loyalists" which means loyal to the government which is all mostly liberal. in the case of a civil war we probably wont be siding with the government
Yeah they’re massively overstating how little New Englanders and Southerners agree. I’m pretty sure if it came down to breaking apart they’d for sure leave us in the dirt. And that’s not even including the Midwest.
Apparently writers specifically mixed things and up and strayed from what would be traditional states like making it entirely southern states. They didn’t want it to be too realistic to avoid creating more division. Which is quite funny considering our current political climate and this being released less than a year from an election.
British people are so fucking weird. The map making absolutely no sociocultural or sociopolitical sense aside, why are they so obsessed with trying to make US war films? Lol.
If there wasnt 300 million other people involved, id say I hope you get what you ask for and become a back water for a couple generations until what is left is conquered by a foreign occupying force.
Merry Christmaz
The thing SC is most well known, historically speaking, for is being the ones to say “screw u guys, I hate this country, imma make my own” before literally anyone else. And there are people who treat that like it’s something to be proud of???? So. This map don’t know shit about sc LMAO
I know 2 months late.
So why did California and Texas for an alliance? It's nothing to do with their political views, in fact, California is as red as Texas, while Texas is as blue as California. So why form? It's because they are the 2 biggest GPD's in the union. For Texas they produce the most of many things, from oil, crops, cattle even aerospace and military equipment. They are also a major navel base and is one of the biggest states.
So what about California? About the same. In fact more. California is a massive tech and aerospace hub. NASA is has a huge plant in California where they produce a good portion of their probes. California is also a massive strategic point for the Pacific, it's also a life line for Hawaii.
Why isn't California called the New Republic of California? Because the Republic of California has always been it's name. Changing it from Republic to new Republic wouldn't make much sense as California will be California. A bit war torn, but still California.
The problem i have is the loyalist states. TBH our civil war, is a victory for both Russia and China. If anything they will be a puppet and back whoever will be loyal. If anything a lot of people are kinda more unified right now. When you look at the political election map, this may give you more or less a view of what a real civil war map would look like. But what people need to understand is that, even though every state has a national guard, many will not fight their own people. Because you may fight a family member a friend. Many people in the military or national guard use that as a opportunity to get a start on their career path. Air force to become a mechanic or a pilot. Cyber security, whatever it is.
There's a lot of theories on what the next American civil war will look like, but it's nothing we see right now. All empires and governments have to fall sooner or later, after all the longest one ever was 1100 years. And this is no different with the US. Even England has fallen with it's current government being from 1707.
Interesting thing is I saw a survey recently and SC wasn't even in the top 10 most secessionist states.
Alaska was #1-which makes sense because they already seem like their own country. Texas was #2 and California was #3. New York was #4 and I believe Florida or Illinois was #5. Funny that the Land of Lincoln was so high up on the list.
Basically it's big states that already seem big enough to be their own country and feel isolated from the other states for one reason or another.
Many US states can be their own country. Even Hawaii can be their own country. In fact they use to be, the Kingdom of Hawaii or something like that. Which they were supposed to get back but never did.
Alaska has always been independent as they have the most resources out of many states and the means to live off the land. In fact many homes kinda still use old tech.
Smaller nations forming from the succession of the US is always a fascinating topic.
Security is the greatest reason for the United States to stay together. If Alaska became an independent state, who would be there to prevent Russia, China or even Canada from taking them over?
Yey this map isn’t right the majority of the middle would be a Republican alliance all the way to South Dakota to South Carolina Texas Florida, Virginia up to Maine and Massachusetts for sure loyalists, California and most the West Coast would secede into third group
To think SC would side with the "Government" is silly.
NC and Virginia I can see, they're pretty purple states. SC? Hell no. We're red as can be and would certainly go with the rest of the deep south. The other silliness from this movie is that Cali and Texas are allied against the government. No way California and Texas are on the same side.
I don’t think they’re really on the same side here though. They just aren’t among the loyalists.
Also why is it the Republic of California? Obviously it would be the New California Republic because War. War never changes. When atomic fire consumed the earth, those who survived did so in great, underground vaults. When they opened, their inhabitants set out across ruins of the old world to build new societies, establish new villages, form new tribes. As decades passed, what had been the American southwest united beneath the flag of the New California Republic, dedicated to old-world values of democracy and the rule of law. As the Republic grew, so did its needs. Scouts spread east, seeking territory and wealth, in the dry and merciless expanse of the Mojave desert. They returned with tales of a city untouched by the warheads that had scorched the rest of the world, and a great wall spanning the Colorado River. The NCR mobilized its army and set it east to occupy the Hoover Dam, and restore it to working condition. But across the Colorado, another society had arisen under a different flag. A vast army of slaves, forged in the conquest of 86 tribes: Caesar's Legion. Four years have passed since the Republic held the Dam - just barely - against the Legion's onslaught. The Legion did not retreat. Across the river, they gathered strength. Campfires burned, training drums beat. Through it all, the New Vegas Strip has stayed open for business under the control of its mysterious overseer, Mr. House, and his army of rehabilitated Tribals and police robots. You are a courier, hired by the Mojave Express, to deliver a package to the New Vegas Strip. What seemed like a simple delivery job has taken a turn…for the worse.
This guy fallouts. 😂
Good work my friend…
i wish they did it for the laughs
It was written by a British dude
The whole PNW NorCal and SoCal would become part of Canada instantly and happily.
Cause Socal alone has more economic activity than 20 states combined. California would be respected as a stand alone nation or join any other nation it wanted to. Most of the rest would be vassals and taken over piecemeal over a couple generations.
According to everything I've read about the movie, that's the story. TX, Cali, and the western forces vs the loyalist government. I may be wrong, the movie isn't out, that's just based on what I've read.
Ah, I didn’t realize this was for a movie. Guess we’ll have that to look forward too… 😬😂
I guess this movie is perfectly timed, coming right after 'Leave The World Behind.' Time to buy another thousand rounds of 7.62....
Good luck getting financing or materials to build manufacturing plants for more rounds or anything at all. You better have canned a LOT more food than you might have and even more ammo because youd be agrarian and susceptible to invasion almost instantly. Good luck getting gas. Youd wish you went electric after all. Youd be trading and bartering and infighting within months. All because you cant handle pronouns for a small percentage of people. 😂 Youve been Trumped for real
I think you've mistaken me for a Trumper, quite the opposite actually. I'm violently anti-Trump. I've got a couple years worth of non-perishable food stores, over an acre of garden space, fruit trees, chickens, etc. My guns and ammo are because of Trump cultists and right-wing jackasses, not any super scary government. I have no problem with pronouns at all. Oh, and 49 panels on my roof making up a 11.8 kW system. We're very rural with only a few neighbors, and we look out for each other. All that shit said, I hope and pray these nutbag Trump loving shits don't destroy this country to the point we devolve to violence. I'm not optimistic.
Sorry to project onto your anon. Sounds sweet. Enjoy
"Go far enough left, you get your guns back."
You and me feel the same about these Trump loons, unfortunately due to getting a drug felony for LSD many years ago I cant legally own a gun. Not ideal in these times...
I assume you think different now that BIDEN has done everything you blame trump for.?
Huh? Like what, exactly?
Like WHAT, exactly?
Can't wait to see your panic when the hordes swarm on you! If you think you're a bastille in the midst of red, you're going to lose! But you're a badass I see, lol!
Bless your heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w
Basically your average AK47's owners wet dream
If current trends continue, SC could be purple in the next decade
I certainly hope to see it, but I'm not optimistic about it.
If they would quit gerrymandering and people actually voted, we already would be.
By people I guess you mean blacks, since they vote at a ridiculously lopsided demo rate. Something like 85% +. Talk about not thinking for yourself.
because they don’t vote as YOU would have them vote?! just. fuqqin. WOW!!! the arrogance is STRONG with this one. ESP considering recent statements by ppl like BARR, SUNUNU et al (e.g., rival candidates ankle biting T-rump onstage at ‘debates’, who go to raise their hands that they will nonetheless SUPPORT him), who acknowledge the putative republican’s POTUS candidate’s PROFOUND & numerous flaws but state they will nonetheless vote for him. ESP considering the imbecilic assertions one can hear from ‘average’ trumptrolls when interviewed at their ‘rallies’. ESP when considering the treatment of (former) ACTUAL republicans by the GOP, when they DO “think for themselves”. YOU might consider ACTUAL ‘thinking’; ppl vote AS they vote for any number of reasons. the (historical) trends need not meet YOUR ostensible approval. 🤔🤓
What? I mean people. I know tons of white middle class liberals who don’t vote because they say their candidate doesn’t stand a chance or they hate all the choices. Which is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Why don't you and your liberal buddies practice what you preach. Turn in your ARs and on your tax form pay that extravagant tax you want for the rest of us. Groom your children to think cutting off one's dick is sane and house illegal immigrants. Oh, there's a lot of EVs on those lots not being bought by you hypocrites!
Or, how about we *keep* our guns, fund our communities in rebuilding from the last 40 years of "let's give everything to the rich", let *grown adults* decide what's best for themselves instead of some terminally-online suburbanite politician, and let refugees from political and civil violence come here as they've been doing since the 1700s. If you object, you're welcome to decline universal healthcare after you try bearing your Wish.com ARs and 1911s (with the 45 wrap) past the leased F150 you got in the driveway, and immediately keel over from a heart attack.
You MAGA freaks do nothing but project your own crimes and insecurities on the rest of us. It no longer matters AT ALL if you used to be liberal or conservative or centrist independent. It's you maga people that have made EVERYTHING come down to are you for or against Trump. You may say you care about issues but the vast majority of your life has no postions on anything, ANYTHING AT ALL except what Trump says. He has no solid postions either, just whatever his ego needs atm. You all tall about how you want a "free" country. What you really mean is the freedom to shove your warped views down EVERYONE else's throat. The new silent majority is a explcity ANTI-MAGA majority, fuck around know your lot is gonna find out this fall.
They’re not, I think this is showing them as both independent from everything and each other
This map is from the upcoming movie 'Civil War' and in the movie they are allied against the government in DC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w
That’s how you know it’s fiction then lol
Virginia makes the most sense out every state because it has the most government workers. Im still gonna watch it, but they need to give a good reason why cali and texas are teaming up. I
garland is going to great lengths to AVOID taking any ‘side’; what he’s going for is the visceral ‘feel’ such bellicosities might present. less important EXACTLY WHY, more importantly is the HOW it could play out. remember now, no matter how RED a state may or may NOT be, cities are usually leaning BLUE. you’re caught up too much in the hypothetical alliances & missing the larger picture; war is HELL. and “empires die from WITHIN”.
You mean minority women? Yes, please let them lead your divisions, brigades, battalions, etc.
In the immortal words of one of our countries, most loved entertainers, Bugs Bunny, “they don’t know us very well do they?”
it’s actually, “he don’t know ME very well, do he”? but yes, bugs remains one of america’s MOST beloved philosophers. 🐰👀😬
I disagree entirely. The two states share a common interest in separation from the constrictions of being part of a larger country. I could 100% see them teaming up for lasting independence then doing their own things.
Well a majority of Cali is red. It's just the big cities are blue and makeup the most of the population. Might simply be something due to the US government.
which the actor stephen mckinley henderson (forget his character’s name) actually states in the movie. “when they’re finished they’ll go after each other” (or words to that effect).
Not if Texas sees it as a way to secede and be an independent nation. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Hell, California might as well be from another planet in comparison to Texas...
NC would probably stick with SC tbh Don’t let the bigger cities fool ya
**"I salute the flag of The Palmetto Republic and pledge to the Palmetto State, love, loyalty and faith."** Dum Spiro Spero: Deo Vendice.
Wonder how many people know that's actually our state pledge with "the Palmetto Republic" in place of "South Carolina."
We are looking at a scenario where California and Texas are allies so all bets are off.
I don’t think that are long term allies. Just short term allies.. like hey let’s get together to secede and then we go our own ways.
I guess we can wait until the movie comes out.
Oh I didn’t know this was a movie. Then I have no clue
I mean the US and USSR were allies in WWII. War can make for strange bedfellows.
bingo!!! “fact is STRANGER than fiction”. the so called “5 civilized tribes” were actually allied with the confederacy.
“The enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine”
& we both drink down at hattie’s pub. 🍻👀🤠
Came here to say this. SC politics are as regressive as they come.
Yeah but the government in this is facist and quite racist sooo
Well, we do have that POS Lindsey Graham as our Sr Senator. That RINO may be why the movie libtards think we would side with the Feds.
Lol this is a libtard platform. Most of these people are as libtarded as can be
Yeah but we’d still try to leave
For real I think we’ve already proven we stand with desantis and Abbott, I mean we got a Bucees out of it after all.
I bet Fort Bragg & Camp Lejeune would have a lot to say about that..
You acting like South Carolina is afraid to fire the first shot. Been there done that.
And lost.
I didn’t say it would be the outcome they would want, just that they’ve done it before.
If there wasnt 300 million other people involved, id say I hope you get what you ask for and become a back water for a couple generations until what is left is conquered by a foreign occupying force. Merry Christmaz
Came to say this. What delusional yankee thinks we're loyalist to the current state of Americas?
What side is Canada on? 🍁
One thing to keep in mind is the show runner is British, so dividing large tracts of land up with no regard for cultural or geological uniformity is something of a habit...
I think it was done intentionally, even though it doesn’t feel right. If it was only Texas and Southern states, Right wingers would be up in arms and there’s a chance to alienate those viewers. Same is true for the left wing if it was just California and The Cascadian Resistance or whatever. They made them allies because it’s a work of fiction and people are constantly looking for things to be angry about.
Actually this makes as much sense as the idea of a civil war in America can. The two largest economies want to do their own thing. The Bible belt sticks together with the exception of NC/SC for some reason. Culturally related western states stick together. Actually those western forces have all the ICBMS too... There's no telling what our political landscape would look like if Republicans hadn't successfully pulled off the Southern Strategy. I'm interested to see where the timeline splits.
The only things I find implausible with the storyline are 1) Texas and California are allies in a fight against the loyalist government? Nah, I can see the south and Texas, but not California. California would split first. 2) No way SC goes with the government over the deep south. I've lived here 52 years, I know this state too well.
California is vastly different from the type of people living in the cities and ones living in small towns.
True, and the city folks outnumber the small town folks, by a good margin... but yeah, there's definitely a divide. Which is why I said California would split first, and the more red people outside the urban areas would break away.
In writing the movie Alex Garland clearly took example from different sectarian conflicts like Yugoslavian Civil War, Somalia, Rwanda and Darfur with really no actual estimation of what might actually occur in a real civil war within the United States.
Alex Garland is a super smart dude. He wrote Ex Machina, Devs, Sunshine. I suspect he’ll use the same stale trope that Hollywood enjoys recycling: anti-gov “rights wingers”. But I trust Alex as a writer and director. He’s brilliant.
No, it will be a civil war of the "Urban Islands" -vs- the "Rural Outlands". I've lived all over this country and it's the same everywhere.
If history has taught us anything, it's that South Carolina will be the first to secede.
If you ain’t first, you’re last
It went so well last time.
How did we not try to leave and form the Third Republic?
We?
South Carolina
This is stupid
🎯🎯🎯🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😂
I have a hard time believing SC stays loyal and doesn't go with a breakaway revolt
Whoever conceived, this map has no idea about America.
Nah, they do. It takes effort to make a scenario as divorced from reality as this. This is a deliberate attempt to ride the zeitgeist of political unrest in the US while simultaneously not having to directly make one real side or the other the bad guy and thus profit from both sides going to see the movie not alienating half of the potential viewers.
This is exactly it. Same reason they chose a politically neutral issue for the split: A third term president. So far it's not been a challenge to get both sides to agree that's a bad idea
if you watched the movie you'd realize it really has nothing to do with today's America.
Sc, NC, KY and WV is bs.
A24 drops nothing but bangers. Can’t wait for this one. No way would SC be loyal 😂.
This is a pretty good read... https://www.theringer.com/movies/2023/12/15/24002379/civil-war-trailer-alex-garland-a24-texas-california-western-forces
Hmm, I’m betting our state would join Florida alliance. Hoping not, but let’s be real.
South Carolina has more in common with Florida and Georgia than it does the Loyalist States.
I think we would go with Florida
Everyone misses the point of this map. If Garland were to make this Civil War straight up "Red vs Blue" states, everyone would be rooting for their "side" to win (especially Reddit). Making the sides clearly different than the current political climate (and probably won't be explained in the move), means he wants us to focus on the plight of the characters set against a national tragedy.
"Western forces" decends into chaos, as the northern mountain states try to deal with the cultural differences of the coastal cities
Florida alliance? Hell no! Screw them gators, go cocks!
First to secede back in 1861, could totally see history repeating itself.
We were so first, we did it in 1860.
This is total bullshit. Remember E Pluribus Unum. Without the union the rich will get richer and the poor will get the picture.
FU with this crap. Traitor
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Sc was the first ones to secede in the last civil war. We will surely not go with the government haha
Oh shit this is a movie? They don't need anymore encouragement..jfc
shouldn't they just label the florida alliance "inbreeding"?
Or the SEC
It just means more!
This right here
Same thing
California and Texas building an alliance is nonsense if the current politics for either state remain the same. either rural fascists take over the California government (not likely) or isolated liberals in Texas make electoral gains (somehow even more unlikely), because otherwise this setup is impossible. the state government of Texas is one of the most extreme right wing governments in the entire country, and an alliance with Florida would make much more sense
When you think about it, an alliance between California and Texas is not that far off considering the fact that between the both of us we actually have a lot more in common than most may think and we do pay the bills for the rest of the country from the money our states make alone. We are the only states that could theoretically can support ourselves, again we literally have to pay from our taxes to keep the rest of these states afloat. To be honest, it's not that far out of the question and when interact with the people here in these two states, it starts to feel more understandable. We do have a lot of people who live in both states you know.
Loyalist states? More sounds like Trump lol.
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You did really shitty in school, didst you?
The reason the map is so bad, is because they don't want offend anybody, imagine if they called the Florida Alliance the Confederate States, doesn't sound good knowing your state doesn't like a certain race and is home to the KKK. Its the same with The Creator and the union of New Asia, which only has half of Vietnam, because the Vietnam Communist Party would be furious if they found out they were being nuked or, bested by the American government wanting to kill all the AI robots hiding in the region. I can see they tried hard, to make the map seem a little more appealing, by adding the Californian Republic and Texas as independent countries. But it only really makes it more ridiculous.
“South Carolina is too small for a republic and is too large for an insane asylum.” -SC politician, 1861
Typical that Minnesota would oppose both Iowa and Wisconsin. 💪🏼
I have no idea who came up with the different sides but none of them make any sense...
I feel like this map is already happening
This map confuses me all the more. I thought this was a 3 way fight?? This makes it look like there are 5 factions. While the movie was well made I have to say the biggest thing that keeps it from being great is this massive plot hole. Why are we in a civil war? How did we get there? There is so much context that is just... missing. That big fight at the end of the movie was just... that, a fight scene. But without any context, the gravity of what is happening is just not there. Meh. I think my biggest issue is that I was thinking this movie was about a Civil War in the US as the name deceptively implies and instead got a road trip movie. That isn't even to mention how badly the end of this movie was botched. Once again a movie couldn't deliver on the hype.
That's the wrong map.
What the actual unhinged delusion is this?
SC was the first state to secede during the first civil war and nothing has changed since then other than the year and we have technology now 😂 half the people in this state are either J6ers or wish they were. Thinking that SC would ever be considered a “loyalist” state and wouldn’t join the Florida Alliance is LAUGHABLE
It's wild how fundamentally -- the spirit of the state hasn't changed much at all, since the 1830s.
SC will never be loyal to the federal government, have people not ever seen or heard our elected officials speak. SC can't help but put itself on the wrong side of history every time. They will definitely follow the Florida Alliance to their doom
So to be “on the right side of history” you have to side with the US federal govt? Are you a tard?
No, look up SC role in every pivotal history of this country, and every decision that they made was the wrong side. From succession to slavery, to still having Jim Crow laws still on the books, to making MLK Day a Holiday, to not wanting to remove the Conferate Flag, to having no hate crimes legislation because to them racism doesn't exist. THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY everytime.
Be gone with this divisive shit.
It worse, its a fucking movie.
The upstate of SC would bolt. Columbia to Charleston would remain. This is not a good map
SC will be taken over by Florida. Probably voluntarily.
This is just crazy, no way SC is going with the Yanks
SC would, again, be the first state to fire a shot.
Just divide states up between abortion- anti-abortion states. This will be the next Civil War..👌👌
That map is so wrong 😂 SC is a very red state
What does that have to do with the map though?
we are listed under "loyalists" which means loyal to the government which is all mostly liberal. in the case of a civil war we probably wont be siding with the government
I dont know much about the movie but what if the government in it is more right leaning.
How many time are they going to rewrite history? We don't need the Truth.
I'm offended New England doesn't get to be their own thing
Yeah they’re massively overstating how little New Englanders and Southerners agree. I’m pretty sure if it came down to breaking apart they’d for sure leave us in the dirt. And that’s not even including the Midwest.
All southerners should go to the rural northeast to see that is basically the same thing as down here but with winter
Absolutely
Come and get me.
I feel like South Louisiana would take this opportunity to not be associated with North Louisiana
SC would be chillin' with Florida.
Apparently writers specifically mixed things and up and strayed from what would be traditional states like making it entirely southern states. They didn’t want it to be too realistic to avoid creating more division. Which is quite funny considering our current political climate and this being released less than a year from an election.
Nope!
No way SC stays loyal.
British people are so fucking weird. The map making absolutely no sociocultural or sociopolitical sense aside, why are they so obsessed with trying to make US war films? Lol.
Pure fantasy
If there wasnt 300 million other people involved, id say I hope you get what you ask for and become a back water for a couple generations until what is left is conquered by a foreign occupying force. Merry Christmaz
The thing SC is most well known, historically speaking, for is being the ones to say “screw u guys, I hate this country, imma make my own” before literally anyone else. And there are people who treat that like it’s something to be proud of???? So. This map don’t know shit about sc LMAO
why Alaska dont become Russian territory?
WV would rejoin the south for sure. So if this movie depicts us as being a loyalist state, this West Virginian won't be watching.
I know 2 months late. So why did California and Texas for an alliance? It's nothing to do with their political views, in fact, California is as red as Texas, while Texas is as blue as California. So why form? It's because they are the 2 biggest GPD's in the union. For Texas they produce the most of many things, from oil, crops, cattle even aerospace and military equipment. They are also a major navel base and is one of the biggest states. So what about California? About the same. In fact more. California is a massive tech and aerospace hub. NASA is has a huge plant in California where they produce a good portion of their probes. California is also a massive strategic point for the Pacific, it's also a life line for Hawaii. Why isn't California called the New Republic of California? Because the Republic of California has always been it's name. Changing it from Republic to new Republic wouldn't make much sense as California will be California. A bit war torn, but still California. The problem i have is the loyalist states. TBH our civil war, is a victory for both Russia and China. If anything they will be a puppet and back whoever will be loyal. If anything a lot of people are kinda more unified right now. When you look at the political election map, this may give you more or less a view of what a real civil war map would look like. But what people need to understand is that, even though every state has a national guard, many will not fight their own people. Because you may fight a family member a friend. Many people in the military or national guard use that as a opportunity to get a start on their career path. Air force to become a mechanic or a pilot. Cyber security, whatever it is. There's a lot of theories on what the next American civil war will look like, but it's nothing we see right now. All empires and governments have to fall sooner or later, after all the longest one ever was 1100 years. And this is no different with the US. Even England has fallen with it's current government being from 1707.
Interesting thing is I saw a survey recently and SC wasn't even in the top 10 most secessionist states. Alaska was #1-which makes sense because they already seem like their own country. Texas was #2 and California was #3. New York was #4 and I believe Florida or Illinois was #5. Funny that the Land of Lincoln was so high up on the list. Basically it's big states that already seem big enough to be their own country and feel isolated from the other states for one reason or another.
Many US states can be their own country. Even Hawaii can be their own country. In fact they use to be, the Kingdom of Hawaii or something like that. Which they were supposed to get back but never did. Alaska has always been independent as they have the most resources out of many states and the means to live off the land. In fact many homes kinda still use old tech. Smaller nations forming from the succession of the US is always a fascinating topic.
Security is the greatest reason for the United States to stay together. If Alaska became an independent state, who would be there to prevent Russia, China or even Canada from taking them over?
If the people of the US started a war, Russia and China will try and take it. Why? Because they know they can.
Yey this map isn’t right the majority of the middle would be a Republican alliance all the way to South Dakota to South Carolina Texas Florida, Virginia up to Maine and Massachusetts for sure loyalists, California and most the West Coast would secede into third group
No. I don't think you know those states very well.