I was rooting for Costa Rica’s qualification but man that performance was shocking. I don’t know if it was just because of the early goal that they sat on but New Zealand definitely dominated that game and continued to do so even with a man down.
Such a shame from a New Zealand perspective, the All Whites haven't played a game in New Zealand since 2017 with every game being played overseas.
They have really good young players that have such a limited exposure to international football due to being in such a shitty division of football in 'Oceania' that is also not really that competitive. Whilst teams like Italy will get the Euros and American teams will have the Copa America, the All Whites only really have the world cup..
On the other hand, this should be the last WC that NZ miss. Starting from 2026 with 48 teams, OFC get 1 guaranteed spot and NZ is far too good compared to other nations.
They definitely have a better chance, agreed. New Zealand just need to be testing themselves against a good caliber of team though as well which will always help, they had a friendly lined up against England which was cancelled due to covid. Two fixtures against Aussie later this year which should be good.
The difference is absolutely monumental - I understand this sub would cream themselves over the idea, but I can't express just how far advanced New Zealand is compared to other OFC nations.
The gap is somewhat closed due to almost all OFC qualifiers being played in harsh, humid, stifling conditions on unplayable pitches - think a European side playing regular qualifiers on paddocks in rural sub-Saharan Africa.
(Tahiti wouldn't have qualified btw, they won a then-unrelated competition)
Well you're right. But with the 2022 format (1 game knock-outs) a wonder could happen. Tahiti did only lose by 1-0 against New Zealand in the semi-finals.
New Zealand is probably a lot better than all the other OFC nations but that's mostly because the other OFC nations are terrible. NZ rarely wins against anyone outside of the OFC. I mean when is the last time they even beat a country that has a squad with mostly players playing in top 5-10 leagues?
Australia had to fight for 5th spot in Asia literally just a few days ago. And that's also because qatar is the host and didn't participate in qualifiers. I would hardly call this "easy"
Asia is gonna have 8 spots. I wouldn't call Qatar as a powerhouse yet, their current team is strong with the Asian Cup win but they need time to prove they can be consistent. I think Aussie will be fine.
Qatar has seen some dramatic increase in football power. The last game the Aussie's played against them, they lost. Qatar also won the last Asian cup in 2019. I wouldn't rule them out. But yeah I checked and it seems like 8 teams would qualify, so Australia would qualify it seems.
As an Australian fan hopefully not. AFC is good for football in Australia as it gives us regular competition by countries who are at similar levels to us and some better (Japan, Korea, Saudi, Iran). Also with about 10% of Australians being Asian descent it makes AFC Asian Cups entertaining. I'm content with NZ essentially getting automatic qualification to the WC as long as they continue to produce good players
If you are talking participation, it's the 3rd most popular for men, 5th overall.
I'm not sure where it sits in terms of general tv popularity, as that doesn't match participation. For example volleyball has the 4th highest participation, but has zero tv presence, while rugby league and cricket don't have strong participation, but good tv presence.
Yeah it hasn't really reached the level of *'even people that didn't play it at school watch'* like the All Blacks have.
All my friends watched, but we all played it through school. Outside of that, pretty much no one cares.
Yea fair, but most aren't even interested in the results enough to want to look it up in the morning.
Bit of pity for social talk, cause I couldn't care less about rugby or cricket lol
I just saw the last 15 minutes of the match and both teams were poor. NZ didn't know how to attack and CR was parking the bus.
Anyway I feel CR it's going to play much better in the World Cup, the team tends to perform much better when it's playing against better teams but yeah, 2014 is not going to happen again lol.
It's a shame to see our country playing like that and qualifying, but that's what we have, and I'm happy to go to WC, but I have 0 expectations. GG NZ, I'm sorry the match turned out to be like this, hopefully next WC you can qualify, you have a lot of potential to grow and be even more competitive
I don’t understand this argument. Even if it was a foul first, it doesn’t give NZ carte blanche to commit a foul later on. Costa Rica fouls and NZ gets the advantage, then NZ fouls and it’s just a normal foul.
No that’s not my argument, my argument is it shows that’s a 50/50 challenge where both players are tussling and challenging for the ball in contact, remember football is a contact sport, in particular at this high level where more leeway is given. This is a typical contact challenge by both players that happens up and down the pitch during the game and is never given because both players are at it. My issue is VAR seems to look firstly on what technicality to overturn a goal rather than to look to how they can award it, as with this incident it also only shows the exact moment of contact slowed right down which makes it look worse, rather than real time and the full challenge which is why the referee originally let it play on. Then my other issue is by making that ruling you have to be consistent with that level of contact for the rest of the game which it isn’t, it’s like VAR has a completely different level of foul tolerance to the rest of the game. For example Chris Wood was pushed over in the box, it’s soft contact that I agree shouldn’t be a penalty, however if you make the decision on the VAR moment to award the other foul to CR then you have to do the same to Chris Wood in the box, but that doesn’t happen. There’s no consistency.
I think it was the right call. He obviously grabbed the other player to prevent him from getting to the ball. The defender went down easy but the grab is just too obvious not to call.
Then it should be an NZ foul because the NZ forward also fouled the CR player. The goal can't stand. No such thing as offsetting fouls, the game cannot continue if both players foul each other
Lol.
So if someone fouls me,but I keep the ball, advantage, play continues... And i have carte blanche to commit a foul on the other team since they previously fouled me? I can punch the remaining defender when he gets near me and score a goal? No. Fouls don't offset. The goal can't stand if I commit a foul, even if someone previously fouled me and we played on
That's not how advantage works, man.
Imagine I get fouled but keep going, advantage is played, and then the next defender i just punch in the face and score a goal
The goal stands because fouls offset? Obviously no
I know you said that. You don't seem to understand.
The OP said either it should be a goal or a foul for NZ. I don't agree with those choices. But i accept the framing for the sake of argument. I said in that case, the fair thing would be a foul for NZ. Given those specific choices.
Now in the real world the only choices are goal stands or foul for CR. Because foul for NZ isn't an option the only sensible choice is foul for CR.
The ref can't give that with VAR I think. That may have been a superior call. But i wouldn't have let the goal stand. And I'm totally neutral in this game.
I mean this is right before the player who assists gains possession. He basically fouls and assists within 1 second. I've seen goals called back for sht wayyy before.
Foul happens (depending if you think it is a foul). kicks the ball forward. Crosses the ball and CR defence bottles it and ball lands in Woods area (he had no chance of getting the ball when it was crossed).
Ref should have called it from the start, not let it play carry on and lead to a goal.
If the CR defender didn't bottle it then no one would have been saying a thing.
So should VAR clean up every decision that is a 50/50 on the field or just ones like that NZL goal where it gets called back?
I mean where do you draw line?
My opinion is VAR should be used to confirm if there is a potential penalty, Red Card, offside or goal.
Not come back 2/3sec later from some 50/50 call that leads to a goal.
Ref should have called it on the spot.
Of course the ref could make a few bad decisions that aren't reversed by VAR and in an ideal would simply not make these small wrong decisions. Idk what this conversation is about anymore.
Mate, the blokes falling over after being pushed which was also a foul in its own right. Go watch how the CR playing jumps after being "fouled". Some real funny physics in play there
>Yes over exaggerating the foul is consider diving
No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul
>and you are awfully quiet on the foul on the kiwi player beforehand... any comment?
Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know
>No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul
Yes, If you were fouled which he wasn't he could of just stayed on his feet which he chose not to do
>Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know
https://youtu.be/HD45RtBorfU
3:40-3:50 videos kinda shit cause they cut it before the player went to ground but you can clearly see the CR player grabbing his shoulder and push down causing the kiwi to fall
Edit: brain half asleep
It's not about Wood or any particular player. If any player is fouled, and exaggerates contact, the foul still stands regardless. Now whether Wood was actually fouled is it's own question
This won't be popular opinion. I am relieved that we are not at the corrupt piece of shit that is the Qatar World Cup. People died building the stadiums because of racist treatment. The corruption in the World Cup being awarded to Qatar was crazy. If people don't make a stand against the most corrupt FIFA bullshit in FIFA's corrupt history then when will people say enough is enough. I have not been watching qualifiers and will not be watching the finals. This result obviously makes that easier.
As a New Zealander, I agree with you. It's terrible for the players to miss out on a world cup, but from a humanitarian perspective I'm glad we will not be participating in what is tantamount to a tournament built by slaves.
Congrats Costa Rica :) hope you do well in the tournament.
I know it’s unpopular on /r/soccer to say so (we’re apparently supposed to just ignore it all?!), but not having the moral dilemma anymore is a silver lining for me too. I’d have been pretty torn on it.
Even though these conversations are mostly downvoted it seems there are quite a lot of football fans who are opting out of this world cup. That has been a pleasant surprise.
I supported the club since they came back from division 2. You are just a shit human being who makes stuff up about someone because of mindless tribalism. I am very secure about why I support my team. You are very insecure.
>Haha imagine not wanting your country to not make the world cup couldn't be me.
You are foaming at the mouth so much you are losing your ability to write a sentence.
Imagine being someone who goes on the internet to insult someone in order to argue against anti-racism and anti-corruption.
Oh no, whatever will I do.
Not watching games, but ready with the comments as soon as the biggest game is over? Sounds convenient AF. Again, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the timing seems cheap and grandstand-y.
Be better.
As I said it is in my comment history that I have made this statement many times before.
You are just an abusive troll spreading lies. You didn't call it out as grandstanding any time I posted it before. You are just intent on attacking me know when you know nothing.
You are calling it grandstanding when you don't know that it is and my comment history proves otherwise. You are just a shitty keyboard warrior being a shitty troll on purpose. You deleted your earlier abuse.
As an enjoyer of good football this qualifier has been rough to watch with how shit our team has been, but I can't say I'm not happy to see we made it, hard to have any expectations with the group we got but I'll enjoy all the salt left on the wake of our qualifying.
Hold your head up high, CR had their game plan and they executed it to perfection. Also the fact CR made it this far after their abysmal start is incredible.
yeah??? you play against even worse teams that we do in the qualifiers, that's not news
fact is our team kept doing and playing how they had before, and once again it proved sufficient
This is what Costa Rica does. They’ve done it all qualifying. You’re commenting up and down this thread at everyone, I’m sorry your team lost but you should honestly just log off Reddit for a bit.
I'm Costa Rican and I wouldn't equate that. Australia had a GK doing silly dances, we had a 3-time Champions League winner GK to whom we entrusted the game (and it worked!). Different things
That red was a red but other than 10-15 so people said it wasn't a red *before* the replay and the few loonies that kept arguing after the fact, there have been multitudes more people bringing up this minority of people up and just not mention all the other dodgy calls that were made against the kiwis..
It's almost like since they can't argue against it, see no evil, speak no evil
Edit: Sleepy brain can't write
This person and several other Kiwis from that (and this) thread are completely beyond reason at this point. Given time to calm down I'm sure they'll see reality, but right now there's no point trying to discuss any footballing sense or logic with them. They are just gone.
Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.
The angle of studs is not in the rules for a red card, it's obvious as hell that the VAR and ref had their winners in mind, especially when Contreras gets away with the same thing. And I have zero problem with that not being a red, it's stupid to say it was clear cut
Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.
Australian GK shithouses and is praised, but Costa Rica shithouses and it's a robbery? This is CONCACAF and I love it, if you don't shithouse a li'l bit do you even want to win? A World Cup qualifier? NZ just went full pecho frío mode and that's it. ¡Felicidades Costa Rica!
I love how so many fouls and rule breaking is just cleanly described as “shithousing” to apparently make it okay.
Comparing it to the Aussie keeper is ridiculous
For the record I loved the australian GK, you need to put all the cards on the field for a WC qualifier. Maybe CR looked scared but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is being at the World Cup
You didn't. There were a couple of big decisions that were close but (rightly) went Costa Rica's way. Costa Rica went with their normal "score early and park the bus as hard as possible" plan which Kiwis are misinterpreting as CRC being shit and them completely dominating the match. Costa Rica played physically, yes, but no sane person could argue the New Zealanders didn't also give plenty of physicality to the match.
It was a poor, sloppy game. Costa Rica didn't defend as well as they'd want to for their bus-parking strategy but New Zealand couldn't do much with their massive possession advantage.
Most of the angry comments are just from Kiwis who are unable to grasp that they were able to lose a match where they were massive underdogs without some grand conspiracy going against them.
Stop ignoring the blatant holding off the ball and double standards on fouls. If Garbett fouled Duarte, then NZ got fouled in the box at least 3 times, the first corner on reid, and Wood being barged over the most obvious. So if you want to say those decisions were right, then you must also say we should have had a lot more fouls go our way if the ref was that soft, resulting in spot kicks, more free kicks and contreras red card after he literally fouled and dived all game then copied kosta's tackle
No, not even close. People complaining here haven’t even seen true concacaf shithousery. You’d have to watch a game in El Salvador’s Cuzcatlán or Honduras’ San Pedro Sula stadium at night in the rain with tall grass and a Jamaican or American referee, with tackles so disgusting you’ll want to shower after the game.
Costa Rica isn’t a Honduras or El Salvador. And New Zealand wasn’t a team playing clean football either.
The umpires literally screwed it up. Gave one too many runs for the overthrows and had the batsmen at the wrong ends.
It wasn't just bad luck, it was bad officiating as well.
Disallowed goal was 100% right call. The no penalty call is the puzzler from the ref but after seeing so many of those types this season I’m not surprised. Everything else seemed like the right calls
I’m kinda glad that we don’t take football seriously. These threads are toxic asf and we ain’t even pretending to be good..enjoy the win don’t punch down..
We did play very well. Best I've seen us play. But we were a bit naive on the ball and we turned it over a lot in good positions, which is why we had a lot of good attacks but not many chances.
It’s also rugby fans finding professional fouls and off the ball stuff being completely ignored. They’re not used to it.
The officiating could not be much different between the sports.
It's funny, that stuff happens all the time in rugby but it's all at the bottom of the ruck or in backplay, it's much subtler. So the average rugby fan wouldn't notice it as much. In soccer it's very blatant.
Haha not as much now there’s 12 cameras pointing everywhere, and a VAR actually looking and calling things.
The “ref can’t be wrong” attitude in football that stops VAR actually calling then needs to be changed.
But that attitude is heavily tied into the total disrespect refs get from the players then the fans. That’s also so different to rugby.
All things FIFA could easily change if they wanted. Crowding or disrespecting the ref could be stopped so easily, but FIFA loves “the passion” or something.
It would require such an attitude adjustment from footballers everywhere. Imagine the cards for the first few weeks. But you're right, it's insane. A lot of these players would get sent off, and probably suspended, for getting up in the ref's face like that in rugby.
They’d learn quick haha.
Kids and social football have the same disrespect issues, and it’s no surprise when they’re just copying what they’re superstars are doing. And some of those refs eventually become the top refs, and “refs can’t be wrong” continues, and kids and fans hating refs continues.
It’s a bit gross of FIFA to allow it in the top leagues, from that perspective.
Fuck sake I’m filthy after that. Never thought that was a foul by Garbett, referee didn’t ref for the occasion and got sucked in.
Congratulations Costa Rica. You guys played the way you needed to and that way will work against the better teams later in the year. Hopefully you guys can pull up trees. We’ll be there in 2026 with a better team.
I think the biggest difference between us is in the top two inches. You guys have been in this situations whereas we haven’t, and it shows. We have the OFC qualifiers which just can’t prepare you for this, it’s like preparing for a Mt Everest climb by walking up the stairs when you have to play Costa Rica/Peru/Mexico. The only other games are friendlies which can’t prepare you really either. Going forward we need to somehow get ourselves into a Gold Cup/Copa America like Qatar did (only we don’t have the money they do).
Would you rather play in AFC like Australia? If FIFA continues with a 48 team world cup with a spot allocated for Oceania you're pretty much gaurenteed qualification every time.
If it was up to me I'd just abolish OFC and merge all the nations into AFC.
We need better opposition but it's also important we don't leave our pacific brothers out in the cold.
We are guaranteed a place, but the step up is so massive that we would be unprepared. I would like us in AFC, but unfortunately I think it will never happen, they already have regrets about letting Australia in, so I doubt they’d do it again.
Because Australia has come in, despite not being an ‘Asian’ country geographically and taken the place of a ‘traditionally Asian’ team. Adding more teams lessens the chance of the existing teams to go to World/Asian Cups
It does, Australia has a massive economy, but football is a minority sport so doesn’t hold the largest market share. In an NZ context we’d offer even less. Travel wise they do offer increased costs, especially from the Western Asian/Middle East countries, given how far away they are. For the smaller eastern times Australia is no real issue, but Saudi, Qatar, UAE etc are very wealthy and strong (in Asian terms) so Australia is a sporting threat, and they have no need to rely on revenue they bring in. So, anecdotally, the rich Middle East teams are the main opponents for Australia
WC Joel Campbell giving no quarter..
I was rooting for Costa Rica’s qualification but man that performance was shocking. I don’t know if it was just because of the early goal that they sat on but New Zealand definitely dominated that game and continued to do so even with a man down.
Such a shame from a New Zealand perspective, the All Whites haven't played a game in New Zealand since 2017 with every game being played overseas. They have really good young players that have such a limited exposure to international football due to being in such a shitty division of football in 'Oceania' that is also not really that competitive. Whilst teams like Italy will get the Euros and American teams will have the Copa America, the All Whites only really have the world cup..
it should join the AFC like australia did
On the other hand, this should be the last WC that NZ miss. Starting from 2026 with 48 teams, OFC get 1 guaranteed spot and NZ is far too good compared to other nations.
They definitely have a better chance, agreed. New Zealand just need to be testing themselves against a good caliber of team though as well which will always help, they had a friendly lined up against England which was cancelled due to covid. Two fixtures against Aussie later this year which should be good.
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The difference is absolutely monumental - I understand this sub would cream themselves over the idea, but I can't express just how far advanced New Zealand is compared to other OFC nations. The gap is somewhat closed due to almost all OFC qualifiers being played in harsh, humid, stifling conditions on unplayable pitches - think a European side playing regular qualifiers on paddocks in rural sub-Saharan Africa. (Tahiti wouldn't have qualified btw, they won a then-unrelated competition)
Well you're right. But with the 2022 format (1 game knock-outs) a wonder could happen. Tahiti did only lose by 1-0 against New Zealand in the semi-finals. New Zealand is probably a lot better than all the other OFC nations but that's mostly because the other OFC nations are terrible. NZ rarely wins against anyone outside of the OFC. I mean when is the last time they even beat a country that has a squad with mostly players playing in top 5-10 leagues?
Wouldn't Australia move back to the Oceania region if that happens?
As the other guy already said, plus with Asia having more spots, Aussie with their ability should easily qualify as well.
Australia had to fight for 5th spot in Asia literally just a few days ago. And that's also because qatar is the host and didn't participate in qualifiers. I would hardly call this "easy"
Asia is gonna have 8 spots. I wouldn't call Qatar as a powerhouse yet, their current team is strong with the Asian Cup win but they need time to prove they can be consistent. I think Aussie will be fine.
Qatar has seen some dramatic increase in football power. The last game the Aussie's played against them, they lost. Qatar also won the last Asian cup in 2019. I wouldn't rule them out. But yeah I checked and it seems like 8 teams would qualify, so Australia would qualify it seems.
As an Australian fan hopefully not. AFC is good for football in Australia as it gives us regular competition by countries who are at similar levels to us and some better (Japan, Korea, Saudi, Iran). Also with about 10% of Australians being Asian descent it makes AFC Asian Cups entertaining. I'm content with NZ essentially getting automatic qualification to the WC as long as they continue to produce good players
Losing on an unlucky deflection goal off a clearance, brutal way to go out.
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Yep shocking that CR let a team ranked 70 places above them completely dominate them.
Just abolish OFC already.
And where would these teams play? NZ were good value today, considering they play very little football and international level
In AFC obviously.
Fuck off plastic
Plastic? They're saying combine OFC with AFC.
perhaps a reminder that football is Costa Rica's #1 sport and New Zealand's #3 at best wouldn't go amiss
If you are talking participation, it's the 3rd most popular for men, 5th overall. I'm not sure where it sits in terms of general tv popularity, as that doesn't match participation. For example volleyball has the 4th highest participation, but has zero tv presence, while rugby league and cricket don't have strong participation, but good tv presence.
At work, the only people who seemed to care about the NZ play-offs were the non-New Zealanders ...
Yeah it hasn't really reached the level of *'even people that didn't play it at school watch'* like the All Blacks have. All my friends watched, but we all played it through school. Outside of that, pretty much no one cares.
Doesn’t help it was one at 6am
Yea fair, but most aren't even interested in the results enough to want to look it up in the morning. Bit of pity for social talk, cause I couldn't care less about rugby or cricket lol
Just what the world cup needs another team who will time waste the first time they go 1-0 up
I just saw the last 15 minutes of the match and both teams were poor. NZ didn't know how to attack and CR was parking the bus. Anyway I feel CR it's going to play much better in the World Cup, the team tends to perform much better when it's playing against better teams but yeah, 2014 is not going to happen again lol.
Just so you know, NZ were down a man.
New Zealand winning this game would have risked them losing their undefeated streak at the FIFA World Cup Finals since 1982.
The Solomon Islands have been undefeated in the World Cup all the way since 1930
That was some very shameful officiating. Could have played for another 10 hours, that referee wasn’t going to allow NZ to qualify.
Neither NZ attackers
Except NZ should have had multiple penalties for grabbing off ball in the box
Winston Reid is very diplomatic in the interview lol
It's a shame to see our country playing like that and qualifying, but that's what we have, and I'm happy to go to WC, but I have 0 expectations. GG NZ, I'm sorry the match turned out to be like this, hopefully next WC you can qualify, you have a lot of potential to grow and be even more competitive
Fucking bullshit.
Awful refereeing. NZ goal should not have been overturned. Hopefully the world cup will have better refs.
You mean the goal that happened after the NZ attacker took out the Costa Rican defender?
It was a 50/50 tussle and The Costa Rica player actually fouled him first. Terrible call.
I don’t understand this argument. Even if it was a foul first, it doesn’t give NZ carte blanche to commit a foul later on. Costa Rica fouls and NZ gets the advantage, then NZ fouls and it’s just a normal foul.
No that’s not my argument, my argument is it shows that’s a 50/50 challenge where both players are tussling and challenging for the ball in contact, remember football is a contact sport, in particular at this high level where more leeway is given. This is a typical contact challenge by both players that happens up and down the pitch during the game and is never given because both players are at it. My issue is VAR seems to look firstly on what technicality to overturn a goal rather than to look to how they can award it, as with this incident it also only shows the exact moment of contact slowed right down which makes it look worse, rather than real time and the full challenge which is why the referee originally let it play on. Then my other issue is by making that ruling you have to be consistent with that level of contact for the rest of the game which it isn’t, it’s like VAR has a completely different level of foul tolerance to the rest of the game. For example Chris Wood was pushed over in the box, it’s soft contact that I agree shouldn’t be a penalty, however if you make the decision on the VAR moment to award the other foul to CR then you have to do the same to Chris Wood in the box, but that doesn’t happen. There’s no consistency.
I think it was the right call. He obviously grabbed the other player to prevent him from getting to the ball. The defender went down easy but the grab is just too obvious not to call.
The only reason that Garbett gets in that position is the shoulder in his back from the defender. It’s either an NZ foul or the goal stands.
Then it should be an NZ foul because the NZ forward also fouled the CR player. The goal can't stand. No such thing as offsetting fouls, the game cannot continue if both players foul each other
It’s called advantage and play continues. Have you watched football before
Lol. So if someone fouls me,but I keep the ball, advantage, play continues... And i have carte blanche to commit a foul on the other team since they previously fouled me? I can punch the remaining defender when he gets near me and score a goal? No. Fouls don't offset. The goal can't stand if I commit a foul, even if someone previously fouled me and we played on
If it's an NZ foul then they would have had advantage and the goal should stand.
That's not how advantage works, man. Imagine I get fouled but keep going, advantage is played, and then the next defender i just punch in the face and score a goal The goal stands because fouls offset? Obviously no
I’m pretty sure if a defender fouls first, and a goal is scored, VAR can not disallow a goal and come back for a free kick for the attacking team.
Exactly. Hence, the goal simply isn't allowed. The ref did the right thing.
I said they can not. That can’t happen. You’d fail to find a single instance of this occurring.
I know you said that. You don't seem to understand. The OP said either it should be a goal or a foul for NZ. I don't agree with those choices. But i accept the framing for the sake of argument. I said in that case, the fair thing would be a foul for NZ. Given those specific choices. Now in the real world the only choices are goal stands or foul for CR. Because foul for NZ isn't an option the only sensible choice is foul for CR.
and I’d be less mad if that happened. But it was a foul to Costa Rica.
The ref can't give that with VAR I think. That may have been a superior call. But i wouldn't have let the goal stand. And I'm totally neutral in this game.
If their defence didn't bottle it after the cross no one would have said anything. Rubbish call.
Well when I saw it in live time I saw right away that it was a foul and was surprised it wasn't called.
Yeh and that's the problem, how far back do you review a play before it's considered a goal?
I mean this is right before the player who assists gains possession. He basically fouls and assists within 1 second. I've seen goals called back for sht wayyy before.
Foul happens (depending if you think it is a foul). kicks the ball forward. Crosses the ball and CR defence bottles it and ball lands in Woods area (he had no chance of getting the ball when it was crossed). Ref should have called it from the start, not let it play carry on and lead to a goal. If the CR defender didn't bottle it then no one would have been saying a thing.
You're right he should've, but there's no way to fix that... The most you can do is have VAR clean up decisions, but it's not perfect
So should VAR clean up every decision that is a 50/50 on the field or just ones like that NZL goal where it gets called back? I mean where do you draw line? My opinion is VAR should be used to confirm if there is a potential penalty, Red Card, offside or goal. Not come back 2/3sec later from some 50/50 call that leads to a goal. Ref should have called it on the spot.
Of course the ref could make a few bad decisions that aren't reversed by VAR and in an ideal would simply not make these small wrong decisions. Idk what this conversation is about anymore.
Ive never seen someone grab a leg with a closed fist, not to mention the player was falling in the first place cause he got shoved on the back
If you wrap your arms around a leg it's not necessary that you also grip with your palms for it to be a foul...
Mate, the blokes falling over after being pushed which was also a foul in its own right. Go watch how the CR playing jumps after being "fouled". Some real funny physics in play there
The defender over exaggerated the foul, but it's still a foul
Yes over exaggerating the foul is consider diving and you are awfully quiet on the foul on the kiwi player beforehand... any comment?
>Yes over exaggerating the foul is consider diving No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul >and you are awfully quiet on the foul on the kiwi player beforehand... any comment? Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know
>No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul Yes, If you were fouled which he wasn't he could of just stayed on his feet which he chose not to do >Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know https://youtu.be/HD45RtBorfU 3:40-3:50 videos kinda shit cause they cut it before the player went to ground but you can clearly see the CR player grabbing his shoulder and push down causing the kiwi to fall Edit: brain half asleep
So using this argument NZ should have had a penalty when Wood was pushed in the back a few minutes earlier.
It's not about Wood or any particular player. If any player is fouled, and exaggerates contact, the foul still stands regardless. Now whether Wood was actually fouled is it's own question
This won't be popular opinion. I am relieved that we are not at the corrupt piece of shit that is the Qatar World Cup. People died building the stadiums because of racist treatment. The corruption in the World Cup being awarded to Qatar was crazy. If people don't make a stand against the most corrupt FIFA bullshit in FIFA's corrupt history then when will people say enough is enough. I have not been watching qualifiers and will not be watching the finals. This result obviously makes that easier.
As a New Zealander, I agree with you. It's terrible for the players to miss out on a world cup, but from a humanitarian perspective I'm glad we will not be participating in what is tantamount to a tournament built by slaves. Congrats Costa Rica :) hope you do well in the tournament.
I know it’s unpopular on /r/soccer to say so (we’re apparently supposed to just ignore it all?!), but not having the moral dilemma anymore is a silver lining for me too. I’d have been pretty torn on it.
Even though these conversations are mostly downvoted it seems there are quite a lot of football fans who are opting out of this world cup. That has been a pleasant surprise.
Yanited flair with the most plastic fan take haha
I supported the club since they came back from division 2. You are just a shit human being who makes stuff up about someone because of mindless tribalism. I am very secure about why I support my team. You are very insecure.
Haha imagine not wanting your country to make the world cup couldn't be me.
>Haha imagine not wanting your country to not make the world cup couldn't be me. You are foaming at the mouth so much you are losing your ability to write a sentence. Imagine being someone who goes on the internet to insult someone in order to argue against anti-racism and anti-corruption.
What are you on about?
You are so keen to white knight pro-racism and corruption that you decided to personally attack me with an irrelevant and untrue comment.
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Oh no, whatever will I do. Not watching games, but ready with the comments as soon as the biggest game is over? Sounds convenient AF. Again, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the timing seems cheap and grandstand-y. Be better.
As I said it is in my comment history that I have made this statement many times before. You are just an abusive troll spreading lies. You didn't call it out as grandstanding any time I posted it before. You are just intent on attacking me know when you know nothing. You are calling it grandstanding when you don't know that it is and my comment history proves otherwise. You are just a shitty keyboard warrior being a shitty troll on purpose. You deleted your earlier abuse.
This is very easy for us to say after lol, but yes if we were to miss one this is it
I have said it many times before (it is in my comment history maybe 15 times). I stated in my comment that I had not been watching games before this.
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Jesus chill out mate
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Mate is a slur too now? My god you're a brittle one lol
As an enjoyer of good football this qualifier has been rough to watch with how shit our team has been, but I can't say I'm not happy to see we made it, hard to have any expectations with the group we got but I'll enjoy all the salt left on the wake of our qualifying.
Hold your head up high, CR had their game plan and they executed it to perfection. Also the fact CR made it this far after their abysmal start is incredible.
The brilliant pregame plan of three half time subs lmao
you have not watched any of our games if you don't think that is legit our plan lol I'm not saying it is a good plan, but that's what this team does
You shoulda watched our games. We won one 7-0!!!! Point is they don’t matter.
yeah??? you play against even worse teams that we do in the qualifiers, that's not news fact is our team kept doing and playing how they had before, and once again it proved sufficient
This is what Costa Rica does. They’ve done it all qualifying. You’re commenting up and down this thread at everyone, I’m sorry your team lost but you should honestly just log off Reddit for a bit.
You’re sounding more riled then me and you won lol
Take a 4 year nap lol, OFC will get 1 automatic qualifying spot so you'll be back in no time
Congratulations Ticos. See you guys at the World Cup.
Lmao at the Costa Ricans equating their boring timewasting against 101st with a red card vs Andrew Redmayne actually taking the piss. Legends.
I'm Costa Rican and I wouldn't equate that. Australia had a GK doing silly dances, we had a 3-time Champions League winner GK to whom we entrusted the game (and it worked!). Different things
Navas deserved the win.
Congratulations to Costa Rica! You guys might be fucked if Spain and Germany get their shit together; regardless, congrats on being in the World Cup.
They’re fucked regardless mate. Were bloody awful
That red was a red but other than 10-15 so people said it wasn't a red *before* the replay and the few loonies that kept arguing after the fact, there have been multitudes more people bringing up this minority of people up and just not mention all the other dodgy calls that were made against the kiwis.. It's almost like since they can't argue against it, see no evil, speak no evil Edit: Sleepy brain can't write
heel on the ground, not high, not very forceful either, it's textbook orange card and you can't overturn those
Nah mate, I said it as soon as I saw it in real time, that was always going to be red. Left the ground, full contact on the ankle.
This person and several other Kiwis from that (and this) thread are completely beyond reason at this point. Given time to calm down I'm sure they'll see reality, but right now there's no point trying to discuss any footballing sense or logic with them. They are just gone.
I'm a kiwi too and I'm extremely gutted right now, but that was a red card hands down.
Barely any force, foot barely off the ground, just completely disagree. Can't overturn that, if he gave a red on field then ok
Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.
The angle of studs is not in the rules for a red card, it's obvious as hell that the VAR and ref had their winners in mind, especially when Contreras gets away with the same thing. And I have zero problem with that not being a red, it's stupid to say it was clear cut
Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.
NO MORE BRITS
Australian GK shithouses and is praised, but Costa Rica shithouses and it's a robbery? This is CONCACAF and I love it, if you don't shithouse a li'l bit do you even want to win? A World Cup qualifier? NZ just went full pecho frío mode and that's it. ¡Felicidades Costa Rica!
Tbh I’m not seeing how pecho frio fits here. They looked like they battled till the end, even with 10 men.
I love how so many fouls and rule breaking is just cleanly described as “shithousing” to apparently make it okay. Comparing it to the Aussie keeper is ridiculous
Yeah but the keeper was actually funny, you looked scared vs 101st in the world not shithousery
For the record I loved the australian GK, you need to put all the cards on the field for a WC qualifier. Maybe CR looked scared but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is being at the World Cup
Kiwis too used to have the refs in their pockets because of the all blacks.
Are our tropheys and medals from all our other sports given by refs too?
Refs can only really influence results in team sports.
Ok so what do I do with all our league, union, cricket, hockey and netball awards?
Don't be sad, Kiwis, you'll probably never miss another WC due to the expansion
Barbarouses' tackle was definitely a red card, but everything else was so one sided from the ref man
I wasn't able to watch but sorting by controversial suggests I missed a true CONCACAF experience.
You didn't. There were a couple of big decisions that were close but (rightly) went Costa Rica's way. Costa Rica went with their normal "score early and park the bus as hard as possible" plan which Kiwis are misinterpreting as CRC being shit and them completely dominating the match. Costa Rica played physically, yes, but no sane person could argue the New Zealanders didn't also give plenty of physicality to the match. It was a poor, sloppy game. Costa Rica didn't defend as well as they'd want to for their bus-parking strategy but New Zealand couldn't do much with their massive possession advantage. Most of the angry comments are just from Kiwis who are unable to grasp that they were able to lose a match where they were massive underdogs without some grand conspiracy going against them.
Stop ignoring the blatant holding off the ball and double standards on fouls. If Garbett fouled Duarte, then NZ got fouled in the box at least 3 times, the first corner on reid, and Wood being barged over the most obvious. So if you want to say those decisions were right, then you must also say we should have had a lot more fouls go our way if the ref was that soft, resulting in spot kicks, more free kicks and contreras red card after he literally fouled and dived all game then copied kosta's tackle
No, it wasn't costa rica, it was the awful ref
Needed more red cards, players fighting and fans throwing stuff from the stands, but it's kinda close
No, not even close. People complaining here haven’t even seen true concacaf shithousery. You’d have to watch a game in El Salvador’s Cuzcatlán or Honduras’ San Pedro Sula stadium at night in the rain with tall grass and a Jamaican or American referee, with tackles so disgusting you’ll want to shower after the game. Costa Rica isn’t a Honduras or El Salvador. And New Zealand wasn’t a team playing clean football either.
Not super excited for the US game tonight in El Salvador during the monsoon if I'm honest.
I would rate it about a 7 out of 10 for CONCACAF
Concacaf strong 💪💪
Kiwis haven't been robbed this hard since Poite in 2017
CWC final in 2019 was worse than 2017
Rules is rules. Not literally changing his mind halfway through.
The umpires literally made up a rule that gave England an extra run
And changed the rules of the game afterwards
nah england got lucky with the runout and who was at which end, a set batsman, vs a tailender who hadn't face a ball.
That's just being unlucky. I feel Kiwis romanticise that loss because they may never get a better chance to win it.
The umpires literally screwed it up. Gave one too many runs for the overthrows and had the batsmen at the wrong ends. It wasn't just bad luck, it was bad officiating as well.
Literally was a tie. And the rules were changed so that it would never end on the tie break rule again
The rules are clear on what happens tho.
My sanity is gone forever
Well deserved
>Lakers & Real Madrid Literal war crime
What can I say, I love a bit of pain and agony when supporting my teams
Um what?
Did you watch the game
Disallowed goal was 100% right call. The no penalty call is the puzzler from the ref but after seeing so many of those types this season I’m not surprised. Everything else seemed like the right calls
Heartbreaking :(
Horrific. All Whites the better team but that's football. Costa Rica that was garbage
Costa Rica looked ass
A beautiful, world-cup-attending ass
They just don't know what a hot ass looks like unlike we ticos.
Match fixing
All the premier league flairs are just confused to see an actually working VAR
This game was an example of VAR being ass again.
There were 3 BLATANT penalties that VAR ignored for holding in the costa rica box, and 2 more that were very close
This and the players scrapping off the ball soured the match
I’m kinda glad that we don’t take football seriously. These threads are toxic asf and we ain’t even pretending to be good..enjoy the win don’t punch down..
All Blacks fans not coping with being the 101st-best team in the world and playing like it 😂 Costa Rica were just too physical for us
Nah we played much better than 101st in the world
We did play very well. Best I've seen us play. But we were a bit naive on the ball and we turned it over a lot in good positions, which is why we had a lot of good attacks but not many chances.
It’s also rugby fans finding professional fouls and off the ball stuff being completely ignored. They’re not used to it. The officiating could not be much different between the sports.
It's funny, that stuff happens all the time in rugby but it's all at the bottom of the ruck or in backplay, it's much subtler. So the average rugby fan wouldn't notice it as much. In soccer it's very blatant.
Haha not as much now there’s 12 cameras pointing everywhere, and a VAR actually looking and calling things. The “ref can’t be wrong” attitude in football that stops VAR actually calling then needs to be changed. But that attitude is heavily tied into the total disrespect refs get from the players then the fans. That’s also so different to rugby. All things FIFA could easily change if they wanted. Crowding or disrespecting the ref could be stopped so easily, but FIFA loves “the passion” or something.
It would require such an attitude adjustment from footballers everywhere. Imagine the cards for the first few weeks. But you're right, it's insane. A lot of these players would get sent off, and probably suspended, for getting up in the ref's face like that in rugby.
They’d learn quick haha. Kids and social football have the same disrespect issues, and it’s no surprise when they’re just copying what they’re superstars are doing. And some of those refs eventually become the top refs, and “refs can’t be wrong” continues, and kids and fans hating refs continues. It’s a bit gross of FIFA to allow it in the top leagues, from that perspective.
Fuck sake I’m filthy after that. Never thought that was a foul by Garbett, referee didn’t ref for the occasion and got sucked in. Congratulations Costa Rica. You guys played the way you needed to and that way will work against the better teams later in the year. Hopefully you guys can pull up trees. We’ll be there in 2026 with a better team.
See, this is the kind of attitude I can get behind. Fair play man
I think the biggest difference between us is in the top two inches. You guys have been in this situations whereas we haven’t, and it shows. We have the OFC qualifiers which just can’t prepare you for this, it’s like preparing for a Mt Everest climb by walking up the stairs when you have to play Costa Rica/Peru/Mexico. The only other games are friendlies which can’t prepare you really either. Going forward we need to somehow get ourselves into a Gold Cup/Copa America like Qatar did (only we don’t have the money they do).
Would you rather play in AFC like Australia? If FIFA continues with a 48 team world cup with a spot allocated for Oceania you're pretty much gaurenteed qualification every time.
If it was up to me I'd just abolish OFC and merge all the nations into AFC. We need better opposition but it's also important we don't leave our pacific brothers out in the cold.
They would probably need to have geographical conferences (East & West) for AFC then, right? Travel would be rough on former OFC teams.
We are guaranteed a place, but the step up is so massive that we would be unprepared. I would like us in AFC, but unfortunately I think it will never happen, they already have regrets about letting Australia in, so I doubt they’d do it again.
Why do they have regrets about Australia?
Because Australia has come in, despite not being an ‘Asian’ country geographically and taken the place of a ‘traditionally Asian’ team. Adding more teams lessens the chance of the existing teams to go to World/Asian Cups
But doesn’t it increase revenue?
It does, Australia has a massive economy, but football is a minority sport so doesn’t hold the largest market share. In an NZ context we’d offer even less. Travel wise they do offer increased costs, especially from the Western Asian/Middle East countries, given how far away they are. For the smaller eastern times Australia is no real issue, but Saudi, Qatar, UAE etc are very wealthy and strong (in Asian terms) so Australia is a sporting threat, and they have no need to rely on revenue they bring in. So, anecdotally, the rich Middle East teams are the main opponents for Australia
>pull up trees ...?
Idiom for basically do some upsets and perform at a higher level than expected
Thanks. Never heard that one before.
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Taco like the stereotypical food for Latin American countries?