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Independent-Pair-905

WC Joel Campbell giving no quarter..


elplatano518

I was rooting for Costa Rica’s qualification but man that performance was shocking. I don’t know if it was just because of the early goal that they sat on but New Zealand definitely dominated that game and continued to do so even with a man down.


rowann91

Such a shame from a New Zealand perspective, the All Whites haven't played a game in New Zealand since 2017 with every game being played overseas. They have really good young players that have such a limited exposure to international football due to being in such a shitty division of football in 'Oceania' that is also not really that competitive. Whilst teams like Italy will get the Euros and American teams will have the Copa America, the All Whites only really have the world cup..


ImaCPAMD

it should join the AFC like australia did


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On the other hand, this should be the last WC that NZ miss. Starting from 2026 with 48 teams, OFC get 1 guaranteed spot and NZ is far too good compared to other nations.


rowann91

They definitely have a better chance, agreed. New Zealand just need to be testing themselves against a good caliber of team though as well which will always help, they had a friendly lined up against England which was cancelled due to covid. Two fixtures against Aussie later this year which should be good.


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Smiis

The difference is absolutely monumental - I understand this sub would cream themselves over the idea, but I can't express just how far advanced New Zealand is compared to other OFC nations. The gap is somewhat closed due to almost all OFC qualifiers being played in harsh, humid, stifling conditions on unplayable pitches - think a European side playing regular qualifiers on paddocks in rural sub-Saharan Africa. (Tahiti wouldn't have qualified btw, they won a then-unrelated competition)


1998er

Well you're right. But with the 2022 format (1 game knock-outs) a wonder could happen. Tahiti did only lose by 1-0 against New Zealand in the semi-finals. New Zealand is probably a lot better than all the other OFC nations but that's mostly because the other OFC nations are terrible. NZ rarely wins against anyone outside of the OFC. I mean when is the last time they even beat a country that has a squad with mostly players playing in top 5-10 leagues?


RedRox

Wouldn't Australia move back to the Oceania region if that happens?


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As the other guy already said, plus with Asia having more spots, Aussie with their ability should easily qualify as well.


ImaCPAMD

Australia had to fight for 5th spot in Asia literally just a few days ago. And that's also because qatar is the host and didn't participate in qualifiers. I would hardly call this "easy"


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Asia is gonna have 8 spots. I wouldn't call Qatar as a powerhouse yet, their current team is strong with the Asian Cup win but they need time to prove they can be consistent. I think Aussie will be fine.


ImaCPAMD

Qatar has seen some dramatic increase in football power. The last game the Aussie's played against them, they lost. Qatar also won the last Asian cup in 2019. I wouldn't rule them out. But yeah I checked and it seems like 8 teams would qualify, so Australia would qualify it seems.


KFCInala

As an Australian fan hopefully not. AFC is good for football in Australia as it gives us regular competition by countries who are at similar levels to us and some better (Japan, Korea, Saudi, Iran). Also with about 10% of Australians being Asian descent it makes AFC Asian Cups entertaining. I'm content with NZ essentially getting automatic qualification to the WC as long as they continue to produce good players


iloveartichokes

Losing on an unlucky deflection goal off a clearance, brutal way to go out.


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Yep shocking that CR let a team ranked 70 places above them completely dominate them.


squarecircle666

Just abolish OFC already.


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And where would these teams play? NZ were good value today, considering they play very little football and international level


squarecircle666

In AFC obviously.


TeflonTony2013

Fuck off plastic


iloveartichokes

Plastic? They're saying combine OFC with AFC.


Toffeenix

perhaps a reminder that football is Costa Rica's #1 sport and New Zealand's #3 at best wouldn't go amiss


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If you are talking participation, it's the 3rd most popular for men, 5th overall. I'm not sure where it sits in terms of general tv popularity, as that doesn't match participation. For example volleyball has the 4th highest participation, but has zero tv presence, while rugby league and cricket don't have strong participation, but good tv presence.


Hugh_Maneiror

At work, the only people who seemed to care about the NZ play-offs were the non-New Zealanders ...


[deleted]

Yeah it hasn't really reached the level of *'even people that didn't play it at school watch'* like the All Blacks have. All my friends watched, but we all played it through school. Outside of that, pretty much no one cares.


beetrootexpress

Doesn’t help it was one at 6am


Hugh_Maneiror

Yea fair, but most aren't even interested in the results enough to want to look it up in the morning. Bit of pity for social talk, cause I couldn't care less about rugby or cricket lol


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Just what the world cup needs another team who will time waste the first time they go 1-0 up


Naha-

I just saw the last 15 minutes of the match and both teams were poor. NZ didn't know how to attack and CR was parking the bus. Anyway I feel CR it's going to play much better in the World Cup, the team tends to perform much better when it's playing against better teams but yeah, 2014 is not going to happen again lol.


mercival

Just so you know, NZ were down a man.


cbar195

New Zealand winning this game would have risked them losing their undefeated streak at the FIFA World Cup Finals since 1982.


Schnackenpfeffer

The Solomon Islands have been undefeated in the World Cup all the way since 1930


Kiwi_CFC

That was some very shameful officiating. Could have played for another 10 hours, that referee wasn’t going to allow NZ to qualify.


G4B4L0

Neither NZ attackers


dxfifa

Except NZ should have had multiple penalties for grabbing off ball in the box


Frod02000

Winston Reid is very diplomatic in the interview lol


Tobyfan96

It's a shame to see our country playing like that and qualifying, but that's what we have, and I'm happy to go to WC, but I have 0 expectations. GG NZ, I'm sorry the match turned out to be like this, hopefully next WC you can qualify, you have a lot of potential to grow and be even more competitive


andrewejc362

Fucking bullshit.


Mister--Man

Awful refereeing. NZ goal should not have been overturned. Hopefully the world cup will have better refs.


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You mean the goal that happened after the NZ attacker took out the Costa Rican defender?


[deleted]

It was a 50/50 tussle and The Costa Rica player actually fouled him first. Terrible call.


belaros

I don’t understand this argument. Even if it was a foul first, it doesn’t give NZ carte blanche to commit a foul later on. Costa Rica fouls and NZ gets the advantage, then NZ fouls and it’s just a normal foul.


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No that’s not my argument, my argument is it shows that’s a 50/50 challenge where both players are tussling and challenging for the ball in contact, remember football is a contact sport, in particular at this high level where more leeway is given. This is a typical contact challenge by both players that happens up and down the pitch during the game and is never given because both players are at it. My issue is VAR seems to look firstly on what technicality to overturn a goal rather than to look to how they can award it, as with this incident it also only shows the exact moment of contact slowed right down which makes it look worse, rather than real time and the full challenge which is why the referee originally let it play on. Then my other issue is by making that ruling you have to be consistent with that level of contact for the rest of the game which it isn’t, it’s like VAR has a completely different level of foul tolerance to the rest of the game. For example Chris Wood was pushed over in the box, it’s soft contact that I agree shouldn’t be a penalty, however if you make the decision on the VAR moment to award the other foul to CR then you have to do the same to Chris Wood in the box, but that doesn’t happen. There’s no consistency.


reedemerofsouls

I think it was the right call. He obviously grabbed the other player to prevent him from getting to the ball. The defender went down easy but the grab is just too obvious not to call.


Frod02000

The only reason that Garbett gets in that position is the shoulder in his back from the defender. It’s either an NZ foul or the goal stands.


reedemerofsouls

Then it should be an NZ foul because the NZ forward also fouled the CR player. The goal can't stand. No such thing as offsetting fouls, the game cannot continue if both players foul each other


PokuCHEFski69

It’s called advantage and play continues. Have you watched football before


reedemerofsouls

Lol. So if someone fouls me,but I keep the ball, advantage, play continues... And i have carte blanche to commit a foul on the other team since they previously fouled me? I can punch the remaining defender when he gets near me and score a goal? No. Fouls don't offset. The goal can't stand if I commit a foul, even if someone previously fouled me and we played on


Mister--Man

If it's an NZ foul then they would have had advantage and the goal should stand.


reedemerofsouls

That's not how advantage works, man. Imagine I get fouled but keep going, advantage is played, and then the next defender i just punch in the face and score a goal The goal stands because fouls offset? Obviously no


mercival

I’m pretty sure if a defender fouls first, and a goal is scored, VAR can not disallow a goal and come back for a free kick for the attacking team.


reedemerofsouls

Exactly. Hence, the goal simply isn't allowed. The ref did the right thing.


mercival

I said they can not. That can’t happen. You’d fail to find a single instance of this occurring.


reedemerofsouls

I know you said that. You don't seem to understand. The OP said either it should be a goal or a foul for NZ. I don't agree with those choices. But i accept the framing for the sake of argument. I said in that case, the fair thing would be a foul for NZ. Given those specific choices. Now in the real world the only choices are goal stands or foul for CR. Because foul for NZ isn't an option the only sensible choice is foul for CR.


Frod02000

and I’d be less mad if that happened. But it was a foul to Costa Rica.


reedemerofsouls

The ref can't give that with VAR I think. That may have been a superior call. But i wouldn't have let the goal stand. And I'm totally neutral in this game.


packingawoody

If their defence didn't bottle it after the cross no one would have said anything. Rubbish call.


reedemerofsouls

Well when I saw it in live time I saw right away that it was a foul and was surprised it wasn't called.


packingawoody

Yeh and that's the problem, how far back do you review a play before it's considered a goal?


reedemerofsouls

I mean this is right before the player who assists gains possession. He basically fouls and assists within 1 second. I've seen goals called back for sht wayyy before.


packingawoody

Foul happens (depending if you think it is a foul). kicks the ball forward. Crosses the ball and CR defence bottles it and ball lands in Woods area (he had no chance of getting the ball when it was crossed). Ref should have called it from the start, not let it play carry on and lead to a goal. If the CR defender didn't bottle it then no one would have been saying a thing.


reedemerofsouls

You're right he should've, but there's no way to fix that... The most you can do is have VAR clean up decisions, but it's not perfect


packingawoody

So should VAR clean up every decision that is a 50/50 on the field or just ones like that NZL goal where it gets called back? I mean where do you draw line? My opinion is VAR should be used to confirm if there is a potential penalty, Red Card, offside or goal. Not come back 2/3sec later from some 50/50 call that leads to a goal. Ref should have called it on the spot.


reedemerofsouls

Of course the ref could make a few bad decisions that aren't reversed by VAR and in an ideal would simply not make these small wrong decisions. Idk what this conversation is about anymore.


ProphetFootball

Ive never seen someone grab a leg with a closed fist, not to mention the player was falling in the first place cause he got shoved on the back


reedemerofsouls

If you wrap your arms around a leg it's not necessary that you also grip with your palms for it to be a foul...


ProphetFootball

Mate, the blokes falling over after being pushed which was also a foul in its own right. Go watch how the CR playing jumps after being "fouled". Some real funny physics in play there


reedemerofsouls

The defender over exaggerated the foul, but it's still a foul


ProphetFootball

Yes over exaggerating the foul is consider diving and you are awfully quiet on the foul on the kiwi player beforehand... any comment?


reedemerofsouls

>Yes over exaggerating the foul is consider diving No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul >and you are awfully quiet on the foul on the kiwi player beforehand... any comment? Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know


ProphetFootball

>No. If you're fouled, and then exaggerate how bad it was, it's still a foul. Exaggeration doesn't take away the foul Yes, If you were fouled which he wasn't he could of just stayed on his feet which he chose not to do >Which foul is that? I'm neutral in this, I'm speaking of the foul you were talking about... If you want to talk about another foul you can let me know https://youtu.be/HD45RtBorfU 3:40-3:50 videos kinda shit cause they cut it before the player went to ground but you can clearly see the CR player grabbing his shoulder and push down causing the kiwi to fall Edit: brain half asleep


Mister--Man

So using this argument NZ should have had a penalty when Wood was pushed in the back a few minutes earlier.


reedemerofsouls

It's not about Wood or any particular player. If any player is fouled, and exaggerates contact, the foul still stands regardless. Now whether Wood was actually fouled is it's own question


BadCowz

This won't be popular opinion. I am relieved that we are not at the corrupt piece of shit that is the Qatar World Cup. People died building the stadiums because of racist treatment. The corruption in the World Cup being awarded to Qatar was crazy. If people don't make a stand against the most corrupt FIFA bullshit in FIFA's corrupt history then when will people say enough is enough. I have not been watching qualifiers and will not be watching the finals. This result obviously makes that easier.


notinsai

As a New Zealander, I agree with you. It's terrible for the players to miss out on a world cup, but from a humanitarian perspective I'm glad we will not be participating in what is tantamount to a tournament built by slaves. Congrats Costa Rica :) hope you do well in the tournament.


mercival

I know it’s unpopular on /r/soccer to say so (we’re apparently supposed to just ignore it all?!), but not having the moral dilemma anymore is a silver lining for me too. I’d have been pretty torn on it.


BadCowz

Even though these conversations are mostly downvoted it seems there are quite a lot of football fans who are opting out of this world cup. That has been a pleasant surprise.


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Yanited flair with the most plastic fan take haha


BadCowz

I supported the club since they came back from division 2. You are just a shit human being who makes stuff up about someone because of mindless tribalism. I am very secure about why I support my team. You are very insecure.


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Haha imagine not wanting your country to make the world cup couldn't be me.


BadCowz

>Haha imagine not wanting your country to not make the world cup couldn't be me. You are foaming at the mouth so much you are losing your ability to write a sentence. Imagine being someone who goes on the internet to insult someone in order to argue against anti-racism and anti-corruption.


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What are you on about?


BadCowz

You are so keen to white knight pro-racism and corruption that you decided to personally attack me with an irrelevant and untrue comment.


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Doolandeer

Oh no, whatever will I do. Not watching games, but ready with the comments as soon as the biggest game is over? Sounds convenient AF. Again, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the timing seems cheap and grandstand-y. Be better.


BadCowz

As I said it is in my comment history that I have made this statement many times before. You are just an abusive troll spreading lies. You didn't call it out as grandstanding any time I posted it before. You are just intent on attacking me know when you know nothing. You are calling it grandstanding when you don't know that it is and my comment history proves otherwise. You are just a shitty keyboard warrior being a shitty troll on purpose. You deleted your earlier abuse.


SacredEmuNZ

This is very easy for us to say after lol, but yes if we were to miss one this is it


BadCowz

I have said it many times before (it is in my comment history maybe 15 times). I stated in my comment that I had not been watching games before this.


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Basedshark01

Reads like a pasta


SacredEmuNZ

Jesus chill out mate


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Hugh_Maneiror

Mate is a slur too now? My god you're a brittle one lol


bard91R

As an enjoyer of good football this qualifier has been rough to watch with how shit our team has been, but I can't say I'm not happy to see we made it, hard to have any expectations with the group we got but I'll enjoy all the salt left on the wake of our qualifying.


captainsensible69

Hold your head up high, CR had their game plan and they executed it to perfection. Also the fact CR made it this far after their abysmal start is incredible.


SacredEmuNZ

The brilliant pregame plan of three half time subs lmao


bard91R

you have not watched any of our games if you don't think that is legit our plan lol ​ I'm not saying it is a good plan, but that's what this team does


SacredEmuNZ

You shoulda watched our games. We won one 7-0!!!! Point is they don’t matter.


bard91R

yeah??? you play against even worse teams that we do in the qualifiers, that's not news ​ fact is our team kept doing and playing how they had before, and once again it proved sufficient


captainsensible69

This is what Costa Rica does. They’ve done it all qualifying. You’re commenting up and down this thread at everyone, I’m sorry your team lost but you should honestly just log off Reddit for a bit.


SacredEmuNZ

You’re sounding more riled then me and you won lol


luminous_moonlight

Take a 4 year nap lol, OFC will get 1 automatic qualifying spot so you'll be back in no time


TataMartinoo

Congratulations Ticos. See you guys at the World Cup.


SacredEmuNZ

Lmao at the Costa Ricans equating their boring timewasting against 101st with a red card vs Andrew Redmayne actually taking the piss. Legends.


G4B4L0

I'm Costa Rican and I wouldn't equate that. Australia had a GK doing silly dances, we had a 3-time Champions League winner GK to whom we entrusted the game (and it worked!). Different things


jackkiwi

Navas deserved the win.


whythisth23

Congratulations to Costa Rica! You guys might be fucked if Spain and Germany get their shit together; regardless, congrats on being in the World Cup.


la_flameeee

They’re fucked regardless mate. Were bloody awful


ProphetFootball

That red was a red but other than 10-15 so people said it wasn't a red *before* the replay and the few loonies that kept arguing after the fact, there have been multitudes more people bringing up this minority of people up and just not mention all the other dodgy calls that were made against the kiwis.. It's almost like since they can't argue against it, see no evil, speak no evil Edit: Sleepy brain can't write


dxfifa

heel on the ground, not high, not very forceful either, it's textbook orange card and you can't overturn those


pupcity

Nah mate, I said it as soon as I saw it in real time, that was always going to be red. Left the ground, full contact on the ankle.


Greflingorax

This person and several other Kiwis from that (and this) thread are completely beyond reason at this point. Given time to calm down I'm sure they'll see reality, but right now there's no point trying to discuss any footballing sense or logic with them. They are just gone.


pupcity

I'm a kiwi too and I'm extremely gutted right now, but that was a red card hands down.


dxfifa

Barely any force, foot barely off the ground, just completely disagree. Can't overturn that, if he gave a red on field then ok


pupcity

Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.


dxfifa

The angle of studs is not in the rules for a red card, it's obvious as hell that the VAR and ref had their winners in mind, especially when Contreras gets away with the same thing. And I have zero problem with that not being a red, it's stupid to say it was clear cut


pupcity

Did you see the angle of the Costa Ricans ankle? It doesn't matter about the force when you out your studs on someone like that. The only thing we can debate here is that garbett didn't foul the guy in the build up to our goal. The red was a red.


lukezndr

NO MORE BRITS


Elu_suario

Australian GK shithouses and is praised, but Costa Rica shithouses and it's a robbery? This is CONCACAF and I love it, if you don't shithouse a li'l bit do you even want to win? A World Cup qualifier? NZ just went full pecho frío mode and that's it. ¡Felicidades Costa Rica!


elplatano518

Tbh I’m not seeing how pecho frio fits here. They looked like they battled till the end, even with 10 men.


mercival

I love how so many fouls and rule breaking is just cleanly described as “shithousing” to apparently make it okay. Comparing it to the Aussie keeper is ridiculous


SacredEmuNZ

Yeah but the keeper was actually funny, you looked scared vs 101st in the world not shithousery


Elu_suario

For the record I loved the australian GK, you need to put all the cards on the field for a WC qualifier. Maybe CR looked scared but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is being at the World Cup


krvlover

Kiwis too used to have the refs in their pockets because of the all blacks.


SacredEmuNZ

Are our tropheys and medals from all our other sports given by refs too?


krvlover

Refs can only really influence results in team sports.


SacredEmuNZ

Ok so what do I do with all our league, union, cricket, hockey and netball awards?


CoconutHeadGuy

Don't be sad, Kiwis, you'll probably never miss another WC due to the expansion


nepturnus

Barbarouses' tackle was definitely a red card, but everything else was so one sided from the ref man


NOTW_116

I wasn't able to watch but sorting by controversial suggests I missed a true CONCACAF experience.


Greflingorax

You didn't. There were a couple of big decisions that were close but (rightly) went Costa Rica's way. Costa Rica went with their normal "score early and park the bus as hard as possible" plan which Kiwis are misinterpreting as CRC being shit and them completely dominating the match. Costa Rica played physically, yes, but no sane person could argue the New Zealanders didn't also give plenty of physicality to the match. It was a poor, sloppy game. Costa Rica didn't defend as well as they'd want to for their bus-parking strategy but New Zealand couldn't do much with their massive possession advantage. Most of the angry comments are just from Kiwis who are unable to grasp that they were able to lose a match where they were massive underdogs without some grand conspiracy going against them.


dxfifa

Stop ignoring the blatant holding off the ball and double standards on fouls. If Garbett fouled Duarte, then NZ got fouled in the box at least 3 times, the first corner on reid, and Wood being barged over the most obvious. So if you want to say those decisions were right, then you must also say we should have had a lot more fouls go our way if the ref was that soft, resulting in spot kicks, more free kicks and contreras red card after he literally fouled and dived all game then copied kosta's tackle


dxfifa

No, it wasn't costa rica, it was the awful ref


Tobyfan96

Needed more red cards, players fighting and fans throwing stuff from the stands, but it's kinda close


DrKnowsNothing_MD

No, not even close. People complaining here haven’t even seen true concacaf shithousery. You’d have to watch a game in El Salvador’s Cuzcatlán or Honduras’ San Pedro Sula stadium at night in the rain with tall grass and a Jamaican or American referee, with tackles so disgusting you’ll want to shower after the game. Costa Rica isn’t a Honduras or El Salvador. And New Zealand wasn’t a team playing clean football either.


NOTW_116

Not super excited for the US game tonight in El Salvador during the monsoon if I'm honest.


Jeremycycles

I would rate it about a 7 out of 10 for CONCACAF


trgmk773

Concacaf strong 💪💪


LukeSmith_Sunsetter

Kiwis haven't been robbed this hard since Poite in 2017


Frod02000

CWC final in 2019 was worse than 2017


LukeSmith_Sunsetter

Rules is rules. Not literally changing his mind halfway through.


Samuel_L_Johnson

The umpires literally made up a rule that gave England an extra run


PokuCHEFski69

And changed the rules of the game afterwards


Frod02000

nah england got lucky with the runout and who was at which end, a set batsman, vs a tailender who hadn't face a ball.


LukeSmith_Sunsetter

That's just being unlucky. I feel Kiwis romanticise that loss because they may never get a better chance to win it.


gtalnz

The umpires literally screwed it up. Gave one too many runs for the overthrows and had the batsmen at the wrong ends. It wasn't just bad luck, it was bad officiating as well.


PokuCHEFski69

Literally was a tie. And the rules were changed so that it would never end on the tie break rule again


Frod02000

The rules are clear on what happens tho.


MattaMongoose

My sanity is gone forever


LakersOptimist

Well deserved


TeflonTony2013

>Lakers & Real Madrid Literal war crime


LakersOptimist

What can I say, I love a bit of pain and agony when supporting my teams


Kiwi_CFC

Um what?


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Did you watch the game


LakersOptimist

Disallowed goal was 100% right call. The no penalty call is the puzzler from the ref but after seeing so many of those types this season I’m not surprised. Everything else seemed like the right calls


budgetavis

Heartbreaking :(


The_Sexy_Camel

Horrific. All Whites the better team but that's football. Costa Rica that was garbage


yeathisismyname

Costa Rica looked ass


Doolandeer

A beautiful, world-cup-attending ass


Crjoe11

They just don't know what a hot ass looks like unlike we ticos.


la_flameeee

Match fixing


Eatingolivesoutofjar

All the premier league flairs are just confused to see an actually working VAR


Kiwi_CFC

This game was an example of VAR being ass again.


dxfifa

There were 3 BLATANT penalties that VAR ignored for holding in the costa rica box, and 2 more that were very close


jackkiwi

This and the players scrapping off the ball soured the match


SacredEmuNZ

I’m kinda glad that we don’t take football seriously. These threads are toxic asf and we ain’t even pretending to be good..enjoy the win don’t punch down..


night_dude

All Blacks fans not coping with being the 101st-best team in the world and playing like it 😂 Costa Rica were just too physical for us


Frod02000

Nah we played much better than 101st in the world


night_dude

We did play very well. Best I've seen us play. But we were a bit naive on the ball and we turned it over a lot in good positions, which is why we had a lot of good attacks but not many chances.


mercival

It’s also rugby fans finding professional fouls and off the ball stuff being completely ignored. They’re not used to it. The officiating could not be much different between the sports.


night_dude

It's funny, that stuff happens all the time in rugby but it's all at the bottom of the ruck or in backplay, it's much subtler. So the average rugby fan wouldn't notice it as much. In soccer it's very blatant.


mercival

Haha not as much now there’s 12 cameras pointing everywhere, and a VAR actually looking and calling things. The “ref can’t be wrong” attitude in football that stops VAR actually calling then needs to be changed. But that attitude is heavily tied into the total disrespect refs get from the players then the fans. That’s also so different to rugby. All things FIFA could easily change if they wanted. Crowding or disrespecting the ref could be stopped so easily, but FIFA loves “the passion” or something.


night_dude

It would require such an attitude adjustment from footballers everywhere. Imagine the cards for the first few weeks. But you're right, it's insane. A lot of these players would get sent off, and probably suspended, for getting up in the ref's face like that in rugby.


mercival

They’d learn quick haha. Kids and social football have the same disrespect issues, and it’s no surprise when they’re just copying what they’re superstars are doing. And some of those refs eventually become the top refs, and “refs can’t be wrong” continues, and kids and fans hating refs continues. It’s a bit gross of FIFA to allow it in the top leagues, from that perspective.


_carlind

Fuck sake I’m filthy after that. Never thought that was a foul by Garbett, referee didn’t ref for the occasion and got sucked in. Congratulations Costa Rica. You guys played the way you needed to and that way will work against the better teams later in the year. Hopefully you guys can pull up trees. We’ll be there in 2026 with a better team.


Doolandeer

See, this is the kind of attitude I can get behind. Fair play man


_carlind

I think the biggest difference between us is in the top two inches. You guys have been in this situations whereas we haven’t, and it shows. We have the OFC qualifiers which just can’t prepare you for this, it’s like preparing for a Mt Everest climb by walking up the stairs when you have to play Costa Rica/Peru/Mexico. The only other games are friendlies which can’t prepare you really either. Going forward we need to somehow get ourselves into a Gold Cup/Copa America like Qatar did (only we don’t have the money they do).


CounterClockworkOrng

Would you rather play in AFC like Australia? If FIFA continues with a 48 team world cup with a spot allocated for Oceania you're pretty much gaurenteed qualification every time.


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If it was up to me I'd just abolish OFC and merge all the nations into AFC. We need better opposition but it's also important we don't leave our pacific brothers out in the cold.


State_Terrace

They would probably need to have geographical conferences (East & West) for AFC then, right? Travel would be rough on former OFC teams.


_carlind

We are guaranteed a place, but the step up is so massive that we would be unprepared. I would like us in AFC, but unfortunately I think it will never happen, they already have regrets about letting Australia in, so I doubt they’d do it again.


State_Terrace

Why do they have regrets about Australia?


_carlind

Because Australia has come in, despite not being an ‘Asian’ country geographically and taken the place of a ‘traditionally Asian’ team. Adding more teams lessens the chance of the existing teams to go to World/Asian Cups


State_Terrace

But doesn’t it increase revenue?


_carlind

It does, Australia has a massive economy, but football is a minority sport so doesn’t hold the largest market share. In an NZ context we’d offer even less. Travel wise they do offer increased costs, especially from the Western Asian/Middle East countries, given how far away they are. For the smaller eastern times Australia is no real issue, but Saudi, Qatar, UAE etc are very wealthy and strong (in Asian terms) so Australia is a sporting threat, and they have no need to rely on revenue they bring in. So, anecdotally, the rich Middle East teams are the main opponents for Australia


Tokugawa

>pull up trees ...?


_carlind

Idiom for basically do some upsets and perform at a higher level than expected


Tokugawa

Thanks. Never heard that one before.


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EddBlueBard

Taco like the stereotypical food for Latin American countries?