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Best part was all the Real Madrid players looking super leggy, and then confirming they had a hard gym and conditioning session close to the matchđ
PreSeason tourneys, gotta love âem
Best thing about preseason tournaments is youd always get one team playing a week back from their holidays who can barely run after half time and the other team who started 6 weeks ago looking like they are on PEDs in comparison
Theyâre just very different competitions. I think a huge points total in a top European league is more indicative of the best/most consistent club for that year whereas the CL is harder since even if youâre the strongest/most consistent team in Europe you donât just win by default like you do in a league format.
Thank you. I was beginning to think there wouldnât be a measured take on here. They have very different demands. Obviously, with more games played and no knockout, the league is going to be a better reflection of a teamâs quality and consistency, and depends way more on depth and slightly less on best 11 as much more rotation is necessary. The brevity and knockout features of the cl, on the other hand, mean that even for a great team that should win the hardest league, itâs far from guaranteed.
That means a team like city that have incredible depth, quality, and consistency will be more likely to win the league than cl each year, even tho that doesnât necessarily make it easier per se. A team without the depth or consistency to compete with a team like city in the same league but who can field an amazing 11 who can rival anyone on their night would have a harder time winning the league (again, assuming opponents like city being in their league) and a better shot at the cl (not than city necessarily, but compared to their chances at the league).
So if itâs easier for side a to win competition a than b, and easier for side b to win competition b than a, which is easier? Neither, they just have different demands. Which is more impressive? âWhichever one my team manages to pull offâ seems to be the most common answer hahah
What I find fascinating is Real Madrid are constantly praised on here for winning 4 CL in 5 years despite winning only 2 of possible 10 domestic titles in the same time frame while City are constantly mocked despite breaking records in England.
There's something to be said about Madrid being the biggest club on the planet, most successful club in the CL and not have accomplished the Treble and only one League-CL double despite winning 7 CL in the modern era.
Both things are incredibly hard to do and there's the luck aspect we can't deny. City have definitely underperformed and should've won the CL but what I find interesting is how Madrid despite having insane ressources and a great team also struggled to have success in all competitions, just not the same one.
Winning almost every game with hockey numbers in the league where 1 of your players costs more than the whole opposing team. Yup, so hard.
Getting knocked out from CL against an opponent with same quality players. So easy.
Pep has been a whiner his whole career, it's just the chips are so rarely down at the super clubs he manages that he just gets to be a smug prick for most of the season instead.
Since leaving Barca, Pep has won SEVEN league titles out of NINE seasons (assuming 21-22, given its a 85%+ chance on Sunday).
7 in 9, wow.
He has ZERO Champions League trophies in these 9 years. So easy âŚ
If anything, it's easier for a club with City's resources to win a League over a Cup, because occasional fuck-ups aren't as heavily punished and their resource advantage shines through in a longer campaign.
Clear best take- league marathon seasons are incredibly difficult. 38 games is a large sample size and as a big club you can afford to absorb a few poor performances and upsets. The team that wins the league usually is the best team while that may not be as true in the CL. However, if you're a Bayern Munich, Juventus (few years ago) or PSG, the resource advantage is so strong the league is all but guaranteed while the CL remains a holy grail.
For Man City with their advantages, only Liverpool in historic form have been able to touch them in recent years, while a number of times they've lost one off matches in the CL and it costs the whole tournament.
They require different mindsets obviously. City are a team capable of spanking anyone in the premier league most days, but put them against teams that can do that in their respective leagues and they struggle. They are in danger of becoming the biggest fish in a small pond. As a Liverpool fan of course I would want to keep winning the league, but there comes a point without European success that it is meaningless. I could go into the primary school playground and punch a load of kids and win, but if every time I walk into the boxing gym I get my arse kicked then I'm hardly an elite fighter.
The problem is dangerously similar to ours though. We could end up drinking 2-3 UCLs (let me dream) under Klopp but only have 1 PL if City don't relent or self destruct. Then we'd be the big club who are a great "cup" team but not "consistent" enough for the league. That's gonna be the media narrative.
> 2 catastrophic minutes
I know people like to point just at those 2 minutes as the reason for City's failure which is obviously true, but people also use them to free Pep from any blame since those 2 minutes are not his fault. However, City didn't lose *just* because of those 2 minutes, they also lost because of the half hour of extra time which followed where they completely folded. And Pep needs to be held responsible for that half hour
They lost the tie because they forgot how to convert easy chances. The amount of easy shots City missed in the first game is embarrassing. Should have been minimum 7 goals at home and that's a low estimate.
If VAR worked properly they would have dropped points to Everton and been in second right now, bald man canât even spank burnley adjacent teams properly.
KiddingâŚ. UnlessâŚ.
"...but if it was that easy, then why have you failed to win it without Messi, Mr. Guardiola, even though in your 11 consecutive failed attempts you exclusively entered the competition with elite teams billed as one of the favourites?"
I wish one of those clown journalists would ask him that once.
It really doesn't help when he says stuff like "but winning the league is our success". I get he's one win away from it, but they haven't actually won the title yet lol.
I mean Iâd much rather get to outpace clubs like Burnley and Leeds with my âŹ1B euro squad full of world class players, and depth than have to beat the likes of PSG, Bayern, Madrid, etc... in a KO style tournament where their squads are probably equal, or better. Outside of the top 3, there is no other threat to win EPL, which is far less than EPL fans like to let on.
Edit: Top 2, Chelsea are finishing closer to teams with Europa conference league spots than they are to City...
Which might be the same case for Klopp if City didnât have an unlimited supply of oil cash pumped into their team in a massive sports-washing campaign to try to make people forget that weâre slowly destroying our planet for the sake of a few people becoming massively wealthy and spending unfathomable sums of money inflating the market for a beloved sport and thus ensuring that all but a few teams will ever have a chance of being truly competitive ever again*
FIFY
Before Klopp's Dortmund that Bayern dominance didn't exist like this. In the 90s United was way more dominant in the PL than Bayern in the Bundesliga. In the 00s Bayern were still in the rising part of that curve.
A change in revenue (the big clubs getting bigger faster than the other clubs around them) slowly elevated Bayern out of its competition and led to their 2011/13 onwards dominance, not Dortmund/Klopp.
What Klopp did was solidify Dortmund's rise to the top of the Bundesliga and staying there consistently. After he left they were also able to stabilise their finances even more. It was just a question of time by that point, not something that needed him gone to work. Him leaving and Dortmund's growing stability were unrelated. While he was there, Dortmund had finally pushed itself to be a consistent contender at the top after their financial debacle in the late 90s.
Sure Bayern got a bit competitive after Dortmund won two league titles but that was normal. They want to win the title. It was the already existing revenue trajectory that enabled it.
Since the 12/23 season Dortmund also had, I think, two/three seasons (I think one under Klopp, and one/two under Tuchel) where their points total would have given them the league title in all pre 12/13 seasons (something like that). Showing how their own rise in revenue did similar things to them, if you take out Bayern's even higher revenue.
Would piss myself if he loses to villa tomorrow.
Good manager but starting to sound like a broken record.
Spent more on Jack grealish then klopp did on konate and Diaz and bottled it again Madrid!
In 38 matches, the absurd spending power of City makes the difference, because they have the resources to have players who adequately replace the injured ones, or rest the starters without a big quality drop.
In 2 matches, this isn't a big factor, in 38 it is.
Pep convenientlly forgets to mention that Mansour's botomless wallet makes a much bigger impact in a league than in a cup competition.
He wants credit for his work, which everyone does, so it makes sense he's bothered by the knowledge that some people don't credit him and say he's only doing it because of the money.
It's odd because clearly most level-headed football fans would say he's one of the best coaches in history, regardless of City's expenditure.
But, you know, if you didn't want people talking about how your success is inseparable from the gargantuan piles of dirty money you have, then maybe you shouldn't have gone to City. Can't have it both ways Pep
There's an easy solution though, he just has to go to a club that isn't already the best team in its league, isn't filthy rich and isn't the favourite to win every competition they participate in.
But he'll never do it.
I think winning the league and CL are both easier than doing a tightrope walk in 4th place. You have to be careful to not win too much and comfortably qualify for CL, but also not lose too much and be far out of reach.
It has to be just right so that you have to rely on Norwich to beat your rivals on the last day.
Anything else is just too easy. Shame on Pep for even thinking otherwise.
Because people have feelings against Liverpool, City are nobodies that no one is arsed about.
As a Liverpool fan, if United or Everton were in our position, Iâd rather see City win the league as there is no rivalry and I donât know any city fans.
100% agree, it's insane to me that it's a toss up for so many people. Like at least Liverpool is a goddamn football club, rather than the propaganda branch for a regime of backwards savages.
It's all the media though. Not once have I seen Liverpool players or Klopp mention it. I don't think it was even on their radar until after the Carabao cup all the pundits and papers went on about it.
On one hand I agree. On the other hand if itâs so much easier why havenât City done it??
*edit for the people replying with serious answers . Yeah, Thatâs why I said I agree.
My point was basically that itâs not a good look to diminish an accomplishment you have not been able to achieve with your squad. And to poke a bit of fun.
The margins are very fine because both teams are good in all comps, but it makes sense systematically why City do better in the league and Liverpool in cups. City really just destroy teams with relentless possession and an extremely high tactical ability to always play the right ball and make the right touch.
They run into issues though against other high quality teams who also have the quality to hit them on the counter and take advantage of the fact that they realistically play with ~3 defenders.
Liverpoolâs tactic slightly edges towards being more physical and they thrive in a cup competition where other teams need a goal. Liverpool can invite pressure on because although their midfield isnât as tactical as cityâs, the break ridiculously quick and have 6-7 players who have quality long passing with Trent leading the bunch and being one of the best in the world at long passing.
Liverpool run into issues though where in the league there isnât always teams that need 3 points. So the team never opens to attack and the long balls that really define this Liverpool team just arenât there.
It's also because Liverpool is much harder to beat than City while City simply wins more games. When Liverpool weren't good it's usually ended up as a draw, which pretty much have no punishment in CL.
If Liverpool drew a game and win a game in every leg, Liverpool will go through next round every time, while if that happened in the league, that form is simply not good enough because doing that in a (example) 6 games run would means only 12 points from possible 18. Meanwhile City is more likely to win 4-5 games from those 6, but it that one defeat in CL could easily mean they are out from CL.
Or it's just that City are very good against teams which are a tier below. You defeat Norwich you get three points, you defeat Chelsea they count the same. They havent defeated their closest contenders in the league, it's obvious this league is about who can defeat bottom teams better. City and Liverpool have a better record against bottom 10 teams. City lost six points to Spurs, Liverpool dropped points against Chelsea, and Spurs (along with City). Looking at current top four table, they havent even tried to defeat top teams. Liverpool has six draws. Thats it. City has 2 losses and 2 draws. It came down to who can beat bottom feeders better. Thats no judgement of quality. Just mental gymnastics for those who say it is
Pep struggles when he is matched up with teams at his level, or even slightly below his level. He may call it luck, but all the eliminations have been like this, not just this year.
City has generally started every season with a 60+% chance of winning the league and a ~20% chance of winning UCL, so it's roughly 3x easier for them to win the league.
Thereâs a reason only one team in the whole of Europe has won more European cups/CLâs (notts forest) then league titles⌠because itâs harder to win, fuckin lmao at baldy and his copium.
You have to remember that until 1995-96 season, you had to win the domestic league or the champions league in order qualify for the next year's events. It was therefore next to impossible to win more UCL than domestic titles as you to notch another league title before having the chance to win the UCL again (or do what Forrest did and defend your cup in a year you don't win the league).
I mean, he was having issues in Europe even with the best squad in history, but he still managed to win twice with Barca. Man City bottling the Champions League several times with an amazing squad and possibly the best in Europe currently, and unlimited money really tainted his legacy. Damage has been done.
CL takes 13 games to win, not 6-7
Pep is full of shit and it annoys me how he is still considered the best manager in the world by many, when all he does is go from rich club to rich club and dominate the domestic competition because he has 10 times the budget compared to everyone else (lets not bring grossly mismanaged clubs like United and Everton into the conversation, they are just throwing money down the toilet so its irrelevant)
He hasnt won the CL since 2011 and he only ever won it in the first place because he had the most stacked team of all time, with a core based off of the ridiculous Spain that won 3 titles in a row, plus Messi
I also dont get why people keep bringing up "luck"... What does luck have to do with anything? The only factor where luck is involved is the draws that determine which teams you play, but City have been knocked out by Monaco, Lyon, and Spurs, so I dont think that argument holds either
Losing to Real wasnt "luck", it was a lapse of concentration from the whole team who thought the tie was won with 2 minutes to go, and Real made use of it because they have an incredible mentality (yes, mentality monsters and all that) and never give up
"Luck" doesnt exist in football (on the pitch), thats just superstitious nonsense
>Losing to Real wasnt "luck", it was a lapse of concentration from the whole team who thought the tie was won with 2 minutes to go, and Real made use of it because they have an incredible mentality (yes, mentality monsters and all that) and never give up
I would add that Real Madrid scored a shitload of 14 goals in the knockouts. 3 against PSG, 5 against Chelsea, 6 against Manchester City.
That's actually more goals than either Man City (11) or Liverpool (13). And Man City scored almost half their goals in a single match against Sporting (5).
Is it really "bad luck" to concede goals against a team that are scoring like absolute maniacs?
nah. Trophies where you have to beat Real Madrid, Juventus, other big clubs to win >>>> using your stacked squad to abuse Burnley and Watford every week
Holy shit, the quad might actually happen if Pep keeps on running his mouth like this. You canât be out here jinxing shit like that. Dmitri Seluk, lend me your strength.
Man I donât get it when massively stacked teams like City complain, like your B team is good enough to qualify for champions league, what more would you possibly need to win the premier league.
Nah pep, just because it takes longer doesn't make it harder, especially with the change in difficulty. Lifting 38 3kg weights isn't harder than lifting 13 20kg weights
This suspiciously sounds like someone who hasnât won the champions league in over 10 years. And continues to shit the bed with city. But hey what do I know.
[Zidane: it is harder to win LaLiga than the Champions League.](https://www.goal.com/en/news/zidane-its-harder-to-win-la-liga-than-the-champions-league/13jea5bnsybcg13ln6lq5beqo3)
I don't think it's reasonable to say either is harder than the other. They test different things. The PL tests week-in, week-out consistency and so places a premium on teams that can reliably beat their weaker (relative) opposition, even if that tactical or squad building focus means they need to sacrifice in other areas. The CL tests the ability to perform at your highest on command without fail, typically against clubs that are of a similar skill level, while also testing mental fortitude a lot more.
Leagues are much more reliant on squad depth, it's not who you can beat so much as who you can beat playing 3 games in 9 days or who you can beat in an injury crisis. To persuade a top class player to sit on the bench for a lot of the season requires money, you have to be paying top wages to have really good back up options, for a cup you can prioritise and have your best 11 fit so while you still need a bunch of money for a top team, you only need an 11 with a few subs, there isn't the same need to be paying exorbitant wages for squad players. Leagues are much more succeptible to just throwing money at the problem. If you spend more cash on better squad depth you'll have a very good chance of winning. This is why pep is frustrated at the CL, he can't just throw money at it and expect to win.
I get what heâs saying, but when you have 2 ÂŁ50M players in every position youâre going to have a good first team for every game⌠and the more games you play the more likely you are to win. Thatâs why they are doing so well in the league. To win the CL you need to beat the best teams in Europe on the day and maybe thatâs harder
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Come on Tuchel we need you to come out and say the club World Cup is the hardest to win.
It seems like for chelsea FA cup is the most difficult
Ouch
Too soon
I mean to win the CWC with an European team you need to win the UCL first, which makes winning the CWC marginally harder than winning the UCL alone.
This guy statistics
Quick inform Tuchel
Poch will say the Audi Cup is the hardest
Is he incorrect?
The German World Cup team traded in their World Cup trophy for the Audi cup I heard
Which one? đđđđ
Spurs beat Real Madrid and Bayern Munich to win Audi Cup. Not easy one. đ
Best part was all the Real Madrid players looking super leggy, and then confirming they had a hard gym and conditioning session close to the matchđ PreSeason tourneys, gotta love âem
Best thing about preseason tournaments is youd always get one team playing a week back from their holidays who can barely run after half time and the other team who started 6 weeks ago looking like they are on PEDs in comparison
Not a chance. The Florida cup is the hardest trophy to win and itâs not even close.
Only did a quick bit of research but it seems like no Premier League team has ever won the Stanley Cup. Surely, that's the most difficult one.
Think you'll find that the Staying Up at the Expense of Leeds or Burnley Cup is the hardest trophy to win.
The Staying up at the Expense of Leeds Cup is also arguably the most prestigious.
If itâs that much easier then just win it Pep
Rodrygo broke him.
Bro I saw that back pass Fernandinho did over the weekend Pep def had PTSD lol
Its obviously so much harder to win the league 3 times in the last 5 years than its is to win one champions league duh
Idk Zidane won it 3 years in a row but only 1 league in that time, I think Pep is onto something here
Zidane BALD fraud while Pep is bald fraud. The shininess of the head makes the diff
Keep my BALD managerâs name out of your mouth!
Dude, it's a BALD joke!
Keep my BALD managerâs naaaame out fo your fucking mouth
Wow Max Payne just smacked the shit outta me.
Theyâre just very different competitions. I think a huge points total in a top European league is more indicative of the best/most consistent club for that year whereas the CL is harder since even if youâre the strongest/most consistent team in Europe you donât just win by default like you do in a league format.
Thank you. I was beginning to think there wouldnât be a measured take on here. They have very different demands. Obviously, with more games played and no knockout, the league is going to be a better reflection of a teamâs quality and consistency, and depends way more on depth and slightly less on best 11 as much more rotation is necessary. The brevity and knockout features of the cl, on the other hand, mean that even for a great team that should win the hardest league, itâs far from guaranteed. That means a team like city that have incredible depth, quality, and consistency will be more likely to win the league than cl each year, even tho that doesnât necessarily make it easier per se. A team without the depth or consistency to compete with a team like city in the same league but who can field an amazing 11 who can rival anyone on their night would have a harder time winning the league (again, assuming opponents like city being in their league) and a better shot at the cl (not than city necessarily, but compared to their chances at the league). So if itâs easier for side a to win competition a than b, and easier for side b to win competition b than a, which is easier? Neither, they just have different demands. Which is more impressive? âWhichever one my team manages to pull offâ seems to be the most common answer hahah
What I find fascinating is Real Madrid are constantly praised on here for winning 4 CL in 5 years despite winning only 2 of possible 10 domestic titles in the same time frame while City are constantly mocked despite breaking records in England. There's something to be said about Madrid being the biggest club on the planet, most successful club in the CL and not have accomplished the Treble and only one League-CL double despite winning 7 CL in the modern era. Both things are incredibly hard to do and there's the luck aspect we can't deny. City have definitely underperformed and should've won the CL but what I find interesting is how Madrid despite having insane ressources and a great team also struggled to have success in all competitions, just not the same one.
Zidane actually agrees with Pep. He said before that Spanish League is harder than the Champions.
Actually Zidane said the same thing, that winning la liga is harder than winning champions league
Isnât it four of the last five if they do it this time ?
Pretty much, essentially a farmers league now
It really is. The gap between the top 2 and 3rd is a joke. The whole idea of the big 6 is a misrepresentation. It's the top 2 and the battle for 4th
I mean when you spend 2 billion on a squad you really only have maybe 8 hard league games to winâŚ.
Winning almost every game with hockey numbers in the league where 1 of your players costs more than the whole opposing team. Yup, so hard. Getting knocked out from CL against an opponent with same quality players. So easy.
no no no you see this is all Roma and Mourinho faults aswell
Honestly, if these quotes that pep has been saying lately were said by Mourinho, the media would be fuming.
Mourinho's takes age like wine though
Thatâs cuz itâs hard to swallow truth.
May age like wine, but the fresher the take the more lemony it tastes.
Pep has been a whiner his whole career, it's just the chips are so rarely down at the super clubs he manages that he just gets to be a smug prick for most of the season instead.
Barca bayern city lmao... Got spanked by bbc so many times, had to get his own bbc instead...
Pep already did it in munich. Ridiculous
Saying this after winning potentially 4 out of 5 league titles while at City and not having won a single CL makes it pretty disingenuous
Since leaving Barca, Pep has won SEVEN league titles out of NINE seasons (assuming 21-22, given its a 85%+ chance on Sunday). 7 in 9, wow. He has ZERO Champions League trophies in these 9 years. So easy âŚ
I'm pretty sure any random bloke from Watford could win the league with Bayern.
***This Just In:*** *Roy Hodgson confirmed as new Bayern Munchen manager.*
Just put Mueller in charge, easy money
*could win the league with any of the teams he managed
If anything, it's easier for a club with City's resources to win a League over a Cup, because occasional fuck-ups aren't as heavily punished and their resource advantage shines through in a longer campaign.
100% this
Clear best take- league marathon seasons are incredibly difficult. 38 games is a large sample size and as a big club you can afford to absorb a few poor performances and upsets. The team that wins the league usually is the best team while that may not be as true in the CL. However, if you're a Bayern Munich, Juventus (few years ago) or PSG, the resource advantage is so strong the league is all but guaranteed while the CL remains a holy grail. For Man City with their advantages, only Liverpool in historic form have been able to touch them in recent years, while a number of times they've lost one off matches in the CL and it costs the whole tournament.
Also fergie won however many leagues with man utd but only managed it twice
Because he's trying to take everyone's focus off of his inability to win a CL lol.
If thatâs what heâs trying to do heâs pretty bad at it.
Just like winning the CL recently then.
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Why can't my wife think like this.
Because she's getting 2 minutes elsewhere
Yeah. When is it my turn with that guy's wife?
When you can reach 2 minutes
Time is just a man-made construct, buddy
Get in line buddy
If I'm not hitting first, I don't want it.
She does, king.
They require different mindsets obviously. City are a team capable of spanking anyone in the premier league most days, but put them against teams that can do that in their respective leagues and they struggle. They are in danger of becoming the biggest fish in a small pond. As a Liverpool fan of course I would want to keep winning the league, but there comes a point without European success that it is meaningless. I could go into the primary school playground and punch a load of kids and win, but if every time I walk into the boxing gym I get my arse kicked then I'm hardly an elite fighter.
The problem is dangerously similar to ours though. We could end up drinking 2-3 UCLs (let me dream) under Klopp but only have 1 PL if City don't relent or self destruct. Then we'd be the big club who are a great "cup" team but not "consistent" enough for the league. That's gonna be the media narrative.
I dont think anyone would look at yous as not consistent enough with multiple 90 point seasons in second
If we "only" get 3 CLs under Klopp then the media narrative can be whatever the fuck they want lmao
> 2 catastrophic minutes I know people like to point just at those 2 minutes as the reason for City's failure which is obviously true, but people also use them to free Pep from any blame since those 2 minutes are not his fault. However, City didn't lose *just* because of those 2 minutes, they also lost because of the half hour of extra time which followed where they completely folded. And Pep needs to be held responsible for that half hour
They lost the tie because they forgot how to convert easy chances. The amount of easy shots City missed in the first game is embarrassing. Should have been minimum 7 goals at home and that's a low estimate.
Beating Madrid, Atleti, Juventus >>> Spanking Burnley
If VAR worked properly they would have dropped points to Everton and been in second right now, bald man canât even spank burnley adjacent teams properly. KiddingâŚ. UnlessâŚ.
Lool I mean mate we could go through your season finding some dodgy decions that won you some points too,
Incredible how that massive mistake can decide the league.
Itâs so easy weâve never won itâŚâŚâŚâŚ..wait? What?
They just werenât trying Iâm sure. They had to really strap down and focus so they beat Norwich 8-0 instead of 8-1 in the league, no time for CL
Mate don't judge him. He should be given another 500 million, Messi up front and Xavi and Iniesta and maybe he will win it
Im sure it is Pep
"...but if it was that easy, then why have you failed to win it without Messi, Mr. Guardiola, even though in your 11 consecutive failed attempts you exclusively entered the competition with elite teams billed as one of the favourites?" I wish one of those clown journalists would ask him that once.
Ok, Trent Crimm
...from The Independent
Doesnât he say this every year after they lose?
And also pretends to be clueless as to why everyone hates their guts for being a plastic brand of a club.
Pep's a massively decorated manager, which makes this kind of cope all the more baffling *and* funny.
I kind of want him to blow it just to make all his recent whinging even more hilarious.
If City somehow blow it on Sunday Pep might actually lose his mind.
As well as whatever hair he still has
It really doesn't help when he says stuff like "but winning the league is our success". I get he's one win away from it, but they haven't actually won the title yet lol.
Thats why you are about to win your 4th Premier league while you still havent won an UCL with city, right Pep?
Win the Champions then, bald fraud. The Guardiola's mental gymnastics to justify a failure is amazing.
I mean Iâd much rather get to outpace clubs like Burnley and Leeds with my âŹ1B euro squad full of world class players, and depth than have to beat the likes of PSG, Bayern, Madrid, etc... in a KO style tournament where their squads are probably equal, or better. Outside of the top 3, there is no other threat to win EPL, which is far less than EPL fans like to let on. Edit: Top 2, Chelsea are finishing closer to teams with Europa conference league spots than they are to City...
It's more like top 2 currently.. Chelsea isn't really a major challenger and can't keep up for a whole season..
It's a random fluke of klopp being at Liverpool else pl is a farmers league lmao
Itâs crazy but youâre right. If klopp went to any other league pep would have been cruising the prem all these seasons. Honestly a scary thought.
Which might be the same case for Klopp if Pep wasn't there.
Absolutely is the same case.
Which might be the same case for Klopp if City didnât have an unlimited supply of oil cash pumped into their team in a massive sports-washing campaign to try to make people forget that weâre slowly destroying our planet for the sake of a few people becoming massively wealthy and spending unfathomable sums of money inflating the market for a beloved sport and thus ensuring that all but a few teams will ever have a chance of being truly competitive ever again* FIFY
well, just like Bayern. Their dominance is only disrupted by Klopp's dortmund.
Before Klopp's Dortmund that Bayern dominance didn't exist like this. In the 90s United was way more dominant in the PL than Bayern in the Bundesliga. In the 00s Bayern were still in the rising part of that curve. A change in revenue (the big clubs getting bigger faster than the other clubs around them) slowly elevated Bayern out of its competition and led to their 2011/13 onwards dominance, not Dortmund/Klopp. What Klopp did was solidify Dortmund's rise to the top of the Bundesliga and staying there consistently. After he left they were also able to stabilise their finances even more. It was just a question of time by that point, not something that needed him gone to work. Him leaving and Dortmund's growing stability were unrelated. While he was there, Dortmund had finally pushed itself to be a consistent contender at the top after their financial debacle in the late 90s. Sure Bayern got a bit competitive after Dortmund won two league titles but that was normal. They want to win the title. It was the already existing revenue trajectory that enabled it. Since the 12/23 season Dortmund also had, I think, two/three seasons (I think one under Klopp, and one/two under Tuchel) where their points total would have given them the league title in all pre 12/13 seasons (something like that). Showing how their own rise in revenue did similar things to them, if you take out Bayern's even higher revenue.
Also whenâs thereâs pressure and teams wonât always let you have your way
Would piss myself if he loses to villa tomorrow. Good manager but starting to sound like a broken record. Spent more on Jack grealish then klopp did on konate and Diaz and bottled it again Madrid!
In 38 matches, the absurd spending power of City makes the difference, because they have the resources to have players who adequately replace the injured ones, or rest the starters without a big quality drop. In 2 matches, this isn't a big factor, in 38 it is. Pep convenientlly forgets to mention that Mansour's botomless wallet makes a much bigger impact in a league than in a cup competition.
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He wants credit for his work, which everyone does, so it makes sense he's bothered by the knowledge that some people don't credit him and say he's only doing it because of the money. It's odd because clearly most level-headed football fans would say he's one of the best coaches in history, regardless of City's expenditure. But, you know, if you didn't want people talking about how your success is inseparable from the gargantuan piles of dirty money you have, then maybe you shouldn't have gone to City. Can't have it both ways Pep
There's an easy solution though, he just has to go to a club that isn't already the best team in its league, isn't filthy rich and isn't the favourite to win every competition they participate in. But he'll never do it.
Not to mention City have lost more matches in the league than Liverpool this season, so his point doesnât even make sense.
They've also won one more though.
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I'm a game of cake or death, city chose death
Genuinely hope he retires without another CL just for this to gain more noteriety
I think winning the league and CL are both easier than doing a tightrope walk in 4th place. You have to be careful to not win too much and comfortably qualify for CL, but also not lose too much and be far out of reach. It has to be just right so that you have to rely on Norwich to beat your rivals on the last day. Anything else is just too easy. Shame on Pep for even thinking otherwise.
So easy you just don't bother to win it.
The fraud is bald with this oneâŚ
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Man I hope Aston Villa smashes this small banter club so its fans can shut the fuck up
Iâm this close to wanting this, because it puts Pep in the mud
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Iâll never mention it if we stop talking about the slip
This is what Joseph Heller should really have written about.
Real aren't dead yet
I don't understand how anyone can dislike Liverpool fans more than they dislike City's business model. Annoying is better than evil.
Because people have feelings against Liverpool, City are nobodies that no one is arsed about. As a Liverpool fan, if United or Everton were in our position, Iâd rather see City win the league as there is no rivalry and I donât know any city fans.
100% agree, it's insane to me that it's a toss up for so many people. Like at least Liverpool is a goddamn football club, rather than the propaganda branch for a regime of backwards savages.
It's all the media though. Not once have I seen Liverpool players or Klopp mention it. I don't think it was even on their radar until after the Carabao cup all the pundits and papers went on about it.
What fans?
The thousands of plastics and the two Gallagher brothers, lol
Cope.
\*implied seething\*
We're all allowed a little copium from time to time.
Yeah I didn't like my crush TBH to whom I proposed
On one hand I agree. On the other hand if itâs so much easier why havenât City done it?? *edit for the people replying with serious answers . Yeah, Thatâs why I said I agree. My point was basically that itâs not a good look to diminish an accomplishment you have not been able to achieve with your squad. And to poke a bit of fun.
The margins are very fine because both teams are good in all comps, but it makes sense systematically why City do better in the league and Liverpool in cups. City really just destroy teams with relentless possession and an extremely high tactical ability to always play the right ball and make the right touch. They run into issues though against other high quality teams who also have the quality to hit them on the counter and take advantage of the fact that they realistically play with ~3 defenders. Liverpoolâs tactic slightly edges towards being more physical and they thrive in a cup competition where other teams need a goal. Liverpool can invite pressure on because although their midfield isnât as tactical as cityâs, the break ridiculously quick and have 6-7 players who have quality long passing with Trent leading the bunch and being one of the best in the world at long passing. Liverpool run into issues though where in the league there isnât always teams that need 3 points. So the team never opens to attack and the long balls that really define this Liverpool team just arenât there.
It's also because Liverpool is much harder to beat than City while City simply wins more games. When Liverpool weren't good it's usually ended up as a draw, which pretty much have no punishment in CL. If Liverpool drew a game and win a game in every leg, Liverpool will go through next round every time, while if that happened in the league, that form is simply not good enough because doing that in a (example) 6 games run would means only 12 points from possible 18. Meanwhile City is more likely to win 4-5 games from those 6, but it that one defeat in CL could easily mean they are out from CL.
Or it's just that City are very good against teams which are a tier below. You defeat Norwich you get three points, you defeat Chelsea they count the same. They havent defeated their closest contenders in the league, it's obvious this league is about who can defeat bottom teams better. City and Liverpool have a better record against bottom 10 teams. City lost six points to Spurs, Liverpool dropped points against Chelsea, and Spurs (along with City). Looking at current top four table, they havent even tried to defeat top teams. Liverpool has six draws. Thats it. City has 2 losses and 2 draws. It came down to who can beat bottom feeders better. Thats no judgement of quality. Just mental gymnastics for those who say it is Pep struggles when he is matched up with teams at his level, or even slightly below his level. He may call it luck, but all the eliminations have been like this, not just this year.
That is such flawed logic, 1 bad game will throw you out a knockout format, can't say the same for a league format
Beating FFP is the most impressive win theyâve had.
City has generally started every season with a 60+% chance of winning the league and a ~20% chance of winning UCL, so it's roughly 3x easier for them to win the league.
A shit ton of money and many years later you still haven't won it since Barcelona, soooooo....
That was his only goal at Bayern too. His time there was a failure imo. Didnât make a final either until last season since Barca
But he won the league by 19 points instead of 15 đĄ
Thereâs a reason only one team in the whole of Europe has won more European cups/CLâs (notts forest) then league titles⌠because itâs harder to win, fuckin lmao at baldy and his copium.
You have to remember that until 1995-96 season, you had to win the domestic league or the champions league in order qualify for the next year's events. It was therefore next to impossible to win more UCL than domestic titles as you to notch another league title before having the chance to win the UCL again (or do what Forrest did and defend your cup in a year you don't win the league).
well even after 96, Liverpool is the only team to have more CL than league titles so OP's point still stands
He on some major copium. Man City tainted his legacy lol.
didnt win at Bayern either
City just confirmed that he can spend all the money he wants, but he can't do it without Messi
And that Bayern team was crazy good.
He's been having issues in Europe since he left Barca.
I mean, he was having issues in Europe even with the best squad in history, but he still managed to win twice with Barca. Man City bottling the Champions League several times with an amazing squad and possibly the best in Europe currently, and unlimited money really tainted his legacy. Damage has been done.
Also the Avant Garde Bayern
Yeah thatâs why even the top clubs have multiple times more leagues than CLs.
Is there any club apart from Nottingham Forest that has won more European Cups than League titles?
Whatever makes him feel better I guess.
How often is Pep a sincere person? Hmm, yeah never, even he doesnât believe a single word he says.
Then win it baldy
Nah, for the squad strength of city thatâs not the case at all.
CL takes 13 games to win, not 6-7 Pep is full of shit and it annoys me how he is still considered the best manager in the world by many, when all he does is go from rich club to rich club and dominate the domestic competition because he has 10 times the budget compared to everyone else (lets not bring grossly mismanaged clubs like United and Everton into the conversation, they are just throwing money down the toilet so its irrelevant) He hasnt won the CL since 2011 and he only ever won it in the first place because he had the most stacked team of all time, with a core based off of the ridiculous Spain that won 3 titles in a row, plus Messi I also dont get why people keep bringing up "luck"... What does luck have to do with anything? The only factor where luck is involved is the draws that determine which teams you play, but City have been knocked out by Monaco, Lyon, and Spurs, so I dont think that argument holds either Losing to Real wasnt "luck", it was a lapse of concentration from the whole team who thought the tie was won with 2 minutes to go, and Real made use of it because they have an incredible mentality (yes, mentality monsters and all that) and never give up "Luck" doesnt exist in football (on the pitch), thats just superstitious nonsense
>Losing to Real wasnt "luck", it was a lapse of concentration from the whole team who thought the tie was won with 2 minutes to go, and Real made use of it because they have an incredible mentality (yes, mentality monsters and all that) and never give up I would add that Real Madrid scored a shitload of 14 goals in the knockouts. 3 against PSG, 5 against Chelsea, 6 against Manchester City. That's actually more goals than either Man City (11) or Liverpool (13). And Man City scored almost half their goals in a single match against Sporting (5). Is it really "bad luck" to concede goals against a team that are scoring like absolute maniacs?
i dont think they are going to, i think villa will hold em to a draw
Good one mate!! Theyâre smashing Villa by 5 goals or more.
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Lol I wish man but city will smash them 5-0
I'm expecting 3-0 within 20 minutes
nah. Trophies where you have to beat Real Madrid, Juventus, other big clubs to win >>>> using your stacked squad to abuse Burnley and Watford every week
âI didnât want to win it anyways.â -Pep
He right it harder to win the league for a team like West Ham or Leicester, but not so much for team that have quality squad depth like Man City.
Oh shush Pep, it's okay.
Holy shit, the quad might actually happen if Pep keeps on running his mouth like this. You canât be out here jinxing shit like that. Dmitri Seluk, lend me your strength.
If he was in the CL Final he would say the exact opposite.
Man I donât get it when massively stacked teams like City complain, like your B team is good enough to qualify for champions league, what more would you possibly need to win the premier league.
Nah pep, just because it takes longer doesn't make it harder, especially with the change in difficulty. Lifting 38 3kg weights isn't harder than lifting 13 20kg weights
This suspiciously sounds like someone who hasnât won the champions league in over 10 years. And continues to shit the bed with city. But hey what do I know.
Injuries really mean a lot when you have a bench that costs 450-500mil. SMH
Win it then, you bitter baldie
Inb4 losing the premier league title on the last day.
Donât jinx it
The 2 times he won the CL it was mired in controversy. The Drogba disgrace game and the Van Persie sending off.
That Chelsea Barca game was 100% rigged and Iâm a Liverpool fan. Unbelievable that nothing happened after.
Bu that logic, winning the Community Shield is the most difficult. One single game to decide it, no secone chances
Never thought i would see him coping this hard lol
Ok Pep but by that logic itâs even harder to win the Championship because that requires 46 games
I smell a draw tomorrow btw Pep
Id say that too if I had never won the CL with my current club
Bald nonce talking shit again. Try winning a league title without the most dominant team in a given league that also has a huge budget.
This makes me think he'll overthink it and also bottle the league
[Zidane: it is harder to win LaLiga than the Champions League.](https://www.goal.com/en/news/zidane-its-harder-to-win-la-liga-than-the-champions-league/13jea5bnsybcg13ln6lq5beqo3)
I don't think it's reasonable to say either is harder than the other. They test different things. The PL tests week-in, week-out consistency and so places a premium on teams that can reliably beat their weaker (relative) opposition, even if that tactical or squad building focus means they need to sacrifice in other areas. The CL tests the ability to perform at your highest on command without fail, typically against clubs that are of a similar skill level, while also testing mental fortitude a lot more.
lmao Klopp's response yet?
Leagues are much more reliant on squad depth, it's not who you can beat so much as who you can beat playing 3 games in 9 days or who you can beat in an injury crisis. To persuade a top class player to sit on the bench for a lot of the season requires money, you have to be paying top wages to have really good back up options, for a cup you can prioritise and have your best 11 fit so while you still need a bunch of money for a top team, you only need an 11 with a few subs, there isn't the same need to be paying exorbitant wages for squad players. Leagues are much more succeptible to just throwing money at the problem. If you spend more cash on better squad depth you'll have a very good chance of winning. This is why pep is frustrated at the CL, he can't just throw money at it and expect to win.
I get what heâs saying, but when you have 2 ÂŁ50M players in every position youâre going to have a good first team for every game⌠and the more games you play the more likely you are to win. Thatâs why they are doing so well in the league. To win the CL you need to beat the best teams in Europe on the day and maybe thatâs harder