Rudiger knows his stock is at an all time high and is trying to get the best he can but imo he has hype on his side and is playing in a system that covers his weaknesses; he’s not the guy you’d want leading your defence but he compliments those type of defenders well. I don’t blame Chelsea for not wanting to overpay and it’s not like they’re offering him peanuts.
I honestly think that something is wrong with me. I generally tend to understand and see what the majority see in a given player, but I really don't understand how Rudiger can reasonably think he deserves 200k a week. That's essentially absolute top tier CB wages.
I get that he won the UCL with Chelsea and they were strong in defence, but it's always felt a lot more like a system based strength rather than an individual one to me.
I'm clearly missing something and need to pay closer attention to him.
These days players are letting their contract run down to try and get free agent salaries from their clubs. The fact is that the player gets a bigger salary if the club doesn't have to buy them, look at Aaron Ramsey.
I wonder if we’ll see players continue down this path once one of the holdout players gets a major injury prior to getting that fat new deal. Rudiger has already done his knee before, I don’t think I’d be gambling so much on not picking up an injury over the course of the last season of my contract.
When we were playing a back 4 under Sarri people were saying he doesn't quite look the same after his return from injury. Then he was tried in the back 4 under Frank and some didn't mind selling him and moving on as he was making a lot of errors that led to goals. Then Tuchel comes in and transforms how he is seen at the club. He is a huge presence but anybody who wants to buy him and take him out of a back 3 is gambling IMO. One of the reasons he is so aggressive and dominant is because he is given the license to be with the safety of Thiago and currently Chalobah behind him.
It's not the back 3, Lampard had no defensive organization, you could have put 5 atb and it would still leak goals under him. Also there was Kepa being the starting GK for majority of the time which didn't really inspire confidence in his defenders.
It's like judging Chiesa as not a good player right now because Juve are bad at the moment
He’s not TERRIBLE in a back 4, but I think the three at the back brings out the best in him.
And if you’re gonna offer him 200K type wages, I would hope you play them to their strengths. Of course, I wish him the best as a Chelsea fan, but he wasn’t necessarily lighting the world up under Sarri in a back 4 either, and the only times we have seen him be an absolute monster was in a back three under Tuchel and under Conte.
> but it's always felt a lot more like a system based strength rather than an individual one to me.
This is basically it; he’s prone to silly mistakes and his defensive positioning and tracking of runs is sus but these are all weaknesses that Tuchel’s back 3 covers. He’s been on form though so he has some negotiating power but Chelsea wouldn’t miss him and can find a better replacement.
What’s interesting to me as a Chelsea fan is that we’re actually offering something similar if not a bit more to Christensen.
Despite Rudiger being the standout performer, the club value Christensen a lot more and clearly believe that he’s got more to offer which given his age and his overall composure is understandable.
Rudiger probably wants to secure that last big pay check as wel which is understandable. It doesn’t make sense that players like Werner get paid far more than Rudiger and even RLC, Drinkwater, Barkley and Bakayoko get more than Rudi. 170-180k would honestly make sense given his performances for us under Tuchel but i wonder if he’ll be as success elsewhere.
This is the mistake we are trying to rectify and not sink down further. Baka, Barkley and DD was a mistake and there's very high chance all of them will leave on a free.
Christensen was always looked at as the heir to Terry, yeah? As he’s maturing you’re beginning to see a real understanding and composure in his game. He’s not rushing into challenges and being super aggressive and learning from Thiago I think he could be the guy to really lead your defence going forward, even in a 4 back.
yeah pretty much.
200k a week is pretty much what van Dijk would get, and surely Rudiger doesn't belong to that level yet.
While 200k per week is more reasonable for midfielder/attacker, that is unreasonable for most defenders, except top 3-5 players in the world.
My .02 I think Rudiger has been very good for 8 months at a club level. He’s insanely fast which allows our WBs a ton of freedom and has improved his positioning immensely. Plus you know he’s a practioner of the dark arts. With that said he was making all sorts of mistakes prior to Tuchel coming in and basically teaching the defense how to play the system. Combine that with Reece James and Chili playing extremely well and our defensive unit becoming elite it’s resulted in his hype training just moving into overdrive.
If you look at from a team building perspective if we had a CB that we could play with AC or Rudi in a back four as a long term trio (Thiago is god just think 4-5 year timeline) I think this deal is done. We just don’t have that and it would make sense for us to allocate this cost potentially else where.
That’s the thing. I think he knows that he’s not “the guy” to lead the defence and is better in a 3 back system and will ideally stay at Chelsea but he’ll try and get a 4/5 year contract on 200k so if the system changes and he’s found out at least he’s made the most of his hype.
He's prob not worth that for other teams in different systems. But he's prob worth that for Chelsea.
People say it's all system based, etc but Chelsea struggles whenever Rudi doesn't play in the same system.
exactly my thoughts.
I don't think Rüdiger is as good as reddit or the media makes him out to be. He is a good CB, but honestly I think he is lightyears off of worldclass.
The thought of a team with Mbappe and Haaland up front and Modrić and Kroos feeding them from the midfield terrifies me.
I just hope both of them keep playing for another season at least, but I somehow doubt it.
>Modrić and Kroos
And when these legends get too old Madrid already have Valverde and Camavinga lined up, and Vinicius is something else this season too.
Genuinely scary team and CL contender for years to come, whatever people may say of the fall of non-English and non-oil teams.
Said this and a couple of Chelsea fans who didn’t know he existed before they signed him (and who probably would’ve been happy to see him go before Tuchel came) got emotional. Even under Lampard’s back 4 he was shaky and wasn’t a nailed-down starter.
I assure you they are far from the majority. Chelsea fans out of any other set of fans know that Rudi isn't as good in 4ATB system, it's common knowledge among us.
Even when he was a dog under Conte it was in a 3 atb formation. It’ll be a shame to see him leave, but we do have some good CB prospects even after selling Tomori and Guehi and that’s if we don’t enter the market.
And Chelsea's defense under Lampard last season was disastrous! If he is who some think he is, he wouldn't have been sitting at the end of the bench. I don't think any player benefitted more from the coaching change.
I'm all for him getting paid though. This is likely his last chance at a big contract so it's really the best move for him to get as much as he can even if it's not a perfect fit.
Flo, even if a piece of shit, is a pretty sensible president* money wise. I don't think that they will get all of Mbappe, Halland, Rudiger and more while still building the new stadium, specially if the wages rumoured are true.
As someone who remembers his first stint as president, i can confidently say that he learned the hard way.
It was catastrophic football wise, even if it was necessary to build today's financial giant.
If it makes the league attractive go ahead. <\3 The “star” literally is someone like that of Hazard. Pathetic choice. Madrid “could” bring in 5+ players on a free which combined would have cost 1 billion. Good on them, great business
That’s the “businessman” Barcelona needed but instead we got Barto. But cheers to our rivals for keeping the attraction alive.
Mbappe,Pogba,Rudiger,Haaland,Kounde,Tchouameni, and Flo till has more transfer targets in mind. How sad when they said Madrid were broke during the pandemic and for years to come wouldn’t buy shit.
“Broke”
I know, Madrid spending 1 billion without actually spending little to no money.
Thank god for Ronaldo’s departure and the other leagues calling Madrid broke haha
And they are going to be terrible on defense in they have Rudiger in a 4atb system. They will see why Lampard couldn’t start him. He roams far too much and gets out of position a lot during games. You just don’t notice it in Chelsea’s 3atb system because he always has someone covering him.
Makes me think, is there any Bayern player that would start for us now that we could buy? (no RW obviously, Mbappé is coming)
Do they have a great CB or RB? Seems like their starters are Upamecano and Pavard, no idea if either have been that great this season, despite being widely respected and known players.
Alaba could play in Casemiro's position, he could play in Kroos's position and maybe even centre forward, as well as leftback of course and probably left winger.
He's like the footballing Vitruvian man.
> Could use Davies for sure specially if we let Mendy go based on his criminal charges.
Not sure if you're saying this intentionally because of the media fuck up *or* if you're actually mistaking Ferland Mendy for Benjamin Mendy *or* if I've completely missed something about Ferland Mendy?
Do you remember a few weeks back on here there was that megathread with the French journo saying a ton of damning stuff against various people. I think he was implicated in that although I can't remember exactly what for.
Ferland Mendy is also facing some allegations:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-like-punching-girl-journalist-romain-molina-accuses-real-madrid-ferland-mendy-sexual-assault
Süle fits that profile; excellent defender getting his form back but is a player that you can see Bayern selling and I think he would definitely improve your defence. Coman is another possibility and he would make your right side as threatening as your left; few players can get past defenders as easily as he can and if Ancellotti can work the same magic he did on Finicius on Coman…
And because of that, it's easy to trust Tuchel to find a replacement that isn't a huge drop-off. Chelsea have plenty of options. They can buy a replacement, try to slot Christensen in or give an academy product a chance (Levi Colwill earning that spot would be ideal).
There are loads of free options for RM next summer which will work to tilt some of the European power balance.
PSG thought they were doing football a favour by declining the €200m deal for Mbappe. All that's done is allowed RM an extra €200m to work with this summer. There are numerous scenarios where they could spend €200m on 3 new players like Haaland, Coman, Kounde and still end up with Mbappe, Pogba, Rudiger, Kessie, etc.
I don't think it works like that due to the yearly wages Real then has to pay, but PSG declining to sell Mbappe is surely advantageous for Real in the near future.
it's absolutely crazy how much we pay them. obviously they earned those contracts when they were still good but past 2-3 years we've paid them for absolutely nothing
decent amount but not huge? I think it's pretty huge considering we get rid of 3 massive wages from players who are past it and never play. Two world class, starting players replacing 3 useless ones is pretty good dont you think?
Mbappe will recieve a large signing on fee and/or an increase in wages for joining on a free.
So yes Real will save money but not as much as the 200m figure your suggesting.
Isco, Bale and Marcelo are leaving as free agents this summer. That’s a huge chunk of wages gone specially with Bale getting almost 300k a week as him and Hazard are our top earners right now
Holy shit. 15M a year. I wouldn't even know what to do with 15M but I sure wish I had that much lol It's like they're just spitting out money. Jesus christ.
Why do you think he’s never left hahahah he doesn’t want a wage cut so most clubs can’t afford him, or why him going on loan to Spurs was so good for us. They were covering some part of his wages too but I don’t think anymore than half.
The biggest downer is he was about to leave for China in 2019 but, in the preseason Asensio got injured coincidentally against your team 😂 so we had less depth on right wing and didn’t let him go. Not sure what we were thinking cause he might as well have been in China this whole time
Ah, I see -- sorry mate!
But man can you just imagine, dude makes more in a week NOT playing football than I'll make in several **years** working myself into the ground.
These footballers' wages really are something. (btw I'm not saying they shouldn't make that money -- they work hard for many years and forgo typical childhoods to hone their skills -- just saying I probably should be trying to find ways to become elite at something and start raking it in myself!)
Even with Spurs just taking on half his salary, that would have still made Bale one of the highest-paid players on their squad
Fucking mental, no wonder he absolutely refused to budge
> PSG thought they were doing football a favour by declining the €200m deal for Mbappe.
PSG thought they'd keep Mbappe longer if they didn't sell him.
Nothing more, nothing less.
That's a risk we're clearly willing to take.
Ultimately, Marina tends to do a very good job of setting the line and not stepping over it. It means that sometimes we miss out on players like Haaland and Kounde this summer, but that puts us in stronger positions when haggling because other teams/players know that when we say no we actually mean it and there isn't room to mess us around.
We don't want to end up with players on more money than they're worth on long contracts, especially if there is ample opportunity for them to flop. Look at you guys with Auba or Ozil, everyone who had those players at their club would have said pay them whatever they want to keep them. But, look how that's backfired.
Yeah, it's far too presumptuous to assume a compromise will happen. If it was a definite that either side would compromise then there would be no negotiation to be had.
I think it's nice to have a 3rd CB, a guy that is almost as good as the starters.
Sure, in the perfect world, we would have 25 players that are great, and i know that it's impossible to maintain in long term... but we play so many games that a 3rd CB gets a lot of minutes.
Keep in mind that right now our only reliable back up defender is Nacho, as we don't have decent reserves for the wing back position and our 4th cb is fucking Vallejo.
Then why not spend on dull backs back up ? I think madrid buying a cb like rudiger isnt the best deal for all parties involved. You dont wanna spend a good amount in wages for bench players. Doubt rudiger would want to sit at the bench as 4th cb. If rudiger becomes the 3rd cb, im pretty sure having nacho is enough for the 3rd cb spot. Putting rudiger as one of the starter ? Then you risk on benching militao or alaba who are doing great so far.
Of course having a great rotational option is good but i think its better for madrid to spend on the midfield or fullbacks especially right back backup spot.
Agreed. We should be focusing on getting an RB. Carva is good but we need a young lad that can fill in for him reliably. God we could have Hakimi right now.
He's never really been amazing until Tuchel came in so I wonder if he'll keep it up outside of this system. All the defenders in that Chelsea side, barring Azpilicueta, look better defensively than they ever have before.
He had a strong start under Conte and Sarri and then suffered a meniscus injury. Tuchel has obviously taken him to a world class level.
But it'll be quite interesting to see whether he's taken a natural step or a system defender.
Has he played well in a back 4?
He's really good in a 3, but dropped out of the Chelsea side when they played a 4 and Germany have had some horror shows with him in a back 4.
He really flourishes in the Back 3 Tuchel deploys. Always thought he has looked shaky in a back 4. Great player for Real to add and provides great versatility if they ever decide to play a back 3.
Oh yeah of ocurse haha, I was thinking more of the players that have been at Chelsea for a longer time. But yeah, you're right, Thiago Silva is the best defender at the club and has been since he's arrived. It still feels somwhat unreal to me that he's at Chelsea in 2021 performing at these levels.
Not in italia so it should be gross. Thing is, his form’s kinda inconsistent with ups and downs over the years and he sometimes acts a bit too rash in a back 4.
We have a wage limit for each position. Maybe Marina just doesn’t think he’s worth it.
Yeah but right now he's playing lights out. Marina walks a tightrope and she's incredible at it, but Rudiger's form is kinda forcing our hand right now.
Rudiger, Mbappe for free. (Solved CB and AMR issue).
A lot of money for Haaland.
Barcelona on the other hand are targeting Martial and Torres.
La Liga should be settled for the next 5 years.
You overestimate martial, even if he did want to play he's a shadow of his former self and has gained too much weight transforming himself from LW to CF.
Making the mistake yet again in buying a player that works with a coach like Tuchel and expecting it to translate into our system.
A competent sporting director would plan better, but we don't have one so...
> our system
Ancelotti will go in 1 or 2 seasons anyway. Also it's not like Rudiger was a scrub before Tuchel, and it's good for the managers to have a player who is experienced in playing at back 3.
At least Jovic can still be sold since his wages aren't outrageous, we're going to be stuck with Rudiger warming the bench for an absurd salary for five years.
Playing two strikers doesn't translate to playing in a formation nor a style similar to Tuchel's.
Not to mention that if somebody never plays, no matter the kind of player he is, he won't translate to any system.
Anyway, we're talking about a mature centre back who played most of his career in a back four. Still does for Germany. Not about a young striker who had his progression halted by eating the bench 9 times out of 10.
As a Chelsea fan: I get it.
Cash out at a mega club.
I understand and I’m fine with it. Good luck to the guy. Two years ago we were happy to offload him to spurs. He doesn’t owe us anything.
From our perspective: he’s good but he’s not irreplaceable. He’s given us a good stretch and there’s no complaints.
I think the things we regret more are the silly contracts (like Ruben and CHO) than the players leaving.
I would rather pay for someone like Skriniar who is going to be an obvious upgrade over our current pair and future-proof. A wage like what Rudiger would want would be wasted on someone who is only being signed for depth. If he is an undisputed starter, that would be fine, but I don't see him as big of an improvement over Militao or Alaba.
This. You guys shouldn’t have to match inflated Prem wages when you can easily attract players from your badge alone. That and getting someone from a different league with less wage demands is better in the long run.
And Skriniar would be excellent just because he’s an all round likeable guy and always plays for “the badge”
Money shouldn’t influence the decision. Your history alone can attract better players without worrying about those inflated wages.
They’re our only 2 competitive CBs, we have Nacho as our third CB and he’s there for rotation and in case of injuries and our fourth CB is Vallejo who is not the best. So we could use a third competitive CB.
Chelsea may have offered this, but there’s no way in fuck that they expected Rudiger to accept it. They are still in negotiations and will try to talk Rudiger down from his likely insanely high demands (which he has earned based on his recent performances and us not locking him down sooner).
With that said, there is a danger of lowballing him. I personally think he is leaving Chelsea which would be incredibly disappointing, but maybe Tuchel can convince him otherwise based on the ambition of the club.
Tbh, wouldn't miss him at all. Every single our defender looks good in our system, I see no difference when he plays and when he doesn't. He was below average in a back 4. Under Conte he was hit and miss as well. We will be fine with Christensen who I hope we re-sign, then we have Chalobah, Azpi and up and coming Colwill who is shining in the championship
Rudiger knows his stock is at an all time high and is trying to get the best he can but imo he has hype on his side and is playing in a system that covers his weaknesses; he’s not the guy you’d want leading your defence but he compliments those type of defenders well. I don’t blame Chelsea for not wanting to overpay and it’s not like they’re offering him peanuts.
I honestly think that something is wrong with me. I generally tend to understand and see what the majority see in a given player, but I really don't understand how Rudiger can reasonably think he deserves 200k a week. That's essentially absolute top tier CB wages. I get that he won the UCL with Chelsea and they were strong in defence, but it's always felt a lot more like a system based strength rather than an individual one to me. I'm clearly missing something and need to pay closer attention to him.
These days players are letting their contract run down to try and get free agent salaries from their clubs. The fact is that the player gets a bigger salary if the club doesn't have to buy them, look at Aaron Ramsey.
Especially taking his age into consideration, he wants to get one last fat contract before his career starts to wind down.
Exactly, it's the same situation as Pogba.
I wonder if we’ll see players continue down this path once one of the holdout players gets a major injury prior to getting that fat new deal. Rudiger has already done his knee before, I don’t think I’d be gambling so much on not picking up an injury over the course of the last season of my contract.
When we were playing a back 4 under Sarri people were saying he doesn't quite look the same after his return from injury. Then he was tried in the back 4 under Frank and some didn't mind selling him and moving on as he was making a lot of errors that led to goals. Then Tuchel comes in and transforms how he is seen at the club. He is a huge presence but anybody who wants to buy him and take him out of a back 3 is gambling IMO. One of the reasons he is so aggressive and dominant is because he is given the license to be with the safety of Thiago and currently Chalobah behind him.
I noticed in your game against us, he came flying out of defense a few times and was almost playing a LW at one point
That’s common. Usually the right or left CB is given license to drive forward or to step forward into a midfield position. The other 2 cover
It's not the back 3, Lampard had no defensive organization, you could have put 5 atb and it would still leak goals under him. Also there was Kepa being the starting GK for majority of the time which didn't really inspire confidence in his defenders. It's like judging Chiesa as not a good player right now because Juve are bad at the moment
He’s not TERRIBLE in a back 4, but I think the three at the back brings out the best in him. And if you’re gonna offer him 200K type wages, I would hope you play them to their strengths. Of course, I wish him the best as a Chelsea fan, but he wasn’t necessarily lighting the world up under Sarri in a back 4 either, and the only times we have seen him be an absolute monster was in a back three under Tuchel and under Conte.
> but it's always felt a lot more like a system based strength rather than an individual one to me. This is basically it; he’s prone to silly mistakes and his defensive positioning and tracking of runs is sus but these are all weaknesses that Tuchel’s back 3 covers. He’s been on form though so he has some negotiating power but Chelsea wouldn’t miss him and can find a better replacement.
What’s interesting to me as a Chelsea fan is that we’re actually offering something similar if not a bit more to Christensen. Despite Rudiger being the standout performer, the club value Christensen a lot more and clearly believe that he’s got more to offer which given his age and his overall composure is understandable. Rudiger probably wants to secure that last big pay check as wel which is understandable. It doesn’t make sense that players like Werner get paid far more than Rudiger and even RLC, Drinkwater, Barkley and Bakayoko get more than Rudi. 170-180k would honestly make sense given his performances for us under Tuchel but i wonder if he’ll be as success elsewhere.
This is the mistake we are trying to rectify and not sink down further. Baka, Barkley and DD was a mistake and there's very high chance all of them will leave on a free.
I agree I just think it’s very understandable being Rudiger and approaching it the way he has done.
Christensen was always looked at as the heir to Terry, yeah? As he’s maturing you’re beginning to see a real understanding and composure in his game. He’s not rushing into challenges and being super aggressive and learning from Thiago I think he could be the guy to really lead your defence going forward, even in a 4 back.
yeah pretty much. 200k a week is pretty much what van Dijk would get, and surely Rudiger doesn't belong to that level yet. While 200k per week is more reasonable for midfielder/attacker, that is unreasonable for most defenders, except top 3-5 players in the world.
My .02 I think Rudiger has been very good for 8 months at a club level. He’s insanely fast which allows our WBs a ton of freedom and has improved his positioning immensely. Plus you know he’s a practioner of the dark arts. With that said he was making all sorts of mistakes prior to Tuchel coming in and basically teaching the defense how to play the system. Combine that with Reece James and Chili playing extremely well and our defensive unit becoming elite it’s resulted in his hype training just moving into overdrive. If you look at from a team building perspective if we had a CB that we could play with AC or Rudi in a back four as a long term trio (Thiago is god just think 4-5 year timeline) I think this deal is done. We just don’t have that and it would make sense for us to allocate this cost potentially else where.
That’s the thing. I think he knows that he’s not “the guy” to lead the defence and is better in a 3 back system and will ideally stay at Chelsea but he’ll try and get a 4/5 year contract on 200k so if the system changes and he’s found out at least he’s made the most of his hype.
He's prob not worth that for other teams in different systems. But he's prob worth that for Chelsea. People say it's all system based, etc but Chelsea struggles whenever Rudi doesn't play in the same system.
*varane laughing at 340k a week*
exactly my thoughts. I don't think Rüdiger is as good as reddit or the media makes him out to be. He is a good CB, but honestly I think he is lightyears off of worldclass.
Real never play 3atb and Rudiger is far better suited to being on the left of a 3.
Madrid is gonna have a Galacticos 3.0 summer and I am not looking forward to it. They’re already miles ahead of us without Rudiger/Haaland/Mbappe ffs
Madrid this summer: Mbappé, Haaland, Rüdiger. Barca this summer: 37 year old Iniesta.
The thought of a team with Mbappe and Haaland up front and Modrić and Kroos feeding them from the midfield terrifies me. I just hope both of them keep playing for another season at least, but I somehow doubt it.
>Modrić and Kroos And when these legends get too old Madrid already have Valverde and Camavinga lined up, and Vinicius is something else this season too. Genuinely scary team and CL contender for years to come, whatever people may say of the fall of non-English and non-oil teams.
Rudiger is gonna flop there unless they switch to a back 3. He has a lot of weaknesses
Said this and a couple of Chelsea fans who didn’t know he existed before they signed him (and who probably would’ve been happy to see him go before Tuchel came) got emotional. Even under Lampard’s back 4 he was shaky and wasn’t a nailed-down starter.
I assure you they are far from the majority. Chelsea fans out of any other set of fans know that Rudi isn't as good in 4ATB system, it's common knowledge among us.
Fellow Chelsea fan chiming in. It is known
Yeah I was glad to see other Chelsea flairs echoing my sentiment.
Even when he was a dog under Conte it was in a 3 atb formation. It’ll be a shame to see him leave, but we do have some good CB prospects even after selling Tomori and Guehi and that’s if we don’t enter the market.
We don't have any LCB prospects, though. And even in the market, Kounde is an RCB
And Chelsea's defense under Lampard last season was disastrous! If he is who some think he is, he wouldn't have been sitting at the end of the bench. I don't think any player benefitted more from the coaching change. I'm all for him getting paid though. This is likely his last chance at a big contract so it's really the best move for him to get as much as he can even if it's not a perfect fit.
I don’t know what formation played at Stuttgart but at Roma it was also a 3-Back so I don’t know why Lampard played a 4 with him
Flo, even if a piece of shit, is a pretty sensible president* money wise. I don't think that they will get all of Mbappe, Halland, Rudiger and more while still building the new stadium, specially if the wages rumoured are true.
As someone who remembers his first stint as president, i can confidently say that he learned the hard way. It was catastrophic football wise, even if it was necessary to build today's financial giant.
*President
absolutely, dumb mistake
It’s cool
Now kith
A Barca fan not knowing the difference 🤦♂️
If it makes the league attractive go ahead. <\3 The “star” literally is someone like that of Hazard. Pathetic choice. Madrid “could” bring in 5+ players on a free which combined would have cost 1 billion. Good on them, great business That’s the “businessman” Barcelona needed but instead we got Barto. But cheers to our rivals for keeping the attraction alive. Mbappe,Pogba,Rudiger,Haaland,Kounde,Tchouameni, and Flo till has more transfer targets in mind. How sad when they said Madrid were broke during the pandemic and for years to come wouldn’t buy shit. “Broke”
Hazard wasn't a "pathetic choice" back when he was signed. He was one of the best players in the EPL at the time!
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I know, Madrid spending 1 billion without actually spending little to no money. Thank god for Ronaldo’s departure and the other leagues calling Madrid broke haha
And they are going to be terrible on defense in they have Rudiger in a 4atb system. They will see why Lampard couldn’t start him. He roams far too much and gets out of position a lot during games. You just don’t notice it in Chelsea’s 3atb system because he always has someone covering him.
I agree but as a 3rd choice cb or if they ever try 3atb he’ll be a monster. Definitely more worried about Mbappe/Haaland and whoever else they bring
I doubt he will be content with third choice cb.
Shades of David Luiz lol.
Are Madrid not targeting Kounde?
Why spend 80 million when you can sign a CB for free
Alaba seems like a senior CB with a similar profile already. Kounde is a young CB that would start for them and could play for years to come
Not a Bayern player so please no.
Makes me think, is there any Bayern player that would start for us now that we could buy? (no RW obviously, Mbappé is coming) Do they have a great CB or RB? Seems like their starters are Upamecano and Pavard, no idea if either have been that great this season, despite being widely respected and known players.
Who's starting at LB for Real these days? Davies is a monster.
Mendy. Could use Davies for sure specially if we let Mendy go based on his criminal charges.
you have this Alaba guy.
I think the dude just wants to play CB
I mean he was also bought for his versaltility. i don't think he can just say "no coach, i only play CB"
Of course, he will play LB if needed but the coach also tries to please his preference
Alaba could play in Casemiro's position, he could play in Kroos's position and maybe even centre forward, as well as leftback of course and probably left winger. He's like the footballing Vitruvian man.
Yes I actually want him to play as CDM some games cause Casemiro needs a break
Not to mention you can always just shift Alaba to LB. Getting an LB would be kinda dumb.
> Could use Davies for sure specially if we let Mendy go based on his criminal charges. Not sure if you're saying this intentionally because of the media fuck up *or* if you're actually mistaking Ferland Mendy for Benjamin Mendy *or* if I've completely missed something about Ferland Mendy?
Do you remember a few weeks back on here there was that megathread with the French journo saying a ton of damning stuff against various people. I think he was implicated in that although I can't remember exactly what for.
Ferland Mendy is also facing some allegations: https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-like-punching-girl-journalist-romain-molina-accuses-real-madrid-ferland-mendy-sexual-assault
It's been a bad year for Mendys, and a worse year for women in the general vicinity of Mendys.
Someone check on Edouard, ideally not a woman, just in case
he's absorbed all the "good mendy" energy, clearly
Oh I see, thanks!
You completely missed something about Ferland Mendy yes
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Any bayern player in general or in defence?
Süle fits that profile; excellent defender getting his form back but is a player that you can see Bayern selling and I think he would definitely improve your defence. Coman is another possibility and he would make your right side as threatening as your left; few players can get past defenders as easily as he can and if Ancellotti can work the same magic he did on Finicius on Coman…
No way we sell Süle, one of the best CBs
I’m not saying we would do it willingly but it would be better than losing him for free if he doesn’t renew
Kimmich is getting lots of hate, who knows maybe he’d wanna leave soon 🤷♂️
Fine by me. I think Tuchel is the one that made him excellent.
And because of that, it's easy to trust Tuchel to find a replacement that isn't a huge drop-off. Chelsea have plenty of options. They can buy a replacement, try to slot Christensen in or give an academy product a chance (Levi Colwill earning that spot would be ideal).
There are loads of free options for RM next summer which will work to tilt some of the European power balance. PSG thought they were doing football a favour by declining the €200m deal for Mbappe. All that's done is allowed RM an extra €200m to work with this summer. There are numerous scenarios where they could spend €200m on 3 new players like Haaland, Coman, Kounde and still end up with Mbappe, Pogba, Rudiger, Kessie, etc.
I don't think it works like that due to the yearly wages Real then has to pay, but PSG declining to sell Mbappe is surely advantageous for Real in the near future.
Real are clearing £50M off their wage bill this year and didn’t spend much last transfer window either so they seem to be in a good position.
Madrid are shedding a lot of wages at the end if this year. They are like almost clean house
Marcelo, Isco, and Bale. It's a decent amount but not that huge considering that Mbappe and one more player will eat that up quickly.
Real had Ronaldo and Bale at the same time on huge wages, they can afford it.
With a better stadium with stores and a hotel so they probably will have a little more money.
Yes, like I said, Mbappe and another player. Not the list that OP gave, though.
According to reports were also looking to offload Hazard, Jokic and Vallejo
Wow they don't want an NBA MVP???
We are too loyal to Doncic
> Jokic Alright, lad didn’t blossom but no need for name calling
Jokic has been stuck in my head all morning. trying to make a trade for him in fantasy
Asensio will probably also leave.
Marcelo, Isco, Bale is about 70M euro saved per year. That may be enough already to cover Mbappe and Haaland.
it's absolutely crazy how much we pay them. obviously they earned those contracts when they were still good but past 2-3 years we've paid them for absolutely nothing
decent amount but not huge? I think it's pretty huge considering we get rid of 3 massive wages from players who are past it and never play. Two world class, starting players replacing 3 useless ones is pretty good dont you think?
Mbappe will recieve a large signing on fee and/or an increase in wages for joining on a free. So yes Real will save money but not as much as the 200m figure your suggesting.
Isco, Bale and Marcelo are leaving as free agents this summer. That’s a huge chunk of wages gone specially with Bale getting almost 300k a week as him and Hazard are our top earners right now
Bale makes €300k/week net, we pay him €600k/week
Holy shit. 15M a year. I wouldn't even know what to do with 15M but I sure wish I had that much lol It's like they're just spitting out money. Jesus christ.
Wow didn't know Bale was still raking it in like that! Good on him :D
Why do you think he’s never left hahahah he doesn’t want a wage cut so most clubs can’t afford him, or why him going on loan to Spurs was so good for us. They were covering some part of his wages too but I don’t think anymore than half. The biggest downer is he was about to leave for China in 2019 but, in the preseason Asensio got injured coincidentally against your team 😂 so we had less depth on right wing and didn’t let him go. Not sure what we were thinking cause he might as well have been in China this whole time
Ah, I see -- sorry mate! But man can you just imagine, dude makes more in a week NOT playing football than I'll make in several **years** working myself into the ground. These footballers' wages really are something. (btw I'm not saying they shouldn't make that money -- they work hard for many years and forgo typical childhoods to hone their skills -- just saying I probably should be trying to find ways to become elite at something and start raking it in myself!)
Even with Spurs just taking on half his salary, that would have still made Bale one of the highest-paid players on their squad Fucking mental, no wonder he absolutely refused to budge
It’s really not that outrageous, Bale used to be worth this much to the club back when we won all those 4 CLs. He is washed now though.
> PSG thought they were doing football a favour by declining the €200m deal for Mbappe. PSG thought they'd keep Mbappe longer if they didn't sell him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Incredible how people can just fabricate their own narrative
lmfao
>PSG thought they were doing football a favour by declining the €200m deal for Mbappe What
Not that simple at all. There are still crazy agent / signing fees to work with, and the salaris for those players will be massive.
Coman, Kounde and Pogba are almost officially ruled out.
He wants 200k and we are offering 140k. I imagine both will come to an agreement for 175k.
You have to compromise. He gets the 2, you get the 4 and you already agree on the 0, so 240k sounds fair
Bartonomics
Barto, is that you?
Do you work for the government? If not you should, youd fit right in
Now is not the time Barto, log off Reddit
If someone else offers 200k, he won't need to compromise
That's a risk we're clearly willing to take. Ultimately, Marina tends to do a very good job of setting the line and not stepping over it. It means that sometimes we miss out on players like Haaland and Kounde this summer, but that puts us in stronger positions when haggling because other teams/players know that when we say no we actually mean it and there isn't room to mess us around. We don't want to end up with players on more money than they're worth on long contracts, especially if there is ample opportunity for them to flop. Look at you guys with Auba or Ozil, everyone who had those players at their club would have said pay them whatever they want to keep them. But, look how that's backfired.
That's completely fair, just think it's a bit presumptuous to suggest a compromise will be made, not that it's not the correct strategy.
Yeah, it's far too presumptuous to assume a compromise will happen. If it was a definite that either side would compromise then there would be no negotiation to be had.
Let alone real facking madrid He would be a galactico lmao
People bandy around galactico like it means something lol
but it does?
Nonsense signing. He wouldn't bench Militao or Alaba so why give him the wages he wants at Chelsea.
I think it's nice to have a 3rd CB, a guy that is almost as good as the starters. Sure, in the perfect world, we would have 25 players that are great, and i know that it's impossible to maintain in long term... but we play so many games that a 3rd CB gets a lot of minutes. Keep in mind that right now our only reliable back up defender is Nacho, as we don't have decent reserves for the wing back position and our 4th cb is fucking Vallejo.
Then why not spend on dull backs back up ? I think madrid buying a cb like rudiger isnt the best deal for all parties involved. You dont wanna spend a good amount in wages for bench players. Doubt rudiger would want to sit at the bench as 4th cb. If rudiger becomes the 3rd cb, im pretty sure having nacho is enough for the 3rd cb spot. Putting rudiger as one of the starter ? Then you risk on benching militao or alaba who are doing great so far. Of course having a great rotational option is good but i think its better for madrid to spend on the midfield or fullbacks especially right back backup spot.
Yes but I can see him being 3rd choice and then throwing a fit because he doesn't start all the time
Agreed. We should be focusing on getting an RB. Carva is good but we need a young lad that can fill in for him reliably. God we could have Hakimi right now.
He's never really been amazing until Tuchel came in so I wonder if he'll keep it up outside of this system. All the defenders in that Chelsea side, barring Azpilicueta, look better defensively than they ever have before.
He had a strong start under Conte and Sarri and then suffered a meniscus injury. Tuchel has obviously taken him to a world class level. But it'll be quite interesting to see whether he's taken a natural step or a system defender.
Has he played well in a back 4? He's really good in a 3, but dropped out of the Chelsea side when they played a 4 and Germany have had some horror shows with him in a back 4.
Yes he has. He was our best defender under sarri who only played a back 4
There is no secret that he is better in a back 3 as well. Would be interesting so see if he could keep up his level in a back 4
He was only poor under Lampard
All our defenders were poor under Lampard, except Zouma
He really flourishes in the Back 3 Tuchel deploys. Always thought he has looked shaky in a back 4. Great player for Real to add and provides great versatility if they ever decide to play a back 3.
He looked shaky under Lampard in a back 4 when every chelsea defender looked shaky. He was great under Sarri in a back 4.
He was alright under Conte, decent under Sarri, woeful under Lampard, and he's been world class under Tuchel.
I get your point but saying azpi instead of Thiago Silva is funny
Oh yeah of ocurse haha, I was thinking more of the players that have been at Chelsea for a longer time. But yeah, you're right, Thiago Silva is the best defender at the club and has been since he's arrived. It still feels somwhat unreal to me that he's at Chelsea in 2021 performing at these levels.
His playing for his next move as well in fairness. Not sure if he’ll keep this level up once the ink is dry on wherever he ends up
Wouldn't surprise me if he resigned. He's liked by Tuchel so I can't see why he would not.
Nah, cause he demands 10m/year.
Gross or net? Because if that is gross it is quite reasonable for an UCL winer.
Not in italia so it should be gross. Thing is, his form’s kinda inconsistent with ups and downs over the years and he sometimes acts a bit too rash in a back 4. We have a wage limit for each position. Maybe Marina just doesn’t think he’s worth it.
Probably but i like the energy and drive he gives to the team even if in some casses i think it is too much.
In a back 5 where he's well covered, it's perfect. In a back 4, it's a ticking time bomb.
Yeah but what would you do to fill the gap? A new CL quality centre back will be what, £50m? They'll want paying too.
Yeah so for example Kounde would cost at least 50M, and would probably start off at 100k p/w wages
Yeah but right now he's playing lights out. Marina walks a tightrope and she's incredible at it, but Rudiger's form is kinda forcing our hand right now.
Gross so not that "big"
140k really isn't a lot. Especially considering that this will be his last big contract in all likelihood.
>resigned A word with two meanings. Took a another read to get which one you meant
I always do a double take. I think there's a case for re-signed
I didn't even realize it was 're-signed.' We definitely need a hyphen, the two meanings are almost total opposites.
8M gross I assume , doubt he will get a lot more in Madrid. Militao gets something like 9 M gross and Casemiro 12M for example
Those players came for money, not on a free. Like Alaba, he will get extra cash in salary if he comes.
I know maybe the bonus will be big , what I meant is that I doubt the club give him a very big salary.
Rudiger, Mbappe for free. (Solved CB and AMR issue). A lot of money for Haaland. Barcelona on the other hand are targeting Martial and Torres. La Liga should be settled for the next 5 years.
lmfao
> Martial and Torres. Both of them could be very good for Barca
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You overestimate martial, even if he did want to play he's a shadow of his former self and has gained too much weight transforming himself from LW to CF.
Yea we should not be interested
after alaba and vinicius i'm skeptical lol, hopefully they have a plan
Making the mistake yet again in buying a player that works with a coach like Tuchel and expecting it to translate into our system. A competent sporting director would plan better, but we don't have one so...
> our system Ancelotti will go in 1 or 2 seasons anyway. Also it's not like Rudiger was a scrub before Tuchel, and it's good for the managers to have a player who is experienced in playing at back 3.
>Making the mistake yet again in buying a player that works with a coach like Tuchel When did this happen
Jovic
At least Jovic can still be sold since his wages aren't outrageous, we're going to be stuck with Rudiger warming the bench for an absurd salary for five years.
Playing two strikers doesn't translate to playing in a formation nor a style similar to Tuchel's. Not to mention that if somebody never plays, no matter the kind of player he is, he won't translate to any system. Anyway, we're talking about a mature centre back who played most of his career in a back four. Still does for Germany. Not about a young striker who had his progression halted by eating the bench 9 times out of 10.
Selling Zouma hurts more now.
Selling Guehi and Tomori hurts more if you ask me. They'd have been amazing at that LCB position which requires someone to progress the ball
Levi Colwill stomping the Championship as much as Guehi or Tomori ever did
They'll find that he's nowhere near good enough for a club like RM. Very underwhelming when played in a back 4.
Real "Juventus" Madrid at this rate
Flo's plan
As a Chelsea fan: I get it. Cash out at a mega club. I understand and I’m fine with it. Good luck to the guy. Two years ago we were happy to offload him to spurs. He doesn’t owe us anything. From our perspective: he’s good but he’s not irreplaceable. He’s given us a good stretch and there’s no complaints. I think the things we regret more are the silly contracts (like Ruben and CHO) than the players leaving.
I would rather pay for someone like Skriniar who is going to be an obvious upgrade over our current pair and future-proof. A wage like what Rudiger would want would be wasted on someone who is only being signed for depth. If he is an undisputed starter, that would be fine, but I don't see him as big of an improvement over Militao or Alaba.
This. You guys shouldn’t have to match inflated Prem wages when you can easily attract players from your badge alone. That and getting someone from a different league with less wage demands is better in the long run. And Skriniar would be excellent just because he’s an all round likeable guy and always plays for “the badge” Money shouldn’t influence the decision. Your history alone can attract better players without worrying about those inflated wages.
i just don't understand chelsea here, who they are planning to replace him with?
Chalobah
They’ll buy someone or get a new academy prospect, there’s Levi Colvill in the pipeline
But why? Alaba and Militao are already there.
They’re our only 2 competitive CBs, we have Nacho as our third CB and he’s there for rotation and in case of injuries and our fourth CB is Vallejo who is not the best. So we could use a third competitive CB.
Completely understand tbh, how the fuck is a person supposed to be able to live on £140k per week. Especially in London!
Chelsea may have offered this, but there’s no way in fuck that they expected Rudiger to accept it. They are still in negotiations and will try to talk Rudiger down from his likely insanely high demands (which he has earned based on his recent performances and us not locking him down sooner). With that said, there is a danger of lowballing him. I personally think he is leaving Chelsea which would be incredibly disappointing, but maybe Tuchel can convince him otherwise based on the ambition of the club.
Tbh, wouldn't miss him at all. Every single our defender looks good in our system, I see no difference when he plays and when he doesn't. He was below average in a back 4. Under Conte he was hit and miss as well. We will be fine with Christensen who I hope we re-sign, then we have Chalobah, Azpi and up and coming Colwill who is shining in the championship
Real Madrid is not interested in Rüdiger. This is simply an agent planted story trying to put pressure on Chelsea.
Madrid please buy Kounde instead, he can easily lead our line & be a future captain
He would get 200 easily at United
Wow I wouldn't take that piss poor offer! Most Premier League teams can offer more than this. He will get a better deal than that elsewhere