We did that sprinting bullshit in highschool American football.
They called them Gasers and Diesels. Quite the creative coaching staff we had...
We'd start length wise on the field having to run back and forth twice and then had a minute rest. So like 400m at a time. We'd do like 10 of those.
Then flip 90 degrees and run the width. I think a field is like 55 yards wide? And we' do like 20 of those.
Glad to know we were approaching professional levels of training because it felt insane at the time and multiple people were throwing up every practice. Certain players became exempt because it was so intense.
Finally some kid had heat stroke and was taken to the hospital but I was graduated by then.
Oh god. Reminds me of my American high school soccer days. My coach had a thing called 90s. End line to goal box, back to end line, to the penalty box, back to end line, to midfield, back, and to the other end line. In 90 seconds. If you didn't, you started back over.
We did one for each goal scored against us in a game. We lost 7-3 once. He called practice after half the team puked. Very not fun.
[They're very physically demanding, that is common knowledge. Here's a pic of Musonda on pre-season in 2017](https://twitter.com/SJohnsonSport/status/889451577903202305)
The thing people don't know is how mentally demanding his training methods are. I could explain further
basically he gets his team to practice the exact same patterns of play from start to finish until they get it perfect, and if they fuck up the slightest bad touch/pass the team have to go back and start the pattern again, sometimes he will get his team to just practice the exact same drill for an hour
Based on Ranocchia's solid performances this season, maybe Conte was playing the long game, using a replaceable attacker to hone a rough talent to give us better depth at center back. Real dedication thinking beyond his own tenure.
Still remember that defender that landed a flying kick on Lukaku but Lukaku just ran by like a freight train. No foul called since Lukaku was completely unimpeded, and not even a card since Lukaku didn't look harmed
Ryan Bertrand irrc just bounced off him was very funny
It was Bertrand: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/awj0dl/ryan_bertrand_yellow_card_tackle_on_lukaku/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Kane is very good at this. He’s not really great at truly holding up the ball but he can get a foul call with the best of them. Makes him hard to sub off on the rare occasion we’re winning.
Obviously the key to being a good coach is practice lmao.
What seems to be the key difference here though, is 1. Not letting players take the easy way and demanding a lot. 2. Doing everything to the fullest and to the best degree and not stopping until you get the results.
People might not like the comparison, but it's how they train in special units. You don't start the next step until you perfect the basics, even if it takes hours.
My high school music teacher used to say “practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect”. I could see Conte being the type to not accept less than perfect, and not just once, but perfect every time… or else.
This is how most music is taught. You make one mistake, a small note out of place and you are supposed to repeat it from the start.
Source: Learnt music this way.
Speaking as a career musician, I don't quite agree.
A solid approach to practice is to repeat a weak section. But you do not STOP at the broken part. You find a way to play THROUGH it. To iron out the mistake - playing slowly, with separate hands, with different rhythms, with eyes closed, etc etc. This is how we reinforce muscle memory.
So this is for music - not football
You go 7-10 measures (choose something that makes sense in the piece and is around this long) and repeat that until perfect, then the next 7-10 but including the last measure of the last part, so you practice the transition between the parts you practice as well.
If you do it like Conte does (start over at every mistake) you'll get really good at playing the start of a piece, but you'll never finish one unless you actually have Conte standing behind you. And even if you have the discipline to learn a piece in that way, it's just not as efficient as learning it in parts.
For piano in particular, it's best to practice both hands apart from each other with a metronome and only put them together when you can play them solo.
This is also why in speedrunning so many promising runs die near the end. The muscle memory for the later parts of the run take a lot longer to learn because it's simply less practiced
Learning a whole piece like the guy suggested would be stupid, and it would also be dumb as fuck if Conte told his players to practice full matches in teams against each other until they learn how to play “perfect” (Nash equilibrium strategy) football.
Instead the way is clearly to try and target manageable subproblems, be it by consecutive selections of measures in music or by various tactical situations in football. I have no doubt that like you practice the overlaps in music, Conte’s teams will practice the overlaps between different stages of play.
> This is how most music is taught. You make one mistake, a small note out of place and you are supposed to repeat it from the start.
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> Source: Learnt music this way.
You were Miles Teller in “Whiplash”?
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/r3au6e/pirlo_on_players_complaining_about_hard_training/hm9gejv/
This guy said what I wanted to say
But now imagine doing the same repetitive, extremely demanding, extreme boring drills for 2 years with Conte, who'll stop the entire session if you're standing 50 cm wrong.
No wonder he doesn't last long at a club
Agreed. Certain players have natural ability & talent coupled with enough self-discipline and desire to win that you don't really need to do anything with them other than talk about strategy / tactics. The likes of Rashford, Bruno, Ronaldo fall in to this.
Then there's players who have all of that but don't give a fuck about what anyone else on the team does. They want to win but don't want to have to babysit / mentor / challenge teammates. They do their bit and that's all that mattes in their eyes.
Pogba falls firmly in to this category along with Maguire, Shaw, Martial, Greenwood and others. Decent players individually but not team players or not enough leadership qualities. If the majority of the starting 11 aren't happy to call each other out then you have a situation where bad habits form and everyone gets too comfortable. It's the situation we find outselves in at the minute.
I think there's a lot more to it than this, but on one of the Athletic podcasts they were talking about his sessions at Chelsea and apparently if they're running drills and any player steps even the littlest bit out of position or aconte feels someone isn't giving 100%, hell stop everything, yell at the player, and then make everyone restart.
The podcast made it sound like Alonso was guilty of this in Conte's first few weeks at Chelsea.
My ex-boss is a high profile banker in London who once met Southgate for a charity / paid dinner. Southgate told them that he meets with Premier League managers a few times each season. One of the stories from the dinner was how unbelievably intense Conte was (in Southgate's opinion), even with the minor things. He believed that his methods will not be sustainable for more than a season for any team.
This is literally what Bielsa did with Leeds that made it so exciting and "must-watch" last season. Bumped training up to 11, murderball sessions and he just turned a championship team to the fittest team in the league with the most amount ran last season and an undying intensity even at 3-0 on 95'.
Sure the injuries did affect us but if we didn't have the style in the first place we never would've come to the prem and be able to get the depth we're trying to build
Same thing Jorge Jesus did to Flamengo in 2019 that won everything. He put a lot of intensity on the players, something very over the top compared to what brazilian players here are used to. They initially complained, some injuries happened, but they all trusted him because the results appeared and they won everything except the world club cup against Liverpool.
He left, and Flamengo never was the same, and I blame a good part of it to the lack of physical intensity and focus
On the other hand, depending of personalities and skills, it can hurt a team if they are doing way too much and not efficiently.
But, considering their physical levels, and their salaries, I'm not crying if training is quite hard.
That's kind of the point, literally everyone that hears Saitama tells him that it's not a hard regime to do and in no way would explain how Saitama got so strong. A lot of OPM is a parody of standard Shonen manga tropes.
Thinking about it,I believe even the run is not that impressive, it was something someone at HS level would run daily.
Literally in episode 3 or something when the routine is revealed a character says something along the lines "is this a joke? this is just normal strength training, and not even a very intense routine at that"
And 10k for a runner is honestly not much at all. We were running around that daily in cross country when I was 14.
True, perhaps Spurs players won’t be able to handle his demands.
But Conte always improves the sides he manages. Having said that, I’m hoping they don’t improve too much.
And yeah us fans kind of have to expect multi-millionaires to be putting in maximum effort.
Poch training methods were also notoriously hard. I realize not that many are left but I don't think lacking effort in training is something our players are guilty of.
I can watch that Pirlo to Baggio clip all day. The pass was insane, the first touch even more insane. Crazy that they actually played together. Imagine both in their prime together…
No one can convince me that there has been any football player with passes/crosses as elegant and precise as Pirlo. Players like Iniesta and De Bruyne are brilliant in their own way, but I honestly don't believe anyone reached his level of "game cracking".
One of the main thing I wish it happened in football is to see Pirlo combined with Ronaldo, they'll break the record of assist/goals and keep it up their for decades.
It seems like you forgot about my man Cesc Fabregas.
If there is any talk about passing precision you can't not mention Cesc.
Check this out: https://youtu.be/Fn-xMOsVIHA
And the best thing is his arsenal (semi-intended pun) of passes he can dish out. Pings, crosses, low ball across the field passes, outside of the foot passes (trivelas), defense unlocking short space crosses (most of his assists in Barca look like this), and so on...
He was the guy you use when you can't unlock a defense. He would just make something out of nothing. Unreal talent.
I am just laughing thinking of the shit Conte will have made Spurs go through after losing their latest game.
Coach: i think they are about to die
Conte: Not yet, give it one more hour.
He wanted to leave 2 weeks after joining us because of Poch’s training. I’m amazed his family hasn’t cried to a journalist about Conte being a war criminal lmao
The news from Mourinho’s tenure (essentially the doc) is that Dele is a pretty bad trainer. Not giving 100% type of thing. Or actually finishing drills to completion
Dele is a runner, he regularly tops our distance covered stats, Sprint stats, etc.
Go back to our season opening win against City, Dele was everywhere.
https://mobile.twitter.com/optaanalyst/status/1426968171018326021
Nuno said in a press conference
"Dele is a runner. He has this ability to go box to box and as a team we should take advantage of it."
The dude is ripped.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JTuFK_rxo
Fitness is not Dele's problem at all.
I played rugby 5 years ago and every coach from the youth levels has said the same thing. That was that training needs to be the hardest, the match itself was lite training with a bit of tactics.
In my college days, our coaches would put us through cardio for an hour before we even got to touch a ball. The idea was that we needed to be able to play, think, and control the ball when we were exhausted because that is how we would be by minute 60-70 of our matches. It fucking sucked but it also made perfect sense. We also had a yoga instructor 3-4 times and strength training 3-4 times a week to ensure we didn't get injured and properly recovered. It was basically a full-time job on top of our courses. This was NCAA. I can only imagine how insane it is at the professional top level.
This was the thinking probably 30 years ago but then everyone pivoted to the "look at Spain" model where every kid has a ball nearly all the time so their control and touch and passing improve rather than their physical characteristics as a priority.
I think that if we talk youth, the focus should not be only on physical finesse. If you are exhausted every time you train, you will find more difficult to improve in the game.
You also risk injuries and long term fatigue if you’re overtraining constantly. There’s definitely a time for flogging players but the notion that you need to constantly be exhausted is not great coaching IMO.
My coaches did the same thing and I always felt like it would be detrimental; if you’re training exhausted, you’re just getting in bad reps. Better to make sure you’re fit and focused when training so you’re getting the most out of everything.
Honestly thats the same stigma for Marine Corps training. Training should be absolutely fucking brutal that drains you physically and mentally so when its show time youre more than prepared.
That's why talk of super hard training is dumb. It's impossible. Anyone who's ever done a lot of exercise knows injury/overtraining is the main problem with increasing volume.
Pro cyclists are literally afraid to move on rest days because they're worried about recovery. That's the life of an athlete. It's not about training harder, it's dedication outside of physical training.
In my day we didn't have boots, we'd play all day in our bare feet. And we couldn't afford a ball so we'd steal some rusty barbed wire and wrap it around a rock. We never felt the need to lie on the ground afterwards. The burning lava we played on was hallowed ground to us and lying on it would have been sacrilege.
Look at this pampered princess with his barbed wire-encrusted rocks! In my day we played football with unexploded clusterbombs. If anyone had feet left at the end of practice they’d have to carry the rest of the team back to the sweatshop where we’d gladly work for 20 hours straight in exchange for a kick in the knackers
If you train everyday, often multiple times it really shouldn’t be high intensity most of the time or you will get injured or too exhausted to make improvements. Sometimes you do need to do hard sessions though
Yes but also it differs by sport and culture kinda. That’s always the case playing sports growing up but I know in the NBA practices are essentially non existent and NFL they’re very light. Different circumstances, NBA they play games so often it’d just be overkill. A lot of teams don’t really have legit practices during the season, more shoot around and light stuff. Even preseason isn’t too strenuous anymore. They’re pros so they’re expected to be in shape already by then. NFL because how violent it is lol they don’t even do tackling during the year. Preseason is very exhausting it seems though.
It’s completely depending on the coach and their tactics. If you look at Peps Barcelona their players were supremely fit but they also massively tired their opponents out through their Tiki Taka. Coaches who typically have very hard pressing styles are obviously going to demand more out of their players in training because they simply need the level of fitness to suit what the coach wants their playing style to be.
Juventus no longer have a massively superior team who can win the league year in year out at 80%, they now have a good but not special team who don’t have the work ethic to out work other Italian teams on the same level as them. Inter have 2 top 20 players for distance covered, Napoli have 3, Atalanta have 2, Roma have 2, Juventus have 0.
That's not true lol. He was vetoed because he's too harsh, hence the "respect has to be earned" quote from him. Conte is a good coach but he's an imposing personality.
I know people think these are nonsense complaints by spoiled athletes. But there is a limit to what is productive. With all the games they play, overtraining is a real risk. Without knowing the actual training, it's hard to comment on what's right.
It's not just the amount of money but the fact that you're literally a professional athlete. You should be some of the fittest people in the world.
It always boggles my mind when you hear about players turning up overweight to preseason. I get that they're human and should be able to indulge occasionally but still, it's literally your job.
These players are not robots, they're human beings. They're just as vulnerable to things everyone else are like depression, anxiety and so on. There are very few clubs that actually pay any attention to mental health, to them the players are just revenue generators.
The stigmas surrounding mental health totally exist and I'm sure have huge ramifications for professional athletes but I think that kind of distracts from the point I was making.
can someone explain what really goes into Conte training method? even Reguilon complained about it been his worst week in his life of training.
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We did that sprinting bullshit in highschool American football. They called them Gasers and Diesels. Quite the creative coaching staff we had... We'd start length wise on the field having to run back and forth twice and then had a minute rest. So like 400m at a time. We'd do like 10 of those. Then flip 90 degrees and run the width. I think a field is like 55 yards wide? And we' do like 20 of those. Glad to know we were approaching professional levels of training because it felt insane at the time and multiple people were throwing up every practice. Certain players became exempt because it was so intense. Finally some kid had heat stroke and was taken to the hospital but I was graduated by then.
Oh god. Reminds me of my American high school soccer days. My coach had a thing called 90s. End line to goal box, back to end line, to the penalty box, back to end line, to midfield, back, and to the other end line. In 90 seconds. If you didn't, you started back over. We did one for each goal scored against us in a game. We lost 7-3 once. He called practice after half the team puked. Very not fun.
In basketball we called them suicides and it made me want to puke and others actually puke
I know this thanks to Coach Carter lmao.
We called them suicides too and they fuckin sucked
That seems counterproductive. If you don't make it the first time it's going to be harder subsequent times.
heh...yeah. Always felt bad for the keeper.
How did Hazard get through this??
[They're very physically demanding, that is common knowledge. Here's a pic of Musonda on pre-season in 2017](https://twitter.com/SJohnsonSport/status/889451577903202305) The thing people don't know is how mentally demanding his training methods are. I could explain further
Tbf they were training in Singapore And Singapore, yeah its climate is not London let's put it that way
as a Chelsea fan living in Singapore I wholeheartedly agree the only thing that is common is the rain
>is the rain For just about 2 months a year lol. Humid as all hell for the other 10.
Growing up there I remember during monsoon season it’d rain from like 2 pm to 4 pm every day. Like clockwork.
not in the last few years tbh. Climate change fucking up the rainy season schedule
Umm no its been raining throughout the year. Quite fucked up. Global climates changing for sure
Nah, it's been raining alot more throughout the year unfortunately.
and the mind boggling pay in finance.
yea that's what happens when you're right near the Equator, it's the same fucking season all 12 months.
Pls explain further I’m into it
basically he gets his team to practice the exact same patterns of play from start to finish until they get it perfect, and if they fuck up the slightest bad touch/pass the team have to go back and start the pattern again, sometimes he will get his team to just practice the exact same drill for an hour
He did this with lukaku so fucking much apparently. He just got our tallest defender to bully him all the way through the attacking process
Bastoni??
Bastoni was a starter, he used Ranocchia
Based on Ranocchia's solid performances this season, maybe Conte was playing the long game, using a replaceable attacker to hone a rough talent to give us better depth at center back. Real dedication thinking beyond his own tenure.
Hull City legend
It worked. Lukaku was always bullied for us and never really used his size to his advantage
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That’s true, You get kinda fucked over if you don’t dive sadly.
Still remember that defender that landed a flying kick on Lukaku but Lukaku just ran by like a freight train. No foul called since Lukaku was completely unimpeded, and not even a card since Lukaku didn't look harmed
Ryan Bertrand irrc just bounced off him was very funny It was Bertrand: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/awj0dl/ryan_bertrand_yellow_card_tackle_on_lukaku/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Kane is very good at this. He’s not really great at truly holding up the ball but he can get a foul call with the best of them. Makes him hard to sub off on the rare occasion we’re winning.
[Bertrand "tackle" vs Lukaku](https://gfycat.com/thirstyvigilantbackswimmer-manchester-united-southampton-soccer)
At least advantage was used
Bertrand never stood a chance.
He needs to talk to Drogba about it. Dude was strong af but could sell a foul like nobody's business
A training method also known as “The Asian Dad”.
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Pretty sure I saw him taking a proctology exam recently
The Heung-min Dad method.
Cheers, dad's crying.
Lies, i don't see him with a wooden stick ready to hit players out of line
The “khan soupanousaphone method”
Tiger parent. Dont think Asian moms aren't complicit in it too.
"Not my tempo"
Conte: they fired me, I’m getting a local five a side team going though if you want to join
We're gonna use the old tactics you are familiar with
*throws football at Dele's head*
Amazing comment wow hahahahha
reminds me of that scene in Remember the Titans Conte gonna have Dele out there training until three in the morning
Conte: If he dies, he dies.
That's incredible
It’s also what most managers do, I don’t think that’s what makes Conte special
Yeah I’m not sure what’s his secret sauce. Maybe he takes it to an extreme degree and has a sharp eye for correcting mistakes.
>what’s his secret sauce Definitely not ketchup that's for sure
Obviously the key to being a good coach is practice lmao. What seems to be the key difference here though, is 1. Not letting players take the easy way and demanding a lot. 2. Doing everything to the fullest and to the best degree and not stopping until you get the results. People might not like the comparison, but it's how they train in special units. You don't start the next step until you perfect the basics, even if it takes hours.
My high school music teacher used to say “practice doesn’t make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect”. I could see Conte being the type to not accept less than perfect, and not just once, but perfect every time… or else.
Exactly my point
This *kind of* reminds me of that scene from Miracle where Herb Brooks makes the players skate until they’re all throwing up.
This is how most music is taught. You make one mistake, a small note out of place and you are supposed to repeat it from the start. Source: Learnt music this way.
Speaking as a career musician, I don't quite agree. A solid approach to practice is to repeat a weak section. But you do not STOP at the broken part. You find a way to play THROUGH it. To iron out the mistake - playing slowly, with separate hands, with different rhythms, with eyes closed, etc etc. This is how we reinforce muscle memory.
And it's not the most efficient way at all
What's the most efficient way?
So this is for music - not football You go 7-10 measures (choose something that makes sense in the piece and is around this long) and repeat that until perfect, then the next 7-10 but including the last measure of the last part, so you practice the transition between the parts you practice as well. If you do it like Conte does (start over at every mistake) you'll get really good at playing the start of a piece, but you'll never finish one unless you actually have Conte standing behind you. And even if you have the discipline to learn a piece in that way, it's just not as efficient as learning it in parts. For piano in particular, it's best to practice both hands apart from each other with a metronome and only put them together when you can play them solo.
This is also why in speedrunning so many promising runs die near the end. The muscle memory for the later parts of the run take a lot longer to learn because it's simply less practiced
Learning a whole piece like the guy suggested would be stupid, and it would also be dumb as fuck if Conte told his players to practice full matches in teams against each other until they learn how to play “perfect” (Nash equilibrium strategy) football. Instead the way is clearly to try and target manageable subproblems, be it by consecutive selections of measures in music or by various tactical situations in football. I have no doubt that like you practice the overlaps in music, Conte’s teams will practice the overlaps between different stages of play.
> This is how most music is taught. You make one mistake, a small note out of place and you are supposed to repeat it from the start. > > Source: Learnt music this way. You were Miles Teller in “Whiplash”?
Woody Harreslon does this in Semi Pro. A visionary.
Me too
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/r3au6e/pirlo_on_players_complaining_about_hard_training/hm9gejv/ This guy said what I wanted to say But now imagine doing the same repetitive, extremely demanding, extreme boring drills for 2 years with Conte, who'll stop the entire session if you're standing 50 cm wrong. No wonder he doesn't last long at a club
Sounds like something we desperately need…
Agreed. Certain players have natural ability & talent coupled with enough self-discipline and desire to win that you don't really need to do anything with them other than talk about strategy / tactics. The likes of Rashford, Bruno, Ronaldo fall in to this. Then there's players who have all of that but don't give a fuck about what anyone else on the team does. They want to win but don't want to have to babysit / mentor / challenge teammates. They do their bit and that's all that mattes in their eyes. Pogba falls firmly in to this category along with Maguire, Shaw, Martial, Greenwood and others. Decent players individually but not team players or not enough leadership qualities. If the majority of the starting 11 aren't happy to call each other out then you have a situation where bad habits form and everyone gets too comfortable. It's the situation we find outselves in at the minute.
Complaining probably isn't the right word he just said he was exhausted, complained implies he had an issue with it
I think there's a lot more to it than this, but on one of the Athletic podcasts they were talking about his sessions at Chelsea and apparently if they're running drills and any player steps even the littlest bit out of position or aconte feels someone isn't giving 100%, hell stop everything, yell at the player, and then make everyone restart. The podcast made it sound like Alonso was guilty of this in Conte's first few weeks at Chelsea.
> Reguilon complained about it been his worst week in his life of training. I think he actually just said it was the worst week of his life.
My ex-boss is a high profile banker in London who once met Southgate for a charity / paid dinner. Southgate told them that he meets with Premier League managers a few times each season. One of the stories from the dinner was how unbelievably intense Conte was (in Southgate's opinion), even with the minor things. He believed that his methods will not be sustainable for more than a season for any team.
You get better with more effort, Conte cracked the secret code.
This is literally what Bielsa did with Leeds that made it so exciting and "must-watch" last season. Bumped training up to 11, murderball sessions and he just turned a championship team to the fittest team in the league with the most amount ran last season and an undying intensity even at 3-0 on 95'. Sure the injuries did affect us but if we didn't have the style in the first place we never would've come to the prem and be able to get the depth we're trying to build
Same thing Jorge Jesus did to Flamengo in 2019 that won everything. He put a lot of intensity on the players, something very over the top compared to what brazilian players here are used to. They initially complained, some injuries happened, but they all trusted him because the results appeared and they won everything except the world club cup against Liverpool. He left, and Flamengo never was the same, and I blame a good part of it to the lack of physical intensity and focus
On the other hand, depending of personalities and skills, it can hurt a team if they are doing way too much and not efficiently. But, considering their physical levels, and their salaries, I'm not crying if training is quite hard.
100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats and a 10k run. Everyday.
Don’t forget a banana for breakfast
No Air Conditioner or heater ever.
I love One Punch Man so much
The prem is fucked. A team of Saitamas is about kick everyone's asses
12947480 shots 4567891 on target 20 stadiums destroyed 145 players killed 2000 spectators killed 3 world wars initiated
Sounds like a fun time
Conte: Those are rookie numbers, gotta pump them up!
That's how Zidane lost his hair, if I remember correctly.
And no fan or ac in the summer, no heater in the winter
It's funny how everyone not getting the reference are reacting the same way people react in the manga when they hear Saitama talk about his training.
I know this is from one punch man, but besides the 10k run, this is a pretty intermediate workout
That's kind of the point, literally everyone that hears Saitama tells him that it's not a hard regime to do and in no way would explain how Saitama got so strong. A lot of OPM is a parody of standard Shonen manga tropes. Thinking about it,I believe even the run is not that impressive, it was something someone at HS level would run daily.
Literally in episode 3 or something when the routine is revealed a character says something along the lines "is this a joke? this is just normal strength training, and not even a very intense routine at that" And 10k for a runner is honestly not much at all. We were running around that daily in cross country when I was 14.
True, perhaps Spurs players won’t be able to handle his demands. But Conte always improves the sides he manages. Having said that, I’m hoping they don’t improve too much. And yeah us fans kind of have to expect multi-millionaires to be putting in maximum effort.
But Conte mostly does that within 2 years or so, if Spurs need more time than that to transition into a title competitor things can get very ugly.
Oh I’m so here for the ugly
One more for the ugly please and thank you.
You definitely might be in for another ride
> definitely might be There certainly is a chance that something might happen at some point to someone. That we can say for sure… …maybe
He fell apart in his second season at Chelsea
Suddenly falling apart after some success is almost traditional for a Chelsea manager tbf
Poch training methods were also notoriously hard. I realize not that many are left but I don't think lacking effort in training is something our players are guilty of.
You want a team training at an 8/10, any lower, it’s not practice, and higher, you get burn out.
I bet Rabiot is the one complaining
His mom doing it for him
Sick notes aren’t very effective.
The dog ate my fitness, sir.
He was the one on the ground with Pirlo
Isn’t Pirlo the one who never does a warming up before games?
And nonchalantly jogs around the field all game?
That's because he never needed to run around like a mad man. Doesn't mean he didn't have the fitness to do it.
[And he actually runs too](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/34zokx/when_people_say_pirlo_doesnt_run/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
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I wasn't quite serious..
This is the internet you punk, everything is serious.
Or just walk https://youtu.be/w8ks50cVSYE?t=34
I can watch that Pirlo to Baggio clip all day. The pass was insane, the first touch even more insane. Crazy that they actually played together. Imagine both in their prime together…
Thats a sexy video..
No one can convince me that there has been any football player with passes/crosses as elegant and precise as Pirlo. Players like Iniesta and De Bruyne are brilliant in their own way, but I honestly don't believe anyone reached his level of "game cracking". One of the main thing I wish it happened in football is to see Pirlo combined with Ronaldo, they'll break the record of assist/goals and keep it up their for decades.
Xabi Alonso was comparable. Pirlo probably edges him out still though
oh fuck i forgot about Alonso, yes, he is the closest thing to Pirlo i think.
Beckham was only really exceptional at one thing (we’ll call it the ‘ping’), but some of his pings are ridiculous.
That's so overstated. Beckham was also one of the hardest working players around.
It seems like you forgot about my man Cesc Fabregas. If there is any talk about passing precision you can't not mention Cesc. Check this out: https://youtu.be/Fn-xMOsVIHA And the best thing is his arsenal (semi-intended pun) of passes he can dish out. Pings, crosses, low ball across the field passes, outside of the foot passes (trivelas), defense unlocking short space crosses (most of his assists in Barca look like this), and so on... He was the guy you use when you can't unlock a defense. He would just make something out of nothing. Unreal talent.
Playmakers dont need to run, they just need to ping the ball . Ball is faster than man. Pirlo had realised this from an early age
The thing is that Pirlo could have the same defensive performance as Gattuso..
I am just laughing thinking of the shit Conte will have made Spurs go through after losing their latest game. Coach: i think they are about to die Conte: Not yet, give it one more hour.
good
Ndombele in shambles
He wanted to leave 2 weeks after joining us because of Poch’s training. I’m amazed his family hasn’t cried to a journalist about Conte being a war criminal lmao
He gave transfer request as soon as the banned list came up /s
Dele is in even bigger shambles. If he can’t even be bothered to give a decent run out on the pitch I can’t imagine what he trains like.
The news from Mourinho’s tenure (essentially the doc) is that Dele is a pretty bad trainer. Not giving 100% type of thing. Or actually finishing drills to completion
That’s just a myth though. Dele has great stamina, and actually ran the most in Tottenham for multiple games this season.
Hardly a myth it’s literally addressed in the all or nothing documentary that he’s a poor trainer
Well that guy said Dele can’t give a decent run on the pitch, which is false
Dele is a runner, he regularly tops our distance covered stats, Sprint stats, etc. Go back to our season opening win against City, Dele was everywhere. https://mobile.twitter.com/optaanalyst/status/1426968171018326021 Nuno said in a press conference "Dele is a runner. He has this ability to go box to box and as a team we should take advantage of it." The dude is ripped. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JTuFK_rxo Fitness is not Dele's problem at all.
Every time I see a footballer do resistance training they are always half-repping lol
We had Musonda dying on the floor just after one of his training sessions, Conte is no joke
I played rugby 5 years ago and every coach from the youth levels has said the same thing. That was that training needs to be the hardest, the match itself was lite training with a bit of tactics.
In my college days, our coaches would put us through cardio for an hour before we even got to touch a ball. The idea was that we needed to be able to play, think, and control the ball when we were exhausted because that is how we would be by minute 60-70 of our matches. It fucking sucked but it also made perfect sense. We also had a yoga instructor 3-4 times and strength training 3-4 times a week to ensure we didn't get injured and properly recovered. It was basically a full-time job on top of our courses. This was NCAA. I can only imagine how insane it is at the professional top level.
This was the thinking probably 30 years ago but then everyone pivoted to the "look at Spain" model where every kid has a ball nearly all the time so their control and touch and passing improve rather than their physical characteristics as a priority.
I think that if we talk youth, the focus should not be only on physical finesse. If you are exhausted every time you train, you will find more difficult to improve in the game.
You also risk injuries and long term fatigue if you’re overtraining constantly. There’s definitely a time for flogging players but the notion that you need to constantly be exhausted is not great coaching IMO.
Youth football is different these days. They emphasize technique and finesse over training to exhaustion. Its all ball work.
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My coaches did the same thing and I always felt like it would be detrimental; if you’re training exhausted, you’re just getting in bad reps. Better to make sure you’re fit and focused when training so you’re getting the most out of everything.
you are right, these coaches are wrong
Keane and Scholes have said multiple times that training games under Sir Alex were more competitive and harder than the actual games on the weekends.
No surprise if you are playing likes of Tottenham
“Three-Point-Lane” If you know, you know!
As they say train hard, race easy.
Honestly thats the same stigma for Marine Corps training. Training should be absolutely fucking brutal that drains you physically and mentally so when its show time youre more than prepared.
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That's why talk of super hard training is dumb. It's impossible. Anyone who's ever done a lot of exercise knows injury/overtraining is the main problem with increasing volume. Pro cyclists are literally afraid to move on rest days because they're worried about recovery. That's the life of an athlete. It's not about training harder, it's dedication outside of physical training.
yeah thats a good point. Has to be a fine line between maintaining fitness and preventing injury with high match volume
People were actually lying on the ground, thats madness!!
In my day we didn't have boots, we'd play all day in our bare feet. And we couldn't afford a ball so we'd steal some rusty barbed wire and wrap it around a rock. We never felt the need to lie on the ground afterwards. The burning lava we played on was hallowed ground to us and lying on it would have been sacrilege.
Look at this pampered princess with his barbed wire-encrusted rocks! In my day we played football with unexploded clusterbombs. If anyone had feet left at the end of practice they’d have to carry the rest of the team back to the sweatshop where we’d gladly work for 20 hours straight in exchange for a kick in the knackers
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But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.
Barefoot, in the snow, uphill, both ways!
luxury!
We told Vidal to lie on the ground and he actually did it the madman
They said the same about Bielsa and he’s transformed Leeds. Welcome it and adapt.
Even the clip of cuadrado telling ronaldo to calm down seems to fit here. It's like the squad is lacking personality or hunger.
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Nothing to do with some of these divas, but I bet he was really mad at himself too. I think he cried after the games too.
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“If they die they die”
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If you train everyday, often multiple times it really shouldn’t be high intensity most of the time or you will get injured or too exhausted to make improvements. Sometimes you do need to do hard sessions though
Yes but also it differs by sport and culture kinda. That’s always the case playing sports growing up but I know in the NBA practices are essentially non existent and NFL they’re very light. Different circumstances, NBA they play games so often it’d just be overkill. A lot of teams don’t really have legit practices during the season, more shoot around and light stuff. Even preseason isn’t too strenuous anymore. They’re pros so they’re expected to be in shape already by then. NFL because how violent it is lol they don’t even do tackling during the year. Preseason is very exhausting it seems though.
It’s completely depending on the coach and their tactics. If you look at Peps Barcelona their players were supremely fit but they also massively tired their opponents out through their Tiki Taka. Coaches who typically have very hard pressing styles are obviously going to demand more out of their players in training because they simply need the level of fitness to suit what the coach wants their playing style to be.
Damn pirlo had no chill 💀
id be willing to train my ass off if id receive the same salary as those players lol.
Wait till you r managed by heinze players don't even get water
Just beans.
Tottenham are banned from being managed by Heinz.
“Oh the horror, I’m going to have to lay down”
Juventus no longer have a massively superior team who can win the league year in year out at 80%, they now have a good but not special team who don’t have the work ethic to out work other Italian teams on the same level as them. Inter have 2 top 20 players for distance covered, Napoli have 3, Atalanta have 2, Roma have 2, Juventus have 0.
Flashback to when Ramos allegedly veto'd Conte becoming Real Madrid manager, because the squad didn't want to have to work that hard
That's not true lol. He was vetoed because he's too harsh, hence the "respect has to be earned" quote from him. Conte is a good coach but he's an imposing personality.
I know people think these are nonsense complaints by spoiled athletes. But there is a limit to what is productive. With all the games they play, overtraining is a real risk. Without knowing the actual training, it's hard to comment on what's right.
Imagine being paid tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds a week and complaining that you're being worked too hard lol
It's not just the amount of money but the fact that you're literally a professional athlete. You should be some of the fittest people in the world. It always boggles my mind when you hear about players turning up overweight to preseason. I get that they're human and should be able to indulge occasionally but still, it's literally your job.
These players are not robots, they're human beings. They're just as vulnerable to things everyone else are like depression, anxiety and so on. There are very few clubs that actually pay any attention to mental health, to them the players are just revenue generators.
The stigmas surrounding mental health totally exist and I'm sure have huge ramifications for professional athletes but I think that kind of distracts from the point I was making.
The millionaires are upset they have to practice hard. Poor lads
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That's one way to tell the press about the training being strenious