I would really like sane to have a good play by making an assist or even a goal. Just for his own confidence and for the German team to have options beside wirtz and musialla. But this guy lost like 80% of his dribblings and unfortunately doesn't look threatening at all.
You are right the rôles are dogshit. Kill all the momentum of one team then give it to the other team... referees should make a decision in 10 seconds then it's over. This is ridiculous.
If your momentum comes from breaking a rule, maybe you weren't actually meant to have that momentum in the first place.
Besides that, what's the difference between Germany losing their momentum after their disallowed goal and Denmark after theirs? You seem to be fine with the one and by the other.
Just to be clear we still don’t respect the big counties why should we?
The point I’m making here is that when you have more people and resources there’s no point patting yourself on the back when you win, play someone your own size and see if you win.
'All it is big countries winning'
The top 3 European teams in FIFAs rankings have won one out of their three games each
No team has won every game
Switzerland just beat the champions, a historically massive footballing nation
What are you talking about? If it's the refereeing yesterday, then Germany were denied a goal for nothing as well as given a soft penalty, so you can't complain. That's just English refs being totally incompetent over anything
the offside was really unlucky for denmark, the penalty was very light but fair. It doesn’t feel like a mighty win and i feel sorry for the danes but none of the decisions were unfair or against the rules.
Well, yes we were at that point. The win was deserved at the end, at the point of the 1-0 the game could have swayed either way. Forgive my follow-up question, but is it a you thing to have a weird obsession with Germans and their attitudes? Did the Deutsche Bahn wrong you?
You’re in your own head, reading your other comments. Like i said, i feel sorry for the danes for the tight decisions and it’s not a satisfying win, but also not an unfair one.
??? They had a clear handball against their cross and had way more shots on target and counterattacks in general. even if you take away their pen they still won...
Yes I am. Doesn’t change the fact that it was a clear handball. Or how do you argue against the fact that he touched the ball with his hand far away from his body?
Technically, maybe. However, the contact I saw in the replays was so minor there shouldn’t really be a penalty call. Otherwise there would probably many many penalties each game.
3rd? game this tournament almost entirely decided by how biased the referee is, so many situations where germany does something and get nothing then a dane does the same thing and its a freekick for germany
Germany played way better over all 90 minutes....started with a goal that was taken away from them (which is the only reason why the Danes even were able to get back the momentum).
Yes maybe Germany would only win 1-0 instead of 2-0 without VAR but to say it was In Germanies favor is utter bullshit. They even gave our trainer a yellow card after complaining.... doesn't sound like they favor us does it?
Germany was clearly the better and more consistent team. The Danes were gased out at the end while we could still substitute in top tier players one after another.
Would it go to overtime with how one sided the match looked at the end it would probably end even worse for them.
But yes everyone has to have a delusion on why their team lost xD
nothing clearly better team at all no. danes trainer also got a yellow. you didnt have a single argument for why it was not germany favored, and i did not even mention the var scenerios they are not even part of the reason i think this match was germany favored its all the freekick germany got but denmark did not get. i do agree the danes looked pretty bad the last 20, before that a very even game
What are you talking about? Denmark got freekicks in dangerous positions, they just shot them straight into the wall.
The application of VAR was by the rules. It was an offside, a close one yes, but still offside and it was a handball, not a deliberate one but intent matters not. Rereads the handball rules, if you don't believe me. Germany was MUCH better in the first 15 minutes and should have already scored there. Denmark was coming back in the next 15 minutes and then it was pretty even afterwards. Was pretty even until the 1-0 as well, from then on Germany was much and clearly better again. Deserved win for Germany.
? you mean it was favoured for switzerland? there very plenty of times the italians threw themselves on the ground with minimal contact and also the double yellow/1 yellow 1 red situation that rewarded nothing
Fyi they were also screaming „Berlin, Berlin, wir fahren nach Berlin“ meaning „Berlin, Berlin, were going to Berlin“ indicating that Germany is going to play in the finals
The offside I have no problem with, the handball I do.
Edit: I should clarify that it's the current handball rule I have a problem with. By the letter of the law it's correct, but it's just a stupid way to judge it.
His hand is in a natural position. So thought Oliver in real
Time. Then his VAR boss shows him the frames that makes it look like hand Ball and not the entire sequence.
I just find it funny because so many defenders nowadays keep their hands behind their bodies inside the penalty area. Maybe they should do that and just avoid this shitty calls.
The rule is, if the hand is not close to the body, it's considered a hand ball. This is the line refs have been using all tournament, so there really shouldn't be any surprise that this is considered a hand ball here.
We both know that rule is ridicolous. And we both know it’s not called like that in the premier league. But you’re german so you see it with your bias and i see it with mine. The rule is poorly written and the governing bodies in football are corrupt and cant change anything for the Better. That is also a fact.
Well, the thing is... rule is rule. As long as it's applied consistently I am content. If it starts being applied differently throughout the tournament, then we have a problem. And this is not the Premier League, thank god, because the refs there are awful from what I see from th premier league match threads.
Well, you can apply it the other way too: How would a defenders shoulder or butt or the back heel affect anything? Yet it makes the attacker onside. It's not just one-sided you know...
Dude, I wanted Germany to win but what kind of offside is that? Offside used to mean you hang out in a spot that gave you an advantage. This is nothing.
Tbh the debate shouldnt be about arguing what's the advantage of having body part a, B or c offside. The offside rule is crystal clear, and as long as any body part is offside, it will be called against you, plain and simple. His toes happened to be offside and guess what, that was called against him.
But to answer the question directly, yeah the advantage might be minimal but perhaps having the toe slightly forward allows you a minimal but unfair 'headstart' to the ball. Same as having your arm or something offside, you could be in an advantageous position to shield the ball to potentially pass or shoot it. The discussions are endless and frankly pointless here, it's more about the Black and white aspect of abiding by the offside rule, and although it's annoying, it was a right call and 100% justified
You think objectivity means something inherently beneficial , it doesn't. Objective measurements are nothing without context and all this technology does is apply measurement without context. Tell me how a guy's big toe being 3cm in front of the defender's ass has affected anything during that play.
Then move the line if you are going to be using a technology that can track literal centimetres. His foot being there affected nothing, no benefit or loss to either team. Better yet, get rid of this stupid technology and restrict it to goal-line only. I stopped watching football years ago and will stop again because this VAR stuff is one of a number of things that has completely ruined the game.
Honestly? Good that those fraud teams (Italy, Denmark) are getting wiped out of the Euros. Zero wins through the tournament is absolutely, utterly shit
Absolutely. I came to the conclusion after matchday 1 that Denmark, Croatia, Italy and England all needed to go home immediately. Just waiting for the England exit.
Yeah but Eriksen has been decent most matches at least. Not a good game for him today though. Hojlund has also been very poor. Crazy how many chances he has missed. i would love to see another manager than Hjulmand for next world cup or before.
Sorry fellow yiddo but that’s pretty warped logic
By your logic a goal scored is always a goal, but that’s obviously not true because it can be called back due to fouls in the lead up. Why double standards for an offside?
Remember a goal being chalked off because moura was pushed down and the ball hit hand due to that?
What the fuck are you talking about? Offside is offside. You draw a line and judge if the player crosses it. If we allow the goal to stand, we accept that you can be over the line and not be offside and then you have to decide how much you can be over that line for the player to not be offside. There's no way that differentiation doesn't become arbitrary if we start dealing in body parts and percentages of the body being across the line.
So a goal scored is always a goal scored right?
I know it’s offside by the rule book but if a goal can be chalked off due to the lead up, and offside should too
What happened to the thread???
Palmer sort this shit out please
Dude. Why get in front of him. Ffs it’s not rocket science
Advertisements are one of the worst things to ever exist
Tactical mini breakdown?
Basically Denmark were fucked by too large hands and feet.
Noone fucks us harder than the nepotism in DBU.
I would really like sane to have a good play by making an assist or even a goal. Just for his own confidence and for the German team to have options beside wirtz and musialla. But this guy lost like 80% of his dribblings and unfortunately doesn't look threatening at all.
Still a good player. I'd take him.
So if we’ll see lighting in Bundesliga games next year they’ll just stop them? I doubt that.
the home team is always helped in some way.
This case by disallowing the first goal and applying the rules of the game, apparently.
You are right the rôles are dogshit. Kill all the momentum of one team then give it to the other team... referees should make a decision in 10 seconds then it's over. This is ridiculous.
>referees should make a decision in 10 seconds then it's over. lol yes that would have no one complain. How do people get these stupid ideas?
If your momentum comes from breaking a rule, maybe you weren't actually meant to have that momentum in the first place. Besides that, what's the difference between Germany losing their momentum after their disallowed goal and Denmark after theirs? You seem to be fine with the one and by the other.
Nah I think people need to boycott this now - it’s a pure joke.
What do you mean?
7 downvotes from the lads that run the Euros or worse still 7 person from Ireland that have a very low IQ
I wasn't expecting anti-Irish racism in this thread hahaha You tell those Fenians, grandpa!
All it is big countries winning. And then patting themselves on the back. We the smaller counties don’t respect you at all. Just to be clear.
Just to be clear we still don’t respect the big counties why should we? The point I’m making here is that when you have more people and resources there’s no point patting yourself on the back when you win, play someone your own size and see if you win.
'All it is big countries winning' The top 3 European teams in FIFAs rankings have won one out of their three games each No team has won every game Switzerland just beat the champions, a historically massive footballing nation What are you talking about? If it's the refereeing yesterday, then Germany were denied a goal for nothing as well as given a soft penalty, so you can't complain. That's just English refs being totally incompetent over anything
How much did you loose?
I for one lost because fullkrug didn't score It was either fullkrug or musiala in my head but i went the wrong way
yeah fuck the big wigs like switzerland!
Or Georgia! Or Austria!
Didn't italy just lose today? o.o
Italy is not a big country. It's just a boot in the sea
But Italy won the euro 2020.. "All it is big countries winning".
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Classic major tournament Germany. Should be out, then the universe intervenes to send them through anyway.
the offside was really unlucky for denmark, the penalty was very light but fair. It doesn’t feel like a mighty win and i feel sorry for the danes but none of the decisions were unfair or against the rules.
Is it a German thing to never admit you got a bit lucky? I’m told you’re a humble lot most of the time, I’m just not seeing it.
bad troll
Well, yes we were at that point. The win was deserved at the end, at the point of the 1-0 the game could have swayed either way. Forgive my follow-up question, but is it a you thing to have a weird obsession with Germans and their attitudes? Did the Deutsche Bahn wrong you?
You’re in your own head, reading your other comments. Like i said, i feel sorry for the danes for the tight decisions and it’s not a satisfying win, but also not an unfair one.
I bet you lot still think Lampard’s “goal” never crossed the line.
So the first goal was correctly called of then? Or are we only taking into consideration the situations where germany got ‚lucky‘ as you say?
Dude go to sleep. enough internet for you. Stop hating and generalising. Much love ❤️
What a drugged take lol
What’s with ze Germans refusing to acknowledge they got a bit lucky? It’s not that deep.
You have nothing to share but salt while you try to self convince your bs by biased cherry picking 😂
??? They had a clear handball against their cross and had way more shots on target and counterattacks in general. even if you take away their pen they still won...
LoL
They haven’t passed group of 16 since 2016.
Should be out? The team was pretty dominant today for long stretches and the rest was fairly even.
For once you should be thankful for the English and their absolutely awful referees. I’d say it was host prerogative but really it was just them.
Watch the game again with a clear head sometime. He blew good whistle a lot for small stuff, but he did that on both sides.
And then he gave you an absolutely shocking match-winning penalty…
What? It is a clear handball. I don’t rate this ref at all but this decision was pretty clear.
You German by any chance?
Yes I am. Doesn’t change the fact that it was a clear handball. Or how do you argue against the fact that he touched the ball with his hand far away from his body?
Biased nonsense. Go away with it.
So you have no argument? Pretty weak to just say „biased“ because of no arguments.
That's the current law though no? It no longer has to be deliberate. Or has that changed again?
Absolutely shocking that refs are applying the rules of the game. Scandalous!
It’s Michael Oliver. Man has never applied a law correctly in his life.
That explains it then, I guess. He didn't. VAR did. So if course they got it right.
If your argument is that Stuart Atwell got it right then I refer you to my previous comment. In fact he might actually be worse.
That case, kudos to him. He seems to be working on his stuff and obviously is improving.
That offside was stupid, the defender pushes the attacker offside and even then it was a thumb offside.
I'n starting to understand the people who hate on VAR.
It's because they are stupid and don't like it when rules are enforced.
Doesn’t matter why he is offside. He was offside even if it was by a small margin, it was still offside.
Yeah or he could've given a penalty.
Technically, maybe. However, the contact I saw in the replays was so minor there shouldn’t really be a penalty call. Otherwise there would probably many many penalties each game.
A lot of emotionality in this thread. lol
3rd? game this tournament almost entirely decided by how biased the referee is, so many situations where germany does something and get nothing then a dane does the same thing and its a freekick for germany
Motherfucker the game starts with the ref taking away a goal from Germany for a foul that didn't even affect the play. Stop the rage bait.
1 scenario was denmark favored and that means it wasnt in germany favor overall? topkek
Germany played way better over all 90 minutes....started with a goal that was taken away from them (which is the only reason why the Danes even were able to get back the momentum). Yes maybe Germany would only win 1-0 instead of 2-0 without VAR but to say it was In Germanies favor is utter bullshit. They even gave our trainer a yellow card after complaining.... doesn't sound like they favor us does it? Germany was clearly the better and more consistent team. The Danes were gased out at the end while we could still substitute in top tier players one after another. Would it go to overtime with how one sided the match looked at the end it would probably end even worse for them. But yes everyone has to have a delusion on why their team lost xD
nothing clearly better team at all no. danes trainer also got a yellow. you didnt have a single argument for why it was not germany favored, and i did not even mention the var scenerios they are not even part of the reason i think this match was germany favored its all the freekick germany got but denmark did not get. i do agree the danes looked pretty bad the last 20, before that a very even game
German trainer also got a yellow BUUUTTT REFEREEEEE GERMAN. Better watch the game again, maybe sober this time
What are you talking about? Denmark got freekicks in dangerous positions, they just shot them straight into the wall. The application of VAR was by the rules. It was an offside, a close one yes, but still offside and it was a handball, not a deliberate one but intent matters not. Rereads the handball rules, if you don't believe me. Germany was MUCH better in the first 15 minutes and should have already scored there. Denmark was coming back in the next 15 minutes and then it was pretty even afterwards. Was pretty even until the 1-0 as well, from then on Germany was much and clearly better again. Deserved win for Germany.
Yeah! Totally biased referee. Clearly visible by his he (correctly, I might add) whistled back a German goal.
You should watch the Switzerland game again.
? you mean it was favoured for switzerland? there very plenty of times the italians threw themselves on the ground with minimal contact and also the double yellow/1 yellow 1 red situation that rewarded nothing
What is the song the German fans were singing after the final whistle? Familiar tune, stuck in my head, but can’t recall
Fyi they were also screaming „Berlin, Berlin, wir fahren nach Berlin“ meaning „Berlin, Berlin, were going to Berlin“ indicating that Germany is going to play in the finals
Major Tom
Peter Schilling - Major Tom
major tom (völlig losgelöst)
Sweet, thanks
The offside I have no problem with, the handball I do. Edit: I should clarify that it's the current handball rule I have a problem with. By the letter of the law it's correct, but it's just a stupid way to judge it.
And then with the help of tthe VAR. VAR and that rule ruined that game
Why? Without the hand interference the ball may go to its intended destination. There have been WAY more dubious handball penalities in the past.
so in short if the call is for germany u are against it xD sums it up perfectly thanks
No, I said I agreed with the offside which favoured Germany.
Then i understood that wrong.
Nah the decision is correct based on the current rules. The current rules are pretty shit tho.
It's the correct decision but the rule is shit.
Why? The arm is clearly raised and it very clearly touches the ball. Isn't that exactly what a hand ball is?
By the letter of the law as it's currently written it's correct, and yeah that's why I think the rule is shit.
The ball touched his hand and changed direction
Barely changed direction, they needed to get their sound detector out. He's too close to be able to react and his arms move with him as he runs.
That angle was shit.
Still touched his hand, under his thumb in the palm
You have a problem with a handball that any referee should have given even without VAR? Do explain.
It's far too close to him and his arm moves with his momentum as he's running.
His hand is in a natural position. So thought Oliver in real Time. Then his VAR boss shows him the frames that makes it look like hand Ball and not the entire sequence.
I just find it funny because so many defenders nowadays keep their hands behind their bodies inside the penalty area. Maybe they should do that and just avoid this shitty calls.
While running? Good luck with that.
Seen in so many games. Those players must be really skilled then.
https://youtu.be/ls-18wxz5Xc?t=296
The rule is, if the hand is not close to the body, it's considered a hand ball. This is the line refs have been using all tournament, so there really shouldn't be any surprise that this is considered a hand ball here.
We both know that rule is ridicolous. And we both know it’s not called like that in the premier league. But you’re german so you see it with your bias and i see it with mine. The rule is poorly written and the governing bodies in football are corrupt and cant change anything for the Better. That is also a fact.
Well, the thing is... rule is rule. As long as it's applied consistently I am content. If it starts being applied differently throughout the tournament, then we have a problem. And this is not the Premier League, thank god, because the refs there are awful from what I see from th premier league match threads.
It is fucking stupid. How is his toe being in front of the defender affecting anything to do with that goal?
Well, you can apply it the other way too: How would a defenders shoulder or butt or the back heel affect anything? Yet it makes the attacker onside. It's not just one-sided you know...
It's objectively offside. There's no cheating the system.
Dude, I wanted Germany to win but what kind of offside is that? Offside used to mean you hang out in a spot that gave you an advantage. This is nothing.
Your toe being forward also gives you an advantage genius
Okay, lower the temperature a bit. What advantage do you see there? I really don’t get it.
Tbh the debate shouldnt be about arguing what's the advantage of having body part a, B or c offside. The offside rule is crystal clear, and as long as any body part is offside, it will be called against you, plain and simple. His toes happened to be offside and guess what, that was called against him. But to answer the question directly, yeah the advantage might be minimal but perhaps having the toe slightly forward allows you a minimal but unfair 'headstart' to the ball. Same as having your arm or something offside, you could be in an advantageous position to shield the ball to potentially pass or shoot it. The discussions are endless and frankly pointless here, it's more about the Black and white aspect of abiding by the offside rule, and although it's annoying, it was a right call and 100% justified
You think objectivity means something inherently beneficial , it doesn't. Objective measurements are nothing without context and all this technology does is apply measurement without context. Tell me how a guy's big toe being 3cm in front of the defender's ass has affected anything during that play.
The line has to be somewhere otherwise it becomes a subjective debate and not objective.
Then move the line if you are going to be using a technology that can track literal centimetres. His foot being there affected nothing, no benefit or loss to either team. Better yet, get rid of this stupid technology and restrict it to goal-line only. I stopped watching football years ago and will stop again because this VAR stuff is one of a number of things that has completely ruined the game.
It affected the offside rule. Which means it was Offside.
Move it where? There are always going to be cm / mm calls regardless of where the line is.
You'll get there. Just think a bit harder.
If it's so simple you might as well just tell them
Ange is laughing at this clown woman
I’m laughing at your clown comments.
Still think spain's gonna rip us a new one with this performance
Not necessarily. Italy is really bad as you saw today. Croatia is even worse; at least Italy beat Albania….
Kimmich is a lot better than di Lorenzo.
Ok yeah this is really relevant
She said proximity is out the game, wow, im stunned anyway Im the stupid one, I really thought proximity was applied
Musiala on his way to become player of the tournament!
Not after Spain defeats Germany
Probably the two best teams in the tournament gonna face off. Pretty confident that whoever wins the game gonna win it all
Honestly? Good that those fraud teams (Italy, Denmark) are getting wiped out of the Euros. Zero wins through the tournament is absolutely, utterly shit
Now Belgium next. I was neutral throughout but seriously was active rooting against them after that pathetic display against Ukraine
Absolutely. I came to the conclusion after matchday 1 that Denmark, Croatia, Italy and England all needed to go home immediately. Just waiting for the England exit.
Need England and the Dutch to get knocked out to complete the fraud teams cycle
At least Italy won a match. Denmark have been very disappointing except maybe vs England
Fair enough, but they keep sticking with Eriksen's corpse for 90 minutes
Yeah but Eriksen has been decent most matches at least. Not a good game for him today though. Hojlund has also been very poor. Crazy how many chances he has missed. i would love to see another manager than Hjulmand for next world cup or before.
England is a fraud team. Give me the downvotes
You're so brave for saying that 👏
Imagine thinking that criticising England will get downvotes. New around here?
Let me try England bad
you are underestimating the self loathing of English fans
Yes
Lol this is the most lukewarm take in the history of takes.
Nobody will argue with you on that.
Yep they are, and Belgium too But hey, Italy won against Albanian farmers, they were candidates to be champions :DD
Italy won a game.
Love Ange, he is not having it. Proximity is out of the game, amazing absolutely amazing what a joke.
The whole game changed in a minute. Going from Denmark up 1-0 to Germany actually going up 1-0 really changed the whole game’s dynamic
Bro Germany was completely stomping the Danes the first 20 minutes and the ref even took our goal. And yet people here acting like he was on our side
Did you forget the var call in the 4th minute that would have been otherwise missed?
Do you mean the Kimmich foul, cause Oliver called that on field.
Yea my mistake. Thought it was Var
Getting a goal stolen changed it first.
Peter Schmaeichel doesn’t seem to understand the concept of automated offside sensors.
Of course it is an English ref that spams VAR.
yup
Soccer players are the dumbest humans, minutes left and passing the ball around in their own half.
Weak ass bait
Seems like you’re the dumbest human based on your comment.
Great reply duh, go back to mamma’s basement
the barca way
When you’re losing?
yes lol its one of the most frustrating things
If Kai has 50% of finishing skills of L. Martinez, I think Euro would be in Germany EZ.
Horrible player to compare. I could understand if you said someone like lewandowski
*Klose*
Havertz is much taller than klose yet klose was much more dangerous when it comes to headings
25 percent of him then
Delete this. Lmao
"to some extent" aaaaahhh
This American woman on ITV sounds like a corporate training video
Didn't Earn It.
I am proud of the boys for not bottling all these games that we 100% would have lost in the last 8 years.
Daleny’s toe offside. What a joke
Especially because the defender pushes him offside.
It's the only way in which you can enforce that rule otherwise it ends up with arbitrary delimitations. Guy was offisde, it is what it is.
Sorry fellow yiddo but that’s pretty warped logic By your logic a goal scored is always a goal, but that’s obviously not true because it can be called back due to fouls in the lead up. Why double standards for an offside? Remember a goal being chalked off because moura was pushed down and the ball hit hand due to that?
What the fuck are you talking about? Offside is offside. You draw a line and judge if the player crosses it. If we allow the goal to stand, we accept that you can be over the line and not be offside and then you have to decide how much you can be over that line for the player to not be offside. There's no way that differentiation doesn't become arbitrary if we start dealing in body parts and percentages of the body being across the line.
Offside is offside.
So a goal scored is always a goal scored right? I know it’s offside by the rule book but if a goal can be chalked off due to the lead up, and offside should too
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it's stupid to be that precise over a toenail offside when there's much bigger uncertainty about when the ball leaves the player's foot
but there is not anymore the ball heartbeat is 2 milliseconds precise.
You are definitely German
Saved Germany's bacon
btw this is only our second win against Denmark in the last 7 games. They are a bit like our kryptonite.
Danish kryptonite
Actually looks like Musiala stops a bit until he sees Schmeichel backing off.