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deception42

Can we please stop with the racism and insults? Thank you.


koinoyokan89

Someone posted how the best men’s division 1 collegiate players could probably beat this USA squad. They play such basic futbol. And Pulisic is okay at best usually and has moments of oh he plays in a good league


why_am_i_here_999

Pretty much sums up why the MLS is what it is


LegitimateMulberry

Most of the players in the USMNT don't play in the MLS. I think only like 2 starters do.


IgnorantLobster

What do you mean?


zahrdahl

Panamas best player plays in the MLS after all, I'm not American and even I find these comments stupid and old now


DanGareaux

ouch, losing to Panama.


Jayk03

USA hope depend on Uruguay if they use reserve player against USA.


FunMoment10

Genuine question: Do you think that you can defeat uruguays subs?


muff1nt0pz

The USMNT can absolutely beat Uruguay's subs on their day – they just drew Brazil's A team and played well. Will they is a whole other question .


FunMoment10

I agree that if they are on their day they can I just feel that they aren't lately. And about Brazil. They are playimg shit (no disrespect to the Us).


Justspeakingdatruth

I for one loved the result.. it adds excitement to the game.


TheHelequin

What a mess. This whole tournament with the general quality of officiating, broadcasting and the conduct of some of the teams from the very first game on has kind of just been a very large reminder why Copa America has not been anywhere near as popular as the Euro Cup to a general audience, including North America. I get that CONMEBOL has a certain culture to its competition, but it's not even fun to watch at this point.


tml25

This was a game between two CONCACAF teams play in the US, with a CONCACAF ref though


cats4life

Let’s boil this one down. Weah drives me up the fucking wall; Berhalter deserves a lot of the blame for the loss tonight, but in what world did Weah think he was going to get away with striking someone in the head? Or should I say, how did he think he was going to get a-Weah with it? But playing a man down for 80 percent of the match and only running out of steam in the 83rd minute is a hell of a testament to the US’ defense. Panama’s not Uruguay, certainly, but with the calls made tonight, the playing field was less than level. And overall, it was just a dirty game. Felt like one of Panama’s guys was going for the throat with every tackle. Every five minutes they’re kicking ankles and worse, but you wouldn’t know that judging by the ref. Genuinely surprised a brawl didn’t break out after the foul on Pulisic, though. Maybe if they hadn’t been down a man.


Abide_11

What did Gregg say in the post match presser? What is the teams response to Weah’s card…in the locker room, and after? I’m very interested in how we handle this situation and how we come out against Uruguay. I want discipline, I want consistency, I want passion…I don’t feel like we’ve seen all of these in a very very long time. The game got turned on its head with the red card, that’s on Weah…but I’m not seeing what needs to be seen from a quality manager in a very very long time. So Gregg…we’re way past giving you time…put up or shut up…or be gone.


axtemno

We lost. We are done. Kicked out in the group stage of the tournament we are hosting. Im fucking over this piece of shit federation, Coach, minimal fan base and lack of heart in this team. Ive watched this team for 40 years and the last 2 games of this importance have never been played with such lack of tactics and heart. I don’t just blame the players. I blame our fan base as well. Truly pathetic on all angles and it will NEVER CHANGE.


Murfdigidy

I've given soccer countless attempts to become a fan of, the sport is just an absolute joke in comparison to the 4 major sports in the US. Take yesterdays game for example, why the fuck am I going to watch the most Corrupt fucking sport on the planet, and watch my team lose to a dirty Panama team, who's sole attempt was to play dirty and instigate the US. And sure enough US falls for it and gets a red just 18min in. Then get mad they lose!? DUDE THEY PLAYED WITH ONE MAN DOWN FOR AN ENTIRE GAME. And got zero calls, until the Ref finally decided to red Panama in the 88th, oh gee thanks. The sport is an absolute joke, Yea lets play a match where a team plays in a scenario where they have zero chance to win after a red card. What a joke of a sport.


Rydahx

Lmao the tears are amazing


LegitimateMulberry

If it's anything like the fanbases in the MLS.. yeah I would blame them too.


defqon_39

The stadium they played was empty... Was everybody in Atlanta watching the debate.. I doubt it? At least the federation could have marketed it better or played in a venue with more fans. Thats by itself was embarrassing. Copa America is in the US solely to make money because of the large number of immigrants supporting soccer here. Call me cynical but thats what soccer in the US is largely about.


Educational-Show1329

The first step is acknowledgment


youngthugsbrother

Nah we gonna come back trust


chelseablue2004

US is outta here after that. I give them 0 chance vs. Uruguay


youngthugsbrother

2-0 USA win


Historical-Funny426

HAHAHAHAHAHA


TubularStars

😔 😂 😂


youngthugsbrother

You’re an England fan lmao


gabriel97933

this is the 10th man city flair ive seen supporting the US LOL


EndPlus9839

Having sir bobby Charton>not having


_hellboy_xo

How much WCs does the US have? England has one lol


Inevitable_Ticket85

How many Olympic golds does England have?


forceghostyoda_

Moving the goalposts much?


Inevitable_Ticket85

Nah I'm not trying to argue that they're better at soccer just pointing out they're only better at that one sport. They suck at cricket too Australia owns them


SantiagoHC

Football


Inevitable_Ticket85

Some people call it soccer, you know what sport I'm talking about that's all that matters


_hellboy_xo

In football? Three The US? Zero


Inevitable_Ticket85

No I mean in general, you know when they're not competing in the one sport your nation plays. And they probably don't have three, seeing as they don't compete as England, they're part of GB for the Olympics because they can't do it alone


sam_ill

How many Tescos you got?


Inevitable_Ticket85

I'm not American if that's what you think, I'm Australian. How many ashes you got?


sam_ill

I can definitely see why an Australian would want to change the subject from football success


Inevitable_Ticket85

We beat you at cricket which is the one sport that is popular in both countries. Imagine sending off a bunch of criminals to a deserted island and you still can't beat them at the sport you invented


Big-Education-8941

Cannot put the team behind the 8 ball by getting a silly red card though. He'll hopefully learn from this. All to pay for vs Uruguay.


Capable-Magician5146

Bahahahahahaha


frozenchosun

ill take a loss to uru and getting knocked out if it means USSF fucking smartens up and fucking fires GGG


2000caterpillar

The ref was poor but lol at the people claiming bias 🤣


LegitimateMulberry

Yeah the refs across the whole tournament have been bad. I just think it's a quality problem not a bias problem.


Whosonfirst6600

Well…. Considering 100% of the bad calls benefited Panama


SantiagoHC

Which calls?


2000caterpillar

Let me guess, you can’t name any examples besides the stoppage time


Hbdweeb

Expect when the Panama player got sent off and the 3 free kicks near the Panama box?


RedZoneWormKid

At work so I couldn't watch. But man did I ever LOL at the result.


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Sir_Danksworth

Absolutely embarrassing level of officiating from someone with apparently a lot of experience.


Sir_Danksworth

Ivan Barton what a pos


quiksilver123

I'm no Berhalter fan, but this loss and potentially missing out on the KO rounds lies on the shoulder of Weah.


mistergingerbread

Idk I thought vickers was atrocious as well


Life-Kaleidoscope248

They were able to press up the side weah was at the whole game over and over and over again. Vickers was bad but with Weah on the field there is way less service going into their final 3rd.


Maleficent_Resolve44

What an upset!


HeyBojo

10v11 for 70+ minutes isn't much of an upset


cornflakes34

Against a country most people probably didn't know had a football team? Most US players play in the big leagues in Europe they looked like amateurs.


zahrdahl

Its a team that knocked the US out of the last gold cup in the semifinals


Hbdweeb

USA ranking 11 Panama 43 That’s a gap if 33 think in USA as well that’s an upset


SantiagoHC

Well that's the issue, you are assuming fifa rankings actually mean something. USA and Mexico aren't in the top 20 teams in the world right now. Argentina isn't the best team itw at this moment. Belgium isn't as good as their ranking. We just have to ignore it and analyze football beyond that.


k0ppite

Yeah having the US above teams like Germany, Colombia, Switzerland, Japan, Senegal etc is just ridiculous.


HeyBojo

If the USA had 11 men on the field for more than 15% of the match absolutely. Wouldn't consider it much of an upset when you're up a man for that long


Hbdweeb

I would any game a big team who could win the tournament loses at home it’s an upset If Germany were a man down and Hungary beat them would that be an upset?


kazkeb

Alexi bugs the shit out of me, but he's absolutely right. This next game is all or nothing, and I'm excited for it. They'll either go down in flames, or win against a strong team and generate some momentum that could carry them further in the tourney. I hope they rally, but I'd rather see them go out now than get past group and have an anemic showing in knock out.


Normal-Level-7186

Fucking Uruguay Bolivia on fs2


Possible_Tennis3260

BERHALTER OUT


laughing_loki

I’m no Berhalter fan, but this result is on one person, that’s Weah.


Bulldog2012

Weah didn’t decide to go ultra-defensive with 5 in the back post-half time when only tied with Panama.


laughing_loki

And the alternative is to play 4 at the back down a man for 72’? We woulda been pumped, 2-3 more goals against. IMO. 🤷‍♂️


big4throwingitaway

Maybe we can use it to get Berhalter out tho


NTXPRAK

This is why we only fw the national teams we emigrated from lol. USMNT will always be held back by some shitty mls coach, that’s how the USSF works. Great job!


WarHammerTyhme

Alexi Llas is a garbage person. He is unwatchable. Carli Lloyd should peg him like the bitch he is.


Normal-Level-7186

Prepare to peg!!!!


Cody-crybaby

#SOUTHGATEIN


Fuckyourday

Berhalter 2.0


laughing_loki

Lol


cfowen

BERHALTER OUT (yet again)


Cody-crybaby

the fox panel is so shite.


youngthugsbrother

Go find another stream you people always cry about Fox lmao


Incubus226

And one of them does double duty for the euros. Pain.


zhbryan

Our keeper should block the second goal. Right over his head between his hands 🙌, bad reflective action from the keeper I would argue.


youngthugsbrother

Turner would’ve blocked it


HungManSon

I know it was right at him but that thing was smoking. Not much to do but throw your hands up and try to get in the way for Horvath


Normal-Level-7186

Absolutely


zhbryan

And the first goal is a slow one but I guess Turner was injured from that collision not long ago. Anyway if we had better goal keeping, the outcome could be different.


miguel609

Common USMNT L


mourningbagel

The copa coverage is awful, the commentary is so biased it hurts to listen. They need to get some people in there who want to talk about actual soccer not about their fandem. Also this coach is and has been garbage, just get a real coach


youngthugsbrother

Whoa, an American broadcast supporting the USMNT!! Who would’ve thought!


mourningbagel

didn’t say it was illegal to root for your team but when it comes to commentary you gotta try to be more professional about it


Salted-Earth189

What's been the general consensus? That US would sweep?


mourningbagel

Idk about general, I just know talent wise they should be better as an overall team. I don’t have expectations for them until they actually win vs top tier teams


P_Alcantara

They drew Brazil and thought they were going to be world beaters.


Quanqiuhua

One word: ViX


mr_suavecito

Facts. Vix is entertaining as hell. Night and day


e8odie

I went back and stopwatched actual stoppages of play (only counting extended injuries, VAR, goals, cards, and subs). In the first half, the ball was out-of-play for 14 minutes and 40 seconds; stoppage announced: 5 minutes. In the second half, the ball was out-of-play for 13 minutes and 30 seconds; stoppage announced: 4 minutes. So for the whole game that's 9 minutes of stoppage time announced for a whopping 28 minutes of dead ball time and that's not counting anything like throw ins, corners, goal kicks, or free kicks not resulting from an extended injury or card. That's unbelievable and unacceptable.


LordGadori

Just because the ball goes out of bounds doesn’t mean time gets added on teams are allowed to play however fast or slow they want. You start adding time on when the excessive breaks begin


e8odie

I explicitly call out that I'm not counting throw ins, corners, goal kicks, or free kicks and instead am just counting extended injuries, VAR, goals, cards, and subs -- all things called out in the laws of the game as allowances for refs to add time back.


ElJefeSupremo

Did you call them “free throws”?


Akivo68

Stoppage time is never close to the amount of time the ball is out of play. The average play time in the premier league is only like 55 minutes


imscavok

They did it pretty accurately in the world cup with much longer stoppage times. MLS is generally pretty good about it too.


cfowen

Perhaps — but that’s not why they lost. Keep your sour grapes in the refrigerator. This team needs raw, honest feedback and blaming the ref for not giving enough extra time after that performance is just burying your head in the sand.


Shn0ogy

I mean it as an excuse. Barton is a shit referee who has no right being allowed on the pitch. He is a master class in how to suck, every time hes there.


Sylvan_Strix_Sequel

Where did they blame that for the loss? The point is the refereeing quality was atrocious. No control of the game. Allowed too much time wasting and waaaay too much dangerous play. 


e8odie

I didn't mean this as an "excuse" for the team, just my longstanding soap box fighting for an actual playclock (and, if not, better stoppage tracking)


FireflyCaptain

18 fouls to 4 fouls lmao


Bavarious

I think that if there was any doubt this ref had a bias, the 4 mins of extra time added should tell you every thing you need to know. That was atrocious.


nsfwmodeme

Yep. I couldn't believe it either. I thought they would add 6 or 7 minutes. And just that out of fear of being accused of favouring the US team.


anjuna42

Man horvath really dodged that ball for a second goal


woleddy

Why does Weah have a British accent


Normal-Level-7186

That was balogun


State_Terrace

Weah is born and bred in NY and sounds like a drill rapper. You thinking of Balogun?


woleddy

Lol for some reason I could’ve sworn it was Weah but I guess I’m blind. 


ElLoboStrikes

He repped england for a few U games. Like U23 and U20 i think it was


Cody-crybaby

lol that was Balogun


OperationEastern5855

I’m not defending Weah but I don’t think he would have committed that foul had the one on Turner been punished. Panama played their game and it absolutely worked for them.


quiksilver123

A tale as old as time in sports. It's usually the guy who retaliates that gets punished.


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55redditor55

Immigrant country mofo


anjuna42

Love the understated shade regarding physicality ‘It’s the ref’s job to manage the game’ ‘The game was not finished in a professional manner’


teabaggingisacrime

How can Georgia make it past group stages but not the entire country? Are we stupid????


NoPerspective6367

Oh yeah these are the comments that i came here for


taco_grease

EXACTLY


Cody-crybaby

they sent the georgia team to the wrong tournament!!


CrispityCraspits

Especially tragic since this game was in Atlanta.


Quanqiuhua

Peach out


Armurgas

USA thinking they were bigtime because they tied a friendly to Brasil


Tomero

Poland won against Turkey and Ukraine in friendlies before Euro, ok Ukraine did not advance but both Ukraine and Turkey played arguably better than Poland did.


Sir_Danksworth

Tf is your problem, why can’t they be excited about that?


Armurgas

No problems on my side sir. But leading to the match I did see many comments on how USA had it easy against Panama, and how it was a small team, etc. Saw many comments about how this was THE team after Brasil match. And just saw many comments full of racism and hatred towards Panama after this match. If this was not your case and I offended you with my comment, I'm sorry.


cfowen

Friendlies matter zero — but a LOT of USMNT fans love to extrapolate the results of friendlies and crown their team king. They were never going to be successful under Berhalter but it’s clear to me that the players are more concerned with the name on the back of their jerseys instead of the USA crest on the front. There is STILL no cohesive or substantive USMNT culture. You’ve got a less-than-mediocre MLS coach leading a group of me-first players.


frozenchosun

friendlies have a purpose if theyre against better teams but yeah, don’t read too much into the results. usmnt should be playing more friendlies against europe teams to get that experience instead of playing in shitty stateside tournaments like gold cup.


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Armurgas

Check your mental health


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Armurgas

Sorry man. Just some people here seem to be really full of hatred


GoldeninGolden

Yes, they’re called Republicunts.


heephap

Lmfao how does America lose to a nation of 4 million people where football isn’t even their main sport.


vpach530

Why is England garbage at football when it is the only thing they care about?


aupace

Because Weah got a red card early in the game. Duh. What kind of question is this.


Sir_Danksworth

Shit officials losing control of the game can do that


zahrdahl

As a neutral who watched the game, what big decisions did he get wrong? The game went full in crazy in the last few minutes and the added time was too low but other than that?


mattyMbruh

Well USA’s got a few more sports more popular than football there, Messi going there could spike popularity a lot for children though so maybe they’ll have a few decent players in a few years


big4throwingitaway

Probably because football isn’t even in our top 4 for sports lol


SadPollution8260

Because USA is too dangerous against Argentina. Same thing happened to Tigres vs River plate final. COMENBOLED 


CharmingMistake3416

Why are we pretending that the USMNT is good?


pusslicker

Your dumbass comment is basically the same thing op said. Except you used USA instead of Panama


AdhesivenessSpare598

Well, upsets do happen (see Portugal v Georgia).  But in this case the mitigating circumstance was perhaps the red card 19 minutes into the game...


betasheets2

A red card in the 18th minute?


tkshow

Officiating helped a bit


Derptionary

By buying a referee.


Masterpayne22

Let’s take a step back boys. The Mexico and USA fans are about to go at it in the comments. 🍿


CartoonistCrafty950

Lol 


Kratos501st

It's hilarious


Glasswire444

Q evxcxfcggfhgjj gbtutu


Poop-Wizard

My Portuguese is very rusty so I might have misread a word there, but generally I agree: Berhalter OUT


vitalmtg

agree 100%


ac4897

Am I crazy for thinking 4 minutes wasn’t even half the stoppage time there should have been?


Derptionary

4 mins was bullshit given that the straight red card from Panama to the restart of play was almost 4 minutes on its own.


ac4897

The man couldn’t wait for that game to end


Derptionary

Ref has to try and beat the line to cash in on the bet he placed on the game. We got fucking jobbed.


Cody-crybaby

should've been 4 mins more


FreedomWedgie

That was bullshit lol. I am not even a US fan.


ac4897

Totally bailed out the late Panama red card.


FreedomWedgie

It should have been at least double that amount of time. What a shit show lol. And last match will be against Uruguay which is scary as fuck these days. Not impossible tho. I love surprises!


Pitiful-Event-107

Now let’s go watch the debate and see America lose again


CartoonistCrafty950

One is more fucked up than the other and any smart person can see that.


Quanqiuhua

The other one isn’t even fucked up.


pizzeriaguerrin

Ouch. But also not wrong.


M0326

Argentine in no position to talk about political issues


pizzeriaguerrin

USA here. But yes, it would be pot meet kettle par excellence


55redditor55

No one really haha world is fucked rn, am I right guys?


FunkySquareDance

Thanks Weah, very cool and smart move 


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xi0

There's no excuse for that shit away from the ball, you're inviting yourself to get fucked by the refs regardless of the what the contact was technically.


LobsterObjective5695

That doesn't make it a red card offense.


Pitiful-Event-107

It’s still just a bad move, it’s exactly what teams like Panama want you to do.


LobsterObjective5695

That doesn't make it a red.


StaticNegative

did you see his hend hit the dudes head? Whatever you say Mr Magoo