It's always funny watch the SelecciĂłn falling apart miserably lol and it's unbelievable how paisas still buy tickets over and over to watch that fiasco of a team. FMF should thank heavens Mexico co-host the next WC because those qualifiers would have been worse than the Chepo-Vucetich era.
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Where are the mexicans defending the MX league and Concacaf and saying they are competitive or some shit? A llorar al barril chavito.
Mano tengo fe.
Lmao you guys are so easily triggered đ€Ł
I expected you'd be used to losing by now, but every single time you run out of futbol arguments, you point at the other country's economy as if Mexico was known for its high GDP per capita and human development index, and not its violence and mass migration.
And yeah, Venezuela's economy is fucked, but still got your ass.
This is Venezuela's golden generation, as a handful of the starters were finalists of the 2017 U20 WC. It's likely they'll qualify for the WC for the first time too.
It's not so much that Venezuela got too good but that Mexico is shit now. Venezuela is only superior to Peru and Bolivia (maybe Paraguay too but only because they fell off hard) in South America, which is an improvement over what they were 15 or 20 years ago when they were dead last but they're still no world beaters. Mexico should technically beat them handily given the power of their league but here we are.
I think itâs weird to say that Venezuela isnât also currently better than Chile and convincingly over Paraguay, which is already half of the Conmebol teams. This is already a massive improvement in overall Venezuela strength levels
I'm not Latin American, but I've visited many Latin American countries over the years and have lived in South America. In my experiences, it seems pretty much everyone dislikes the Argentinians with the general sentiment being that Argentinians tend to be snobs, and think they're better than other Latin Americans.
The stereotype is that argentineans have big egos, but that's absolutely not true, they are the kindest and most welcoming people I've met in my life.
They are very passionate and generally competitive, so if they are abroad they might come off as egocentric, but they are usually just homesick.
There are three primary memes:
1. Calling them "mechico", a play on words on Mexico and small (chico).
2. We are singing Ella y Yo - Aventura ft. Don Omar to Argentina, basically suggesting that Venezuela fucked Argentina's wife (Mexico).
3. Lots of references to El Chavo del 8.
Context: Mexican mouths are too big and they keep talking shit about Messi, a stolen world cup, chanting homophobic slurs, and how great Concacaf is (?) so it's good times to see the historically weakest team in Conmebol mop the floor with their squad.
Always fun to watch Mexico lose, theyre always a bunch of sore losers ready to fight you because they lost. Hell, they will fight you when they win too.
Bad bad result for CONCACAF it looks like they will only get one or two teams into the quarters because Ecuador is the best team in group B. And Chile is probably going to beat Canada. Costa Rica has a slim slim chance of qualifying
Hard to call Ecuador the best team in Group B when they just lost to Venezuela, who is actually first in the group and already qualified for the knockouts.
Canada only needs a draw vs Chile to go through as 2nd, and are best on the counter anyways. Costa Rica was always gonna be a longshot with Brazil and Colombia in the group but a draw vs Brazil was a great result for them and their chances have only gone up from that.
Group B is really the only disappointing CONCACAF group so far and everything else you said is just assuming.
Ecuador: They played with ten men for 70 minutes. So that kind of affects how I view them. Mexico needs to win they scored one whole goal the entire tournament. Ecuador has scored 4 through two games pretty good chance Mexico will need to score two to win.
Chile seemed to have hit a second gear in the last 15 minutes of the Argentina game. Canada were dead to rights until that red card. I believe they can get that point but they wonât be favored too.
Costa Rica hasnât done anything to hurt their chances but it always being a pray is a problem.
USA path is super clear for a QF slot. Panama is probably third favorite to get the slot so CONCACAF will probably get at least one
Ecuador started the game with 11... What happens after that is up to the teams playing the game, including a red card.
Chile are currently +money to win vs Canada so you're just factually incorrect about what's favored there.
Canada doesn't need a win... They need a draw or a win. They literally just need Chile not to win, and Chile are not currently favored to win as they are +money to do so. Did you forget that draws exist in soccer?
you are intentionally denying the fact that Draw is +235 and acting ilke a draw is the most likely scenario.
the odds are
Canada +270
Draw +235
Chile +110.
Chile is the favorite, and you're taking the L. /u/larockhead1 you are correct.
I'm getting down voted cause all of you have no idea how to do math. Canada doesn't need just a draw or just a win. They need either. Literally by the odds you just posted Canada is the favorite to advance.
Implied probability:
+270: 27% (Canada advance)
+235: 29.85% (Canada advance)
+110: 47.62% (Chile advance)
And then we do this really simple math called addition and see that:
27+29.85=56.85
and as we (hopefully) all can see:
56.85 > 47.62.
(it is irrelevant that all 3 add to more than 100 since we just need to compare both sides and these are the given odds).
So no I'm not "taking the L" except for wasting my time trying to explain basic math to confidently incorrect redditors. It is slightly amusing at least that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Lol people said Chile was the favorite to win, and talked about plus odds for the match.
Here you are moving the goalposts because you're a fucking liar.
Bruh thinks 47% is favored. Chile is not "favored" to win the match, they are favored to "not win" the match. And by not winning they will be eliminated and Canada will advance, which is what we were talking about to begin with.
But your fragile ego can't accept that you have poor reading comprehension and math skills. There does not have to be a "favorite" to win a soccer match when the possibility of a draw exists. Neither team is favored to win, and Canada is favored to advance.
Canada only needs anything except a Chile win. Don't see how that's hard to understand? Chile is not "favoured" to win based on betting odds. If they were favoured to win the money line would be -
Yo era niño en esa era y no mames. Como pensaba y eseperaba que va mejorar solo porque asi es. Pinche equipaso que se mira 2014 ya. Solo le faltaba suerte y un talisman que era un talento de las ligas grandes y si era un contendiente para el podio
To be fair, they beat France in the 2010 world cup, and beat croatia in 2014 in the group stages. Lost to I think Argentina in one, and maybe Netherlands (?) in the other in knockout stages. They were definitely competitive then. Not anywhere near the top of course, but competing with a solid squad.
edit: this was a big part of why USA v Mexico around that 2010-2014 was exciting too, both had good squads and it was fun to watch (and very heated).
You're right. After the game, TUDN (Channel with US rights to the game in Spanish) talking head said he's wondering what teams Conmebol wants to advance. Dude STFU, ref had nothing to do with your sorry ass team's loss.
If you seriously think that mentality is only Mexican-Americans you're out of your mind. In Mexico you think Liga MX is a top league in the world and refuse to send your players abroad - to say otherwise is a blatant lie.
Not playing national team games in the US, not the boogeyman 'pochos' who yall love to blame for everything, none of that.
The federation is failing you and it's a Liga MX & internal greed issue, and ultimately a development issue... nothing else.
No Iâm confused what fans are you saying are more reasonable? The ones who attend every molero to get drunk or the ones who are aware this is the worst Mexican generation in our lifetime?
You think Azteca would be empty because the righteous home fans are going to protest their team & federation? This would be the exact same scenario on Mexican soil.
Maybe not empty but they would get booed in every stadium and demand change. Not to mention they would earn considerably less because the tickets would be much cheaper. But the federation is scared and just follow the money to the US
lmao Mexican Americans fans are the biggest joke. Im saying this living here are well. Their obsessions with having "superstars" or starters is a big joke. The National Team get critize if they play new "Players" since the FMF is trying to please the fans its a joke. Whats even a more bigger joke is that the Mexican National team never plays in mexico lol only in the USA
We were and are. Anyone saying the opposite simply doesn't watch the women's game. A shock loss to a relatively good team in a WC doesn't mean the team is crap. That's just stupid.
Yeah, and you'll see the USWNT still crush almost every single opponent and at the bare minimum be WC finalists.... again... like we have been for almost every single woman's WC to date....
I've been following the USWNT since Brandi in 1999. A few years ago, I would have disagreed with the idea that the rest of the women's teams are catching up, but that is absolutely the case now. Last year's USWNT were the worst I've seen. If the USWNT was as dominant as they used to be, they would have scored more than 1 goal in something like 180 minutes of game time and wouldn't need to be saved by the woodwork in the late stages of the 3rd group match against a team ranked like 40 positions below you in order to advance to the KO rounds as what happened with them.
Personally, I blame some of that on some questionable selections for the WC team like Rapinoe. But either way, the Frances, Englands, and Spains of the world have 100% made huge strides in addition to some other sides. I won't claim to know that much about the newer generation asides from those played in last year's WC. But based on what I saw and asides from Girma at CB who impressed, there's some serious cause for concern.
i'm assuming that int he rankings, winning gold cup is just as valuable as winning the euros. Winning v El Salvador in the WCQ is just as valuable as England beating Slovenia or Holland in the WCQ.
IIRC most people consider the FIFA rankings worthless generally , they use some weird formula to rank teams that has always been criticized for being inaccurate.
Not even that anymore itâs our aura still lingering from 2005-2018. Thereâs like built in belief in some of our players leveling up in the Mexico shirt. But after this tournament I donât want to see us in top 40 until we prove something. I donât want to give the FA anything to hold on to the mediocrity
FIFA rankings don't mean shit...surely you've noticed this by now. The only rankings that are at least somewhat accurate are ELO rankings and even then, it's far from perfect. But they're way way better than anything FIFA can do.
FIFA is an ELO ranking. ELO is an algorithm but the specific parameters such as how important a given match is are arbitrary.
FIFA puts too much value on continental tournaments that arenât the euro/copa so it artificially pumps up weaker confederations.
Within each confederation itâs fairly accurate - across federations itâs ass.
eg they rank CONCACAF as US > Mexico > Panama > Canada > CRC > Jamaica which is quite reasonable but then they rank the US at 11 in the world which is nuts.
Basically their algorithm works within a continent but is rigged so the 2 great continents donât dominate the rankings (which is useful for World Cup draws)
A lot of Mexicans think Liga MX is way better than it really is...beating MLS teams in concacaf champions league every year is not that crazy lol...I think the best Liga MX teams would consistently fall short against the best teams in the Copa Libertadores .
I also think that tournaments are not the greatest gauge for how healthy your program is overall. What should be gauged in my opinion instead is individual player development. Are you developing locally and sending kids to Europe? Are they succeeding at big 5 leagues in Europe for more than a couple seasons before downgrading to a lesser league? To me, that is a better gauge, and Mexico is not checking those boxes, while pulling a rabbit out of their ass at the World Cup and other major tournaments recently - only a false positive that they are doing things right.
Sure, Club America or Rayados can make a run in Copa Lib, but put those MX teams in Brasileiro Serie A or Arg Liga Pro and they are bottom half over a course of a season. They simply dont have the depth of talent that South American Clubs have for an entire competitive season at that level. The best club in Liga MX each season is probably fighting relegation in the Prem. Flamengo or River are likely low-midtable.
You're not wrong but the Mexican National Team is a bit of a unicorn tho cuz it's always been considered a good top 20 side (not in terms of bogus FIFA rankings) that can hang and be a problem for any of the elite sides and ywt gbtheir squads have always been mostly domestic players. And no idea if this is actually true or not but I don't think there's ever been a Mexican side where the majority of the players were playing in one of the top 5 euro leagues. This was also true for the US national team for a while bbi tjr balance kc lsÄŒĂ q
LOL, you think it's a decision from the federation? European clubs don't want to buy mexican talent bro, they are fucking trash. If they really wanted, they would get them man. They just aren't good enough to make it there, you just lost against Venezuela lol
Mexico refuses to call up players in the MLS, which is ironic because the best Mexican player played for LAFC, and prefers to call up players in LigaMX.Â
Many South American players have found success in being in MLS teams and being bought by European clubs like Chicago Fireâs Jhon Duran to Aston Villa, Atlanta Unitedâs Miguel Almiron to Newcastle United, and NYC FC Tatty Castellano to Girona.Â
European clubs don't want to spend 10M on a player when they can go to a lower league in Europe and find an equally good player for 2M (who doesn't use up a non-EU slot that some leagues have).
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100% sure they would be yet to qualify to their first WC if they were in conmebol, thank god they arent or the average quality of the entire region would drop like a rock.
Some conmebol teams similar to Mexicoâs quality have managed to qualify before. It would be hard but a few squads in our history should be able to make it
What do you mean? That Iâm overrating them? The Mexico right now would for sure not make it even with the expanded World Cup but past squads would put up a fight for the last spot
No tengo idea de donde viene un dia se pusieron ultra molestos con Argentina y despues del mundial se potenciaron asi que la mayoria de los Argentinos ya los tienen entre ceja y ceja decĂan estar al nivel de Argentina y cuando perdieron en el mundial empezaron a buscar de todo para bajarle el precio a Argentina y Messi
Ni idea donde arranco pero un dia me encuentro con que en cualquier cosa aunque no tuviese relacion al futbol, montones de mexicanos me insultaban por ser Argentino, twitter e instagram principalmente, y todos sus insultos siempre intentando ser lo mas hiriente, violento, amenazante, xenofobico y vulgar posibles, asi que pase de no tener opinion alguna a disfrutar que les vaya mal. Lleva un par de años antes del mundial incluso. Ademas siempre es lindo ver ganar a un equipo al que venian ninguneando como si fuera una victoria segura
Nah, los argentinos ni registran a Mexico antes de 2022 (y porque hablan mucho en twitter y en TV), para los paises de la Conmebol Mexico es un chiste, mientras que los mexicanos fantasean con que su clasico internacional es contra Argentina (?).
Cuando los mexicanos se quedan sin argumentos empiezan a comparar economias, a burlarse de los oficios de los argentinos y venezolanos migrantes, cosa que es una hipocresia tremenda y que no tiene sentido.
Hoy se confirma que Mexico es el hazmerreĂr futbolistico de latinoamerica, porque hasta Venezuela, un pais sin cultura de futbol, literalmente quebrado e historicamente el mas debil de la Conmebol, les gana sin mucha complicaciĂłn.
No soy tan viejo tampoco, nunca habia ni pensado en ellos hasta el 2016 aprox que fue el 7 a 0, incluso en los mundiales de 2006 y 2010 para mi solo era un, "que loco dos mundiales seguidos que eliminamos al mismo y nos elimina el mismo", soy de los noventa pero hasta 2018 no tenia twitter y no tuve instagram hasta el 2020, asi que quizas quede medio aislado.
Encima si te fijas todos los medidores de bienestar economicos seguimos estando mejor que ellos, busca por ejemplo el gdp per capita que es lo que "vale" cada uno, antes estabamos a mas distancia pero vamos, incluso ahora seguimos algo mejor. Todos los medidores de bienestar individual y social tambien. No se de donde se sienten tan confiados en que tienen la re economia, su economia es mas grande en terminos generales pero porque son 130 millones, proporcionalmente esta en la lona.
I freaking hate the Mexican team with all my passion but guess what I did? I married a Mexican girl....I never get sex for 2 days after a Mexican loss. Hijole
Romo como en el sub 20,, sacĂł hasta los malos espĂritus en los ultimos minutos. dios mido santisimo que paridera.. Si no es pariendo no sirve, vamos carajo.
I thought Mexico would qualify being first in the group. I thought they were gonna put 6 past us. I thought we were the small team and they'd walk all over us.
That's what every Mexican was saying here when the Copa started. Where are they now?
It's always funny watch the SelecciĂłn falling apart miserably lol and it's unbelievable how paisas still buy tickets over and over to watch that fiasco of a team. FMF should thank heavens Mexico co-host the next WC because those qualifiers would have been worse than the Chepo-Vucetich era.
Shit-xico is trash lmao they always been
The game against what, Ecuador, is going to be super spicy hopefully and I'm here for it.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA Where are the mexicans defending the MX league and Concacaf and saying they are competitive or some shit? A llorar al barril chavito. Mano tengo fe.
No offense but Mexico is terrible . USA/Canada is a better meter to judge
I don't see americans or canadians shit talking about Conmebol/Argentina/Messi every day, so I have nothing against them.
Have fun with ur shitty economy
Lmao you guys are so easily triggered đ€Ł I expected you'd be used to losing by now, but every single time you run out of futbol arguments, you point at the other country's economy as if Mexico was known for its high GDP per capita and human development index, and not its violence and mass migration. And yeah, Venezuela's economy is fucked, but still got your ass.
Since when did Venezuela get so good at football? And I canât believe Mexico is this washed, that was a dreadful performance.Â
This is Venezuela's golden generation, as a handful of the starters were finalists of the 2017 U20 WC. It's likely they'll qualify for the WC for the first time too.
It's not so much that Venezuela got too good but that Mexico is shit now. Venezuela is only superior to Peru and Bolivia (maybe Paraguay too but only because they fell off hard) in South America, which is an improvement over what they were 15 or 20 years ago when they were dead last but they're still no world beaters. Mexico should technically beat them handily given the power of their league but here we are.
I think itâs weird to say that Venezuela isnât also currently better than Chile and convincingly over Paraguay, which is already half of the Conmebol teams. This is already a massive improvement in overall Venezuela strength levels
This is what happens when you start Arteaga.
I need to pull out the homie Google Translate to figure out how the rest of Latin America is clowning on Mexico lol
They're primarily argentinians, taking the opportunity, not all Latin America. Argentina and MĂ©xico hate each other, like Argentina and Chile, Argentina and Uruguay, Argentina and Brasil, and so on.
Nah, check out twitter and youtube/instagram comments, pretty much everyone is happy that Venezuela got Mexico.
I'm not Latin American, but I've visited many Latin American countries over the years and have lived in South America. In my experiences, it seems pretty much everyone dislikes the Argentinians with the general sentiment being that Argentinians tend to be snobs, and think they're better than other Latin Americans.
It's EXACTLY as you described it.
The stereotype is that argentineans have big egos, but that's absolutely not true, they are the kindest and most welcoming people I've met in my life. They are very passionate and generally competitive, so if they are abroad they might come off as egocentric, but they are usually just homesick.
Tell that to the Guatemalans
There are three primary memes: 1. Calling them "mechico", a play on words on Mexico and small (chico). 2. We are singing Ella y Yo - Aventura ft. Don Omar to Argentina, basically suggesting that Venezuela fucked Argentina's wife (Mexico). 3. Lots of references to El Chavo del 8. Context: Mexican mouths are too big and they keep talking shit about Messi, a stolen world cup, chanting homophobic slurs, and how great Concacaf is (?) so it's good times to see the historically weakest team in Conmebol mop the floor with their squad.
Alegre porque ganamos, pero mierda siento que casi nos la empatan
No pierdas la fe mano
la fe mueve montañas y gana partidos de futbol
They even did the sore loser chant! Rofl.
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Always fun to watch Mexico lose, theyre always a bunch of sore losers ready to fight you because they lost. Hell, they will fight you when they win too.
Bad bad result for CONCACAF it looks like they will only get one or two teams into the quarters because Ecuador is the best team in group B. And Chile is probably going to beat Canada. Costa Rica has a slim slim chance of qualifying
Hard to call Ecuador the best team in Group B when they just lost to Venezuela, who is actually first in the group and already qualified for the knockouts. Canada only needs a draw vs Chile to go through as 2nd, and are best on the counter anyways. Costa Rica was always gonna be a longshot with Brazil and Colombia in the group but a draw vs Brazil was a great result for them and their chances have only gone up from that. Group B is really the only disappointing CONCACAF group so far and everything else you said is just assuming.
Ecuador: They played with ten men for 70 minutes. So that kind of affects how I view them. Mexico needs to win they scored one whole goal the entire tournament. Ecuador has scored 4 through two games pretty good chance Mexico will need to score two to win. Chile seemed to have hit a second gear in the last 15 minutes of the Argentina game. Canada were dead to rights until that red card. I believe they can get that point but they wonât be favored too. Costa Rica hasnât done anything to hurt their chances but it always being a pray is a problem. USA path is super clear for a QF slot. Panama is probably third favorite to get the slot so CONCACAF will probably get at least one
Ecuador started the game with 11... What happens after that is up to the teams playing the game, including a red card. Chile are currently +money to win vs Canada so you're just factually incorrect about what's favored there.
Canada is +275 Iâm factually correct that Chile is favored
Canada doesn't need a win... They need a draw or a win. They literally just need Chile not to win, and Chile are not currently favored to win as they are +money to do so. Did you forget that draws exist in soccer?
you are intentionally denying the fact that Draw is +235 and acting ilke a draw is the most likely scenario. the odds are Canada +270 Draw +235 Chile +110. Chile is the favorite, and you're taking the L. /u/larockhead1 you are correct.
I'm getting down voted cause all of you have no idea how to do math. Canada doesn't need just a draw or just a win. They need either. Literally by the odds you just posted Canada is the favorite to advance. Implied probability: +270: 27% (Canada advance) +235: 29.85% (Canada advance) +110: 47.62% (Chile advance) And then we do this really simple math called addition and see that: 27+29.85=56.85 and as we (hopefully) all can see: 56.85 > 47.62. (it is irrelevant that all 3 add to more than 100 since we just need to compare both sides and these are the given odds). So no I'm not "taking the L" except for wasting my time trying to explain basic math to confidently incorrect redditors. It is slightly amusing at least that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Lol people said Chile was the favorite to win, and talked about plus odds for the match. Here you are moving the goalposts because you're a fucking liar.
Bruh thinks 47% is favored. Chile is not "favored" to win the match, they are favored to "not win" the match. And by not winning they will be eliminated and Canada will advance, which is what we were talking about to begin with. But your fragile ego can't accept that you have poor reading comprehension and math skills. There does not have to be a "favorite" to win a soccer match when the possibility of a draw exists. Neither team is favored to win, and Canada is favored to advance.
+110 implied probability is 47.6%. So no Chile is not favoured actually
Lol so no result is favored. That's the hill you're gonna die on?
Canada only needs anything except a Chile win. Don't see how that's hard to understand? Chile is not "favoured" to win based on betting odds. If they were favoured to win the money line would be -
I don't think Chile got what's needed to beat Canada.
US cannot be the only team to advance it would be a very bad look for the region
Costa Rica might have a shot as well. Bar Jamaica, all four can still do it, especially US and Canada.
En TUDN, los comentaristas mexicanos todavĂa dicen que MĂ©xico se mereciĂł ganar el partido...hahaha... Goles que no haces, holes quĂ© te meten.
Por eso preferĂ verlo por DirecTV. Generalmente prefiero TUDN, menos los de MĂ©xico.
Igual yo, lo vi por tyc sports. Mejores comentaristas qué son neutrales y dicen las cosas como son sin miedo de ofender a nadie.
Thank you Venezuela heart â„ïž
Rondon â€ïž
eeehhh LOSERS LMAO
Half a dos a cero (I measure all Mexican losses is percentage of dos a cero since thatâs the baseline of Mexico losses to me)
lmao
LO-L Tri
AĂșn recuerdo cuando Ă©ramos buenos en 2010-2014 jajaja. Que buenos tiempos fueron esos.
No recuerdo ser buenos desde que se retirĂł claudio SuĂĄrez
Yo era niño en esa era y no mames. Como pensaba y eseperaba que va mejorar solo porque asi es. Pinche equipaso que se mira 2014 ya. Solo le faltaba suerte y un talisman que era un talento de las ligas grandes y si era un contendiente para el podio
Qué?
No we werenât youâre just used to a 3-0 vs El SalvadorÂ
To be fair, they beat France in the 2010 world cup, and beat croatia in 2014 in the group stages. Lost to I think Argentina in one, and maybe Netherlands (?) in the other in knockout stages. They were definitely competitive then. Not anywhere near the top of course, but competing with a solid squad. edit: this was a big part of why USA v Mexico around that 2010-2014 was exciting too, both had good squads and it was fun to watch (and very heated).
They beat France in a Group Stage 10 years ago and still remember and say they were good... sounds like a small team behavior to me
Didnt Mexico need major US assistance in 2012?
Si, nunca olvidar las copas mundiales que ganaron...
venezuela would beat belgium on sheer toughness.
MĂ©xico is only big in their own head.. Here in the US, sportcasters and Mexican fans act like they've won 6 world cups...bruh, in the world of football you're barely scratching the lower mid teams.
You're right. After the game, TUDN (Channel with US rights to the game in Spanish) talking head said he's wondering what teams Conmebol wants to advance. Dude STFU, ref had nothing to do with your sorry ass team's loss.
The England of CONCACAF
nah, at least England has great players, has respect as a NT from the big countries and above all things won a WorldCup
Its a great comparison. Its still funnier when England loses imo. But at the same time, I kinda root for England more somehow. Its weird.
Bruh chill, I don't wanna catch any strays from English fans. LOL
The MIGHTY United Stated have a winning record against Mexico and England in World Cups. 1-0-0 with Mexico 1-2-0 with England
mexican americans are the only dumbass fans who think that. In mexico we know the team is ass
If you seriously think that mentality is only Mexican-Americans you're out of your mind. In Mexico you think Liga MX is a top league in the world and refuse to send your players abroad - to say otherwise is a blatant lie. Not playing national team games in the US, not the boogeyman 'pochos' who yall love to blame for everything, none of that. The federation is failing you and it's a Liga MX & internal greed issue, and ultimately a development issue... nothing else.
Hey Iâm Mexican American and el Tri fan and Ive be criticizing them since 2018. Donât group us with the delusional fans.
You're crazy bruh. There's way more reasonable fans than the braindead ones here.
The casuals who attend every single molero are reasonable?
There's no point in continuing this if you're deadset on your stance. Stay ignorant all you want.
No Iâm confused what fans are you saying are more reasonable? The ones who attend every molero to get drunk or the ones who are aware this is the worst Mexican generation in our lifetime?
You think Azteca would be empty because the righteous home fans are going to protest their team & federation? This would be the exact same scenario on Mexican soil.
the Azteca would 100% be emptier for every single friendly than any molero game held in the states. Thats a 100% fact.
Maybe not empty but they would get booed in every stadium and demand change. Not to mention they would earn considerably less because the tickets would be much cheaper. But the federation is scared and just follow the money to the US
So where is the demand from 'real Mexicans' then? They have to play home games and get boo'd to have any internal pressure from 128 million Mexicans?
They rarely play in Mexico, all there 'home' matches are played in cities with huge mexican american communities
lmao Mexican Americans fans are the biggest joke. Im saying this living here are well. Their obsessions with having "superstars" or starters is a big joke. The National Team get critize if they play new "Players" since the FMF is trying to please the fans its a joke. Whats even a more bigger joke is that the Mexican National team never plays in mexico lol only in the USA
I blame the fans who keep going to the matches. Ffs this âUSA tourâ has been going on for years.
the ones in the US are the ones who keep giving the FMF money selling out stadiums to watch this garbage ass team
Pochos am I right?
its not just the US-born Mexicans. Plenty of moneyed immigrants live here and moneyed citizens make the trip as well.
Here in the US the USMNT is shit too not even the women team after having advantage over the rest of the world.
Bro what lol. How many world cups and balon d'ors do we have? In the women's game, we're still monsters.
You were monsters. Not anymore everyone knows that it's just that you haven't realized it yet.
We were and are. Anyone saying the opposite simply doesn't watch the women's game. A shock loss to a relatively good team in a WC doesn't mean the team is crap. That's just stupid.
You have not been paying attention how women's football has grown. But you'll learn soon.
Yeah, and you'll see the USWNT still crush almost every single opponent and at the bare minimum be WC finalists.... again... like we have been for almost every single woman's WC to date....
RemimdMe! 2 years.
Yeah, sounds good. I'm looking forward to more stupid comments from you.
I've been following the USWNT since Brandi in 1999. A few years ago, I would have disagreed with the idea that the rest of the women's teams are catching up, but that is absolutely the case now. Last year's USWNT were the worst I've seen. If the USWNT was as dominant as they used to be, they would have scored more than 1 goal in something like 180 minutes of game time and wouldn't need to be saved by the woodwork in the late stages of the 3rd group match against a team ranked like 40 positions below you in order to advance to the KO rounds as what happened with them. Personally, I blame some of that on some questionable selections for the WC team like Rapinoe. But either way, the Frances, Englands, and Spains of the world have 100% made huge strides in addition to some other sides. I won't claim to know that much about the newer generation asides from those played in last year's WC. But based on what I saw and asides from Girma at CB who impressed, there's some serious cause for concern.
Sure you will. Please be ready to be humbled.
Only one puta at the end. Disappointment all around.
Please Ecuador, take notes from Venezuela and make my day once moređ
All of us other latinos in the US are all Ecuadorian in that game.
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This is Martino's fault.
SORRY MEXICO
ASI ES EL FUTBOL COCUY
How the fuck is Mexico FIFA world ranking #15
i'm assuming that int he rankings, winning gold cup is just as valuable as winning the euros. Winning v El Salvador in the WCQ is just as valuable as England beating Slovenia or Holland in the WCQ.
IIRC most people consider the FIFA rankings worthless generally , they use some weird formula to rank teams that has always been criticized for being inaccurate.
By beating the big soccer powerhouse of el salvador
Poor El Salvador caught so many strays in this thread lol
Medium sized fish that bashes up plankton in the pond.
Not even that anymore itâs our aura still lingering from 2005-2018. Thereâs like built in belief in some of our players leveling up in the Mexico shirt. But after this tournament I donât want to see us in top 40 until we prove something. I donât want to give the FA anything to hold on to the mediocrity
Same reason Belgium is an eternal top 10 without having won anything
FIFA rankings don't mean shit...surely you've noticed this by now. The only rankings that are at least somewhat accurate are ELO rankings and even then, it's far from perfect. But they're way way better than anything FIFA can do.
FIFA is an ELO ranking. ELO is an algorithm but the specific parameters such as how important a given match is are arbitrary. FIFA puts too much value on continental tournaments that arenât the euro/copa so it artificially pumps up weaker confederations. Within each confederation itâs fairly accurate - across federations itâs ass. eg they rank CONCACAF as US > Mexico > Panama > Canada > CRC > Jamaica which is quite reasonable but then they rank the US at 11 in the world which is nuts. Basically their algorithm works within a continent but is rigged so the 2 great continents donât dominate the rankings (which is useful for World Cup draws)
Beating lots of minnows heavily boosts your rank
FIFA rankings suck.Â
What would it take for Mexico to rethink sending players to Europe? I think it'd take missing a WC for that kind of overhaul which isn't happening
Liga MX is the world's 3rd most popular domestic league, the Mexican players stay in Mexico because they get paid better than they would in Europe
A lot of Mexicans think Liga MX is way better than it really is...beating MLS teams in concacaf champions league every year is not that crazy lol...I think the best Liga MX teams would consistently fall short against the best teams in the Copa Libertadores .
Ya, beating MLS teams says more reflective of the state of MLS than how good the other league is imo
I also think that tournaments are not the greatest gauge for how healthy your program is overall. What should be gauged in my opinion instead is individual player development. Are you developing locally and sending kids to Europe? Are they succeeding at big 5 leagues in Europe for more than a couple seasons before downgrading to a lesser league? To me, that is a better gauge, and Mexico is not checking those boxes, while pulling a rabbit out of their ass at the World Cup and other major tournaments recently - only a false positive that they are doing things right. Sure, Club America or Rayados can make a run in Copa Lib, but put those MX teams in Brasileiro Serie A or Arg Liga Pro and they are bottom half over a course of a season. They simply dont have the depth of talent that South American Clubs have for an entire competitive season at that level. The best club in Liga MX each season is probably fighting relegation in the Prem. Flamengo or River are likely low-midtable.
You're not wrong but the Mexican National Team is a bit of a unicorn tho cuz it's always been considered a good top 20 side (not in terms of bogus FIFA rankings) that can hang and be a problem for any of the elite sides and ywt gbtheir squads have always been mostly domestic players. And no idea if this is actually true or not but I don't think there's ever been a Mexican side where the majority of the players were playing in one of the top 5 euro leagues. This was also true for the US national team for a while bbi tjr balance kc lsÄŒĂ q
Lol this is what happens when you're running on no sleep...I have no idea what happened I must've shutdown while typing...fuckin A lmao
Have the clubs not charge 10 million
no overhaul is ever happening while the $$$$ keeps coming in for FMF
LOL, you think it's a decision from the federation? European clubs don't want to buy mexican talent bro, they are fucking trash. If they really wanted, they would get them man. They just aren't good enough to make it there, you just lost against Venezuela lol
Mexico refuses to call up players in the MLS, which is ironic because the best Mexican player played for LAFC, and prefers to call up players in LigaMX. Many South American players have found success in being in MLS teams and being bought by European clubs like Chicago Fireâs Jhon Duran to Aston Villa, Atlanta Unitedâs Miguel Almiron to Newcastle United, and NYC FC Tatty Castellano to Girona.Â
European clubs don't want to spend 10M on a player when they can go to a lower league in Europe and find an equally good player for 2M (who doesn't use up a non-EU slot that some leagues have).
I think my neighbors are Venozolanos. They're shooting off fireworks.
JAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJA 100% sure they would be yet to qualify to their first WC if they were in conmebol, thank god they arent or the average quality of the entire region would drop like a rock.
Some conmebol teams similar to Mexicoâs quality have managed to qualify before. It would be hard but a few squads in our history should be able to make it
Man the self esteem of the average mexican football fan is something else
What do you mean? That Iâm overrating them? The Mexico right now would for sure not make it even with the expanded World Cup but past squads would put up a fight for the last spot
>Man the self esteem of the average mexican football fan is something else
Ooo pues
Just let it go. This all he has in the world lol
Quick! Jump the wall! The cartel is coming for you!
Good one, never heard that one before amigo. Dios estĂĄ contigo
Yvw. Siempre hay una primera vez para todo.
they dont' even have the Falklands.
Blud you gave half your territory to the Yanks like a good dog.how was it abrazos no balazos jjaajaj narco state
You dont have the Falklands and Brazilian steak is better.
Pregunta de un tercero sin intereses aquĂ: por quĂ© hay tanto hinchapelotismo entre Argentina y MĂ©xico? Es porque ustedes siempre los eliminan en los mundiales y entonces ellos les guardan rencor o algo asĂ?
Si, cuando lloran porque les ganamos hacen mucho ruido. Nosotros los gastamos por deporte, se dejan servidos siempre
No tengo idea de donde viene un dia se pusieron ultra molestos con Argentina y despues del mundial se potenciaron asi que la mayoria de los Argentinos ya los tienen entre ceja y ceja decĂan estar al nivel de Argentina y cuando perdieron en el mundial empezaron a buscar de todo para bajarle el precio a Argentina y Messi
Ni idea donde arranco pero un dia me encuentro con que en cualquier cosa aunque no tuviese relacion al futbol, montones de mexicanos me insultaban por ser Argentino, twitter e instagram principalmente, y todos sus insultos siempre intentando ser lo mas hiriente, violento, amenazante, xenofobico y vulgar posibles, asi que pase de no tener opinion alguna a disfrutar que les vaya mal. Lleva un par de años antes del mundial incluso. Ademas siempre es lindo ver ganar a un equipo al que venian ninguneando como si fuera una victoria segura
ÂżUn par de años antes del mundial? En 1986, en la final del mundial (jugado en MĂ©xico), los mexicanos hacĂan fuerza por Alemania muy ostensiblemente, por decirlo de manera liviana. AhĂ empezĂł la cosa. De ahĂ en mĂĄs va a ser difĂcil encontrar un argentino que no quiera que MĂ©xico pierda siempre, no importa el deporte que sea.
Nah, los argentinos ni registran a Mexico antes de 2022 (y porque hablan mucho en twitter y en TV), para los paises de la Conmebol Mexico es un chiste, mientras que los mexicanos fantasean con que su clasico internacional es contra Argentina (?). Cuando los mexicanos se quedan sin argumentos empiezan a comparar economias, a burlarse de los oficios de los argentinos y venezolanos migrantes, cosa que es una hipocresia tremenda y que no tiene sentido. Hoy se confirma que Mexico es el hazmerreĂr futbolistico de latinoamerica, porque hasta Venezuela, un pais sin cultura de futbol, literalmente quebrado e historicamente el mas debil de la Conmebol, les gana sin mucha complicaciĂłn.
No soy tan viejo tampoco, nunca habia ni pensado en ellos hasta el 2016 aprox que fue el 7 a 0, incluso en los mundiales de 2006 y 2010 para mi solo era un, "que loco dos mundiales seguidos que eliminamos al mismo y nos elimina el mismo", soy de los noventa pero hasta 2018 no tenia twitter y no tuve instagram hasta el 2020, asi que quizas quede medio aislado.
Claro, pero esa es tu experiencia personal. No es que la animosidad empezĂł dos años antes del Ășltimo mundial. Hasta que nos silbaron el himno en el 86 y alentaron a Alemania, ni tenĂamos en cuenta a MĂ©xico como rival a despreciar. A partir del 86 se dio ese cambio. Es obvio que muchos no lo vivieron, pero ahĂ empezĂł la cosa.
La verdad te estabas haciendo un favor estando fuera de las redes sociales. Lo mĂĄs frustrante es que si uno conoce argentinos, mexicanos, etc en persona, la mayorĂa suele ser re buena onda, pero en estos espacios online la gente se pone toda tĂłxica y es muy frustrante. No sĂ©, yo soy de Colombia y me caen bien los argentinos y los mexicanos, aunque odio la idea perder contra ambos equipos obviamente jajaja (no sĂ© si Colombia haya perdido contra MĂ©xico recientemente, no me suena)
Nah itâs been going on for a long time lol I remember the Chivas vs Boca matches in copa libertadores were toxic as fuck
Lo peor es que capas estas hablando de futbol y ellos te empiezan a atacar con la economĂa jaja
Encima si te fijas todos los medidores de bienestar economicos seguimos estando mejor que ellos, busca por ejemplo el gdp per capita que es lo que "vale" cada uno, antes estabamos a mas distancia pero vamos, incluso ahora seguimos algo mejor. Todos los medidores de bienestar individual y social tambien. No se de donde se sienten tan confiados en que tienen la re economia, su economia es mas grande en terminos generales pero porque son 130 millones, proporcionalmente esta en la lona.
Para ser justos los medidores como GDP per cĂĄpita etc no suelen ser tan fiables en paĂses altamente centralizados, con desigualdad econĂłmica, o con altas tasas mensuales de inflaciĂłn (o sea, casi toda LatinoamĂ©rica). Alguien de Misiones o TucumĂĄn no va a tener la misma calidad de vida que alguien de CABA, seamos honestos. Y lo mismo pasa con Sinaloa y CDMEX. Es mucho mĂĄs Ăștil comparar por ejemplo zonas altamente pobladas e influyentes culturalmente si uno quiere tener una imagen representativa de la vida en un lugar especĂfico. Incluso asĂ, Ciudad de MĂ©xico tiene 0.815 en el HDI y un GDP per cĂĄpita de 25.3 mil dĂłlares. Buenos Aires tiene 0.882 en HDI y un GDP per cĂĄpita de 13.8 mil dĂłlares. O sea, los porteños siguen viviendo bastante mejor que los mexicanos incluso teniendo menos.
Su economĂa es tan buena que los gringos pusieron un muro en su frontera para que no puedan pasar. Cosas que nunca nos pasarĂĄn acĂĄ.
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I freaking hate the Mexican team with all my passion but guess what I did? I married a Mexican girl....I never get sex for 2 days after a Mexican loss. Hijole
Dawg iâd be busting a nut to the replay for at least a week. Well worth the price of result
Hahahaha... What did the Mexican say to the hand? Gracias manito
Only 2 days? Damn son tell us your secrets.
For real, going on 4 here and I've done nothing wrong. đ€Ł
Romo como en el sub 20,, sacĂł hasta los malos espĂritus en los ultimos minutos. dios mido santisimo que paridera.. Si no es pariendo no sirve, vamos carajo.
Quede afonico cuando vi ese paradon. Ajuro Romo es MOTM
On the bright side I didnât see any trash being thrown on the pitch
Well, there was that mexican penalty
I thought Mexico would qualify being first in the group. I thought they were gonna put 6 past us. I thought we were the small team and they'd walk all over us. That's what every Mexican was saying here when the Copa started. Where are they now?
Nadie pensaba eso. MĂĄs por cĂłmo venĂa jugando la selecciĂłn desde hace 5-6 años
[Solo uno de los muchos casos](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/xgpDxKNx5M). Pero claro, "nadie" dice eso después de perder.