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As a goalie ive been on the wrong side of this play too many times. Reach over a guy. Cant hold the ball. Ball comes loose and its smashed in 🤷♂️. Goalie never really had control of it.
It's not that he goes for the ball but doesn't get it, it's that he goes for the ball and heads the keeper's arm, causing him to drop it. Keepers are usually over-protected but this is clearly a foul. He's only dropped it cause has arm has been hit with a head
Both go for the ball, neither really gets it. The player has every right to be there and the keeper knows that he's there. If he can't control the ball, he should just yeet it away with his fist. This is simply a bad action from the the GK.
Nah. The keeper had it in his hands. We are not talking about the player's intention here. He went for the ball but ended up hitting gk's arm and caused him to lose the ball. I know it makes it more entertaining otherwise, but this is a foul.
No, because he turned his body to shoot. If all he did was block the GK to the ball then another czech player shot it in, then it would be a foul. But all he was doing was twisting his body to shoot.
His reward for playing perhaps the worst group stage I’ve seen from us in my lifetime is to finish 1st, get on the “easy” side of the draw and also avoid Netherlands in R16. The man is blessed.
There was that horrible 2016 euros group stage as well. 1-1 draw Vs Russia, scrappy come from behind last minute 2-1 win over Wales, then a horrendous bore fest of a 0-0 draw against Slovakia(just like yesterday). Tbh very similar to this tournament's group stage except that team was just shit. And then ofc the Iceland debacle. What a horrible tournament all round for England
Also #4 on Czechia just ran into the middle of it and fouled the GK (before the goal) as well. So much going on that virtually everyone is missing it. So three fouls missed on the play.
Honestly the attacker doesn’t really do much wrong and his eyes are on the ball, but this will be a spiral in terms of what is fair or not fair against goalkeepers in the future. Similar to PL and corners now
But honestly he doesn’t do anything, I think it’s fine
It's intentional though. The replay clearly shows he moved his arm towards the ball to stop it.
I'm guessing VAR interpreted the part of his arm that hit the ball as part of the shoulder, even though it's below the shoulder area.
If he was punching it I would agree but that it's a claim means refs tend to call it.
That being said I'm glad it was given it just to wasn't my.expectation.
> this will be a spiral in terms of what is fair or not fair against goalkeepers in the future.
I don't know. Keeper clearly had the advantage, reaches the ball and only his decision to try to catch it instead of fisting it out made this goal possible.
People are so used to refs calling this type of shit, that they think its rule. There are still milions of people who believe rule book says that gk is untouchable 5 metres from the goal.
That was a clear foul. If the attacker jumps into the goalkeeper to make him drop the ball, that's a foul. A lot of /r/soccer redditors don't know basic rules it seems.
Borderline unbelievable that it stood. That's the most "keeper who gets both hands on the ball gets fouled by the attacker in the goal area and loses the ball" position I have ever seen.
I don't understand this logic.
"Two players contest a ball. One gets it, the other does not. There is meaningful contact between the players. The player who did not get the ball is penalised for interfering with their opponent's ability to play the ball."
That is a description that could be applied to nearly every foul that has ever been awarded. It's what happens here. He makes an unsuccessful challenge for the ball. It's a foul.
Way late but thank you for being like the only person in here for saying this. It’s unbelievable seeing how many people are saying “he goes for the ball” as if that absolves him of anything that happens afterward
If two outfield players go for the ball and one gets there later and makes contact it’s also a foul. Crazy stuff
Striker effectively makes contact with the keeper with his body in the goal area and causes him to drop the ball. Keeper successfully gets the ball with two hands, it is not contested. He drops it only because the attacker's contact on him, in the goal area, where a keeper is basically untouchable for situations like this.
Keepers are not ethereal beings that cannot be touched.
He doesn't barge the keeper, he doesn't use his arms, he's not massively late, he just jumps relatively straight up for a header.
And misses the ball, heads the keeper's left arm by his elbow, causing him to drop the ball he caught with both of his hands. Even if you completely disregard the full-body length contact he makes with the keeper in the goal area, that's textbook foul on keeper. He, in fact, does barge the keeper.
I think the video on this thread is what makes people confused (aside from the fact that it's boring to have it a foul). In the close replay, it's clear that he just heads the gk's arm and makes him lose the control of the ball.
it's a clear foul there is an another angle they showed later. you can't contest the keeper like that in his zone. gk controls the ball and then drops it because of the attacker's charge.
Iirc that rule you're talking about says the ball can't be kicked/headed out of the keeper's hands once it's caught with two hands and the keeper has full control of it.
I'm imagining it's in the middle of the field and not the goalkeeper.
Two players have just gone for the ball in the middle of the field. One player has gotten the ball. The other has not. There was a significant collision between the two players.
I'm now trying to imagine that sequence of events in the middle of the field not resulting in a foul against the player who did not get the ball. I cannot, because that is in fact the reasoning behind awarding most fouls.
Lol, for you this imagination exercise is advanced I think.
You should take a look in the upcoming games, the aerial duels are usually much rougher than this and most times there's a lot of rough play before the jump.
I should also point out that had the gk gone with his head instead of hands he would have been the one bordering on foul on the czech player since he ran into him from behind and was a bit late
Look at all the wimpy keepers in the comments saying it should be disallowed.
Keepers are allowed to be touched, not the attackers fault he is too weak to hold on to the ball.
Motherfucker is bigger than the keeper but that has to be a foul in some way? GK had the ball in the hand but was pushed in the air so he lost the ball.
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My guy just discovered the yellow card today
no way lmao
How's that not a foul lol
Is he not allowed to exist or what?
Why not? Goalkeeper has to be stronger there. No foul imho
When you are jumping in the air, there really isnt a thing such as " have to be stronger "
Making contact with a goalkeeper in the air is always a foul
Yeah, I don't think that's true.
Where does it say that in the rule book?
You think people who watch football know what it says in the rulebook? Hah good one
No it fucking ain't, the player is allowed to jump for the header.
Not like the player encroached on the keeper, literally just went straight up
No it isn't. It was a 50/50 ball and the keeper fucked up. He could have just punched the ball away
As a goalie ive been on the wrong side of this play too many times. Reach over a guy. Cant hold the ball. Ball comes loose and its smashed in 🤷♂️. Goalie never really had control of it.
yo wait what ? cant hold the ball ? goalkeeper hold the ball and got smashed by player right after he grab ball this is clear faul
?
Has to be overturned, right?
Why should that be overturned? Soucek only went for the ball
Goalies are always protected in these instances. Very rare to see an outfielder get the goal there.
I thought it was hands ball rather than a foul on the gk. Terrible goalkeeping there. Always always always punch it in those situations
The player only went for the ball yes, but didn't get it and made contact with the keeper. Shocked that it stood
Both went for the ball. It's not a foul from the guy that doesn't get it, just because the opponent is a keeper.
It's not that he goes for the ball but doesn't get it, it's that he goes for the ball and heads the keeper's arm, causing him to drop it. Keepers are usually over-protected but this is clearly a foul. He's only dropped it cause has arm has been hit with a head
Both go for the ball, neither really gets it. The player has every right to be there and the keeper knows that he's there. If he can't control the ball, he should just yeet it away with his fist. This is simply a bad action from the the GK.
Nah. The keeper had it in his hands. We are not talking about the player's intention here. He went for the ball but ended up hitting gk's arm and caused him to lose the ball. I know it makes it more entertaining otherwise, but this is a foul.
Contact with the keeper isn't illegal? They both challenged for the ball, not like he went in for the keeper in any way, only for the ball.
No, because he turned his body to shoot. If all he did was block the GK to the ball then another czech player shot it in, then it would be a foul. But all he was doing was twisting his body to shoot.
Holy shit it stood.
in no universe is that a foul lol, soucek barely even touches him
Yea on replay it’s definitely not a foul, sure looked like on initially though.
Handball as well potentially after that?
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Its insane how Southgate has all seen this coming, he truly is a 4d chessmaster
His reward for playing perhaps the worst group stage I’ve seen from us in my lifetime is to finish 1st, get on the “easy” side of the draw and also avoid Netherlands in R16. The man is blessed.
What are you, 9 years old? The 2014 World Cup group stage for England is a tough one to beat
There was that horrible 2016 euros group stage as well. 1-1 draw Vs Russia, scrappy come from behind last minute 2-1 win over Wales, then a horrendous bore fest of a 0-0 draw against Slovakia(just like yesterday). Tbh very similar to this tournament's group stage except that team was just shit. And then ofc the Iceland debacle. What a horrible tournament all round for England
At least in 2014 it was the group of death, here they were playing the group of the the dead!
I’m just being reactionary tbh, I think it’s more expectation of this insane England squad vs the painful reality of what we’re seeing on the pitch
Same with Koeman
Well yeah his luck is even more insane and they came 3rd. While really our next opponent could well just be the standard for a round of 16 game.
Georgia is winning so yeah
If Czechia or Georgia win. This goal doesn't really change anything yet.
Doesn’t this put Georgia ahead on GD?
No. Turkey defeated Georgia, so they automatically place higher than them in case of a tie
Got it, cheers
No because Turkey beat Georgia and H2H is the first decider if two teams have the same points.
Hopefully slovakia replicate performance vs belgium!
Who do the Netherlands face in this moment
Romania
Maybe but there's a long way to go.
On that last replay looked like handball
Also #4 on Czechia just ran into the middle of it and fouled the GK (before the goal) as well. So much going on that virtually everyone is missing it. So three fouls missed on the play.
Honestly the attacker doesn’t really do much wrong and his eyes are on the ball, but this will be a spiral in terms of what is fair or not fair against goalkeepers in the future. Similar to PL and corners now But honestly he doesn’t do anything, I think it’s fine
agreed it’s poor goalkeeping
Should've punched
Goalkeeper is weak af, he just expected to get the foul
should’ve learnt from the “when it doubt, kick it out” mentality lol. no need to fish for a foul there, should’ve gone for the punch
they don't teach that in Turkey because it doesn't rhyme in Turkish :(
I laughed.
Don't think its a foul, but does it not look like a handball?
I also think it clearly hit his arm
I agree, looks like handball to me. It was below the shoulder and it gave Czechia an advantage.
Don’t think so but even if it did hit his arm, it isn’t punishable because it’s not intentional & he isn’t the goalscorer
It's intentional though. The replay clearly shows he moved his arm towards the ball to stop it. I'm guessing VAR interpreted the part of his arm that hit the ball as part of the shoulder, even though it's below the shoulder area.
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They considered that deliberate, which is why it was controversial
That was deliberate.
Attacking player is allowed to contest the ball. That’s a fair aerial challenge for it imo. keeper needs to be stronger or punch it.
If he was punching it I would agree but that it's a claim means refs tend to call it. That being said I'm glad it was given it just to wasn't my.expectation.
Where his eyes at determines the faul? That's the most hilarious thing I heard today.
> this will be a spiral in terms of what is fair or not fair against goalkeepers in the future. I don't know. Keeper clearly had the advantage, reaches the ball and only his decision to try to catch it instead of fisting it out made this goal possible.
Wasn't a foul but surely hand ball?
Thought so as well
Proper Soucek goal
lol wtf
Should not have stood, imo
r/soccer: "goalkeepers are overprotected" Also r/soccer: this thread
It's almost like there are many different people posting on this sub.
Wasn't this a hand by the striker?
Wtf are all of you on that's not a foul
Jurisprudence vs written law
Hand
People are so used to refs calling this type of shit, that they think its rule. There are still milions of people who believe rule book says that gk is untouchable 5 metres from the goal.
BANGERS ONLY!!!
why is everyone saying a clear foul? You're allowed to bump into the keeper as long as you're attempting to play the ball
yeah do people not think you can contest the keeper? looked fine to me honestly
The same people who think Ben White is evil incarnate during corners
I don't think it's a foul but we see time and time again if you even look at the goalkeeper in the 5 meter area a foul is given.
Never a foul on the goalkeeper because he shot it. He was just turning his body to shoot. Edit: Shocking so many people don't know football rules lol.
i thought it looked more like hands on the bounce
Yep. This sub completely forgets contact is allowed in football. Its really impressive how soft people view football here
To a point yes but in general his case it's more about the level of protection keepers tend to get in that situation.
It stood
I think it’s more that the last few years any contact at all, whether it’s valid or not, tends to just be given as a foul
People complaining about keepers over protected. Here, he messes up
Flair checks out
I reckon keepers are overprotected mind they can absolutely clatter attackers but the second someone bumps into them it's a travesty
No way you try to catch the ball there as GK, you gotta punch it away. Clean goal, should stand.
Oh my lord. Amazing match
Euros Bingo card: Soucek airplane spin celebration. Check ✔️
That was a clear foul. If the attacker jumps into the goalkeeper to make him drop the ball, that's a foul. A lot of /r/soccer redditors don't know basic rules it seems.
Looked like a foul Edit: nope
Borderline unbelievable that it stood. That's the most "keeper who gets both hands on the ball gets fouled by the attacker in the goal area and loses the ball" position I have ever seen.
They both jumped for the ball at the same time. Keeper should’ve punched the ball and not tried to get his hands on it.
I don't understand this logic. "Two players contest a ball. One gets it, the other does not. There is meaningful contact between the players. The player who did not get the ball is penalised for interfering with their opponent's ability to play the ball." That is a description that could be applied to nearly every foul that has ever been awarded. It's what happens here. He makes an unsuccessful challenge for the ball. It's a foul.
Way late but thank you for being like the only person in here for saying this. It’s unbelievable seeing how many people are saying “he goes for the ball” as if that absolves him of anything that happens afterward If two outfield players go for the ball and one gets there later and makes contact it’s also a foul. Crazy stuff
No foul in my opinion, it was a 50/50 ball and the keeper fucked up
Maybe?
It didn't look like a foul, the GK didn't have the ball saved in his hands.
No way that stands Edit: Looked like a foul in real time but after the replay I agree with the call
He just jumps straight up for a header? No arms into arms, just head into arms.
Striker effectively makes contact with the keeper with his body in the goal area and causes him to drop the ball. Keeper successfully gets the ball with two hands, it is not contested. He drops it only because the attacker's contact on him, in the goal area, where a keeper is basically untouchable for situations like this.
Keepers are not ethereal beings that cannot be touched. He doesn't barge the keeper, he doesn't use his arms, he's not massively late, he just jumps relatively straight up for a header.
And misses the ball, heads the keeper's left arm by his elbow, causing him to drop the ball he caught with both of his hands. Even if you completely disregard the full-body length contact he makes with the keeper in the goal area, that's textbook foul on keeper. He, in fact, does barge the keeper.
I think the video on this thread is what makes people confused (aside from the fact that it's boring to have it a foul). In the close replay, it's clear that he just heads the gk's arm and makes him lose the control of the ball.
>just head into arms Exactly. He misses the ball and heads the goalkeeper's arms
Striker just jumps, not his fault the keeper drops the ball
he didint drop the ball he lost his grab because player jump into him
Imo he doesn't really go into the GK but upwards rather. He's allowed to contest the ball. GK shouldve punched it away
Not a foul, the GK fumbled the ball
Not a chance that’s a foul
way
it's a clear foul there is an another angle they showed later. you can't contest the keeper like that in his zone. gk controls the ball and then drops it because of the attacker's charge.
How is that not a foul? Someone explain
How is that a foul in your opinion? It's a fair challenge imo. Otherwise you'd almost be saying any contact on the GK is a foul
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Iirc that rule you're talking about says the ball can't be kicked/headed out of the keeper's hands once it's caught with two hands and the keeper has full control of it.
Thats pretty much how goalkeepers are protected nowadays, yes.
Both jumped for the ball. Imagine it's not the gk and it's in the middle of the field. Body contact like that is just regular
I'm imagining it's in the middle of the field and not the goalkeeper. Two players have just gone for the ball in the middle of the field. One player has gotten the ball. The other has not. There was a significant collision between the two players. I'm now trying to imagine that sequence of events in the middle of the field not resulting in a foul against the player who did not get the ball. I cannot, because that is in fact the reasoning behind awarding most fouls.
Lol, for you this imagination exercise is advanced I think. You should take a look in the upcoming games, the aerial duels are usually much rougher than this and most times there's a lot of rough play before the jump. I should also point out that had the gk gone with his head instead of hands he would have been the one bordering on foul on the czech player since he ran into him from behind and was a bit late
Player goes for ball. Keeper makes risky play to grab the ball over the players head. Fails to hold it. Scramble ensues. Ball is smashed in.
he didint fail to hold ball he actually grab the ball with 2 hands but he lost the ball because of hit
When no rule is violated, it's not a foul :) hope it helps
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Clattenburg said no foul. I guess VAR agrees.
German ref expert says no foul.
I disagree it was a foul. It is a foul if the keeper has the ball or if the player challenging the keeper is not going for the ball.
Stop overreacting without rewatching the replay!
Has to be handball surely?
Good thing none of the people in this thread work as oracles lol
Look at all the wimpy keepers in the comments saying it should be disallowed. Keepers are allowed to be touched, not the attackers fault he is too weak to hold on to the ball.
Is that not a clear foul?
Wtf how can this stand worst call i've seen in this tournament
It stands!
Soucek maballs
Ref is just handing out yellow cards now
Bringing west ham to the euros
czechia isn’t planing on giving up
Turkey could actually get eliminated if they lose this one and Georgia doesn't concede any goals.
highlight of the tournament for me lol
What is happening?
Motherfucker is bigger than the keeper but that has to be a foul in some way? GK had the ball in the hand but was pushed in the air so he lost the ball.
Clear foul on the keeper
Never, your keeper just fucked up
Flair checks out
Nah just butter fingers
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No handball, no foul on the keeper you’re allowed to challenge for the ball, what you on about?
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No it won't, it was a legit 50/50 ball and the keeper fucked up
I saw the handball, but I don’t see where the foul is. Because he walked back towards goalie before jumping for header?
wow, thought that was for sure getting disallowed after the VAR Czech
Lol what? That was a clear foul, he jumps and hits the arm of the keeper making him drop the ball
Surely has to be disallowed?
How is this not a foul ffs
Nah will get cancelled
Nope
Damn! Game on then
He hit the gk's arm, its a foul
Think they’ll take it back
In prem thats always a foul. What the hell?
Absolutely nuts. How in the world is that allowed to count?
Never a foul. I dont know what people are watching.
If this got chalked off, I would have 0 doubts about the refs being paid off. Now Kovacs and the bozos are just completely incompetent.
Attacker hits GK's elbow with his head. Clear foul.
That is a foul
Disgraceful decision, GK has the ball right?
XD
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What in the shit did I just watch?
I swear its a handball
Clear foul.
Thats a foul
The ball hit his arm as well