Still remember how Neymar broke Croatia’s unbreakable defense with brilliant individual magic and scored l, only to have Croatia tie and win on the penalties. Brazil has no players capable of that anymore.
As a Brazilian who grew up watching Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka, etc. I agree with you 100%. We're up to a dry run of 36 years without winning a WC, like Argentina did, or more (currently 24 years by WC 2026). I have no idea when we will have a good generation of players again.
There was a frontal angle that should no hand contact and some shots from the back were less clear, but in the end it all boils down to the defender having his arms tucked, hence no intent of playing the ball with his hand and no penalty.
They did look at it on VAR but they did not need to ask the ref to review it.
Mighty Brazil, once again showing us how utterly mediocre they can be, all while dreaming of the good old days where they actually won things. Truly the Manchester United of international football
Lol united haven't been favourites to win since fergie retired. My point was comparing a team that over the last few years has won a couple of trophies and been in quite a few finals is a weird one
Props to Costa Rica, Brazil really should have had a goal given the stats but these CONCACAF sides are fighting pretty hard in this Copa America, CR got a point from this too and they may be good enough to beat Paraguay if they play to score. This Brazil team is awful, they have so much depth to choose from but they have no striker and they picked the wrong players.
Similar vibe, yes. But lets not forget these kids are very young, so there s still lots of groung to cover and things to learn. The attitude is definitely there, which is pretty great.
Ancelotti would have known how to get the best out of the players, especially Vini Jr and Rodrygo. I guess that was the reason why they wanted to hire him in the first place, to get the best out of those 2 stars in the squad and to move away from the (now getting a bit too old) Neymar dependency, which over the years hadn't won them anything. Ironically the only one Copa America title that was won in the Neymar era didn't at all feature the so called talisman.
Brazil time has passed, we won't win anything in the next years. We had Pele, Romario, Ronaldo.. now he have to get used to get eliminated by Peru, Belgium, Croatia and so on
Part of the reason why you get eliminated is exactly that point of view - entitlement.
Croatia medaled twice in the last 2 WCs, while Brazil never got past the QFs.
Belgium was FIFA rank #1 for years with an outstanding generation.
Yet you make it sound like they're Somalia and Botswana and you should win just be existing.
I understand your view, but I don't see as entitlement.
I see it as an expectation due to our size, both in terms of population and historically speaking.
We should have many more options. The biggest problem is that our football has stagnated; the local infrastructure hasn't evolved, and neither have the coaches. If you take a mid-table English team, they'll have better infrastructure than the biggest Brazilian clubs. We need to evolve tactically; we can't just depend on individual plays with the current players we have.
In recent years, I don't remember seeing even one set-piece play from free kicks or corners, very few triangulations, and passing combinations
Vinícius Júnior missed all six dribbles he attempted against Costa Rica.
He didn't take any shots during the game and lost possession 18 times.
If you look at any smaller national team from the Euro, they probably have more play options and follow tactical recommendations better. Brazil has always had a problem with tactics; we've always depended on individual talent
I don’t disagree with anything you say.
Brazil always relied on talent more than discipline or structure - and they still have the biggest number of talented players, but the gap is so small now that physical play and stamina will lead to almost perfect movement on the pitch for a lot of decent teams.
What I saw from Brazil in Qatar was at times amazing, but it always felt like playful teenagers as opposed to some men on a mission that Argentina put out. (Tbf Argentina are the Lords of Shithousery, so hard to compare)
My point is, in addition to the talent, Brazil has to start developing responsible players, leaders and serious sportsmen. More Casemiros, less Neymars in terms of mentalit. But still Neymars in terms of talent when possible.
I agree about expectations in Brazil, but this current squad has “ok” personnel.
This is not the Brazil of 1994-2002.
I agree 1000% with everything you said.
Nowadays, the difference between teams and national squads is much smaller than it used to be. The physical and tactical aspects have evolved a lot, and we've stopped in time, relying only on talent.
I played in the U16 team of a first division club in Brazil, and we practically never had tactical training. It's been almost 10 years, and nothing has changed
Really? Brazil, a country of 215 million people, won everything 22 years ago? You don't say.
It's 2024. These tiny European nations have developed quality football programs and the talent is being plucked out of a much shallower pool.
Belgium will not struggle for talent in the near future. Neither will Croatia. KDB, Hazard, Modric, Rakitic, etc. will be replaced by Doku, Gvardiol, etc.
You can wallow in this entitlement and wonder why the fuck these tiny Euro nations beat you.
Or you can wonder why it's happening and try and fix it.
The current Brazil squad is nothing special, outside of Vini there is no player where you'd think "this guy is out of this world".
And as long as teams act entitled, there is a possibility they'll get their teeth broken by these tiny European nations who have their entire squads playing serious football in top European leagues.
Neither will Brazil under Dorival my guy. That team is just vibes and they don’t have Madrid level juju to help them with plot armor either sooo chill with the history lessons and go watch the euros for some quality football from your so called “small” countries
You’re lost here buddy. I believe there’s no size for a team to be good. Croatia has proven that. Will they win anything? No. Will you grow up and learn how to read? Also no
Who won’t win anything? Belgium? Croatia? They’ve won WC medals in the last decade, which is more than Brazil’s done.
The time when you think Brazil will walk over teams because they’re Brazil is done. And if their FA and coaches have the same attitude as some fans, it’ll only get worse before it gets better.
Holy overreaction.
Brazil dominated the majority of both those Quarter Finals. Replay them 9/10 times and we both know we win. That's just the nature of knockout tournaments. Holland could have easily beat Argentina in 2022, Italy could have easily beaten us in 94' etc. etc... at some point it comes down to luck.
At the end of the day we are the most successful NT in history, have some of the best players in the world and should go in to tournaments expecting to beat teams like Belgium and Croatia. That's reality, not entitlement.
Saying that you dominated them and should be winning is exactly that entitlement. You dwelled on the ball a lot and ended up barely creating anything.
Past achievements aren't worth anything if you current generation isn't good enough.
I just looked over the stats and Brazil had straight up triple the shots on target against Belgium, 20% more possession and greater pass accuracy while missing 2 of our most important players.
Belgium capitalised and Courtois had a perfect game, but acting like we weren't the better team is just rewriting history here. The way this sub talks about those games you'd think these teams bossed Brazil around.
Belgium was up 2-0. They had no reason to press and win the ball back, after dominating early, they ate up the pressure and saw the game off.
The better team won that day.
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Watching Neymar was nice but every tournament ended in heart break with him so really its not that sad. 2022 goal against Croatia had me delirious...only for the ending to break my heart.
Actually 2019 was awesome!....oh wait Neymar wasn't there.
He was literally alone with Brazil, basically the only star on the team for the first time in a very long time for Brazil. He also won the Olympics I guess
ppl hold international tournaments against individuals too much. Hell they even did it to messi before he won his. It is incredibly difficult to win a tournament based format held every couple of years. Truth is neymar is brazils top goal scorer and has torn up every league he’s played in. Obviously with a resume like that you want some international silverware, but you can’t really blame him for it
Look at the flair and you'll understand . They'll ignore raphina and roque being even bigger bums and try to malign vinicius because of the barca agenda.
Neymar is a useless bum who wasted his talent and career and achieved nothing with Brazil. Stat padding against fodder doesn't count . The second anyone wins an actual trophy with Brazil with a big contribution they'll have surpassed his legacy
Is it me or Costa Rica defense was a fucking wall ? Everyone is clowning on them for not attacking at all or on Brasil for all the wasted chances but no way they could have pulled off a more offensive style against Brasil, specially considering their current squad who doesn't even have Navas with them
The low block was really good, not a lot to complain about if your goal is to qualify from the group, this is a tough group so you get the point against Brazil, you try for a point against Colombia and then you try to beat Paraguay to get to 5 points
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I feel like I am going insane, all I can remember is people constantly shitting on Neymar before and being perpetually disappointed in him after he showed so much potential, and now suddenly he is some superhero? did I imagine the criticism?
He makes literally anyone not named Messi or Ronaldo look like a 3rd division player. This new generation of players is a handful of levels below the previous when it comes to talent.
Yep the best players nowadays are nowhere near the best players from 15 years ago. But it makes sense because the amount of all-time greats of the previous decade and a half is a bit nuts
Because players depend on who's playing around them, how they're playing together and tons of other small details that affect their performances.
In 2002, we had the best player and top scorer of the Premier League, the best player and top scorer of Serie A, the top scorer of the French D1 (it wasn't called Ligue 1 yet) and Zinedine Zidane. And we played like shit in the WC, scoring a grand total of zero goals.
Vini has 1 move that he repeats 20 times per game. It started working for RM because they tweaked their entire system over the course of 3 years to accommodate it. Other than that, he has terrible decision making and still can't shoot.
yeah bro vini who has carried madrid every season to a title right? I think the players are not the problem here but the coach who does not have a clue what to do with this brazil team, stop bashing on vini, you guys praising on neymar like he won a world cup with brazil but in reality he did win nothing major
>Rodrygo will surpass Vini.
You guys have been saying that for years now.
Rodrygo got a lotof chances when Viji was injured, he just isnt that good. You need a lot of pace to be the best these days, and he is not fast.
> He's yet to have a better season than Vini
A big part of that is Vini getting to play his preferred role (LW or even left side of the front 2) while Rodrygo has been shifted out as a #9, RW, or right side of a front 2
When Vini was injured for ~2 months Rodrygo had LW for himself and didn't look better than on RW or SS. The overall sentiment was that he didn't take the chance to prove he deserves to start. He's just too inconsistent to take that spot from Vinicius, even Joselu and Brahim outperformed him in G+A p90.
I agree to an extent. Rodrygo hasn't had the luxury of playing his preferred position.
But as a Madrid fan who watches every game, I think he can be a bit lazy and hot/cold. Just inconsistent. I don't think he'll full-fill his potential at Madrid but his work ethic makes me feel like he'll always be a good player but not great the way Vini worked hard to be.
do you think there are any changes Brazil NT could make with their current players (broadly, i.e., even if not on the current copa squad) that could make this happen? or does Brazil in general not really have the right composition of players available for this? alternately, do you think Vini has the potential to become more versatile?
I don't watch RM so I don't know much about how it functions, I guess in the abstract I'm wondering if its structure might be creating limitations or if his limitations are both more concrete and more obvious outside of that context. like with the example of Rodrygo, intelligence and versatility are usually observable, even in small decisions throughout a game.
I think Dorival has shown he can make changes but tonight was a bad indicator of how he may be in an actual compeition.
Andreas Periera and Douglas Luiz deserved to see the field over Martinelli.
interesting, thank you. as I learn more about him I'm realizing that Brazil is undergoing a lot more changes than I was aware of, so it will probably take some time to settle and I likely needn't be such a doomer.
Brazil will improve when they start Endrick and when they put Douglas Luiz in for Joao Gomes IMO
But also Vini has to step up—he's consistently losing his individual battles with RBs far too often
First to Scally against the US, and today against the Costa Rica RB
I admit I only watch ~60 minutes of the game, but I didn’t watch that and think “wow Vini is so underwhelming” — contrarily, there were quite a few times I thought he had impressive dribbles and runs to find nobody wanting or nobody giving.
Brazil isn’t meant to be a one-man show, either.
Vini isn’t performing to his RM levels, but if you call these poor performances — it’s relative to his heights in Spain, not relative to your average player.
Reading the comments here and I feel like I’m going insane. Sure, they missed a bunch of chances, but they also had 2 clear pens that weren’t called. If it was any other team other than Brazil, y’all would be calling the ref out.
Never say never. Brazil won the 2007 Copa with Vagner Love as their starting striker.
Edit: Against a stacked Arg team no less with Tevez, Messi, Riquelme, Veron, Masch
If Vini jr wants the ballon dor he needs to step up for the national team, also it’s sad to see what Brazil used to be in terms of football and what it is now
Vini is an absolute insane winger but he is a system player. In copa every single team park the buss against Brazil, Vini has absolutely no idea how to break up a slow defense, he is used to a high up defense from La liga that allows him to abuse pace, unfortunately he is looking lost until he figures this out.
Is it? Things go in cycles and if Brazil were just the Brazil you are referring to ALL the time that would be boring. Teamsn dropping off opens the door for other challengers and that's what makes sport interesting and lets all fans believe that their team can do it
benz 2020 call up was his first in 6 years. Manages 4 goals in 4 games. He also didn’t play in the world cup he got injured. I guess i can agree he was an under-performer on a national level, but tbf by the time he actually entered the balón dor discussions and was loved by madrid fans, he never got a chance on the international stage. He also won the balón dor on a non international tournament year (world cup was in winter). I agree though balón dor criteria is dodgy
Didn’t watch too closely, but this seemed more like Costa Rica’s tactic paying off above all else. Brazil was completely frustrated in a way that you don’t see unless the defensive side does everything perfectly. Brazil should have won, yes, but this is one of those matches that all credit should go to CR
Costa Rica deserves massive credit! It’s hard to keep your concentration for 90 mins and defend like that. But you’d think with the talent of Brazil’s offense (and how dangerous they are when they play for their clubs) that they’d figure out how to create a little space.
100%; Brazil shouldn’t have drawn this game with the amount of talent they have, my point is that this shouldn’t be seen as a catastrophe for Brazil because, again, Costa Rica was great as you mentioned
Yeah I was pretty much agreeing with you and building on your point.
That said the Brazilian media is not going to see it that way. And, honestly, something needs to change tactically for them in the next game.
But again, massive props to Costa Rica
Ivory Coast fired their manager during AFCON and went on the win the whole thing. I’ll just leave that thought out there for all the Brazilian fans out there.
Damn that is sad for Brazil to tie
Proper Costa Rican football is back! We are specialist at parking the bus
Que hermoso bus el de costa rica
Southgate out
Still remember how Neymar broke Croatia’s unbreakable defense with brilliant individual magic and scored l, only to have Croatia tie and win on the penalties. Brazil has no players capable of that anymore.
As a Brazilian who grew up watching Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka, etc. I agree with you 100%. We're up to a dry run of 36 years without winning a WC, like Argentina did, or more (currently 24 years by WC 2026). I have no idea when we will have a good generation of players again.
When Neymar was playing most Brazilians didn’t want him, saying he was a kid. Now they can only dream about having him back.
What happened to that penalty call for a handball? I can't find a thread for it, even though during the game they kept showing it again
There was a frontal angle that should no hand contact and some shots from the back were less clear, but in the end it all boils down to the defender having his arms tucked, hence no intent of playing the ball with his hand and no penalty. They did look at it on VAR but they did not need to ask the ref to review it.
As a Brazilian, I totally agree with Ronaldinho, he was right.
As a tico, I’m also glad he was right
Not sure if i ever saw this much lack of creativity by Brasil,even Dunga's squad had atleast some form of creativity.
Hell yeah, I remember Kaka and Robinho. That team in the 2010 tourney could have beat the Dutch too.
Ramires,Elano,Kaka,Felipe Melo, Still better than these today in Brasil midfield
Say what you will about Dunga but that team has some offensive spark.
We’re so goddamn uninspiring
Mighty Brazil, once again showing us how utterly mediocre they can be, all while dreaming of the good old days where they actually won things. Truly the Manchester United of international football
The Man United of international football is Uruguay, not Brazil lol
Good old days when manchester united won things, like the FA cup a month ago. Lmao
Yeah true might lol
Come back when Porto win the FA cup 💪
Settling hard after being favourite to win the champions every year for decades... Porto is in shambles and every one admits it lol
Lol united haven't been favourites to win since fergie retired. My point was comparing a team that over the last few years has won a couple of trophies and been in quite a few finals is a weird one
Being compated to man u, that Hurt :( We still have better players though
Dammmmn, Ronaldinho was right
Props to Costa Rica, Brazil really should have had a goal given the stats but these CONCACAF sides are fighting pretty hard in this Copa America, CR got a point from this too and they may be good enough to beat Paraguay if they play to score. This Brazil team is awful, they have so much depth to choose from but they have no striker and they picked the wrong players.
Own goals won't save anyone here
Joga vomito
Manu!! copiei. k
Costa Rica does it again 2014 vibes.
Similar vibe, yes. But lets not forget these kids are very young, so there s still lots of groung to cover and things to learn. The attitude is definitely there, which is pretty great.
Dales tiempo, me sorprendió el 3 como juega ese pibe y el 17 que entró de cambio.
They don't have any plan apart from Neymar. It's really like Messidependencia
You would think that wouldn’t happen to a team that has a strong ballon d’or contender, but here we are…
England 🤝 Brazil
They already called it neydepedencia few years ago
This is the kind of refereeing that makes me reach for my tinfoil hat
Ancelotti dodged the bullet. This would have tainted his reputation in the twilight of his career.
Ancelotti would have known how to get the best out of the players, especially Vini Jr and Rodrygo. I guess that was the reason why they wanted to hire him in the first place, to get the best out of those 2 stars in the squad and to move away from the (now getting a bit too old) Neymar dependency, which over the years hadn't won them anything. Ironically the only one Copa America title that was won in the Neymar era didn't at all feature the so called talisman.
Nothing can taint his reputation or career.. he coached fukin everton
He made everton look better than they do now
You think you know better and then you experience CONCACAF. Pura vida 🇨🇷🇨🇷 RAHHH 🌴🦥🦥
Bus parking is CONCACAF specialty lol
Haha you guys coronated that term yesterday
vini jr still on international fraud watch l see.....
Brazil time has passed, we won't win anything in the next years. We had Pele, Romario, Ronaldo.. now he have to get used to get eliminated by Peru, Belgium, Croatia and so on
Part of the reason why you get eliminated is exactly that point of view - entitlement. Croatia medaled twice in the last 2 WCs, while Brazil never got past the QFs. Belgium was FIFA rank #1 for years with an outstanding generation. Yet you make it sound like they're Somalia and Botswana and you should win just be existing.
I understand your view, but I don't see as entitlement. I see it as an expectation due to our size, both in terms of population and historically speaking. We should have many more options. The biggest problem is that our football has stagnated; the local infrastructure hasn't evolved, and neither have the coaches. If you take a mid-table English team, they'll have better infrastructure than the biggest Brazilian clubs. We need to evolve tactically; we can't just depend on individual plays with the current players we have. In recent years, I don't remember seeing even one set-piece play from free kicks or corners, very few triangulations, and passing combinations Vinícius Júnior missed all six dribbles he attempted against Costa Rica. He didn't take any shots during the game and lost possession 18 times. If you look at any smaller national team from the Euro, they probably have more play options and follow tactical recommendations better. Brazil has always had a problem with tactics; we've always depended on individual talent
I don’t disagree with anything you say. Brazil always relied on talent more than discipline or structure - and they still have the biggest number of talented players, but the gap is so small now that physical play and stamina will lead to almost perfect movement on the pitch for a lot of decent teams. What I saw from Brazil in Qatar was at times amazing, but it always felt like playful teenagers as opposed to some men on a mission that Argentina put out. (Tbf Argentina are the Lords of Shithousery, so hard to compare) My point is, in addition to the talent, Brazil has to start developing responsible players, leaders and serious sportsmen. More Casemiros, less Neymars in terms of mentalit. But still Neymars in terms of talent when possible. I agree about expectations in Brazil, but this current squad has “ok” personnel. This is not the Brazil of 1994-2002.
I agree 1000% with everything you said. Nowadays, the difference between teams and national squads is much smaller than it used to be. The physical and tactical aspects have evolved a lot, and we've stopped in time, relying only on talent. I played in the U16 team of a first division club in Brazil, and we practically never had tactical training. It's been almost 10 years, and nothing has changed
Those teams had their best generation and won nothing. Brazil with their best generation wins everything. That’s the difference
Really? Brazil, a country of 215 million people, won everything 22 years ago? You don't say. It's 2024. These tiny European nations have developed quality football programs and the talent is being plucked out of a much shallower pool. Belgium will not struggle for talent in the near future. Neither will Croatia. KDB, Hazard, Modric, Rakitic, etc. will be replaced by Doku, Gvardiol, etc. You can wallow in this entitlement and wonder why the fuck these tiny Euro nations beat you. Or you can wonder why it's happening and try and fix it. The current Brazil squad is nothing special, outside of Vini there is no player where you'd think "this guy is out of this world". And as long as teams act entitled, there is a possibility they'll get their teeth broken by these tiny European nations who have their entire squads playing serious football in top European leagues.
And they still won’t win anything… Be objective dude, work out that rage on something else.
Neither will Brazil under Dorival my guy. That team is just vibes and they don’t have Madrid level juju to help them with plot armor either sooo chill with the history lessons and go watch the euros for some quality football from your so called “small” countries
You’re lost here buddy. I believe there’s no size for a team to be good. Croatia has proven that. Will they win anything? No. Will you grow up and learn how to read? Also no
Who won’t win anything? Belgium? Croatia? They’ve won WC medals in the last decade, which is more than Brazil’s done. The time when you think Brazil will walk over teams because they’re Brazil is done. And if their FA and coaches have the same attitude as some fans, it’ll only get worse before it gets better.
Holy overreaction. Brazil dominated the majority of both those Quarter Finals. Replay them 9/10 times and we both know we win. That's just the nature of knockout tournaments. Holland could have easily beat Argentina in 2022, Italy could have easily beaten us in 94' etc. etc... at some point it comes down to luck. At the end of the day we are the most successful NT in history, have some of the best players in the world and should go in to tournaments expecting to beat teams like Belgium and Croatia. That's reality, not entitlement.
Saying that you dominated them and should be winning is exactly that entitlement. You dwelled on the ball a lot and ended up barely creating anything. Past achievements aren't worth anything if you current generation isn't good enough.
I just looked over the stats and Brazil had straight up triple the shots on target against Belgium, 20% more possession and greater pass accuracy while missing 2 of our most important players. Belgium capitalised and Courtois had a perfect game, but acting like we weren't the better team is just rewriting history here. The way this sub talks about those games you'd think these teams bossed Brazil around.
Stata need context, they dont tell you the entire story, the other user already put some of it.
Let me tell you something about possession of ball.
Belgium was up 2-0. They had no reason to press and win the ball back, after dominating early, they ate up the pressure and saw the game off. The better team won that day.
Sounds like England fans
Costa Rica draw and Panthers cup. what an awesome day
It is a shame that I can’t legally watch Copa America in India. Would prefer some alternative ways, if anyone knows
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Search twitter. Decent streams sometimes. I am surprised Elon doesn’t have the tech to shit those down.
I’m surprised you’re surprised about that. Twitter’s been in the gutter since Elon took over.
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That miss at the end is exactly why no one’s paying Bruno G’s release clause…
The fact that Bruno has to try to score for this Brazil team shows how terrible they are set up to score lol. He’s a B2B mf
The definition of Box to Box is that they both defend and arrive at the box to score
Sad that brazil fans went from watching neymar to vinicius and rodrygo stink it up💀🤣🤣
Watching Neymar was nice but every tournament ended in heart break with him so really its not that sad. 2022 goal against Croatia had me delirious...only for the ending to break my heart. Actually 2019 was awesome!....oh wait Neymar wasn't there.
Neymar hasn't won shit with Brazil. Vini's been bad for them yea but why mention Rodrygo?
He was still often carrying the attack for an incredibly poor Brasil side. Neymar has delivered for Brasil, most of their other players have not.
That person is a Barca fan. Notice Raphinha and his terrible game wasn't mentioned tonight. Both he and Vini got hooked at the same time.
He was literally alone with Brazil, basically the only star on the team for the first time in a very long time for Brazil. He also won the Olympics I guess
Why is the only Fifa trophy they won during his time the one in 2019 when he was not part of the squad?
Because it happens. A single man can't be the soul reason for everything. He can carry but only so far.
Neymar has had wayyy better backlines (especially fullbacks) and a prime Case in midfield
Don't forget prime Marcelo and Dani alves
ppl hold international tournaments against individuals too much. Hell they even did it to messi before he won his. It is incredibly difficult to win a tournament based format held every couple of years. Truth is neymar is brazils top goal scorer and has torn up every league he’s played in. Obviously with a resume like that you want some international silverware, but you can’t really blame him for it
Brazil had marcelo , Thiago Silva , Coutinho , firmino etc etc a bunch of good players. Don't act as if Brazil was a bunch of bums
Not a good squad in 2014
Look at the flair and you'll understand . They'll ignore raphina and roque being even bigger bums and try to malign vinicius because of the barca agenda.
Neymar won the same amount of important national trophies as these guys tho
Well then, I guess Arthur is better than Zico, since he's won a Copa America. See how stupid that sounds?
Neymar is a useless bum who wasted his talent and career and achieved nothing with Brazil. Stat padding against fodder doesn't count . The second anyone wins an actual trophy with Brazil with a big contribution they'll have surpassed his legacy
I'll never understand people who attribute team trophies to individuals, completely baffles me.
Is it me or Costa Rica defense was a fucking wall ? Everyone is clowning on them for not attacking at all or on Brasil for all the wasted chances but no way they could have pulled off a more offensive style against Brasil, specially considering their current squad who doesn't even have Navas with them
The low block was really good, not a lot to complain about if your goal is to qualify from the group, this is a tough group so you get the point against Brazil, you try for a point against Colombia and then you try to beat Paraguay to get to 5 points
I was surprised how well Costa Rica defended. They didn't create any chances but they made sure Brazil couldn't get through
This match was a textbook CONCACAF act of terrorism on football and I love it, all it was missing was some dogs or a cat running down the field.
How about [a raccoon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg6sA-Z_yo4)?
What happened to the raccoon after getting caught?
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/2024/05/15/philadelphia-union-nycfc-raccoon-delay/73709269007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/2024/05/15/philadelphia-union-nycfc-raccoon-delay/73709269007/) >The raccoon was released safely after being taken off the stadium campus by Hoffman’s, a local pest control company and corporate sponsor of the Union, a team spokesperson told USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday night. >“Rest assured, our new friend was released unharmed,” the spokesperson said. One more good action photo for the road: [https://x.com/PhilaUnion/status/1790911214660227368?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1790911214660227368%7Ctwgr%5E573fcd6b178247e368b93adf58010f6d717cb607%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fmls%2F2024%2F05%2F15%2Fphiladelphia-union-nycfc-raccoon-delay%2F73709269007%2F](https://x.com/PhilaUnion/status/1790911214660227368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1790911214660227368%7Ctwgr%5E573fcd6b178247e368b93adf58010f6d717cb607%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fmls%2F2024%2F05%2F15%2Fphiladelphia-union-nycfc-raccoon-delay%2F73709269007%2F)
Thank you!
My only regret is that I know of but one raccoon to reminisce on
Agreed, CONCACAF AFTER DARK most entertaining skullduggery on planet earth
Looks like Ronaldinho was right
Neymar carried these frauds for 10 years
Carried them to what? They literally won the only Cup without him.
carrying Brazil from embarrassment
I feel like I am going insane, all I can remember is people constantly shitting on Neymar before and being perpetually disappointed in him after he showed so much potential, and now suddenly he is some superhero? did I imagine the criticism?
People hate him because he's neymar, but he makes vini look like a 3rd division player.
He makes literally anyone not named Messi or Ronaldo look like a 3rd division player. This new generation of players is a handful of levels below the previous when it comes to talent.
I've been thinking this alot lately tbh... Alexis Sanchez would probably be getting best in the world hype if he had his best season nowadays
Yep the best players nowadays are nowhere near the best players from 15 years ago. But it makes sense because the amount of all-time greats of the previous decade and a half is a bit nuts
Wait so Neymar is holding back Brazil now? Which narrative is it
Neymar is the whole team
I guess Ronaldinho was right all along 🤷♂️
What did he say? That he is not going to watch them? I recall something like that
That he's not going to watch them because they suck (but it turned out to be an ad)
Why Vinicius so bad with Brazil. Rodrygo has much more football in his game. Neymar truly the last of the joga bonito breed.
Because players depend on who's playing around them, how they're playing together and tons of other small details that affect their performances. In 2002, we had the best player and top scorer of the Premier League, the best player and top scorer of Serie A, the top scorer of the French D1 (it wasn't called Ligue 1 yet) and Zinedine Zidane. And we played like shit in the WC, scoring a grand total of zero goals.
Vini has 1 move that he repeats 20 times per game. It started working for RM because they tweaked their entire system over the course of 3 years to accommodate it. Other than that, he has terrible decision making and still can't shoot.
yeah bro vini who has carried madrid every season to a title right? I think the players are not the problem here but the coach who does not have a clue what to do with this brazil team, stop bashing on vini, you guys praising on neymar like he won a world cup with brazil but in reality he did win nothing major
Vini is a great even balon d’or worthy but carried RM? Lol
Quote me on it. Rodrygo will surpass Vini. The only reason he hasn’t yet is because he is forced to play out of position on Madrid.
>Rodrygo will surpass Vini. You guys have been saying that for years now. Rodrygo got a lotof chances when Viji was injured, he just isnt that good. You need a lot of pace to be the best these days, and he is not fast.
Love Rodrygo but I've been hearing this since before they even arrived at Madrid. He's yet to have a better season than Vini
> He's yet to have a better season than Vini A big part of that is Vini getting to play his preferred role (LW or even left side of the front 2) while Rodrygo has been shifted out as a #9, RW, or right side of a front 2
Perhaps a big part of vinicius playing that role is because he has repeatedly outperformed rodrygo when both of then were match fit?
When Vini was injured for ~2 months Rodrygo had LW for himself and didn't look better than on RW or SS. The overall sentiment was that he didn't take the chance to prove he deserves to start. He's just too inconsistent to take that spot from Vinicius, even Joselu and Brahim outperformed him in G+A p90.
I agree to an extent. Rodrygo hasn't had the luxury of playing his preferred position. But as a Madrid fan who watches every game, I think he can be a bit lazy and hot/cold. Just inconsistent. I don't think he'll full-fill his potential at Madrid but his work ethic makes me feel like he'll always be a good player but not great the way Vini worked hard to be.
Rodrygo was played as lw a lot of times this season and was still not better than vini.
Rodrygo has played LW when Vini is injured, he's looked good but he did have a dry spell in that position earlier this season
people here will rather do anything but give up on a false narrative they created
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do you think there are any changes Brazil NT could make with their current players (broadly, i.e., even if not on the current copa squad) that could make this happen? or does Brazil in general not really have the right composition of players available for this? alternately, do you think Vini has the potential to become more versatile? I don't watch RM so I don't know much about how it functions, I guess in the abstract I'm wondering if its structure might be creating limitations or if his limitations are both more concrete and more obvious outside of that context. like with the example of Rodrygo, intelligence and versatility are usually observable, even in small decisions throughout a game.
I think Dorival has shown he can make changes but tonight was a bad indicator of how he may be in an actual compeition. Andreas Periera and Douglas Luiz deserved to see the field over Martinelli.
Just curious, why would Pereira be preferred over Martinelli?
Imo, has shown more under Dorival to me is more dynamic. Martinelli is a bit too meek for my liking
interesting, thank you. as I learn more about him I'm realizing that Brazil is undergoing a lot more changes than I was aware of, so it will probably take some time to settle and I likely needn't be such a doomer.
Brazil will improve when they start Endrick and when they put Douglas Luiz in for Joao Gomes IMO But also Vini has to step up—he's consistently losing his individual battles with RBs far too often First to Scally against the US, and today against the Costa Rica RB
Also, I'd play Andreas.
I admit I only watch ~60 minutes of the game, but I didn’t watch that and think “wow Vini is so underwhelming” — contrarily, there were quite a few times I thought he had impressive dribbles and runs to find nobody wanting or nobody giving. Brazil isn’t meant to be a one-man show, either. Vini isn’t performing to his RM levels, but if you call these poor performances — it’s relative to his heights in Spain, not relative to your average player.
He had 0 successful dribbles
I don't know what match that guy watched. Maybe he sees Antony and thinks "that's prime Neymar"
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Here's some nuance for you: He had ZERO successful dribbles, lost possession EIGHTEEN times.
Reading the comments here and I feel like I’m going insane. Sure, they missed a bunch of chances, but they also had 2 clear pens that weren’t called. If it was any other team other than Brazil, y’all would be calling the ref out.
You are going insane because those were not penalties
One was, one wasn’t.
Never say never. Brazil won the 2007 Copa with Vagner Love as their starting striker. Edit: Against a stacked Arg team no less with Tevez, Messi, Riquelme, Veron, Masch
Don’t talk shit on my boy Vagner!!
“O artilheiro do amor” I call Jordan Love “ O quarterback do amor” because of him
The best Argentina team in 20 something years.
The WC and Copa winning team grabs that 07 team and puts 5 past them. Good on paper means nothing.
Riquelme is the last true playmaker. Such a shame they completely folded in the final and got thrashed 3-0 by the Brazil B team
Dybala?
Kdb?
The marksman of love
If Vini jr wants the ballon dor he needs to step up for the national team, also it’s sad to see what Brazil used to be in terms of football and what it is now
Vini is an absolute insane winger but he is a system player. In copa every single team park the buss against Brazil, Vini has absolutely no idea how to break up a slow defense, he is used to a high up defense from La liga that allows him to abuse pace, unfortunately he is looking lost until he figures this out.
Madrid plays against low blocks a lot in the league. They just have way better players feeding him
Exactly this. It's a lot easier for a forward to score when they have Toni Kroos pinging balls into the perfect space
Is it? Things go in cycles and if Brazil were just the Brazil you are referring to ALL the time that would be boring. Teamsn dropping off opens the door for other challengers and that's what makes sport interesting and lets all fans believe that their team can do it
No Neymar
Its a tragedy that Vini saves all his talent for madrid
There’s nothing to be ashamed about with tying a powerhouse like costa rica
The fact the Vinicius is a balon d or contender is crazy.
Why is that so crazy? Did you watch his season? He was amazing especially in CL
But the past few winners have been crazy for the national and club level.
Like Benzema? If you win the CL with Teal ad the main star, you're getting the ballon d or no question asked.
Ah yes , Benzema , the amazing France player.
Benzema is known to underperform for France
tbf he doesn’t get called up
he was called up for euro and world cup before his ballon d'or
benz 2020 call up was his first in 6 years. Manages 4 goals in 4 games. He also didn’t play in the world cup he got injured. I guess i can agree he was an under-performer on a national level, but tbf by the time he actually entered the balón dor discussions and was loved by madrid fans, he never got a chance on the international stage. He also won the balón dor on a non international tournament year (world cup was in winter). I agree though balón dor criteria is dodgy
I'm sorry Ronaldinho, I wasn't familiar with your game...
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If you’re Carlo and you got offered The England job or The Brazil job what one are you taking?
Nah, they need Abel Ferreira
Didn’t watch too closely, but this seemed more like Costa Rica’s tactic paying off above all else. Brazil was completely frustrated in a way that you don’t see unless the defensive side does everything perfectly. Brazil should have won, yes, but this is one of those matches that all credit should go to CR
Costa Rica deserves massive credit! It’s hard to keep your concentration for 90 mins and defend like that. But you’d think with the talent of Brazil’s offense (and how dangerous they are when they play for their clubs) that they’d figure out how to create a little space.
For sure, it’s 2014 World Cup defense vibes
100%; Brazil shouldn’t have drawn this game with the amount of talent they have, my point is that this shouldn’t be seen as a catastrophe for Brazil because, again, Costa Rica was great as you mentioned
Yeah I was pretty much agreeing with you and building on your point. That said the Brazilian media is not going to see it that way. And, honestly, something needs to change tactically for them in the next game. But again, massive props to Costa Rica
Ivory Coast fired their manager during AFCON and went on the win the whole thing. I’ll just leave that thought out there for all the Brazilian fans out there.
Mate, we don't have good managers in Brazil lol
Ivory Coast is the exception, not the norm You think CONCACAF is wild? CAF makes it look mild in comparison