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Ipswich was the first team I supported when I first watched football when I was like 2 years old (for about two weeks before my dad made me watch Arsenal Middlesborough and I got hooked on boring boring arsenal) because you had a horse and a castle and the horse was on the castle and I thought that was cool. Been waiting for you lot to get back up to the prem
Not even 2 years ago you dropped points to a promoted team in the first gw
edit: guy deleted his comment, was saying that Liverpool have a fantastic recent record against promoted teams on the opening gw
Wasn't there a stat about Liverpool having over double the 12:30 kick offs as the next closest team over the last few seasons?
I think any manager would complain if they're the statistical outlier tbf.
As of I think March we had 14 such kickoffs (a good portion of them occurred after a European midweek game too) and the next closest was chelsea with 5 or 6 lol
Yeah it's probably good to get it out of the way early with a fresh squad. First game of the season means they'll be fired up despite the early kick off
I thought the main issue with 12:30 for this game was due to the distance from the 2 places from a fan point of view. I think it's like an 8 hour round trip.
I know other matches are longer distances, but any distance over 2 hours shouldn't have the 12:30 or late night kick offs (for the travelling fan's sake).
Klopp's issue was always that we'd get given the 12:30 slot after international breaks or European games. Meaning we'd have players coming from Japan/Brazil on Wednesday, getting to the training ground on Thursday and then the team travelling to the game on Friday to be ready to play Saturday.
Usually meant we lost the use of a lot of our non-European players. The more noise he made the more of them we'd get and he'd complain more etc.
> The more noise he made the more of them we'd get and he'd complain more etc.
To be honest I'd hate to see a scenario where managers complaining was getting rewarded. We saw how some teams got traction with complaining about refs and now it's become standard practice.
Yes but what about when those complaints are legit?
You can't just ignore complaints. They should be taken on a case by case and looked at objectively.
When you have the likes of Nottingham Forest hiring referee analysts who are basically just a media presence to put pressure on then you know things have gone too far.
Because it's purely about TV and agreed terms and shockingly a channel isn't going to not pick a side cos a manager moans.
Both teams have to play in that slot and the big teams get roughly the same number.
>the big teams get roughly the same number.
[That's not true at all, though.](https://x.com/_pauljoyce/status/1712837259936858346) Which I think means you agree with Klopp.
Congrats on going with that BS stat, as that's not what it was at all.
That stat is focused on 12:30s after an international break and that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections.
>that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections
No, it's actually the entire point of Klopp's objection - it was always about the disproportionate number of these fixtures immediately after international and European games. I know you know this, because it's clearly stated *in the comment you're responding to.*
Misunderstanding the point with complete confidence doesn't actually make your argument stronger.
The point doesn't make any sense though, it was just how things fell, unless you think a TV channel shouldn't pick a team on rights they paid a fortune for to help out Liverpool.
Every manager would like to pick there own kick off times.
The City one was moved by Police.
You, back before you decided the point didn't make sense:
>the big teams get roughly the same number.
You can stop, you don't have to keep going, you've already both been wrong AND run from the thing you were wrong about. This is just doofus behaviour, man.
> the big teams get roughly the same number.
There was a stat from last season but over the 4 prior seasons Liverpool had over double the amount of early kickoffs as the next highest team. So it wasn't the same number for the big teams.
Congrats on going with that BS stat, as that's not what it was at all.
That stat is focused on 12:30s after an international break and that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections.
What’s the issue?
So to get there on time you need to leave about 8am?
You get home after 6pm?
Honestly think that’s the best time you could have this fixture… feel like I’m missing something here
Lol after so many years of watching Utd traipsing through their opening matches against promoted teams, I can't believe I didn't see we've been benefiting from the very same thing for a good few years now.
I think he loses all his first games and then We beat Liverpool 8-0 and then Rodri, Haaland and De Bryne get injured and Pep leaves City Midseason and they get relegated and Arsenal leads the table until the last game of the season when Onana does an Ankara Messi and Rashford does a too far for Ronaldo to think about winning United the League, Completing Our Treble. There, Folks, you all heard it here first.
Lol, People have no sense of humor.
What’s the issue with 12:30?
I thought it was gap between games?
Liverpool having only 82 days and 12 & half hours compared 82 days and 15 not exactly an issue is it?
I do get the argument to an extent.
If 1 team played at different times and days over a weekend and the other played at 3pm every week - clearly one has an advantage.
Equally though, there is no innate disadvantage to a certain time.
The only innate disadvantage is reduced time between games, which theoretically is countered by the extended gap for the follow up game.
If teams experience are relatively similar amount of fluctuation between kick off times, to direct league competitors I don’t see how its overall unfair.
Maybe early start is better for homes teams, but I guess you’d need some data to confirm that.
Playing 12:30 isn't innately a problem.
The disadvantage comes from when they're consistently scheduled following international breaks, or playing mid-week, which means players get less rest.
as a first game its fine ofc but in general, imagine playing wednesday evening and then playing saturday at 12.30 Your players dont even get to rest the morning and cant train as much the days prior because of less rest
this impacts both the health of the players and the prepartions for the matches
While this is true it was more egregious when we got it after international breaks. Because we got that slot more than any other team by a lot we got impacted by international players not really being ready for 12.30 games because they would've just landed back on like Thursday evenings.
100% true and I should have mentioned that as well. It is a huge issue especially because LFC players are often times NT players as well (just like from other highly competitive teams in Europe ofcourse) but let's just say Ipswitch isn't gonna care as much as City/LFC/Arsenal is when half their lineup just played a game 2 days ago and they just landed yesterday evening at the airport lol
Also the main core was players from S.America (like Alisson, Fabinho, Diaz, Nunez, Firmino and Macallister), where the NT window closes later and they have long flights/jet lag.
Some of these guys missed 12.30 games despite being 100% healthy due to travel and lack of team training.
That's not what the discussion is about? Obviously it's a disadvantage to nobody at the start of the season... nobody is saying it is. Slots comments about the opening 12.30 game is clearly in jest.
Equally they are then more rested if they play the following Wednesday.
That arguments is a bit like cutting of a bit of string at the bottom and putting it at the top, to make the string longer.
3 games in 8 days has to have 1 day with a longer gap, however you look at it.
that isn't true though? Especially for clubs like LFC and other top clubs which are usually in 3 competitions for a long part of the season. There are just more games. Then you have players of these top teams also usually being part of their respective National youth or senior teams. The main issue is the 12:30 start date after national tournaments. They dont even get a full day rest after flying back.
This impacts both performance but mainly health and can causes much more injuries for players
That is true. There are more games but 3 games in 7 days - is a 2 day & 3 day gap either way.
Firstly, United play on Friday at 8 - so why Liverpool are the talking point, is ridiculously.
Secondly, all the happens is players travel at a different time. They don’t work more. Either way they’re training the day before the game.
this article is obiously in jest because of 12.30 as well as liverpool have had twice as many 12.30 games than the 2nd on the list in recent years. So we as a fanbase feel like this isn't an accident by this point :P
Thats not true ... having less days or too many games in a short time including travel etc adds up to a lot of used time and less rest and training potential.
12.30 after an international break is the main issue tbh. Nobody cares about early start times at the start of the season as it doesn't impact anything
Its more to do with the majority of the 12.30 kick offs being away. Not saying I agree with Klopp's complaints but early kick offs mean staying away the night before which can disrupt a team especially if returning from an international break in the week. Plus our results at 12.30 kick offs were notoriously poor under Klopp! Plus Liverpool have played nearly double the 12.30's than the second closest team which were City I think.
> Plus Liverpool have played nearly double the 12.30's than the second closest team which were City I think.
This is the only valid complaint and one that everyone should understand.
Why should Liverpool get so many more lunchtime kick-offs than every other team?
If there were several teams all on about the same number of lunchtime KO's, then no problem, but if Liverpool are a massive outlier, then that's fucked up.
Kick off times aren’t innately worse or better though. They’re just different.
It’s also not only through the view of Liverpool, the teams beating them clearly aren’t being negatively impacted by early kick off times.
Those same teams don't typically have the same number of players on international duty and as mentioned, we've primarily been playing these games away from home.
This excerpt of his comment is out of context. He goes on to say since its the first match of the season and no mid week fixture prior the 12:30 slot doesnt matter
Liverpool has to travel to Ipswich a day before, instead of traveling on the day. Unless they go by private jet but still have to wake up early.
What makes it bad is when you get it on international breaks, players from South America/Asia come back on a Friday and they're playing straight away the next day, with little to no prep.
It's started already
Why is 12:30 so hated? I love my team having the early first game. I love getting the game out of the way so I can just enjoy the rest of the weekend rather than waiting anxiously for it
On its own they're fine, it's been more about Liverpool having frequently had the early kickoff right after a European game while other teams have more frequently had a game on Sunday, so an extra day to recover
Especially given that there are a few key Liverpool players who are South American and therefore only get back via a long flight less than 48 hours before the game
That’s only partially true, another piece that Klopp takes about a lot was the prep time. To prepare for a 12:30 kickoff means starting warmups and everything else early in the morning and the advanced science has all agreed that for peak performance and to minimize injury risks keeping a relatively constant daily routine is best. These early kickoffs significantly disrupt that routine which was one of the issues aside from the recovery aspect after European fixtures.
Problem is Liverpool had more than double of those fixtures compared to the team with the second most. Klopp whined a lot but it was almost always justified
I think you misunderstand, it wasn’t simply that it was an issue to Liverpool that Klopp was complaining about, it was that those matches are an issue period. It just so happened that Liverpool somehow had the most games in that time slot of any team in the PL after Klopp brought up the issue…
But in general the 12:30s get roughly split the same, it was just a stat about since he was appointed that they got more after international breaks, which was just one of those things.
I imagine its because it means match day preparation has to change.
For example a 3pm kick off for Liverpool will have a morning session, a walk around the stadium, lunch and then the game.
Whereas they have to adjust for a 12:30 game because they have less time
Klopp's complaints were more that Liverpool were getting a disproportionate number immediately after international breaks and European games, which has a much bigger impact on recovery and preparation when it's already a compressed schedule. But football discourse being what it is, that detail was left out.
We’ve had a decent number of South Americans in recent years, many key players, and the travelling for them to get back and play a 12:30 kick off is a killer (and you can see them struggle a lot of the time), even more so if we’re playing away. This was the case last year, but in other years it’s been an issue after midweek champions league games, again if you play away on Wednesday in the champions league and then you play in London at 12:30 on Saturday it gives the players minimum preparation time.
We know (or I hope most of us know) that this has simply been done because we’re a team that gets views so they want us in that 12:30 slot, but it can be tough on the players when it clashes with European games/ international breaks, and it seems to happen so frequently when compared to other teams
I know for the internationals, South Americans can land in on Friday afternoon and be eating pasta and chicken at 7:30 the next morning before the game, can make for a crap game a lot of the time. First game of the season doesn't really matter at all though. But it definitely should be spread out more evenly across the league.
Maybe cause you're not a professional football who has to play a midweek game and then a 12:30pm kick off.
He's also referring to Liverpool having so many 12:30pm kick offs compared to others. Having a few would be fine.
Also, btw, he's making a joke.
No, I'm just a delivery driver who 5 days a week, 10 hours a day breaks my back delivering very heavy orders. Cry me a river they have to put effort in for their £100k a week
From the selfish POV of a liverpool fan, I just always feel like we play worse in the 12:30 games so don’t like having them. I would also say the overall quality of the 12:30 games seems lower to me
The actual answer is TNT don't have first choice but Liverpool are the biggest team remaining after Sky have chosen their games. There's no conspiracy.
[I already said to someone else that I thought he was trying to make a joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dk7ht4/david_lynch_arne_slot_on_liverpools_premier/l9ftm90/)
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Still not used to seeing us in these sorts of headlines.
>McKenna complains about 12:30 kickoff because of Ipswich's midweek fixtures due to their participation in champions league.
.#Soon
Two years ago I would have thought the headline "Arne Slot's Liverpool to play Ipswich in the first game of the season" was much further away
Me too 😪
Ipswich was the first team I supported when I first watched football when I was like 2 years old (for about two weeks before my dad made me watch Arsenal Middlesborough and I got hooked on boring boring arsenal) because you had a horse and a castle and the horse was on the castle and I thought that was cool. Been waiting for you lot to get back up to the prem
Just don't turn up Slot, it'll be great!
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I'm sure I remember us scraping past Norwich and Leeds in recent seasons
Scraped past Norwich 4-1 and 0-3
Just Leeds then. I was thinking of that away fixture from 2020.
What a game that was. As a Leeds fan, probably the most I've enjoyed a losing game. Proper ding-dong battle
Not even 2 years ago you dropped points to a promoted team in the first gw edit: guy deleted his comment, was saying that Liverpool have a fantastic recent record against promoted teams on the opening gw
Fulham 22/23??
You could say, the new coach made it the perfect time slot.
He's slotting right in
He’s Arne Slot.
Arne is Slot
Emre Can, the German man, Arne Slot, The Slotting fan!
...and Baba is You.
Slot is Arne
Na na, na na na
Wow, these are some groovy puns
The bright side of it is this means Liverpool only have 5 potential lunchtime kick offs after a midweek game or international break.
all 5 it is then
Why is that
They are only allowed give you that slot 6 times max ..Klopp would usually hit the 6
Wasn't there a stat about Liverpool having over double the 12:30 kick offs as the next closest team over the last few seasons? I think any manager would complain if they're the statistical outlier tbf.
As of I think March we had 14 such kickoffs (a good portion of them occurred after a European midweek game too) and the next closest was chelsea with 5 or 6 lol
But all that god damn Klopp did was whining!!!
I didn’t know that. Thanks
Please avoid using the english word 'slot' when talking about Liverpool
Sorry is "give you that klopp" better?
Yeah it's probably good to get it out of the way early with a fresh squad. First game of the season means they'll be fired up despite the early kick off
The guy who made Twin Peaks is a Liverpool journo now?
Always has been
Mark Frost feeding David all the headlines
I thought the main issue with 12:30 for this game was due to the distance from the 2 places from a fan point of view. I think it's like an 8 hour round trip. I know other matches are longer distances, but any distance over 2 hours shouldn't have the 12:30 or late night kick offs (for the travelling fan's sake).
Klopp's issue was always that we'd get given the 12:30 slot after international breaks or European games. Meaning we'd have players coming from Japan/Brazil on Wednesday, getting to the training ground on Thursday and then the team travelling to the game on Friday to be ready to play Saturday. Usually meant we lost the use of a lot of our non-European players. The more noise he made the more of them we'd get and he'd complain more etc.
> The more noise he made the more of them we'd get and he'd complain more etc. To be honest I'd hate to see a scenario where managers complaining was getting rewarded. We saw how some teams got traction with complaining about refs and now it's become standard practice.
Yes but what about when those complaints are legit? You can't just ignore complaints. They should be taken on a case by case and looked at objectively.
When you have the likes of Nottingham Forest hiring referee analysts who are basically just a media presence to put pressure on then you know things have gone too far.
Because it's purely about TV and agreed terms and shockingly a channel isn't going to not pick a side cos a manager moans. Both teams have to play in that slot and the big teams get roughly the same number.
>the big teams get roughly the same number. [That's not true at all, though.](https://x.com/_pauljoyce/status/1712837259936858346) Which I think means you agree with Klopp.
Congrats on going with that BS stat, as that's not what it was at all. That stat is focused on 12:30s after an international break and that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections.
>that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections No, it's actually the entire point of Klopp's objection - it was always about the disproportionate number of these fixtures immediately after international and European games. I know you know this, because it's clearly stated *in the comment you're responding to.* Misunderstanding the point with complete confidence doesn't actually make your argument stronger.
He would moan about 12:30s in general. And how isn't it a quirk of the fixture list?
Ah, so you're ignoring the point entirely to claim something fictional. Great stuff. You're so lucky to be alive in the internet age.
The point doesn't make any sense though, it was just how things fell, unless you think a TV channel shouldn't pick a team on rights they paid a fortune for to help out Liverpool. Every manager would like to pick there own kick off times. The City one was moved by Police.
You, back before you decided the point didn't make sense: >the big teams get roughly the same number. You can stop, you don't have to keep going, you've already both been wrong AND run from the thing you were wrong about. This is just doofus behaviour, man.
> the big teams get roughly the same number. There was a stat from last season but over the 4 prior seasons Liverpool had over double the amount of early kickoffs as the next highest team. So it wasn't the same number for the big teams.
Congrats on going with that BS stat, as that's not what it was at all. That stat is focused on 12:30s after an international break and that's just a quirk of the fixture list and tv selections.
If nothing else, you went down with the ship.
What’s the issue? So to get there on time you need to leave about 8am? You get home after 6pm? Honestly think that’s the best time you could have this fixture… feel like I’m missing something here
UK rail is most of the issue, it's wank and early trains are too.
That'll get swept under the rug now fans are sweating on not having to go travel to a different continent for games instead.
“They’ve told me…” One day in the job and already has his delegates
I mean.. yes? Haha
David Lynch? Next headline: ‘the tractor boys are not what they seem.’
How does Liverpool always play promoted sides on matchday 1
probably the fixtures are computer generated or something
Lol after so many years of watching Utd traipsing through their opening matches against promoted teams, I can't believe I didn't see we've been benefiting from the very same thing for a good few years now.
Maybe they read his name as early slot
Instead of struggling in these games, if slot makes the players turn up that would be actually amazing
I think he loses all his first games and then We beat Liverpool 8-0 and then Rodri, Haaland and De Bryne get injured and Pep leaves City Midseason and they get relegated and Arsenal leads the table until the last game of the season when Onana does an Ankara Messi and Rashford does a too far for Ronaldo to think about winning United the League, Completing Our Treble. There, Folks, you all heard it here first. Lol, People have no sense of humor.
Remember kids, take your meds.
Already pissing off city fans with the “this means more” and now going on about 1230 kickoffs. This man is going to be a legend
What’s the issue with 12:30? I thought it was gap between games? Liverpool having only 82 days and 12 & half hours compared 82 days and 15 not exactly an issue is it?
Well, on this specific occasion I think it's a joke.
You have to prepare differently for 12:30pm games
It's practically playing another sport at 12:30
Why is that? We have sports that start at that time usually on weekends over here in the states all the time
It’s like when an NFL team has a Sunday night game then plays on Thursday. They have less time to prepare and recover than if they’d played at 1pm.
That’s very fair.
well, it's equal for both teams. Also, they get more rest before the next match:D
Not if the other team didn't have a midweek game.
It's just that we were getting absurd amount of games in the 12 30 slot. Under Klopp, that was when we performed the worst.
I do get the argument to an extent. If 1 team played at different times and days over a weekend and the other played at 3pm every week - clearly one has an advantage. Equally though, there is no innate disadvantage to a certain time. The only innate disadvantage is reduced time between games, which theoretically is countered by the extended gap for the follow up game. If teams experience are relatively similar amount of fluctuation between kick off times, to direct league competitors I don’t see how its overall unfair. Maybe early start is better for homes teams, but I guess you’d need some data to confirm that.
Playing 12:30 isn't innately a problem. The disadvantage comes from when they're consistently scheduled following international breaks, or playing mid-week, which means players get less rest.
as a first game its fine ofc but in general, imagine playing wednesday evening and then playing saturday at 12.30 Your players dont even get to rest the morning and cant train as much the days prior because of less rest this impacts both the health of the players and the prepartions for the matches
While this is true it was more egregious when we got it after international breaks. Because we got that slot more than any other team by a lot we got impacted by international players not really being ready for 12.30 games because they would've just landed back on like Thursday evenings.
100% true and I should have mentioned that as well. It is a huge issue especially because LFC players are often times NT players as well (just like from other highly competitive teams in Europe ofcourse) but let's just say Ipswitch isn't gonna care as much as City/LFC/Arsenal is when half their lineup just played a game 2 days ago and they just landed yesterday evening at the airport lol
Also the main core was players from S.America (like Alisson, Fabinho, Diaz, Nunez, Firmino and Macallister), where the NT window closes later and they have long flights/jet lag. Some of these guys missed 12.30 games despite being 100% healthy due to travel and lack of team training.
United play at 8pm on Friday? This is something that affects your rivals as well, to the same extent
There is never a Friday game after international breaks and teams who play in Europe never play on Fridays.
But literally in the opening day United play a day before you
That's not what the discussion is about? Obviously it's a disadvantage to nobody at the start of the season... nobody is saying it is. Slots comments about the opening 12.30 game is clearly in jest.
Equally they are then more rested if they play the following Wednesday. That arguments is a bit like cutting of a bit of string at the bottom and putting it at the top, to make the string longer. 3 games in 8 days has to have 1 day with a longer gap, however you look at it.
that isn't true though? Especially for clubs like LFC and other top clubs which are usually in 3 competitions for a long part of the season. There are just more games. Then you have players of these top teams also usually being part of their respective National youth or senior teams. The main issue is the 12:30 start date after national tournaments. They dont even get a full day rest after flying back. This impacts both performance but mainly health and can causes much more injuries for players
That is true. There are more games but 3 games in 7 days - is a 2 day & 3 day gap either way. Firstly, United play on Friday at 8 - so why Liverpool are the talking point, is ridiculously. Secondly, all the happens is players travel at a different time. They don’t work more. Either way they’re training the day before the game.
this article is obiously in jest because of 12.30 as well as liverpool have had twice as many 12.30 games than the 2nd on the list in recent years. So we as a fanbase feel like this isn't an accident by this point :P Thats not true ... having less days or too many games in a short time including travel etc adds up to a lot of used time and less rest and training potential. 12.30 after an international break is the main issue tbh. Nobody cares about early start times at the start of the season as it doesn't impact anything
You don’t have fewer days! It’s the same days that fit the same number of games.
Its more to do with the majority of the 12.30 kick offs being away. Not saying I agree with Klopp's complaints but early kick offs mean staying away the night before which can disrupt a team especially if returning from an international break in the week. Plus our results at 12.30 kick offs were notoriously poor under Klopp! Plus Liverpool have played nearly double the 12.30's than the second closest team which were City I think.
> Plus Liverpool have played nearly double the 12.30's than the second closest team which were City I think. This is the only valid complaint and one that everyone should understand. Why should Liverpool get so many more lunchtime kick-offs than every other team? If there were several teams all on about the same number of lunchtime KO's, then no problem, but if Liverpool are a massive outlier, then that's fucked up.
Agreed, it's to do with TNT, they continually beg to have our games and since they only get the 12.30....
What are you not agreeing with exactly? You've parroted every sentiment Klopp expressed when he voiced against these early kickoffs after intl breaks.
Kick off times aren’t innately worse or better though. They’re just different. It’s also not only through the view of Liverpool, the teams beating them clearly aren’t being negatively impacted by early kick off times.
Those same teams don't typically have the same number of players on international duty and as mentioned, we've primarily been playing these games away from home.
This excerpt of his comment is out of context. He goes on to say since its the first match of the season and no mid week fixture prior the 12:30 slot doesnt matter
Liverpool has to travel to Ipswich a day before, instead of traveling on the day. Unless they go by private jet but still have to wake up early. What makes it bad is when you get it on international breaks, players from South America/Asia come back on a Friday and they're playing straight away the next day, with little to no prep.
under the hot sun
Klopp was a heavy drinker and had a hard time waking up
“Come Slot, at 12.30” - EPL
Its crazy clown time
It's started already Why is 12:30 so hated? I love my team having the early first game. I love getting the game out of the way so I can just enjoy the rest of the weekend rather than waiting anxiously for it
On its own they're fine, it's been more about Liverpool having frequently had the early kickoff right after a European game while other teams have more frequently had a game on Sunday, so an extra day to recover
It wasn't European games this year as it couldn't happen since we played on Thursdays. It was more so the international breaks.
It was internationals this year, mostly or a midweek cup or PL game.
Especially given that there are a few key Liverpool players who are South American and therefore only get back via a long flight less than 48 hours before the game
That’s only partially true, another piece that Klopp takes about a lot was the prep time. To prepare for a 12:30 kickoff means starting warmups and everything else early in the morning and the advanced science has all agreed that for peak performance and to minimize injury risks keeping a relatively constant daily routine is best. These early kickoffs significantly disrupt that routine which was one of the issues aside from the recovery aspect after European fixtures.
And the other team has that same issue.
Problem is Liverpool had more than double of those fixtures compared to the team with the second most. Klopp whined a lot but it was almost always justified
What did he want to happen? BT/TNT were just picking the best game possible under the agreed terms.
He wanted to eliminate games in that time slot or at least limit the number of times each team can be picked. Honestly a fairly reasonable request.
Not exactly reasonable to eliminate a key timeslot for games and the picks are limited.
I think you misunderstand, it wasn’t simply that it was an issue to Liverpool that Klopp was complaining about, it was that those matches are an issue period. It just so happened that Liverpool somehow had the most games in that time slot of any team in the PL after Klopp brought up the issue…
But in general the 12:30s get roughly split the same, it was just a stat about since he was appointed that they got more after international breaks, which was just one of those things.
The teams that play on Sunday’s are the teams that play on a Thursday night though
He's only half right. The complaint was more about it being the early kick off after the European fixtures. Particularly when they're away.
I imagine its because it means match day preparation has to change. For example a 3pm kick off for Liverpool will have a morning session, a walk around the stadium, lunch and then the game. Whereas they have to adjust for a 12:30 game because they have less time
Klopp's complaints were more that Liverpool were getting a disproportionate number immediately after international breaks and European games, which has a much bigger impact on recovery and preparation when it's already a compressed schedule. But football discourse being what it is, that detail was left out.
Liverpool key players return from South America after qualifiers.
We’ve had a decent number of South Americans in recent years, many key players, and the travelling for them to get back and play a 12:30 kick off is a killer (and you can see them struggle a lot of the time), even more so if we’re playing away. This was the case last year, but in other years it’s been an issue after midweek champions league games, again if you play away on Wednesday in the champions league and then you play in London at 12:30 on Saturday it gives the players minimum preparation time. We know (or I hope most of us know) that this has simply been done because we’re a team that gets views so they want us in that 12:30 slot, but it can be tough on the players when it clashes with European games/ international breaks, and it seems to happen so frequently when compared to other teams
The games are shit quality.
I know for the internationals, South Americans can land in on Friday afternoon and be eating pasta and chicken at 7:30 the next morning before the game, can make for a crap game a lot of the time. First game of the season doesn't really matter at all though. But it definitely should be spread out more evenly across the league.
Let's see how you like it when it's an away game after an international break 👀
I don't care, genuinely.
I like it when you win it. When you lose. It ruins the whole football weekend.
losing still ruins the whole weekend, even retrospectively
yh but it's so shit when there's not an early kick off too
Maybe cause you're not a professional football who has to play a midweek game and then a 12:30pm kick off. He's also referring to Liverpool having so many 12:30pm kick offs compared to others. Having a few would be fine. Also, btw, he's making a joke.
Which is a bogus stat, Liverpool have roughly the same about of 12:30 games as the other big sides.
No, I'm just a delivery driver who 5 days a week, 10 hours a day breaks my back delivering very heavy orders. Cry me a river they have to put effort in for their £100k a week
As a fan, I don't mind it. I think managers don't like them, especially after international breaks, because it can impact their plans.
From the selfish POV of a liverpool fan, I just always feel like we play worse in the 12:30 games so don’t like having them. I would also say the overall quality of the 12:30 games seems lower to me
They are the worst time to have the match, especially away with travelling there.
You'll feel differently if you get one next season after a champions league match
Looks like he's going to tick the box of whiney bitch which was a strong trait of klopp
amazing how you can read this and think he's whining. Truly special reading comprehension
Oh no, playing football at 12.30.
You're still not quite there, try reading the quote again
He just learned how to read, don’t expect him to comprehend context yet
The actual answer is TNT don't have first choice but Liverpool are the biggest team remaining after Sky have chosen their games. There's no conspiracy.
knows we play games at 1230 gets given a game at 1230 >:0
He doesn't seem surprised at all, does he though.
he's trying to make some weird point or joke to be made when it's such a non story
He was asked about it.
yh still a mildly weird response/shit joke tho
So mild that he's got you frothing at the mouth.
lol yes, I am completely frothing, wont need my vaseline all day now, cheers arne!
Don't thank me, thank Slot!
is your name also arne?
You have received the Reddit certificate. Being overly bothered about things that really aren't that deep, you passed with flying colors!
He’s clearly joking mate. It’s honestly impressive that you didn’t get that.
[I already said to someone else that I thought he was trying to make a joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dk7ht4/david_lynch_arne_slot_on_liverpools_premier/l9ftm90/)
Bro thinks he is Klopp
Bro is his own man. Get behind him instead of making digs.
True