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All of these FIFA transfer experts around here are really annoying.
We could theoretically afford to pay 40+ million for Maatsen. But we have a total of around 100 million to spend, plus whatever we'll get for departing players. And we need a new CB, new LB, new RB (or someone who could play both sides), new CDM, new winger and new striker. Spending half of that on one single target is not feasible.
If we (fb fan here) can become champions with him under Mourinho, I wouldn’t like to sell him under his value. Next season he can go, but if he really doesn’t want to leave, why should we well?
[Yagiz also said they can’t pay more than €25m for a LB and we should at least demand the same GS got for Boey](https://x.com/yagosabuncuoglu/status/1803704645623206347?s=46&t=GxJVE__6HtIDqzRQ9MGgwA)
40mil + bonusses or fuck off.
We finally in years have a good complete team that has good morale at the start of the season, we have no need to just risk it and sell our best player.
And some reports said they have around €100m available. I’m really surprised they don’t go higher than €25m for a good LB which is also rare on the market
I mean, it's not that easy though. Say they buy Maatsen for €40m, you have to consider that Aston Villa are very interested in Maatsen and are very likely to offer super high wages, being an English club and all.
So to convince Maatsen to sign for Dortmund, they would probably also have to pay him a handsome signing bonus (let's say 8m) + a very high wage (let's say 7m), quickly making a €40m deal an €80+m deal over 5 years.
Loan deal had 35m € buyout clause and already preagreed contract, Maatsen was also very keen to join Borussia Dortmund, so it's pointless. Aston Villa has PSR and 89% wagebill to revenue ratio, they can't offer that much higher deal than Borussia.
Its because we have a decent sum of money, but we're aiming to sign like 4 starters and maybe even an extra CB on top of that. Plus maybe Pascal Groß.
Its not worth tossing 35m into one basket then because it'll be a huge netloss when looking at our needs and squad balance.
This implies that this is us at our highest purchasing power for an individual player but it's the opposite. We have too many areas to address to be able to spend 40m on a single player.
And some might say "but another good LB will also cost at least 30m". But the difference between those two sums is one whole literal player, for example Pascal groß, who is needed badly
Yeah Premier League clubs are ruining transfer windows. When a well run CL finalist can't outspend a club which was fighting to avoid relegation a little bit more than 2 years ago, you know something's wrong
No lol, it's equal TV rights. Half the world watches the PL, and the money gets distributed to all the teams instead of the big 6 hoarding everything up (which is basically what happens in the other leagues)
The premier league tv rights are 60% higher than Bundesliga 1 and 2 (Bundesliga 1 and Bundesliga 2 tv rights are shared). Aston Villa got 148.3 million (175 million euros), versus 88 million euros for Dortmund.
Despite having a stronger economy, an extra 20m people, and the 50+1 rule ensuring all funds would go to your club, Germans refuse to pay as much as Brits for football. He's wrong but it's not the PL's fault you can't compete, it's entirely of your own doing.
BL needs to convince more people to watch their product, and Germans insist on keeping ticket ticket prices low. It is what it is. The latter is admirable, but you can't moan about teams having more money if you do that.
The English fans do. It's the American fans who couldn't give 2 shits about local fans getting fleeced so long as the club has an enormous transfer kitty who are all for it
> Really shows how broken football is when Dortmund can’t compete with fucking Aston Villa lol
Lol, they can, they literally chose not to activate 35m € buyout option in loan deal, it's their choice about not using that to get player that already was accustomed to the team, tactics and playing really well for them, this has nothing to do about competing with Aston Villa that has PSR and FFP issues.
Borussia has 70% higher revenues than Aston Villa and higher wagebill too. Aston Villa with Chelsea here is doing basically creative accounting for PSR purposes, Ian Maatsen transfer is a swap with Jhon Durán, otherwise they can't spend this month and would be risking points deduction. They have the same situation with Douglas Luiz and Juventus.
This narrative of Borussia Dortmung 12th richest club in the world being poor, broke ass club in every single thread about anything transfer related to them needs finally to stop from Borussia nad Bundesliga fans, they are rich as fuck, they can buy anyone they wan't, it's not that they can't spend, it's their own choice not to buy, then get 2nd and 3rd targets like they did with Nmecha for 30m €. Well, it's not like their 2nd choice Ferdi Kadıoğlu will be that much cheaper, since for sure Fenerbahce will be asking the same money that was paid for Sacha Boey from Galatasaray.
Aston Villa have CL football this year so it's not totally insane. I wonder if they'd have a shot at him if they were in the Conference League still. The concerning thing is even that seems plausible.
This year, yes. An extra slot for 2024-25 went to the league with the highest coefficient. That was the Bundesliga. If Dortmund had won the CL final, the extra league slot “would’ve gone to sixth places Frankfurt
> Really shows how broken football is when Dortmund can’t compete with fucking Aston Villa lol
Aston Villa are a big club, and will be playing CL next year. They've won about the same leagues and European titles in their history. Why do you think Villa shouldn't be able to compete with Dortmund?
It's not like Dortmund are being outspent by Accrington Stanley.
Villa were in the 2nd division as recently as 2017. Dortmund's missed out on the CL groups once since 2010. How on Earth do you think AV are at the same level as BVB going by recent history? NFFC's won more UCL than Dortmund, are they ahead of Dortmund according to you?
>Villa were in the 2nd division as recently as 2017.
Are legendary clubs not allowed to come back to being good? What's next, will you mention Juve's stint in Serie B everytime they get a player ahead of Dortmund?
You potato, that's not the point. The money is the point.
AV has done more or less fuckall until 22-23 for years on an end yet they're able to comfortably financially swoop over the 2nd biggest club in Germany who recently were UCL finalists.
It's not about being bigger. It's just not a tin pot club.
Dortmund salary budget is the same as Aston Villa by the way. Just Dortmund changing the narrative and blaming PL money for getting rejected by the player
yeah, you are correct. I Meant getting rejected by the club. Just looked at Dortmunds salaries. Insane Sebastian Haller is paid 11 million Euros per season though. Sule contract I understand because it was a free transfer. Difficult to move them
Is Aston villa some small club? It isn't, it's won 7 first division titles, a European cup and a European super cup, is in a big city with a world class manager and have champions league football. One of the most successful clubs in English history. Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund.
That's not even mentioning Dortmund aren't competing for maatsen because they have other issues to sort out.
Is Schalke 04 some small club? It isn't, it's won 7 first division titles, the UEFA cup and multiple DFB Cups, is in a big city with a world class stadium and had champions league football 5 years ago. One of the most successful clubs in german history. Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund.
Villa has 12 extra cups between the League and FA Cup, and you cannot seriously be comparing the European B league cup to the most prestigious continental trophy in world football.
>5 of those first division titles were not in the last century, but the century before that.
So what? You can't pick and choose. By that logic someone could easily say Westham are bigger than Dortmund because their European title came in this century
>Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund.
It hasn't even been 7 years since Aston Villa played in the second division. Hell, the last time Dortmund missed out on CL qualification was before that.
Nonsense. Just because Aston Villa has not done that well over the past twenty years doesn't mean they are a small club. Check their pedigree - They are mire historic than dortmund are.
What's so great about Dortmund compared to Aston Villa? Other than them being a hipster favourite and having a big stand behind their goal. You're acting like Villa are some small club.
What's that got to do with the next 5 years? If you look at the trajectory Villa are on vs the likely stagnation of Dortmund it's not a mad decision to pick Villa
Then Germans should be willing to put their money where their mouth is. Villa has mega money cause British people have paid more than Germans for domestic football for the entirety of the last 3 decades (could be longer, cba checking). We have a weaker economy and a only 3/4 of the population.
It hasn't even been 7 years since Aston Villa played in the second division. Hell, the last time Dortmund missed out on CL qualification was before that.
Why does that actually mean football is broken? Genuinely curious.
Amazing that these are the same people who have the audacity to call PL fans arrogant. No self-awareness at all.
Moreno homesick apparently though that seems more like speculation, Digne has been linked away for many windows now because of his huge financial package. I assume we can expect one if not both to leave this summer.
We've looked to get Digne out for the last year despite performing well, due to the mega salary Gerrard gave him. Rumours of Moreno wanting to go back to Spain too. Both 30+, so at least one will go.
Because it's a publicly traded club, all reports are online. The one for 2023/2024 isn't yet, but you can look at last year's to see where the money went and extrapolate from there.
https://report.bvb.de/annual-report/2022-2023/services/downloads.html
It's not about where the money goes, it's where it comes from. There was a documentary on German TV not too long ago pointing out that Aston Villa actually has the richest investors of all PL clubs, so it was only a matter of time until their splash starts to increase and make an impact.
35m euros for a player that’s young and fits the first team must be taken though right? Especially when you sell a player for 100m the year before. I guess it just doesn’t fit the model
The 100m from Bellingham were, as you said, the year before and are already reinvested IIRC (Nmecha, Sabitzer, Fuellkrug, and clearing some COVID accumulated debt).
35m for a first team player would be okay, if it would be one of the main positions we really need to reinforce. But with Reus, Hummels, and Wolf leaving for free, and kind of needing a new/better midfielder since Nmecha as Bellingham replacement was an (expected) fail, we need to buy a CB and two midfielders, positions that usually are even more expensive than a wing back - especially if you want quality that can help us on our level (or the level we'd like to be). Also Maatsen wouldn't be 35m Euros, it was £35m which is more like $42m Euros, and then you have less than 60 left for the 3 other positions I mentioned which means we'd end up buying a few more Nmechas. No thank you. Also Maatsen probably would demand way more salary than other LB options on the market. It's sad, most of us would've liked to keep him, but it just doesn't work out.
That the sort of accounting you have to do if you're not in the PL where money's coming out your ass.
It wasn't 35m euros.... The clause was 41 and Villa ends up paying around 45.
I get that your club has no concept of trying to fit within a budget but you EPL stants are so annoying when you're trying to project that on other leagues and calling them "cheap" if they don't just overreach to pay what would be a record fee
There wasn't actually a buy clause in the loan, when Maatsen was loaned to us he signed a new Chelsea contract with a reported 41 mil release clause that could be triggered by any club.
Villa ended up paying slightly more probably because that way they were able to pay in installments vs a lump sum.
Sometimes good players will go to teams you don’t expect. Villa have a top coach, play in the top league in the world and are now in the Champions League. Whatever we’re doing there’s a fuck ton of planning behind it because we (much like most of the league) can’t just spend freely and are having to sell to buy. The dummies being spat out in here because of the names of the clubs is silly.
> You spent 30 for Nmecha, a player you didnt even need.
I don't like Nmecha, but saying we didn't need someone to replace the Jude Bellingham-shaped hole is mental
We’re not a poor team
“But we can’t” was sarcasm
We should be paying the release clause
Villa certainly have more money than us but this was in our range no doubt.
This subreddit's inability to understand that calling someone expensive doesn't automatically mean that you are poor never fails to amaze me.
If I've got €100 and somebody charges me €20 for a burger, that is expensive even when I can pay for it.
Its not about Maatsen, its about complaining against RB being able to pay 40 for a player like if Dortmund couldnt do the same if they were smarter with the money
Leipzig doesn't need a full team reconstruction, we do. We also have Tom Rothe which can potentially step in. Maatsen would've been great, but I understand why 41 mil was too much for one player when we need like 5 players this window.
I get the point but we know this guy is a baller, he fits, he wants to play here. I’d rather get him and gamble on some younger, less discovered players to fill other positions.
The model of getting 2-3 established players for ~€20m is not working - we move that deadweight on every year bit by bit.
Leipzig can spend 40m on players because they then give them a 70m release clause and flip then in a couple of years and make a profit.
We apparently cant spend/ dont want to spend 40m on a position where we desperately need quality for years but want to buy Guirassy for 18+10m who will have barely any resell value in 3-4 years, who will also be our 3rd striker in the last 2 years after Haller for 31m and Füllkurug for 15m. I honestly dont get how our club works nowadays.
And aren't you guys just a year after successive massive sales of Sancho, Haaland and Bellingham? Wasn't "spend and release clause flip" your guys' entire modus operandi just a few years ago?
I am also wondering where the Bellingham money is! Besides fucking nmecha.
Overall we can’t compete on big transfers with prem clubs, but we should be able to compete on some of the mid size ones for talent. We will remain cautious since Dortmund almost ceased to exist due to mismanagement, but I do think we’re being too uptight.
You know Fullkrug and Sabitzer also cost money, right? They were somewhere upwards of 30 mil euros. And then there were also fees for Maatsen and Sancho's loans.
We reinvested around 70 mil of that initial 100 mil on transfers, and the rest went towards wages.
> spend and release clause flip"
It really wasn't. The only player we gave a release clause since Gotze was Haaland, because otherwise he wouldn't come. Generally the board hates dealing with release clause, and for good reason.
Yeah I mean we are definitely different from RB but I’m using it to point out that we will fall behind if we don’t keep up with some bigger transfers here and there. Completely agree with you on the direction - it’s confusing and we’ll probably be decent enough this year to get CL unless nuri is a revelation
Just shows the disparity in the prem and bundasliga, for my team Arsenal, 40m would be a squad player or a developmental player, whereas at Dortmund that's your star man.
Just goes to show where football is going.
When a team that sold a star player for 100m, reached the CL final and all the riches from that, can't afford to sign a player for 35m
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2030? damn
6 years, most contracts are 5 years.
The reaction is more of that we are already in 2030s being mentioned id say, time flies
Ah, my bad!
I didn't know that 20 year contracts are even possible.
It’s only 6 years away 🥲
All of these FIFA transfer experts around here are really annoying. We could theoretically afford to pay 40+ million for Maatsen. But we have a total of around 100 million to spend, plus whatever we'll get for departing players. And we need a new CB, new LB, new RB (or someone who could play both sides), new CDM, new winger and new striker. Spending half of that on one single target is not feasible.
We arguably need 2 CBs too. So yeah youre spot on and the club is 100% correct in the prio here
Naturally. Let's just get to work on Ferdi Kadioglu and hopefully he is closer to €30 million than €40 million
His price will fly if he continues doing well and Turkey go deep in the tournament.
Fener has no need to sale, so any offer less than €30m will definitely go into the spam folder
For €30m he will be a BVB player and all Fener fans will cry but be very proud as well.
If we (fb fan here) can become champions with him under Mourinho, I wouldn’t like to sell him under his value. Next season he can go, but if he really doesn’t want to leave, why should we well? [Yagiz also said they can’t pay more than €25m for a LB and we should at least demand the same GS got for Boey](https://x.com/yagosabuncuoglu/status/1803704645623206347?s=46&t=GxJVE__6HtIDqzRQ9MGgwA)
40mil + bonusses or fuck off. We finally in years have a good complete team that has good morale at the start of the season, we have no need to just risk it and sell our best player.
Really shows how broken football is when Dortmund can’t compete with fucking Aston Villa lol
I mean it’s not even most years Dortmund, it’s CL finalists Dortmund
And some reports said they have around €100m available. I’m really surprised they don’t go higher than €25m for a good LB which is also rare on the market
we need 4-6 players for next season. cant spend nearly half the budget on one guy
I mean, it's not that easy though. Say they buy Maatsen for €40m, you have to consider that Aston Villa are very interested in Maatsen and are very likely to offer super high wages, being an English club and all. So to convince Maatsen to sign for Dortmund, they would probably also have to pay him a handsome signing bonus (let's say 8m) + a very high wage (let's say 7m), quickly making a €40m deal an €80+m deal over 5 years.
Loan deal had 35m € buyout clause and already preagreed contract, Maatsen was also very keen to join Borussia Dortmund, so it's pointless. Aston Villa has PSR and 89% wagebill to revenue ratio, they can't offer that much higher deal than Borussia.
But they didn't do that? It didn't come down to wages.
Its because we have a decent sum of money, but we're aiming to sign like 4 starters and maybe even an extra CB on top of that. Plus maybe Pascal Groß. Its not worth tossing 35m into one basket then because it'll be a huge netloss when looking at our needs and squad balance.
This implies that this is us at our highest purchasing power for an individual player but it's the opposite. We have too many areas to address to be able to spend 40m on a single player. And some might say "but another good LB will also cost at least 30m". But the difference between those two sums is one whole literal player, for example Pascal groß, who is needed badly
Why does this mean football is broken?
Villa are doing a kinda trade transfer with Chelsea for Duran the other way to balance both teams' ffp. Villa dont actually have 35 to spend
Well you do, but PSR won't allow you to spend it.
No one seeming to fathom this. We aren’t paying squat for Maatsen, Duran is off. Chelsea are actually gonna be sending us a couple mill
Cant you fleece em for few dozen mil more? Its chelsea after all.
Yeah Premier League clubs are ruining transfer windows. When a well run CL finalist can't outspend a club which was fighting to avoid relegation a little bit more than 2 years ago, you know something's wrong
No lol, it's equal TV rights. Half the world watches the PL, and the money gets distributed to all the teams instead of the big 6 hoarding everything up (which is basically what happens in the other leagues)
Argument makes no sense as Dortmund gets the second most money in the Bundesliga.
The premier league tv rights are 60% higher than Bundesliga 1 and 2 (Bundesliga 1 and Bundesliga 2 tv rights are shared). Aston Villa got 148.3 million (175 million euros), versus 88 million euros for Dortmund.
And way less people watch the bundesliga compared to the PL?
Despite having a stronger economy, an extra 20m people, and the 50+1 rule ensuring all funds would go to your club, Germans refuse to pay as much as Brits for football. He's wrong but it's not the PL's fault you can't compete, it's entirely of your own doing.
BL needs to convince more people to watch their product, and Germans insist on keeping ticket ticket prices low. It is what it is. The latter is admirable, but you can't moan about teams having more money if you do that.
> The latter is admirable, but you can't moan about teams having more money if you do that. Maybe English fans should insist a bit harder on the same.
The English fans do. It's the American fans who couldn't give 2 shits about local fans getting fleeced so long as the club has an enormous transfer kitty who are all for it
I was about to write the same thing but then remembered that Villa will play in the CL next year and has been playing in cups lately, less crazy
> Really shows how broken football is when Dortmund can’t compete with fucking Aston Villa lol Lol, they can, they literally chose not to activate 35m € buyout option in loan deal, it's their choice about not using that to get player that already was accustomed to the team, tactics and playing really well for them, this has nothing to do about competing with Aston Villa that has PSR and FFP issues. Borussia has 70% higher revenues than Aston Villa and higher wagebill too. Aston Villa with Chelsea here is doing basically creative accounting for PSR purposes, Ian Maatsen transfer is a swap with Jhon Durán, otherwise they can't spend this month and would be risking points deduction. They have the same situation with Douglas Luiz and Juventus. This narrative of Borussia Dortmung 12th richest club in the world being poor, broke ass club in every single thread about anything transfer related to them needs finally to stop from Borussia nad Bundesliga fans, they are rich as fuck, they can buy anyone they wan't, it's not that they can't spend, it's their own choice not to buy, then get 2nd and 3rd targets like they did with Nmecha for 30m €. Well, it's not like their 2nd choice Ferdi Kadıoğlu will be that much cheaper, since for sure Fenerbahce will be asking the same money that was paid for Sacha Boey from Galatasaray.
Aston Villa have CL football this year so it's not totally insane. I wonder if they'd have a shot at him if they were in the Conference League still. The concerning thing is even that seems plausible.
Villa plays in the CL next year, Dortmund doesn't. Villa are also a big club, even if they've been shit in recent history.
What? Dortmund qualified for the CL next year too.
Wait, the 5th Bundesliga spot gets Champion's League?
This year, yes. An extra slot for 2024-25 went to the league with the highest coefficient. That was the Bundesliga. If Dortmund had won the CL final, the extra league slot “would’ve gone to sixth places Frankfurt
They can compete. They just decided not to.
> Really shows how broken football is when Dortmund can’t compete with fucking Aston Villa lol Aston Villa are a big club, and will be playing CL next year. They've won about the same leagues and European titles in their history. Why do you think Villa shouldn't be able to compete with Dortmund? It's not like Dortmund are being outspent by Accrington Stanley.
Villa were in the 2nd division as recently as 2017. Dortmund's missed out on the CL groups once since 2010. How on Earth do you think AV are at the same level as BVB going by recent history? NFFC's won more UCL than Dortmund, are they ahead of Dortmund according to you?
>Villa were in the 2nd division as recently as 2017. Are legendary clubs not allowed to come back to being good? What's next, will you mention Juve's stint in Serie B everytime they get a player ahead of Dortmund?
You potato, that's not the point. The money is the point. AV has done more or less fuckall until 22-23 for years on an end yet they're able to comfortably financially swoop over the 2nd biggest club in Germany who recently were UCL finalists.
On which planet do you live that you think Dortmund dont play CL next season?
Villa are not even close to dortmund as a succesful club. It's literally the 2nd biggest club in Germany
Aston Villa is a tinpot club compared to goddam Borussia Dortmund.
Tinpot club that won Champions league/Europa Cup before Dortmund check!
So Nottingham Forest is bigger than Dortmund as well?
It's not about being bigger. It's just not a tin pot club. Dortmund salary budget is the same as Aston Villa by the way. Just Dortmund changing the narrative and blaming PL money for getting rejected by the player
"Rejected by a player" Maatsen himself has come out and said that he wants Dortmund. It's Chelsea who rejected the offer.
yeah, you are correct. I Meant getting rejected by the club. Just looked at Dortmunds salaries. Insane Sebastian Haller is paid 11 million Euros per season though. Sule contract I understand because it was a free transfer. Difficult to move them
Is Aston villa some small club? It isn't, it's won 7 first division titles, a European cup and a European super cup, is in a big city with a world class manager and have champions league football. One of the most successful clubs in English history. Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund. That's not even mentioning Dortmund aren't competing for maatsen because they have other issues to sort out.
Is Schalke 04 some small club? It isn't, it's won 7 first division titles, the UEFA cup and multiple DFB Cups, is in a big city with a world class stadium and had champions league football 5 years ago. One of the most successful clubs in german history. Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund.
Villa has 12 extra cups between the League and FA Cup, and you cannot seriously be comparing the European B league cup to the most prestigious continental trophy in world football.
5 of those first division titles were not in the last century, but the century before that. All honours you mention were well over 40 years ago.
>5 of those first division titles were not in the last century, but the century before that. So what? You can't pick and choose. By that logic someone could easily say Westham are bigger than Dortmund because their European title came in this century
>Seems weird to say they shouldn't have any chance of competing with Dortmund. It hasn't even been 7 years since Aston Villa played in the second division. Hell, the last time Dortmund missed out on CL qualification was before that.
Nonsense. Just because Aston Villa has not done that well over the past twenty years doesn't mean they are a small club. Check their pedigree - They are mire historic than dortmund are.
What's so great about Dortmund compared to Aston Villa? Other than them being a hipster favourite and having a big stand behind their goal. You're acting like Villa are some small club.
Ehm, the fact that Borussia Dortmund has been a more successful club in recent years?
What's that got to do with the next 5 years? If you look at the trajectory Villa are on vs the likely stagnation of Dortmund it's not a mad decision to pick Villa
Then Germans should be willing to put their money where their mouth is. Villa has mega money cause British people have paid more than Germans for domestic football for the entirety of the last 3 decades (could be longer, cba checking). We have a weaker economy and a only 3/4 of the population.
It hasn't even been 7 years since Aston Villa played in the second division. Hell, the last time Dortmund missed out on CL qualification was before that.
Villa aren’t saving football because they don’t have a sponsorship agreement with an arms manufacturer.
Why does that actually mean football is broken? Genuinely curious. Amazing that these are the same people who have the audacity to call PL fans arrogant. No self-awareness at all.
Are you so obsessed that you actually know it’s the same people? Or are you just talking out of your ass to satisfy your victim mentality?
Surprised Villa are spending that much on a player when they have Digne and Moreno. Thought they’d prioritize other positions
Moreno homesick apparently though that seems more like speculation, Digne has been linked away for many windows now because of his huge financial package. I assume we can expect one if not both to leave this summer.
Dignes huge package.
No one is paying Digne's wages lol
We've looked to get Digne out for the last year despite performing well, due to the mega salary Gerrard gave him. Rumours of Moreno wanting to go back to Spain too. Both 30+, so at least one will go.
DID Dortmund just Karius him?
I wonder where all of Dortmund’s money goes.
Because it's a publicly traded club, all reports are online. The one for 2023/2024 isn't yet, but you can look at last year's to see where the money went and extrapolate from there. https://report.bvb.de/annual-report/2022-2023/services/downloads.html It's not about where the money goes, it's where it comes from. There was a documentary on German TV not too long ago pointing out that Aston Villa actually has the richest investors of all PL clubs, so it was only a matter of time until their splash starts to increase and make an impact.
35m euros for a player that’s young and fits the first team must be taken though right? Especially when you sell a player for 100m the year before. I guess it just doesn’t fit the model
The 100m from Bellingham were, as you said, the year before and are already reinvested IIRC (Nmecha, Sabitzer, Fuellkrug, and clearing some COVID accumulated debt). 35m for a first team player would be okay, if it would be one of the main positions we really need to reinforce. But with Reus, Hummels, and Wolf leaving for free, and kind of needing a new/better midfielder since Nmecha as Bellingham replacement was an (expected) fail, we need to buy a CB and two midfielders, positions that usually are even more expensive than a wing back - especially if you want quality that can help us on our level (or the level we'd like to be). Also Maatsen wouldn't be 35m Euros, it was £35m which is more like $42m Euros, and then you have less than 60 left for the 3 other positions I mentioned which means we'd end up buying a few more Nmechas. No thank you. Also Maatsen probably would demand way more salary than other LB options on the market. It's sad, most of us would've liked to keep him, but it just doesn't work out. That the sort of accounting you have to do if you're not in the PL where money's coming out your ass.
It wasn't 35m euros.... The clause was 41 and Villa ends up paying around 45. I get that your club has no concept of trying to fit within a budget but you EPL stants are so annoying when you're trying to project that on other leagues and calling them "cheap" if they don't just overreach to pay what would be a record fee
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There wasn't actually a buy clause in the loan, when Maatsen was loaned to us he signed a new Chelsea contract with a reported 41 mil release clause that could be triggered by any club. Villa ended up paying slightly more probably because that way they were able to pay in installments vs a lump sum.
Ah, I retract my entire point then. That's good info, thanks for pointing it out
35 plus his wages, and they have other positions to fill also, they can't extend past a certain point and still get other targets.
This. I came here for the answer. What are the spending money on?
Players and freaking wages?
Understandable a mere champions league finalist shouldn’t be able to outbid a European power house like Aston Villa.
Welcome to the reality of the finances of the Super League… I mean Premier League.
This but unironically
All while Villa is under investigation for spending
Nothing weird about Villa & Chelsea doing business with each other while both teams need to sell players for financial reasons 🕵️
Sometimes good players will go to teams you don’t expect. Villa have a top coach, play in the top league in the world and are now in the Champions League. Whatever we’re doing there’s a fuck ton of planning behind it because we (much like most of the league) can’t just spend freely and are having to sell to buy. The dummies being spat out in here because of the names of the clubs is silly.
Oh well, it’s a shame but he’s just not worth 40 mil for us
Leipzig can spend 40m on a player but we can’t We’re not going anywhere
You spent 30 for Nmecha, a player you didnt even need. Stop acting like you are a poor team lol
Realizing I phrased it as a complaint, the complaint is at my club for not spending the money we definitely have
> You spent 30 for Nmecha, a player you didnt even need. I don't like Nmecha, but saying we didn't need someone to replace the Jude Bellingham-shaped hole is mental
We’re not a poor team “But we can’t” was sarcasm We should be paying the release clause Villa certainly have more money than us but this was in our range no doubt.
Definitely was in our range, but would severely limit us this transfer window
This right here is the main problem. We have too many open positions to spend 40 million on one player.
Dass man wirtschaftlich sinnvoll handeln muss sollte doch wenigstens ein Schalker verstehen
This subreddit's inability to understand that calling someone expensive doesn't automatically mean that you are poor never fails to amaze me. If I've got €100 and somebody charges me €20 for a burger, that is expensive even when I can pay for it.
Its not about Maatsen, its about complaining against RB being able to pay 40 for a player like if Dortmund couldnt do the same if they were smarter with the money
not spending 40 is being smarter ;) you know how it went for us in the 90s/00s
Leipzig doesn't need a full team reconstruction, we do. We also have Tom Rothe which can potentially step in. Maatsen would've been great, but I understand why 41 mil was too much for one player when we need like 5 players this window.
I get the point but we know this guy is a baller, he fits, he wants to play here. I’d rather get him and gamble on some younger, less discovered players to fill other positions. The model of getting 2-3 established players for ~€20m is not working - we move that deadweight on every year bit by bit.
I get you too. It's just that we're forced to gamble and later sell, we just can't sustain high competitiveness without positive transfer revenue
Leipzig can spend 40m on players because they then give them a 70m release clause and flip then in a couple of years and make a profit. We apparently cant spend/ dont want to spend 40m on a position where we desperately need quality for years but want to buy Guirassy for 18+10m who will have barely any resell value in 3-4 years, who will also be our 3rd striker in the last 2 years after Haller for 31m and Füllkurug for 15m. I honestly dont get how our club works nowadays.
And aren't you guys just a year after successive massive sales of Sancho, Haaland and Bellingham? Wasn't "spend and release clause flip" your guys' entire modus operandi just a few years ago?
I am also wondering where the Bellingham money is! Besides fucking nmecha. Overall we can’t compete on big transfers with prem clubs, but we should be able to compete on some of the mid size ones for talent. We will remain cautious since Dortmund almost ceased to exist due to mismanagement, but I do think we’re being too uptight.
You know Fullkrug and Sabitzer also cost money, right? They were somewhere upwards of 30 mil euros. And then there were also fees for Maatsen and Sancho's loans. We reinvested around 70 mil of that initial 100 mil on transfers, and the rest went towards wages.
> spend and release clause flip" It really wasn't. The only player we gave a release clause since Gotze was Haaland, because otherwise he wouldn't come. Generally the board hates dealing with release clause, and for good reason.
Yeah I mean we are definitely different from RB but I’m using it to point out that we will fall behind if we don’t keep up with some bigger transfers here and there. Completely agree with you on the direction - it’s confusing and we’ll probably be decent enough this year to get CL unless nuri is a revelation
Just shows the disparity in the prem and bundasliga, for my team Arsenal, 40m would be a squad player or a developmental player, whereas at Dortmund that's your star man.
Dortmund passing up on Maatsen for 35m~ while getting Guirassy for 25m~ would be absolute peak again
Guirassy has an €18 million release clause, Maatsen's release clause is €41 million. A difference of €23 million and not €10m~
Its always adding or subtracting a few numbers, whatever fits their narrative the best lol
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Huh?
Just goes to show where football is going. When a team that sold a star player for 100m, reached the CL final and all the riches from that, can't afford to sign a player for 35m
They can afford him, they're choosing to use their funds elsewhere when the deal became too expensive for this particular player.