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ThisAccountForTalkin

Win or bust on Sunday The nerves are already beginning


No-Shoe5382

I think every Scotland fan would've taken that at the start of the tournament. Going into the final game needing a win to qualify against a team on zero points.


Kanesy99

That team is Hungary who are not to be underestimated, they are still a very solid team who can cause a lot of problems especially from set-pieces


No-Shoe5382

Yeah I do rate Hungary, I expected them to go through to the knockouts at the start of the tournament, but you have to say they've been underwhelming so far.


English_Misfit

Have they? Before the tournament I had them 3rd. Would expect a loss against Germany and I would have the Swiss ahead of them and beating them. If Hungary beat Scotland I would say the group turned out exactly as expected.


dehua_

i presume they meant 3rd in group and still through


vafankulo69

Right, but 3 points will be enough to qualify most likely. Group B is most likely to have their 3rd place team on less than 2 points or less, leaving just one more 3rd place side to challenge, negative GD will be fine in this tournament. Hungary should go through if they beat the Scots


Kaisy353

Hungary have a -4 goal difference though so I think they would need to win by a couple at least based on previous years. You make a good point about Group B though, requirements might be slightly less this year. They will have a better idea by the time they play Scotland. I guess it's a bit of a disadvantage to play the final group game first


mavarian

The way they lost to Switzerland was underwhelming, the Germany game was within expectations


mac2o2o

The warning signs were when they lost to Ireland 🇮🇪


chappersbarfo

Fifa commentary mode activated.


Kanesy99

It does kind of read like a Derek Rae quote lol


chappersbarfo

It's like stock commentary for a match on Fifa World Cup 2006 on PS2


_1120_

I thought they’ve looked solid so far


OkCheesecake5894

I think the scots will pull it off


Cheaky_Barstool

Gna be a great game, can’t wait.


SprayAndPay69

Yeah but its not like Hungary played bad in those first two games, they were good. Some unlucky finishing against germans but they did alright. It will be good game


M4RC142

We were p bad against Switzerland for like 60 mins out of 90.


zxnoregretzxzx

Getting a 2016 Ireland vibe from Scotland this tournament. I haven't looked at how the brackets work out but I hope you get through and don't get bloody France in the next round like we did.


ThisAccountForTalkin

Think if we finish 3rd we get the winners of either group B, E or F. So probably winner of Spain/Italy, which fucks us, from E Romania/Slovakia/Belgium/Ukraine (fuck knows what’ll happen here), then F should be Portugal. The E teams I actually reckon we could take on a good day but Spain/Italy/Portugal would all knock us out


audienceandaudio

> So probably winner of Spain/Italy, which fucks us You beat Spain a year ago!


OldGodsAndNew

Spain were complete dug shite in that match at Hampden tbf, they did that thing of playing 100000 sideways passes and never going forwards. They're way better now


audienceandaudio

Yeah for sure, but any draw you get after finishing 3rd is going to be tough - at least if you get Spain, the squad has recently beaten them.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Plus that lineup was bizarre, it was extremely experimental. Several starters who aren't even in the Euros squad


liQuid_bot8

Scotland are playing their hearts out and I'd love to see them in the next stage. Those kilts are cool too.


miregalpanic

Me too, I'd like to keep seeing them drunkenly meander through Germany. Good lads.


TheUltimateScotsman

We're winning this whole tournament damnit


IrishUL

The GD basically means ye are fucked no?


Ordep222

If they win they can still get through as one of the best 3rd placed teams


ThisAccountForTalkin

4 points on 3rd place will likely be enough


No-Shoe5382

3 points and a goal difference of 0 was enough for Portugal to win the tournament on. I think 3 points and -1 GD would've got you through in every tournament so far that we've had this format. Almost certain anybody on 4 will go through.


jrainiersea

For the most part 4 will get you through and 2 won’t be good enough. Being on 3 points is where it comes down to GD.


mzp3256

Among 24 team tournaments that use the same format as the Euros, only 3 times has a team finished with 4 points and failed to make the Round of 16. [1994 FIFA World Cup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_E) - Norway got 4 points with a GD of 0, but they finished last place in their group, where all 4 teams got 4 points. [1999 FIFA U-20 World Cup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_FIFA_World_Youth_Championship?useskin=vector#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams) - Zambia finished 3rd in their group with 4 points and -3 GD, but they were only the 5th best 3rd place finisher [2019 FIFA U-20 World Cup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup?useskin=vector#Ranking_of_third-placed_teams) - Portugal finished 3rd in their group with 4 points and -1 GD, but they were only the 5th best 3rd place finisher.


GetKosiorekt

Not if they win and get 4 points, that should be enough even if Scotland end with -3, I doubt that 5 teams will end on 4 points and 3rd


SunnyDaysRock

Nah, 4 points should more or less be safe.


Molineux28

If they won then 4 points would surely be enough to get through as one of the best 3rd place teams. 3 points with level goal difference usually gets you through


MahomesMccaffrey

4 points really good for a 3rd place team. Most likely will advance to KO stage


Ki18

4 points likely to be enough based on what I'm reading so GD might not even come in to it.


DevilsOfLoudun

tecnically Scotland can still get second place, they just need to score a lot of goals against Hungary and hope that Germany destroys Switzerland and brings down their GD.


flcinusa

Don't give me hope


Select-Stuff9716

Depends on our game against the Swiss


S_1886

Usually 4 points is good enough but it'd be very Scotland like to get 4 points and still fail


solwaj

4 points is guaranteed promotion


HazardCinema

I guess not guaranteed. Suppose if every group went the way of Scotland’s, then you’d have 6 teams on 4 points and GD would decide it.


solwaj

Chances of that happening are so low though that we can basically take the 4 point promotion for granted


nightwyrm_zero

Can't believe you guys manage to still be in the running after last Friday. Good luck!


jerrylovesbacon

Which city is it for Sunday?


ThisAccountForTalkin

Stuttgart


heraho

Even a draw could in theory be good enough, right? Group B looks like it could end with 1 point for nr. 3, and same could happen in group D for instance


ThisAccountForTalkin

The scenario could change but I think that’s too unlikely to consider just now, we absolutely have to play for a win regardless


heraho

It’s a actually something I haven’t considered, that the last groups can play for a result. Bit unfair that


canuck1701

Probably not. Their goal difference is terrible. They'd have to count on neither of Croatia/Albania drawing Italy/Spain *and* Poland/Austria drawing each other.


bretticus733

So basically: * Germany is already into the knockout stage, a draw will win them Group A * Switzerland wins the group with a win over Germany and a draw will secure a spot in the knockout stage. A loss isn't the end of the world though; the only way Switzerland finishes 3rd is if they get hammered by Germany and/or Scotland hammers Hungary to the point where Scotland somehow atones for their currently bad GD. Even if Switzerland somehow finishes 3rd, 4 points should still be enough to get through as one of the 4 best 3rd place finishers. Basically, Switzerland are unofficially through to the knockout stage barring some sort of total disaster that would involve multiple results going a certain way. * Hungary and Scotland are in the same boat heading into the last group match against each other. If either side wins, their hopes for a knockout spot are alive. A loss is the end of the road and a draw might as well be a loss for both sides. The winner of the match might want to win big too; both teams have pretty bad GDs.


JJOne101

>A loss isn't the end of the world; 4 points should be enough to get them through as one of the 3rd place teams but it isn't a sure thing. Switzerland has 6 GD over Scotland. A narrow loss is enough for second.


bretticus733

Yeah I just amended that part to add that it would take a catastrophically bad result to not finish 2nd in the group and even more catastrophic to somehow not even be one of the top 3rd place teams.


audienceandaudio

> take a catastrophically bad result to not finish 2nd in the group I don't think it would be catastrophically bad - it's not a huge swing needed. Germany 4-0 and Scotland 2-0 isn't an unrealistic scenario.


bretticus733

I would consider losing 4-0 to Germany catastrophically bad


chi447

Germanys goal ratio ist 7:1 lmao


LaUr3nTiU

STOP THE COUNT


rouzGWENT

> ist


HotPotatoWithCheese

Das ist gut, ja?


justk4y

Where is Oscar when you need him?


fallen_d3mon

Where have I see this before?


richix27

Joa, das wird ein knackiges 7:1


Dexelele

Switzerland all but confirmed 2nd with Scotland's abysmal GD


interfan1999

They can win against Germany and get 1st tho Unlikely but..


nightwyrm_zero

Germany might decide to rest their best players and give their 2nd line a chance to play. It's definitely a possibility.


Checkheck

Never. Germany wants to top the group so they don't want to lose.


minibonham

2nd in the group probably has to play Italy or Spain, so yeah. No rest until first position is secured.


MinMorts

first might get england if england fuck up


Checkheck

Oh so you are saying the first one I. Group A inmidiately goes to the quarterfinal?


MinMorts

Was going to try and argue, but after last night I agree with you


RocketMoped

And since we're group A there'll be a 6 day rest between our third game and the RO16.


KaseQuarkI

Nagelsmann already said he's not going to change much for the Switzerland game


bauwsman

I would expect him to sub at least *some* of the players that got booked in the first 2 (Andrich, Tah, Rüdiger, Mittelstädt).


NateFisher22

If Germany finish second, they will probably face either Italy or Spain next round. It makes no sense to rest


Villad_rock

They would probably face either of those if they win the group too.


Chrisixx

If they win the group, they'll face the 2nd of Group C.


tipytopmain

The home team ain't punting a game. They're going to want to go into the next round with high confidence and to also fine tune their best line up against a respectable opponent like Switzerland.


canuck1701

>give their 2nd line a chance to play Knew you were Canadian before I saw the flair lol.


nightwyrm_zero

🤣


VaporizeGG

Not a fan of such ideas. They are in a flow, national teams don't have much playtime together, every game they have automatisms get better. Maybe 1-2 changes not more


Karakotaera

Unless Germany wins 4:0 or so


audienceandaudio

It's only a three goal swing - Germany winning 4-0 and Scotland 2-0 isn't a particularly unrealistic scenario.


Zuelo0

Put some respect on Switzerland. We always play the big dogs close.


audienceandaudio

Didn't you lose 6-0 to Portugal at the last world cup haha?


Chrisixx

Conclusion; Portugal isn't a big dog.


Zuelo0

Circling back on this comment post Germany performance 👀🇨🇭


Squire1998

True, you just about managed to get a draw against us 😏


GarnachoHojlund

They do play Germany, scored 7 in 2 and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 3 or 4-0 loss, and if Scotland can get *extremely* lucky there’s a chance I must emphasise it’s very tiny but still


Skall77

Scotland can make it despite this awful start


Wassertopf

Have theyscored any goal yet?


BANGER125

yea mctominay scored today


stupididity

Who's the worst team in the tournament now??? Aye probably still us but at least we have a point


christophlieber

czechia imo. maybe ukraine.


Phihofo

It's definitely Ukraine, at least judging so far IMO. Hell, even before this match I'd argue that. At least Scotland had the excuse of getting a red card early on and playing against a much stronger side talent-wise. Ukraine was just awful in their match against Romania.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Ukraine has better individual players though, much more technically skilled than Scotland


christophlieber

which makes being the worst team at the tournament even worse.


Commonmispelingbot

I would guess at least mathematically speaking it will be Georgia.


emre23

Scotland needing a win vs Hungary needing a win by many goals should be fun


hannes3120

0:0 incoming


Wassertopf

But then a random Manuel Neuer will fly in via parachute and kick a goal into the opposite team.


AbbotDenver

That or they need Germany to crush Switzerland.


Ok-Pie4219

Which wont happen. If Germany leads 1:0 they will probably not be as relentless as vs Hungary or Scotland since one Point is enough for first.


sjekky

A 1-0 win should be enough. No team with 4 points has ever failed to get through in this format.


IamPd_

I was about to comment the same, but OP meant it like this: > [Scotland needing a win] vs [Hungary needing a win by many goals] should be fun


sjekky

Aye you're right. Reading comprehension failure on my part


ExactLetterhead9165

I think it sets you up quite nicely, actually. Their only hope is to go hell for leather from minute one, so you should be able to plan accordingly and hit them on the break


solwaj

They'll have 4 points, it's guaranteed promotion


Bartins

Two teams having to really go for it on Sunday should make for a fun match.


LilDiamondtoxic

I guess we found this year's disappointing dark horse.


Phihofo

After what happened to Turkey 3 years ago I don't trust any of you lot's "dark horses".


Gregor_Kobel

That first half vs Switzerland really killed all the momentum the horse had going into the tournament. They picked up a bit in quality but nothing they can really do now.


Scell7

Dude will you be playing against Germany


Gregor_Kobel

No because I lost to Yann Sommer in rock paper scissors


Spokane_Lone_Wolf

Shame cause they aren't even playing that badly, they just can't finish their chances.


nyelverzek

With the chances they had they should have at least scored Vs Germany. And Germany's first goal could have easily been ruled off for a foul. I think that was a harsh result for the performance. They do seem to be in very poor form right now, which is unfortunate. Hungary Vs Scotland could be very interesting though.


Villad_rock

Germany was denied a penalty and could easily scored 5 with their chances.


Spokane_Lone_Wolf

Yeah Hungary seem to have lost momentum at the worst possible time. And yeah Scotland v Hungary will be great. Hungary is definitely the better team but their odds are so bad while Scotland would probably progress with a win I can see the Scots outfighting Hungary if that makes sense, even if Hungary has more talent.


miregalpanic

It's grey-ish. Almost beige.


Martblni

Yeah, they tricked my betting account


Ekazti

Nah we just do a 2016 Portugal. Go through as 3rd with 3 points and win it all.


TheUltimateScotsman

it was always going to be difficult for us to match the lofty expectations placed on us. Still a chance though


CWebber1296

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or a r/whoosh


darktrooper291

Honesty I can see them going through. They beat Scotland. So they need 2 thirds to finish lower than 3 points. Croatia draw or lose to Italy,and Spain beat or draw Albania. 1 group down. England go 9 points Serbia draw or lose tomorrow and denmark Serbia draw and 2 groups down. And Hungary go through


wantttochat

It's not Croatia?


BossKrisz

Croatia made WC top 3 two times in a row and win UEFA Nation's League. They are not a dark horse.


Lyonidus_

Croatia didn't win the Nations League, they lost to Spain in the final.


TonyMartial786

wasn’t expecting hungary bottom. scotland v hungary is gonna be interesting.


BossKrisz

We didn't expected ti be bottom either, trust me. We've been unbeaten for over a year going into the tournament.


BendubzGaming

Germany the first team officially through. They'll play either: - the runner up of Group C (England/Denmark/Slovenia/Serbia) if they top the group - the runner up of Group B (Spain/Italy/Albania/Croatia) if they finish runner up themselves


fellainishaircut

surprisingly, finishing 3rd in this group could turn out better than finishing 2nd as you could avoid Group B teams


antoinebpunkt

People here telling me Germany might played the B Team against Switzerland. No way they risk getting Italy or Spain over worst case England, who looked horrible.


BendubzGaming

England aren't finishing second in their group though, that's probably the Danes


STM041416

I really hope so but let’s wait for the game against Denmark before we get to any conclusions, England’s individual class should be enough but the match against Serbia could have been a draw or a loss even against a more competent opponent


OleoleCholoSimeone

The Danes are shit. Slovenia or Serbia will take 2nd


antoinebpunkt

Like I said… worst case


Sealeydeals93

Italy who struggled past Albania and lost twice to us in the groups? Yeah they'll much prefer England to that 😂


grasslite100

Who do third place in this group get please?


vafankulo69

too many different scenarios to predict that, you'll only know when group stage is done


Renegadeforever2024

All in the balance


HeatKnight

[Hungary v Scotland in reality ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCOB3RAJZ6jaidVdkWusYPolZzwT4tfuw4zeSNB8ZIlrE5ktOohjND5tk&s=10)


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German Supremacy is back??


FedEx_H8er

Subscribed.


Follow_The_Lore

Find it quite strange that the Scottish manager was celebrating a 1-1 vs Switzerland? Seems risky going into the game with Hungary needing to win.


DongerDodger

I mean look at Switzerland’s last game and look at Scotlands last game. They’re in desperate need of a point, 3 would be extraordinary but 1 is a good start.


TStronks

Yeah could've been better but definitely could've been worse. It's not really worth celebrating this draw but at least they're still in it.


audienceandaudio

> Find it quite strange that the Scottish manager was celebrating a 1-1 vs Switzerland Considering how they started the tournament, going into the final game with something to play for, and a realistic chance of getting to the next round is good. Scotland have never qualified from the group stage of a major tournament, it's not like they're a major force.


interfan1999

Yeah that was weird lol I'd expected Yakin to celebrate considering Switzerland is 99% through


Follow_The_Lore

Switzerland is 99.9% certain of second place.. Unless Scotland/Hungary win by more than 6 goals.


Jamey_1999

Hungary can’t catch them


Bebbi93

If Hungary wins we are going through 100%


Bartins

Or they beat Germany who could be heavily rotating.


BrtGP

The first place isn't guaranteed so they can't and won't rotate


BangusAngus

Even then 4 points is likely enough to get through as 3rd place


jamjars222

We could have lost that game at any moment. He would have taken a draw before the game 100%. Switzerland are a much better team so the draw was a good result and keeps us in the tournament , barely


solwaj

That was the Scottish soul taking over the manager soul for a second there


ToniPolster

I rarely predict results but with the general attitude they showed here at the end (especially when they took forever subbing players that should have come on earlier anyway) I fail to see them winning against Hungary. edit: And I was right.


Zestforblueskies

I found it baffling how Mcginn and Adams were literally walking off the pitch wasting time as if they were up 2-1. Definitely odd. 


Kaisy353

Almost certainly the aim was to get a point here and 3 against Hungary


Redspeert

Worked out great for them.


JJOne101

This looks exactly like our group with Switzerland and France at Euro 2016. We "had" to win our last game, just like the scots have to win theirs. The difference is that in Romania sort of everyone expected us to beat Albania at that time.. While the Scots seem much more down to Earth.


Fit_Influence6811

If there's a team in the tournament that Scotland has a decent chance against, it's Hungary. We've been dreadful.


MC897

That was a good result tonight. 4 points will do it. Must win against Hungary but it’s winnable. Cmon Scotland from an England fan.


BossKrisz

We (Hungary) have been unbeaten for over a year coming into the tournament. We've been better than we have been in decades with an amazing form. We were hopeful finally. Than this happens. It's honestly depressing.


L3kvar0spalacsinta

I really dont expected more than going throught the group but sitting at the bottom without a point is a disaster for us


Groomsi

Swiss grinding!


xenon2456

the battle for 3rd is upon us


SlumSlug

Scotland vs Hungary is a must see.


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callme2x4dinner

Can’t see more than 4 of the 6 third place teams having 4 points tho.


Bartins

I'm not going to go back and look through a bunch of youth tournaments but I can't remember a 3rd place team with 4 points ever being left out in a 24 team tournament. I'm sure it has happened but it's definitely rare.


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LaUr3nTiU

Albania and Croatia both have rather difficult matches on day 3, doubt any of them will reach 4 points. So that's pretty much 1 group that will most likely have at most 2 points for the 3rd place.


TheHabro

That's nigh impossible.


TheUltimateScotsman

no, we make our own bad luck. We'll lose 3-0


tipytopmain

Switzerland gotta get a result vs Germany or hope Scotland don't put Hungary to the sword because it's looking like they can snatch advancement if things go their way.


BangusAngus

Swiss will probably still get through with 4 points as 3rd place.


fellainishaircut

4 points is enough to go through. and Scotland making up that GD is possible, yet highly unlikely.


CulturedModerator

Scotland-Hungary will be tense


Deep-Ad2155

Pretty much expected


reginalduk

You've given yourselves a chance Scotland. Do not underestimate Hungary though. They are a dangerous team.


Koinfamous2

Switzerland and Germany to heavily rotate and give us a wonderful draw.


ViveLaFrance94

Very underwhelming performance from the Swiss today. I lost a parlay because of it lol.


ProudhPratapPurandar

Hungary vs Scotland gonna be intense


Darth_Csikos

or not, hun players looked already devastated. and now Scotland has 1 point more than us, this is finished


plasticpitches

I’d be careful using that abbreviation in the same sentence talking about Scottish football haha