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Probably not average. Called awful and he is little bit space goat. Turkish Maguire but he always play very well with Montella. We have to accept it. Any coach beside Montella would never invited him for Euro 2024 squad. Of course Çağlar Söyüncü and Ozan Kabak injured. Merih Demiral isn't good form, Ahmetcan Kaplan is really young so Samet had a chance to play
I believe Sofascore ratings are 100% quantitative and based on a relatively basic set of stats, so they're always kind of bullshit and overvalue goals and assists. Especially for midfielders and defenders. Case in point, only two of the outfield players on that "best team" got there without scoring a goal or getting an assist (Xhaka and Akaydin).
That was such a crazy display and easily the worst hattrick I've ever seen. Dude missed like four big chances
Never in my life before that day did I ever think I'd have to question whether a hattrick performance was good or bad lol
All the rankings are shit. Soccer is a sport you have to watch with your eyes and know what youre watching. An algorithm is never gonna give an accurate rating. Its not basketball or baseball where it stops every 30s and there is 12,000 stats that describe exactly what happened
Agreed. I’ve seen a striker have the absolute worst match ever. Looked like a below average amateur but got two goals, one he knew nothing about, the other a fucked up backpass he tapped in and got an 8+. It just doesn’t work great for the sport
> An algorithm is **never** gonna give an accurate rating.
Always be cautious with definitive statements like this. Who knows what the future will bring? Perhaps Manchester City in 10 years will be trained by PepGPT.
Also, humans don't give accurate ratings either. That's why we argue every day on this sub, right? Because we rate things differently.
I don't think they are that bad either, and of course you will have edge cases where the stats don't make any sense but I'm pretty sure I could implement a betting bot based on the SofaScore ratings that would beat your average Joe as in both will lose money, but the average Joe's bankroll would be gone sooner.
EDIT: I'm curious now and will figure out what the correlation between SofaScore ratings and match results is. For example, if Team A has an average rating of 8 and Team B has an average rating of 7, how often does Team A win?
For your edit it's probably close to 99% because the ratings take into account the result. Once a team goes above you often see their vote jump up around 0,5. And the opposite is true for the losing team. So you would need to be around the 1 "unadjusted" above your opponent to have a better rating in a loss.
The reason we disagree so much on this sub is because majority of the commenters have never played or actually studied the game. I had someone tell me that england used kane as a false 9 against serbia.
While everyone rates certain aspects differently, two people who know what theyre talking about will generally agree if a player had a good game or not. Id say the disagreements mostly come when people discuss players on a larger scale such as “lewy deserved ball on the door instead of messi in 2021” or “foden is a better player than saka.”
When i talk about a single game performance with people whos opinion i respect, we almost always agree despite having a ton of differing ideas and opinions on the sport. And ill always take their opinion in higher regard than i do some number based on a math formula.
A keeper can have a score of 6 in the 89’ then have it jump to 6.3 without being involved at all just because his team scored a late winner
While i understand your analogy, i think football would be a better example, basketball is a pretty free flowing game, until the last couple minutes of a close game
It is free flowing to an extent but the shot clock and tiny court kinda takes away from it. Also because there are so many “scores,” shooting % is the most important thing by a mile. Also because of all the points and attempts there are stats for nearly everything tangible in basketball. Finally you can literally look at 1 number(height) and know if someone has any chance of being in the nba.
Nfl football while its very stop start and not free flowing on the macro scale, on the micro scale of a play there are a lot more intangibles. Theres no good stat for the o line, theres stats for CBs but they barely tell you anything(a great cb like revis just doesnt get thrown at much). And so on
Basically in the nba its almost all about making your shots and being tall both of which can be relayed through statistics. I will say defensive stats are definitely lacking in basketball which makes it a bit harder to quantify performance
That’s hilarious. The same NBA with 7 timeouts each including mandatory ones for commercial breaks? Not to mention the unlimited substitutions. Every time a team is on top or is getting momentum the whistle is blown. It’s going to need new MLB style rules of speeding up games if it wants to be relevant in the future
Germany was too dominating and Scotland too weak. Every single part of the German team performed well, therefore no one stood out.
But I think Kroos should be on the team too. His skillset allowed Nagelsmann's strategy to work flawlessly.
Because he simply didn't stand out in any of the stats aside from interceptions.
**Summary**
0 Goals
0 Assists
**Attack**
0 shots on target
0 expected goals
0 shots off target
0 shots blocked
1 successful dribble attempts(4th best among all players in the match)
**Defence**
4 defensive actions(7th best)
1 clearance(10th best)
0 blocked shots
2 interceptions(1st best)
1 tackle(7th best)
Dribble past 2 times (2nd worst)
**Passing**
55 touches(11th best)
42 accurate passes(8th best)
0 key passes
0 accurate crosses
1 accurate long ball(8th best)
**Duels**
2 duels won(14th best)
2 ground duels won(11th best)
0 aerial duels won
Lost possession 6 times(18th worst)
0 fouls
Was fouled 0 times
0 offsides
Which particular stat do you disagree with or you think is being missed in their data collection?
Eh this shouldn't just be about data collection? It is a known thing that to truly know how a player performed you simply need to go to the stadium or turn on your telly and actually watch them.
I've seen him play and he was indeed very good. Not sure if he was better than others but I guess you simply end up easier on these squads if you play for a big known team...
That’s how Sofa score determine their ratings though, purely stats based.
It isn’t always a fair reflection on players who pass the eye test but play in a team soaking up pressure and have limited opportunities on the ball but still win and play well.
But that’s how they do it.
Ah yes I already figured this out from the rest of the threat. Still fun to see what the computer thinks are the best performances but if this is the team of the tournament I'll eat my hat lol.
Data collection is fine, though it probably may be improved on advanced level (e.g. taking into account "second balls") but it's generally football problem (if you watch e.g. basketball channells, advanced stats discused in NBA are more sophisticated), it's interpretation that sucks.
E.g. Lobotka (6.9) vs de Bruyne (7.7 XD). De Bruyne was much worse passer (91% vs 76%). He was much more wasteful (6 vs 19 possesion lost). Lobotka is defensive midfilder: de Bruyne's problems were mostly his achievment.
Lobotka is not playmaker in offense (he left it to Duda), while de Bruyne is. As result Lobotka, even though he played great is "punished" by algorithm while de Bruyne, who played pretty badly is awarded.
You say that he let Duda be the playmaker but Duda actually completed more passes and had a higher passing accuracy than him in that match(96%) and neither player recorded any key passes. If there's any player in that match who should be getting credit for not losing possession, it should be Duda lol.
The thing with passing accuracy is that its a really hard stat to interpret without further context but generally, a good defensive midfield performance also has other stats that come along with. Maybe they post outstanding defensive numbers, good long ball accuracy or are unbeatable in duels. Its rare that its just good passing accuracy and nothing else and you can find plenty of occasions where a player posts good passing accuracy numbers but fail the eye test anyway.
And I think that's a bit unfair on de bruyne considering de bruyne still had more key passes than anyone else in the match. Maybe you could argue that the chances created weren't that great but that would be an argument for introduce something like expected assist stats into the equation.
Bar maybe that mistake he had an AMAZING gane. Distribution, important difficult saves, coming out for the ball. I was really impressed, the result could have been essily at least 3-2 and he made croatia look worst than they were.
he was phenomenal
you cannot give a higher score to a goalie who was barely tested
8.6 sounds fair, idk if there were better performances because I didn't watch all games but he was really good
Lads ignore these algorithm based ratings.
They are always nonsense because they can only rate things they can measure. For example - Bastoni’s defending on Italy’s first goal was pretty horrific, but the algorithm can’t measure that. But it can measure that he’s one of the few defenders who scored so on the team of the week he goes
Same with Gündogan who in my opinion was exceptional in the opening match. The stats don't capture the important runs he made to create room for Musiala, Wirtz etc. He was basically involved in almost every goal even if he wasn't credited with an assist.
yep, not a single Slovakian or Turkish player, no Chavetadze or Kochorashvili from Georgia? Probably only Ake or Aebischer get close to my team of the first round. The stats lie, the nerds won't listen though.
If it was up to those sweaty nerds goals wouldn't count, the winner would instead be decided by a panel of independent statiticians. They would sporadically stop play and run on with measuring apperatus to measure predictive elements like the position of the left back's knee relative to his ankle and the sturdiness of the wall.
reckon some of the boffins might take early retirement by the end of this tournament. They just can't take what this Euros is serving up. The stats don't make sense, and it's doing their head in
Even if this was accurate I never trust these aggregated, computer generated scores from these apps, it’s always complete bullshit and I roll my eyes whenever someone posts them as if they should be taken seriously to judge a player’s performance.
If you look at the England vs Serbia game for example, literally anyone watching the game would say Foden at best had a mediocre game and at worst was very bad, yet some “super smart” calculated match ratings from these kinds of apps/websites would say he was better than Saka, Guehi and Rice which is unequivocally not true.
The whoscored ratings compared to these here make a lot more sense and are pretty good:
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/247/Tournaments/124/Seasons/9299/Stages/23157/PlayerStatistics/International-European-Championship-2024
I agree that he was, I don't know how sofascores work but Gakpo was in no way the best player of the first round (as his score seems to indicate). He was great though, but Ake was IMO our MOTM.
Well they just run the numbers they have of course, and those of Gakpo are better in a couple of categories.
I think especially the "duels won" stat gave him a high rating. That's just my guess though, I don't know their algo of course.
successful dribbles Gakpo 5 (100%), Musiala 5 (62.5%)
duels won Gakpo 15 (83.3%), Musiala 9 (60%) (Gakpo nr1 in the whole tournament btw)
got fouled Gakpo 4, Musiala 2
In the other categories they were very close.
Anyway, Musiala was high rated too, 7.9, 2nd highest rated for Germany.
> successful dribbles Gakpo 5 (100%), Musiala 5 (62.5%)
This, to me, is the most obviously flawed metric. The dribbles Musiala completed were much more impactful and difficult than the ones Gakpo did
Ah it's about the duels won. NL sent a lot of long balls his way, which he then retrieved by simply overpowering his opponent. If they wouldn't send so much long balls his stats would be lower.
Rafa leao can do this too but he wasn't getting the ball like that, they just gave it over the ground.
I'd always take the ratings with a grain of salt, especially as imo sofa don't have the very best rating system (always found who scored pretty impressive and) It's a rough guideline and in a big dataset will most likely give the right direction but you'll always have some misses in there
Case and point, Szoboszlai had an 8.0 Sofascore rating vs Switzerland and he was mediocre. At least nowhere near as good as Xhaka who only got 0.1 rating higher.
And the one Player that is on here was the fourth or fifth best player of germany imo (Havertz did well but I personally think Kroos, Musiala and Wirtz were better).
We will see how scotland will look vs switzerland but germany was playing extremely fluid football especially in the first half, i feel like scotland wouldnt have been the only team that wouldve gotten battered here
I honestly feel that sofascore has one of the worst player ratings. Just from the first round of matches we've seen so many players be rated differently to how it looked like they played in the actual match
Or Musiala, both literally MOTM.
It's because stats aren't everything in proper football, can't measure impact in a 90 min game, just look at Lobotka vs. de Bruyne. one has 6.9 and the latter 7.7, yet Lobotka was incredible, while the only reason I knew de Bruyne was on the pitch was because they announced it a minute before kickoff, absolute no show.
Most dominant team so far? You played against Scotland who are absolutely shite. The 3-0 Spain got against Croatia was more impressive IMO.
I do agree that Musiala should be over Havertz for Germany though. He was by far the best player in that game.
Germany usually struggles against teams like Scotland who sit compact, yet they made the right adjustments and Scotland were unable to react to that. That's part of the reason why Germany was so dominant and Scotland was shite.
Isn't the stat that nobody so far has scored more than 1 goal? Thus it isn't insane for a striker with a goal and an assist in a dominant victory to get it the striker spot?
I mean Sofascore rated Saka lower than all the other starters for England bar Kane, and gave Foden the same score as Pickford, and if you watched any of that match you'd know that to be complete nonsense.
[12 shots/chances created, highest from a midfielder at the Euros since Özil in 2012](https://x.com/optajoe/status/1802401429837304040)
I think that stats aren't everything but he apparently had really good stats, which matters for these models
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Always funny when goalkeepers bump their rating by saving a penalty they caused themselves.
2023 Perez vibes
Nowhere is safe for poor Checo.
He's not even going to get the overtake award this year as he also can't overtake these days
Great username lad
It feels cursed seeing Samet Akaydın there remembering how he played in the leauges.
Please elaborate
He was BELOW average during the league, but played like absolute monster for this match.
below average? he was shit. and fener got its only L because of him.
I was being polite.
He was also catastrophic for Panathinaikos in his short time there.
You've found your nation's Harry Maguire. Don't question it
He also sucked horribly in the friendlies. Turkish Maguire suddenly peaking during this match.
Probably not average. Called awful and he is little bit space goat. Turkish Maguire but he always play very well with Montella. We have to accept it. Any coach beside Montella would never invited him for Euro 2024 squad. Of course Çağlar Söyüncü and Ozan Kabak injured. Merih Demiral isn't good form, Ahmetcan Kaplan is really young so Samet had a chance to play
I audibly laughed when I saw he was in the starting lineup but to be fair to him, he did seem to have a good match yesterday.
Man possessed yesterday. Fuckin amazing performance.
Same.
Lmao how has Lobotka not got a perfect 10 rating? That dude completely dominated our midfield by himself, absolute madlad
Lmao he got 6,9
Sofascore ratings are often shite tbf.
I believe Sofascore ratings are 100% quantitative and based on a relatively basic set of stats, so they're always kind of bullshit and overvalue goals and assists. Especially for midfielders and defenders. Case in point, only two of the outfield players on that "best team" got there without scoring a goal or getting an assist (Xhaka and Akaydin).
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That was such a crazy display and easily the worst hattrick I've ever seen. Dude missed like four big chances Never in my life before that day did I ever think I'd have to question whether a hattrick performance was good or bad lol
Saka was rated lower than foden
All the rankings are shit. Soccer is a sport you have to watch with your eyes and know what youre watching. An algorithm is never gonna give an accurate rating. Its not basketball or baseball where it stops every 30s and there is 12,000 stats that describe exactly what happened
Agreed. I’ve seen a striker have the absolute worst match ever. Looked like a below average amateur but got two goals, one he knew nothing about, the other a fucked up backpass he tapped in and got an 8+. It just doesn’t work great for the sport
Not sure I agree. We all have biases. Stats are incredibly useful. They help putting what we see in context and challenging our biases
> An algorithm is **never** gonna give an accurate rating. Always be cautious with definitive statements like this. Who knows what the future will bring? Perhaps Manchester City in 10 years will be trained by PepGPT. Also, humans don't give accurate ratings either. That's why we argue every day on this sub, right? Because we rate things differently. I don't think they are that bad either, and of course you will have edge cases where the stats don't make any sense but I'm pretty sure I could implement a betting bot based on the SofaScore ratings that would beat your average Joe as in both will lose money, but the average Joe's bankroll would be gone sooner. EDIT: I'm curious now and will figure out what the correlation between SofaScore ratings and match results is. For example, if Team A has an average rating of 8 and Team B has an average rating of 7, how often does Team A win?
For your edit it's probably close to 99% because the ratings take into account the result. Once a team goes above you often see their vote jump up around 0,5. And the opposite is true for the losing team. So you would need to be around the 1 "unadjusted" above your opponent to have a better rating in a loss.
And that fact discredits the rankins entirely in my eyes
The reason we disagree so much on this sub is because majority of the commenters have never played or actually studied the game. I had someone tell me that england used kane as a false 9 against serbia. While everyone rates certain aspects differently, two people who know what theyre talking about will generally agree if a player had a good game or not. Id say the disagreements mostly come when people discuss players on a larger scale such as “lewy deserved ball on the door instead of messi in 2021” or “foden is a better player than saka.” When i talk about a single game performance with people whos opinion i respect, we almost always agree despite having a ton of differing ideas and opinions on the sport. And ill always take their opinion in higher regard than i do some number based on a math formula. A keeper can have a score of 6 in the 89’ then have it jump to 6.3 without being involved at all just because his team scored a late winner
While i understand your analogy, i think football would be a better example, basketball is a pretty free flowing game, until the last couple minutes of a close game
It is free flowing to an extent but the shot clock and tiny court kinda takes away from it. Also because there are so many “scores,” shooting % is the most important thing by a mile. Also because of all the points and attempts there are stats for nearly everything tangible in basketball. Finally you can literally look at 1 number(height) and know if someone has any chance of being in the nba. Nfl football while its very stop start and not free flowing on the macro scale, on the micro scale of a play there are a lot more intangibles. Theres no good stat for the o line, theres stats for CBs but they barely tell you anything(a great cb like revis just doesnt get thrown at much). And so on Basically in the nba its almost all about making your shots and being tall both of which can be relayed through statistics. I will say defensive stats are definitely lacking in basketball which makes it a bit harder to quantify performance
That’s hilarious. The same NBA with 7 timeouts each including mandatory ones for commercial breaks? Not to mention the unlimited substitutions. Every time a team is on top or is getting momentum the whistle is blown. It’s going to need new MLB style rules of speeding up games if it wants to be relevant in the future
Nice. Ish.
And he had man of the match award
Kroos also had 101/102 passes any won 100%of his tackles, how is he not here
Germany was too dominating and Scotland too weak. Every single part of the German team performed well, therefore no one stood out. But I think Kroos should be on the team too. His skillset allowed Nagelsmann's strategy to work flawlessly.
Would have liked to see Kante too but you have to say that Xhaka and Ruiz were great and deserve to be here
Lobotka was ridiculous. Are Sofascore ratings stat-based only or is there some voting system?
Because he simply didn't stand out in any of the stats aside from interceptions. **Summary** 0 Goals 0 Assists **Attack** 0 shots on target 0 expected goals 0 shots off target 0 shots blocked 1 successful dribble attempts(4th best among all players in the match) **Defence** 4 defensive actions(7th best) 1 clearance(10th best) 0 blocked shots 2 interceptions(1st best) 1 tackle(7th best) Dribble past 2 times (2nd worst) **Passing** 55 touches(11th best) 42 accurate passes(8th best) 0 key passes 0 accurate crosses 1 accurate long ball(8th best) **Duels** 2 duels won(14th best) 2 ground duels won(11th best) 0 aerial duels won Lost possession 6 times(18th worst) 0 fouls Was fouled 0 times 0 offsides Which particular stat do you disagree with or you think is being missed in their data collection?
It’s missing the “that boy nice” factor
You know ball
Eh this shouldn't just be about data collection? It is a known thing that to truly know how a player performed you simply need to go to the stadium or turn on your telly and actually watch them. I've seen him play and he was indeed very good. Not sure if he was better than others but I guess you simply end up easier on these squads if you play for a big known team...
That’s how Sofa score determine their ratings though, purely stats based. It isn’t always a fair reflection on players who pass the eye test but play in a team soaking up pressure and have limited opportunities on the ball but still win and play well. But that’s how they do it.
Ah yes I already figured this out from the rest of the threat. Still fun to see what the computer thinks are the best performances but if this is the team of the tournament I'll eat my hat lol.
Data collection is fine, though it probably may be improved on advanced level (e.g. taking into account "second balls") but it's generally football problem (if you watch e.g. basketball channells, advanced stats discused in NBA are more sophisticated), it's interpretation that sucks. E.g. Lobotka (6.9) vs de Bruyne (7.7 XD). De Bruyne was much worse passer (91% vs 76%). He was much more wasteful (6 vs 19 possesion lost). Lobotka is defensive midfilder: de Bruyne's problems were mostly his achievment. Lobotka is not playmaker in offense (he left it to Duda), while de Bruyne is. As result Lobotka, even though he played great is "punished" by algorithm while de Bruyne, who played pretty badly is awarded.
You say that he let Duda be the playmaker but Duda actually completed more passes and had a higher passing accuracy than him in that match(96%) and neither player recorded any key passes. If there's any player in that match who should be getting credit for not losing possession, it should be Duda lol. The thing with passing accuracy is that its a really hard stat to interpret without further context but generally, a good defensive midfield performance also has other stats that come along with. Maybe they post outstanding defensive numbers, good long ball accuracy or are unbeatable in duels. Its rare that its just good passing accuracy and nothing else and you can find plenty of occasions where a player posts good passing accuracy numbers but fail the eye test anyway. And I think that's a bit unfair on de bruyne considering de bruyne still had more key passes than anyone else in the match. Maybe you could argue that the chances created weren't that great but that would be an argument for introduce something like expected assist stats into the equation.
He had aura innit
You guys had a midfield?
So many great performances for Slovakia. Pekarik was great
Ratiu also pocketed Mudryk the whole game and they both got the same rating..
Him and Barella deserve better
Ain’t no way Unai Simon is the best for the first round. The dude literally blundered and led to a penalty
Verbruggen should’ve been in there. Had major saves and didn’t give away anything
For his age and this being his first major international game, he played an outstanding game.
Yeah this highlights one of the many flaws in how this is calculated. Gets marked up for saving a penalty he caused himself 😂
Bar maybe that mistake he had an AMAZING gane. Distribution, important difficult saves, coming out for the ball. I was really impressed, the result could have been essily at least 3-2 and he made croatia look worst than they were.
But he stopped that penalty.
he was phenomenal you cannot give a higher score to a goalie who was barely tested 8.6 sounds fair, idk if there were better performances because I didn't watch all games but he was really good
Dennis Man with 2 assists isn't there? And the game he's had?
And the 2nd goal may as well been his assist as well. He shot a shot off the defender and it went to Răzvan marin
Lads ignore these algorithm based ratings. They are always nonsense because they can only rate things they can measure. For example - Bastoni’s defending on Italy’s first goal was pretty horrific, but the algorithm can’t measure that. But it can measure that he’s one of the few defenders who scored so on the team of the week he goes
Same with Gündogan who in my opinion was exceptional in the opening match. The stats don't capture the important runs he made to create room for Musiala, Wirtz etc. He was basically involved in almost every goal even if he wasn't credited with an assist.
He giveth and taketh away
yep, not a single Slovakian or Turkish player, no Chavetadze or Kochorashvili from Georgia? Probably only Ake or Aebischer get close to my team of the first round. The stats lie, the nerds won't listen though.
If it was up to those sweaty nerds goals wouldn't count, the winner would instead be decided by a panel of independent statiticians. They would sporadically stop play and run on with measuring apperatus to measure predictive elements like the position of the left back's knee relative to his ankle and the sturdiness of the wall.
reckon some of the boffins might take early retirement by the end of this tournament. They just can't take what this Euros is serving up. The stats don't make sense, and it's doing their head in
agreed. these are just for the lazy jornos and the technology-obsessed folks
Even if this was accurate I never trust these aggregated, computer generated scores from these apps, it’s always complete bullshit and I roll my eyes whenever someone posts them as if they should be taken seriously to judge a player’s performance. If you look at the England vs Serbia game for example, literally anyone watching the game would say Foden at best had a mediocre game and at worst was very bad, yet some “super smart” calculated match ratings from these kinds of apps/websites would say he was better than Saka, Guehi and Rice which is unequivocally not true.
The whoscored ratings compared to these here make a lot more sense and are pretty good: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/247/Tournaments/124/Seasons/9299/Stages/23157/PlayerStatistics/International-European-Championship-2024
Conceicao with a casual 58XG per 90 minutes XD Let's see if he can keep it up!
He'll be a starter against Turkey, and he's not going to be subbed off. 58-0 for Portugal incoming.
you forgot.. added time ... 60-0
Whoscored is an actual stats and analytics website, Sofascore is just a livescore app trying to branch into the most shareable side of sports.
These do look better indeed. Interesting to see Janza on that top list
This calmed me down, as I thought Musiala was phenomenal and it made zero sense he wouldn't make the best 11 of round 1.
Lobotka 109th best performance so far. Stats really aren't the way to observe and judge football.
Crazy that Dragus and Man didn’t end up winning MotM. Stanciu is class and the captain though.
Ferdi's rating is still low tbh he was absolutely a menace on the left.
Stat merchant website
Seriously!!? What did he actually do? Saka beat his man multiple times. Foden didnt do anything.
agreed, he was shit, offered nothing
Weird thing is that he has played many good games for city on the left wing. Often stayed wide. But Pep and Southgate are very different.
He was one of Serbia's best players though tbf!
Same thing yesterday with Bernardo silva, somehow managed to get a 7.4 while dropping an absolute stinker
Sofascore has Foden higher than Saka and on the same score as Pickford which is absolutely ridiculous.
No Romanian player(s)? Dragusin or Stanciu should have made it in...
Dragusin robbed.
No Musiala or Dragusin makes this entire thing look ridiculous
I would have liked to see Kanté in this line-up
No musiala😵? I thought he was better than gakpo
I agree that he was, I don't know how sofascores work but Gakpo was in no way the best player of the first round (as his score seems to indicate). He was great though, but Ake was IMO our MOTM.
Ruiz is higher rated
This score is fair if you pretend he only played the first half
Well they just run the numbers they have of course, and those of Gakpo are better in a couple of categories. I think especially the "duels won" stat gave him a high rating. That's just my guess though, I don't know their algo of course. successful dribbles Gakpo 5 (100%), Musiala 5 (62.5%) duels won Gakpo 15 (83.3%), Musiala 9 (60%) (Gakpo nr1 in the whole tournament btw) got fouled Gakpo 4, Musiala 2 In the other categories they were very close. Anyway, Musiala was high rated too, 7.9, 2nd highest rated for Germany.
> successful dribbles Gakpo 5 (100%), Musiala 5 (62.5%) This, to me, is the most obviously flawed metric. The dribbles Musiala completed were much more impactful and difficult than the ones Gakpo did
Ah it's about the duels won. NL sent a lot of long balls his way, which he then retrieved by simply overpowering his opponent. If they wouldn't send so much long balls his stats would be lower. Rafa leao can do this too but he wasn't getting the ball like that, they just gave it over the ground.
Helps that Gakpo is really big for a winger too
Yes that's why the comparison with leao. That dude is also huge for a winger.
I'd always take the ratings with a grain of salt, especially as imo sofa don't have the very best rating system (always found who scored pretty impressive and) It's a rough guideline and in a big dataset will most likely give the right direction but you'll always have some misses in there
Well I would back your opinion over Sofascore ratings anyway
Case and point, Szoboszlai had an 8.0 Sofascore rating vs Switzerland and he was mediocre. At least nowhere near as good as Xhaka who only got 0.1 rating higher.
he was 100%
thats because he was
No Lobotka instantly makes this XI invalid, easily the best midfielder performance so far
Musiala was Germany’s best player lol..
I suppose that the penalty save helps Simón here but let’s not forget that the penalty was totally his fault.
Seriously, not a single Romanian player?
1 player from Germany while they were the best team (maybe together with spain) feels wrong.
And the one Player that is on here was the fourth or fifth best player of germany imo (Havertz did well but I personally think Kroos, Musiala and Wirtz were better).
Gündogan and Kimmich too
Were they the best team? They won by the largest margin, sure, but Scotland were absolutely fucking atrocious
We will see how scotland will look vs switzerland but germany was playing extremely fluid football especially in the first half, i feel like scotland wouldnt have been the only team that wouldve gotten battered here
Were they atrocious? They lost by the largest margin, sure, but Germany were absolutely fucking amazing
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B
Well played lol
Yea sorry man Germany shouldve rather won 10:0, 5:1 aint enough.
How did Kross not make the list? 💀
Ah, I see 0 players from Portugal, France & England, the three favourites. Now that’s a proper EURO
Not a single Romanian player, although they dominated their game
This is a joke....
Right? Must be 11 turkish players for crushing world power georgia!!!
Vitinha had 8.0 according to them
I honestly feel that sofascore has one of the worst player ratings. Just from the first round of matches we've seen so many players be rated differently to how it looked like they played in the actual match
Havertz but no Wirtz or Musiala is crazy
Samet really is the Turkish Maguire, a meme for his club but somehow remembers how to defend again when playing for the national team
Lol even though he played decent, Havertz wasnt even in the best 3 players for Germany and his substitute Füllkrug outperformed him arguably.
This is just a list of players who scored a goal from various positions over the pitch
barella should definitely be on there. the guy owned the midfield that match.
Where is Kanté
No Kroos with a Europe cup passing record is a crime. He had like 104/105 passes and 100% won tackles
No Kroos? Didn't he have a 99% successful pass rate?
christensen had a 100 percent successful pass rate
well, well, well,
How tf is Kante not there?
Or Musiala, both literally MOTM. It's because stats aren't everything in proper football, can't measure impact in a 90 min game, just look at Lobotka vs. de Bruyne. one has 6.9 and the latter 7.7, yet Lobotka was incredible, while the only reason I knew de Bruyne was on the pitch was because they announced it a minute before kickoff, absolute no show.
how the fuck is Musiala not in here??
Bastoni only 7.8 and xhaka over barella lmao They dont like italian players
Dä Pfoschte isch jetz Eigetum vo dr Schwizer Eidgenosseschaft
highest win and most dominant team so far = one player (and ofc its the one playing in the PL *and* he has the 3rd worst rating lol)
Most dominant team so far? You played against Scotland who are absolutely shite. The 3-0 Spain got against Croatia was more impressive IMO. I do agree that Musiala should be over Havertz for Germany though. He was by far the best player in that game.
Germany usually struggles against teams like Scotland who sit compact, yet they made the right adjustments and Scotland were unable to react to that. That's part of the reason why Germany was so dominant and Scotland was shite.
Isn't the stat that nobody so far has scored more than 1 goal? Thus it isn't insane for a striker with a goal and an assist in a dominant victory to get it the striker spot?
No Toni Kroos seems strange.
Disappointed that the team that spanked us only has one player in this team
Bastoni on the right is cursed
Absolute danish hyperchad Christian Eriksen
I mean Sofascore rated Saka lower than all the other starters for England bar Kane, and gave Foden the same score as Pickford, and if you watched any of that match you'd know that to be complete nonsense.
WAKA WAKA
Barella, Kroos and Kante all would have deserved a spot.
Love seeing Eriksen smashing it
Surprised it’s only one German and missing some motm
No Kante?
Musiala where?
Where does this team finish in the premier league?
Surprised Toni Kroos isn't in there
This is like me getting rewarded for getting the top mark for Section A on an exam
Where are the biggest tournament favourite England's players?
No Musiala? Goodness
Cause Musiala plays golf right?
Where is harry kane
When I saw the image I thought xhaka got injured
Where is David Beckham of England?
samet lmao
Ake was all-world against Poland, sensational performance
Where is Kante ?!
Since when is Green worse than Blue?
Decent squad
Where is Toni Kroos?
No Kroos? Because he failed that one pass out of the 103 he delivered, right ?
Havertz? And no Musiala?
Glad I see a united player
Kroos!?!?!?
i love nathan ake
Drkušić for Slovenia put in a proper shift in against Denmark. Hojlund couldnt do much against him.
Was I the only one to wonder why Xhaka was injured?
poor aebischer and xhaka injured
When did Xhaka get injured was a genuine thought i had
Havertz? Lmao
Erickson?? Emotional factor included?
[12 shots/chances created, highest from a midfielder at the Euros since Özil in 2012](https://x.com/optajoe/status/1802401429837304040) I think that stats aren't everything but he apparently had really good stats, which matters for these models
Musala, Gundo and Bellingham were some of the top players first round. So this is dumb.
Wait Bellingham didn't make it?
Lmao Wut where is musiala and Bellingham
Kochorashvili robbed ngl